The iphone is more fiction than reality - Page 3

Lips2000 · 07-13-2007, 12:38 PM

I, for one, am happy to hear a dissenting opinion re: the iPhone. Oric has have every right to express his dis-satisfaction with an iPhone he may or may not own.

To the points:

1. True but I would add a definative "It can be added"

2. False. It will stream a little site called YouTube and a wildly popular format called Quicktime.

3. Semi-False. At this time, the iPhone does not support AD2P (Stereo) but I am able to connect it to my TomTom 510 and play it over my car stereo just fine. The playback controls in my TomTom work just fine to control the iPhone. (Added bonus: all my contacts were able to be uploaded into my TomTom's built in directory; something my Palm 700w was never able to accomplish.)

4. True, but then, why would I want to when I can just point to where I want to edit? Arrow keys seem outdated now.

5. My BT headset (Jabra 150 and Jabra 350) work flawlessly...both ways. Sorry you are having trouble or heard of this trouble.

6. False. I create appointments and add contacts all the time on the iPhone and they "magically" appear in my Outlook. Not sure I need to create groups on the iPhone anyways...that is what I have already done in Outlook. If you waited until the iPhone came out to get organized, that seems to be a personal issue.

7. True and False. A widget, by nature, is informational. What widget do I need to "sync" to? The weather is the weather and the market information is...well, you get the idea. Regarding notes: I understand this will come with Leopard so, unlike some, I have the patience to wait.

8. False. Any battery operated device will expend energy and drain it's charge with use. Seems obvious, doesn't it? My question to you is: If the iPhone sucks so bad, what are you constantly using it for, ergo, draining the battery, during the course of a single day to warrant daily charging? Regarding the non-replacable battery: How do you think that the iPhone got to be so thin? A replaceable battery would require a much fatter case and hardware. Design is an element of the iPhone many people overlook and I would gladly trade an additional $79.00 (perhaps in 2 or 3 years) for the design.

Mark

P.S. - Please forgive any spelling/grammar errors. My hands often do not keep up with my thought process.

joe · 07-13-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kabeyun

To the last 7 posters: argue the point and not the person. If you can't, just leave this thread alone. Flames are not permitted. Thanks. I'll leave this thread open in case of further debate on the OP.

-K

Oops, thought that's what I was doing.

AngelJO008 · 07-13-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by oric

By Christmas, the market will be flooded with iphone look alikes, and they will not come with the same deifcits as the original.

no they'll run windows mobile instead

damstr · 07-13-2007, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by bigviking

If the way you compare one phone to the next is by coming up with a checklist of features, and comparing them, it's easy to convince yourself that many other phones are better than the iPhone.

But, this completely ignores the much more important fact that everything the iPhone does it does so well that it makes the other phones look like a joke. Web browsing, email reading, and basic phone features of the iPhone are all so much better than everything else out there that I don't mind the few things that it can't yet do. This is the first phone that I actually want to browse the web on, and read my email on. So although it doesn't have 3G, it's actually much better than my Nokia e61i that did (at least for me). The truth is that the Nokia felt very CPU limited, so even with 3G the rendering was very slow.

I have had spent time with several iPhone critics, and after a five minute demo every one of them has wanted to ditch their phone and buy an iPhone.

I am confident that I could be just as effective on most people that are holding off from buying it because they are waiting for something like 3G, builtin GPS, or exchange integration.

Well ofcourse after a 5 min demo people would really want one....but that's with almost EVERYTHING.Take cars for example, looking at them or taking them for a test drive they might seem nice but after owning one for a while you start to notice all the problems that you can only experience if you own that car and drive it often. Again this is with almost all things not just the iPhone.Another example is my Palm Treo...using it for the first time for 5 mins was great...ive owned one for a couple months now and hate it. Crashes all the time...My point is is that you can't use your statement of the "5 min demo and everyone wanted one" as an argument because that's with everything.

TrippalHealicks · 07-13-2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Kabeyun

To the last 7 posters (except joe): argue the point and not the person. If you can't, just leave this thread alone. Flames are not permitted. Thanks. I'll leave this thread open in case of further debate on the OP.

-K

Understood.
Editing my post, accordingly.

Hondamaker · 07-13-2007, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by oric

5. Blue tooth head set use to work both ways with my Treo 650, with the iphone, it only works with out going calls not incoming. I have the Plantronics 510. Mantra; It is not a computer

Please explain this. I have the same BT ear piece, and it works with both outgoing and incoming calls.

bigviking · 07-13-2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by damstr

Well ofcourse after a 5 min demo people would really want one....but that's with almost EVERYTHING.Take cars for example, looking at them or taking them for a test drive they might seem nice but after owning one for a while you start to notice all the problems that you can only experience if you own that car and drive it often. Again this is with almost all things not just the iPhone.Another example is my Palm Treo...using it for the first time for 5 mins was great...ive owned one for a couple months now and hate it. Crashes all the time...My point is is that you can't use your statement of the "5 min demo and everyone wanted one" as an argument because that's with everything.

There isn't a single other phone on the market that will make almost everyone with something else want to ditch it after a five minute demo. I have owned the best of the best smartphones, and was never able to impress anyone even 10% as much as I can with this. The web, email, & ipod portion are just so much better than everything else (MS exchange issues aside) that a comparison isn't even sensible.

TrippalHealicks · 07-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by bigviking

There isn't a single other phone on the market that will make almost everyone with something else want to ditch it after a five minute demo. I have owned the best of the best smartphones, and was never able to impress anyone even 10% as much as I can with this. The web, email, & ipod portion are just so much better than everything else (MS exchange issues aside) that a comparison isn't even sensible.

That's because (like I said in another post) your average consumer values aesthetics more than functionality. They'll "oow" and "aah" over all the pretty stuff it does, we're just lucky enough to know (and experience) that it not only looks good while doing it, it does it very well, too.

tharmsen · 07-13-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by bigviking

There isn't a single other phone on the market that will make almost everyone with something else want to ditch it after a five minute demo. I have owned the best of the best smartphones, and was never able to impress anyone even 10% as much as I can with this. The web, email, & ipod portion are just so much better than everything else (MS exchange issues aside) that a comparison isn't even sensible.

That's so true. While I was impressed with my other PDA phones over the years, the vast majority of the people I demo'ed them to weren't all that impressed, certainly not enough to go buy one for themselves. Most people found them to be excessively complex and hard to navigate/use.

The exact opposite has been the case with my iPhone. I've had so many people on the train ask me what I was playing with, and when I showed them they were so wow'ed they were talking about going to investigate buying one for themselves. The people range from being 20-something to 40-something. This phone has BROAD appeal, far more than I thought it would before owning one.

bigviking · 07-13-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by TrippalHealicks

That's because (like I said in another post) your average consumer values aesthetics more than functionality. They'll "oow" and "aah" over all the pretty stuff it does, we're just lucky enough to know (and experience) that it not only looks good while doing it, it does it very well, too.

I agree completely. Because the web and email look "pretty", this is actually the first phone that presents things so nicely that I actually want to browse the web and read my email on it.

Now I'm not the kind of person that will send 30+ emails a day from my iphone. Honestly, I don't even send 30 a month from my laptop. I believe that email is overly used, and is actually a fairly poor form of communication. It's really only good for distributing specific information to a wide audience, it's really not a substitute for good communication. These days it seams that for many of the professionals that I know, basically managing their email has become their job. This is an indicator of a much bigger problem, and smartphones really will never address this issue. However, the iPhone has the best email reader of any device on the market.