Tethering now possible.

[Tinman]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

My understanding is that ATT can tell if you are using your phone as a tethered device. This has been discussed on many other forums for other ATT data phones.

Also, use of any ATT phone as a tethered device absolutely is prohibited by the terms of service. Of course if you have hacked the iphone, then you most likely do care about the ATT terms of service.

AT&T can't tell when using the technique discussed in this thread. The iPhone is merely acting as a proxy and all requests will come from the iPhone.

And for that matter the iPhone is nothing like other AT&T phones.


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Mike

[yuxel]

Ok I have found the problem.. the problem is Edge is not activated through proxy..
You have to activate it safari or smth else in the iphone..
if it stays idle it disconnects immediately
I have opened meebo for msn and everytime edge usage, works fine with firefox now..
even though you have to refresh blank answers again

[IphoneTony]

this is just to complicated for me

[ZipZap]

I am told they know by your surfing habits, and the flow of data (volume).

So unless you work for AT&T and know for sure that they can't tell, I would be wary of tethering. You may find that they cut you off or send you a bill.

Tethering for all devices on the AT&T network except blackberry is forbidden by the terms of service.

If you do, however, find out definitively they cannot tell...please share that information.

Also, why would you want to tether on Edge. 3G, I understand, but edge is barely tolerable on the iphone. On a laptop with a normal browser....it going to suck big time.

[acosmichippo]

not as much as dialup... or nothing.

anyway, i haven't heard any stories so far of ATT detecting tethering on the iphone.

[Tinman]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

I am told they know by your surfing habits, and the flow of data (volume).

So unless you work for AT&T and know for sure that they can't tell, I would be wary of tethering. You may find that they cut you off or send you a bill.

Tethering for all devices on the AT&T network except blackberry is forbidden by the terms of service.

If you do, however, find out definitively they cannot tell...please share that information.

You made the assertion; it's up to you to prove it. If you trying to convince me, however, don't waste your time.

Suffice to say what matters is how much data you consume--EDGE isn't fast enough to rack up enough usage to draw attention. And the iPhone isn't a dumb phone that suddenly is capable of high data use due to tethering: on its own the iPhone can max out EDGE's bandwidth.


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Mike

[ZipZap]

We both made assertions that neither can prove since neither of us work for ATT. My information came from the forums on ATT where a number of people have posted that they were hassled by ATT.

Regardless, I am 100% sure that tethering is a violation of the TOS.

Regardless, the current generation iphone is a useless tethering device.

[Tinman]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

We both made assertions that neither can prove since neither of us work for ATT. My information came from the forums on ATT where a number of people have posted that they were hassled by ATT.

Regardless, I am 100% sure that tethering is a violation of the TOS.

Regardless, the current generation iphone is a useless tethering device.

<sigh> The reports you read were not iPhones, and the users were most likely abusing it.

And as pointed out already tethering is far from useless when the only other alternative is no connection at all.



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Mike

[ZipZap]

The phone type does not matter. ATT can monitor usage across their entire network.

I am sure the monitoring is automated to look for thresholds...

Here are the ATT terms of service for the iphone:

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp

and the exclusions (your unlimited data plan is not so unlimited with ATT):

PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S CONTENT STANDARDS, UNLIMITED PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF VIDEO CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED PLANS (EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER

[acosmichippo]

i don't think anyone is disputing it's against the TOS... nor that they monitor your data usage. The question is if they can prove you're using the iphone as a tethered device, which i don't think is possible.