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Swagger · 08-02-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kunfuzious

1. I don't.

2. This statement is ignorant. If you have some proof or data that validates this please share. Otherwise let's not pass liberal bias off as fact.

3. They are human beings, yes. But they are also a drain on the economy and the United States resources. If they want to apply for citizenship, and pay taxes like the rest of us, then I certainly welcome them to. But until that happens illegal aliens should be deported and we need to secure border. Immediately.

As far as ETF's, this would be great news, however I don;t see this ruling standing.

Unless you are a Native Indian, you are an illegal alien. Should you be deported??? Also, the people coming across the border may just be doing so to reclaim their land, that the United States stole from them long ago. That is not liberal bias, that is fact!!! Mark

kunfuzious · 08-02-2008, 06:48 PM

Modern society (the last 500 years included) says I'm an American. My family came to the US via Ellis Island and became citizens. They didn't sneak in and steal, which is more than I can say for the illegal immigrants in this country. They cost the state of California alone over 9 billion a year, and don't contribute. They strain health care, and education. They are thieves.

I'll leave the bleeding heart liberal rhetoric for the rest of you. This post jumped off topic (and I'm guilty of contributing to it). I'll be leaving it now.

SmartAlx · 08-02-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Swagger

Unless you are a Native Indian, you are an illegal alien. Should you be deported??? Also, the people coming across the border may just be doing so to reclaim their land, that the United States stole from them long ago. That is not liberal bias, that is fact!!! Mark

You can pretty much say the same thing about every nation in the world. Every country is inhabited by someone who hundreds or thousands of years ago invaded the country. Native Americans lost the war when we invaded their land. When you lose a war, well, you lose what you are fighting for.

Those people coming to America from Mexico and elsewhere are not descendents of native Americans. They have even less right to be here. Their ancestors didn't fight a war for this land. Ours did.

Swagger · 08-02-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kunfuzious

Modern society (the last 500 years included) says I'm an American. My family came to the US via Ellis Island and became citizens. They didn't sneak in and steal, which is more than I can say for the illegal immigrants in this country. They cost the state of California alone over 9 billion a year, and don't contribute. They strain health care, and education. They are thieves.

I'll leave the bleeding heart liberal rhetoric for the rest of you. This post jumped off topic (and I'm guilty of contributing to it). I'll be leaving it now.

Ok then you go out there and pick the produce that you hopefully eat everyday. Or don't cry if lettuce is 15.00$ a head, being picked by American labor. You are getting angry at the wrong people. The illegals are just caught in the middle. If there was no market for their labor in this country, they wouldn't be here. I am sure you are intelligent enough to understand that. Also, on my many trips to California. I never saw any "American's" bent over in the blazing hot sun, for very little pay, picking crops. If you are not prepared to go do that, then stop crying about it.

You speak of liberals being the problem, yet it is the rich conservative corporation's exploitation of cheap labor, that causes the whole illegal immigrant problem. Mark

SmartAlx · 08-02-2008, 07:19 PM

Wow, so a country with an economic system so screwed up that can't afford to support itself with its own labor force makes it okay to import/export cheap labor? This $15 a head of lettuce is not a valid argument. We should be able to support our own people. If we can't, then that tells you something is seriously wrong with the system. (Thank you Federal Reserve. - You are supposed to protect us from inflation, not create it.) Employing illegals for a fraction of what an American would receive only reinforces the damage to the economic structure of America and gets it even more out of whack. As inflation increases, every industry should increase in proportion. If one doesn't keep up (say because of illegal work) then that throws the whole system out of whack.

Swagger · 08-02-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Wow, so a country with an economic system so screwed up that can't afford to support itself with its own labor force makes it okay to import/export cheap labor? This $15 a head of lettuce is not a valid argument. We should be able to support our own people. If we can't, then that tells you something is seriously wrong with the system. (Thank you Federal Reserve. - You are supposed to protect us from inflation, not create it.) Employing illegals for a fraction of what an American would receive only reinforces the damage to the economic structure of America and gets it even more out of whack. As inflation increases, every industry should increase in proportion. If one doesn't keep up (say because of illegal work) then that throws the whole system out of whack.

I agree with the basis of what you are saying. I just differ in this way. I still do not see Americans, lining up to stand in the blazing hot sun many hours a day, bent over, to pick produce.

It's almost like the whole drug use problem. Everyone in the U.S. blames the countries shipping the drugs here. They are not the problem though. Those countries are just supplying a demand. Get your own house in order, stop the use of drugs in the U.S., and drug smuggling will cease. We as American's are always willing to place blame on others (countries & people). Yet we never stop to say, maybe it is us that are to blame...Mark

SmartAlx · 08-02-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Swagger

I agree with the basis of what you are saying. I just differ in this way. I still do not see Americans, lining up to stand in the blazing hot sun many hours a day, bent over, to pick produce.

Pay them proper and they will.

Swagger · 08-02-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Pay them proper and they will.

Based on your response, the problem lies with the employer and not the employee. Exactly what I have been trying to say. Don't shoot the messenger (if you will)...Mark

Also, I seriously believe that farmers would still be hard pressed, to find a steady work force of Americans willing to do that type of work...Mark

dturner · 08-02-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Swagger

Also, I seriously believe that farmers would still be hard pressed, to find a steady work force of Americans willing to do that type of work...Mark

What about the people in our prison system? It cost the tax payer tons of money to house these scum bags and this would be away to get rid of an illegal problem and fill a void in the work force.

BTW: WTF does all this have to do with ETF?

SmartAlx · 08-02-2008, 07:59 PM

Well, the employer can't exactly afford to pay them properly because the system got so out of whack. The problem is the system, not the employer.

Legal immigrants have always been willing to do work that 2nd or 3rd generation Americans weren't willing to do. I know a lot of legal Mexican immigrants here and they did (and some still do) work that your average American wouldn't want to do.

EDIT: Prisoners. Good idea. I like it.

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