Will Pre manhandle Iphone - Page 3

energie · 05-28-2009, 11:27 PM

What really shines about the Pre is the new OS imo. I just hope it doesn't end up being as "underdeveloped" as android. Blackberry, symbian and winmo are all ancient so new OSes are always welcomed. Right now it's absolutely pointless to get a new BB unless they make some serious changes to the OS, or just introduce a new platform altogether. I feel bad for the people that bought the Storm... With their OS updates being as incremental as they are, the thoughts of having a laggy, limited OS (but with touch added) put me off from the get-go,. The thoughts of having a capable, snappy OS (similar to the iPhone), with a slide-out turns me on. I'm not an Apple hater but would love for a viable alternative for once. Don't get me wrong, BB does what it's meant to do (extremely well), but for once I'd like to get a smartphone that can do it ALL. aggieman hit the nail on the head when he said the Pre is like a crossover between the BB and iPhone. If it brings those two worlds together, I can see it being a hit but don't see it beating Apple... simply due to loyal Apple customers.

iphun · 05-28-2009, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Londonrockz568

I look at the Pre articles and buzz about it and wonder if the media is just doing another repeat of touting yet another device as the iPhone killer yet again.

Everyone will say its the iphone killer just like they all did with the blackberry Storm, the Samsung instinct and various other iPhone "rival" phones. But once the new toy hype died down, many started waiting for the next killer. I dont see it as great competition i see it as a last ditch effort for Sprint to do something major so that the company along with a few mobile phone makers (palm esp) dont fall into obscurity.

Sorry for my lame metaphor but Apple has pretty much forced every smartphone maker to either match or attempt to raise the chips or fold out.

The phone looks great, and the specs are strong, but i dont see it manhandling the iPhone anytime soon.

I have a friend who is getting the Pre, he's upgrading from his instinct lets see if he will like the pre or come on over to the iphone. He does have an iTouch 2gen so if he likes that then the iphone isnt much different.

Definitely agree! Like every major touch screen that will ever come out will be challenged as the iphone killer, so far we've seen many attempts but failures in killing. It takes two things that MUST be perfect, hardware and software. If those two things aren't perfect then you fail. Apple has the two and we will see how the Pre does on them. It looks like the Pre has the software, but I'm not sure about the harware, like I said we will see. But you can't forget apple came out with their first phone and it was a success, Palm, blackberry, etc. have been around and know the phone business and imo still have trouble being as good. It doesn't matter how many touch screen phones we see they will always be compared to the iphone which is good for us because that means we have the best one. You just can't kill the iphone that easy, it has many users who love it and can't just give it up that easily and apple has the money to compete IF need be. It's not only Sprint's last ditch effort, it's also Palms, so they better have made this phone work this time around because they don't have a lot of room to fail and recover from it.

kevlar08 · 05-29-2009, 11:21 AM

i think the pre could possible have been the iphone killer, but they are a generation late. Apple has a new firware rolling out as well as a next generation iphone that we still dont know all the details on. in my opinion the next gen iphone will out match the pre.

also while we are having this discusion how do you guys think itunes on the pre will work out? is it something apple will block down the road?

iphun · 05-29-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by kevlar08

i think the pre could possible have been the iphone killer, but they are a generation late. Apple has a new firware rolling out as well as a next generation iphone that we still dont know all the details on. in my opinion the next gen iphone will out match the pre.

also while we are having this discusion how do you guys think itunes on the pre will work out? is it something apple will block down the road?

I brought the whole itunes thing up in the nextgen thread, but I think they need to release a patch to purposely block any palm product from accessing itunes. That's just shows they know that's the worst part about their phone is going to be the whole part of syncing music and they better not find a way to allow itunes apps to run on their phone, but that would have to infringe on some law. I doubt apple will let this go very far, so palm shouldn't have even told people it could do that cause they'll look stupid when apple fixes it and people wonder why it doesn't work.

kevlar08 · 05-29-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by iphun

I brought the whole itunes thing up in the nextgen thread, but I think they need to release a patch to purposely block any palm product from accessing itunes. That's just shows they know that's the worst part about their phone is going to be the whole part of syncing music and they better not find a way to allow itunes apps to run on their phone, but that would have to infringe on some law. I doubt apple will let this go very far, so palm shouldn't have even told people it could do that cause they'll look stupid when apple fixes it and people wonder why it doesn't work.

i agree, there should not a competing phone relying on the software of its competition. Apple will find a way to block this.

patrickj · 05-29-2009, 03:17 PM

BGR has the first full review of the Pre up - HERE.

It's mostly good, but not a rave review by any means ...

iphun · 05-29-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by patrickj

BGR has the first full review of the Pre up - HERE.

It's mostly good, but not a rave review by any means ...

I don't think it will be all it is hyped up to be, but that doesn't mean it will be a terrible phone. I think I'll stick with my iphone

Londonrockz568 · 06-02-2009, 06:25 AM

lol, Apple is going to patch iTunes so that it only supports an Apple product. Apple is NOT about to let some other company especially a "competition mobile phone maker" to piggyback with deep or very indepth iTunes support similar to how the iPhone/iTouch uses iTunes. If anything the Pre will have very limited and basic music support from iTunes and knowing Apple, even that may come at a price to Palm users.

Maybe something along the lines of connect the phone, and you can only use iTunes to put a playlist of music onto the Pre. (as i said above, this will be based on how Apple is going to deal with Palms "freeloading" and marketing ploy of full iTunes support about this issue).

Londonrockz568 · 06-02-2009, 06:34 AM

BTW!! As ive just noticed. Who ever the marketing and development people are for other cell phone companies, i want to know why they always try to Release "a killer" or something major for them in the wake of Apple having a major change to the iPhone.

Palm wasnt very smart in trying to best Apple by releasing their newest device a few days before the WWDC when they know that MANY Apple product users are going to wait for the WWDC news before they even think of buying the Pre... that is if they even want to stop using their current iPhone to begin with.

Apple = Toyota. Advancements, efficiency in a pretty nice package. (or even better) Porsche. Engineering and advancement thru simplicity.

Palm = Ford. Trying to come up with advancements and hybrids when Toyota has already sold millions.

iphun · 06-02-2009, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Londonrockz568

lol, Apple is going to patch iTunes so that it only supports an Apple product. Apple is NOT about to let some other company especially a "competition mobile phone maker" to piggyback with deep or very indepth iTunes support similar to how the iPhone/iTouch uses iTunes. If anything the Pre will have very limited and basic music support from iTunes and knowing Apple, even that may come at a price to Palm users.

Maybe something along the lines of connect the phone, and you can only use iTunes to put a playlist of music onto the Pre. (as i said above, this will be based on how Apple is going to deal with Palms "freeloading" and marketing ploy of full iTunes support about this issue).

Apple just released the official iTunes 8.2, so I am curious if that patched whatever loophole Palm was using. I could see if they partnered up with Apple to make the syncing experience easy, but they didn't they are faking their way into using iTunes which was low for them especially to publicize it thinking Apple won't do anything about it. Palm needs to play things careful because if Apple took them to court they probably don't have the money to put up a good fight. I could see iTunes being able to recognize the Pre and charge a monthly usage fee just to be able to connect and transfer between iTunes and the Pre which would either make Apple more money or deter Pre users from wanting to do this.