If you're in the Mofia the iPhone isn't for you.

[tharmsen]

http://www.break.com/index/are-you-f...kiddin-me.html

The only way to avoid this surveillance is to "remove the battery"... well, we don't have that option. If you're in the Mob can you get a refund?

[webb]

I wonder how true this is? The federal government will only allow stuff on TV it WANTS you to know. The government is more an enemy of the people than a friend. Not that I want to see the US Government over thrown but I think we definitely need to flush the toilet in Washington. Alright, let me stop....get back on post here....I don't believe that they can do it.


FW

[ps49556n]

This is a bunch of crap....I don't believe this for a second.

[tharmsen]

You might want to believe it. I doubt Federal Judges would be ruling on the legality of it if it were BS.

http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

[prmdbr]

......Mafia?

[Velodog2]

wow. The REALLY tricky part is that you can apparently even HAVE a conversation for them to monitor if 'your cell phone is turned off and your not using it'. Or am I missing something here?

[tharmsen]

What it means is that if you have your cell phone powered on sitting in your pocket but not talking on it, the FBI can locate your phone and remotely send a command to turn the mic on so they can hear what's going on around the cell phone. If you're cell phone is turned on, it's on the cell providers network broadcasting it's location non-stop. Apparently this gives the FBI the ability to communicate with your phone and send it commands. I doubt this works for all cell phones out there to be honest, probably only a select few... but they won't tell us that. But I'm only guessing, perhaps any cell phone is open to this sort of federal hacking.

Oh, and as far as it being turned off but still working, that's amazing if true.

[tharmsen]

Originally Posted by prmdbr

......Mafia?

I know, there is no such thing as the Mafia.

[Norwest]

Just as an FYI ... from a 27+ year telco employee...

The government and private interests have been doing this since years ago with the old AT&T home telephones. I suppose they changed the method since most home phones are electronic now. I suppose they can still do it on some phones.

I had a sales guy demonstrate it for me at The Spy Shop.

Make a call, person answers, you say nothing (or play wrong number), when they hang the phone up the microphone stays live. Not sure how they did it, sent a signal to the phone. The device that made this possible sold for $800 and was a big seller to private investigators, bail bonds people, etc.

This was around 1985.

He says bail enforcement agents would call a home asking about a bail jumper, have a conversation with a relative and then listen to what they said after they thought the phone was hung up. Often they would mention where the person was hiding.

Scary huh?

P.S. http://www.2p-spyphone.com/F-A-Q.asp

[JeffBobula]

Originally Posted by tharmsen

I know, there is no such thing as the Mafia.

He questioned it because you spelled the title of this thread "Mofia".