Camera

[gricci1976]

Can The Camera become a video recorder? If so How do you use it as a camera recorder....

Thank you,

John

[skinsgamer]

no sorry

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[lilnef]

Can The Camera become a video recorder? If so How do you use it as a camera recorder....

Thank you,

John
no. sorry to inform you but the iphone doesnt have a video recorder:frown:. Many people are hoping for this in a future update but no one is sure if it will come.

[Stoldit]

Not currently, but it is video capable, so it will most likely come in a future update.


Will we have to buy new phones?Or it will be an update?

[lilnef]

Will we have to buy new phones?Or it will be an update?

if we recieve it, it would be in an update

[skinsgamer]

how do you know its video capable?

[ps49556n]

Not currently, but it is video capable, so it will most likely come in a future update.


Are you referring to that hacker who claimed he could do video chats?? I don't buy that garbage one bit, where is the video of it in action.

[HDS]

Its video capable, my old V3 Razor didnt have video but I updated it using mototools and bam video. Just need an update to get it working.

[Tinman]

Are you referring to that hacker who claimed he could do video chats?? I don't buy that garbage one bit, where is the video of it in action.
Nice unwarranted slam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iew4rXsorTw

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Mike

[The Apple]

While watching that video it did not look to me as if this was video. It looked more like pictures refreshed every 4 seconds.

[ilLegalBeagle]

Well, technically, video displays are merely pictures refreshed at some rate of screens per second. Most films are 24 frames per second. Traditional animations (cartoons) like Tom & Jerry are often shot at single-digit drawings per second, and filmed at 24 or 30 frames per second.

All that said, the fact that the developers of the recent video-conferencing app reduced the frame rate to one picture every two to four seconds is not the issue. Most video cameras are merely taking lots of pictures per second. So, the main question becomes whether the iPhone camera is capable of high framerates (e.g., 30 frames per second seems to be the standard for most video).

So, not to be too picky, but the developers of the app may have been worried about a low-speed frame rate to show "proof of concept" without spending days or weeks on fine-tuning the framerate of the camera in the iPhone. I suspect that kind of development (fine-tuning) would take some considerable time by non-Apple types in order to feel out the hardware and data bus limitations of the iPhone camera and its supporting circuits.

Just my two cents...


ilLegalBeagle

[Alexander]

Well, technically, video displays are merely pictures refreshed at some rate of screens per second. Most films are 24 frames per second. Traditional animations (cartoons) like Tom & Jerry are often shot at single-digit drawings per second, and filmed at 24 or 30 frames per second.

All that said, the fact that the developers of the recent video-conferencing app reduced the frame rate to one picture every two to four seconds is not the issue. Most video cameras are merely taking lots of pictures per second. So, the main question becomes whether the iPhone camera is capable of high framerates (e.g., 30 frames per second seems to be the standard for most video).

So, not to be too picky, but the developers of the app may have been worried about a low-speed frame rate to show "proof of concept" without spending days or weeks on fine-tuning the framerate of the camera in the iPhone. I suspect that kind of development (fine-tuning) would take some considerable time by non-Apple types in order to feel out the hardware and data bus limitations of the iPhone camera and its supporting circuits.

Just my two cents...


ilLegalBeagle

That definitely sounds plausible.

[Norwest]

Most budget cameras / phones / video cameras function at 15 fps which is pretty much the minimum for halfway decent video if you don't have lots of fast motion. Don't count on 24 or 30fps with the iPhone or any budget digital camera with video recording.

Honestly, I seriously doubt if the iPhone will currently do 15 fps although I assume a software update can make that happen. Why do I say I doubt it?

Well... if you own a digital camera try this... I'm using a Casio Exilim that does 15 fps... hold the camera and the iPhone in camera mode up side by side and move from side to side.

1. The cameras viewfinder should not be very jerky at all. You will see a little latency as you move it around compared to a real video camera but not too much.

2. Do the same with the iPhone and notice how moderate movement makes the picture in the viewfinder very jerky... it's very slow updating like most phones I've seen are in that regard.

It could very well be that the hardware has better capability than is currently being used, dunno. If not, videos will certainly suck butt... if they decide to add that feature that is. My guess is they won't add it in this model... I hope I'm wrong.

[ilLegalBeagle]

Very good point, Norwest...

One thing I did notice about the video of the new developer app is that the screenshots the iPhone DID take didn't seem to be blurry. When I try to take a photo of my daughter, who is notorious for being unable to stand still (she's only one year old), I get one clear shot out of four blurry photos. The movement throws everything off.

Now, fast forward to the video clip of the developers in the coffee shop. When one of the guys gets up and moves around to show the other iPhone and then moves back to his own chair, it does not appear that the snapshots are blurry from the movement. This is encouraging. If the blurry quality of the iPhone's camera is primarily due to software, then they may have found a way around that limitation by engaging the camera through a different API. If that is in fact the case, then they have bypassed Apple's blurry software and demonstrated that the camera is better quality than the current Apple software lets on.

Of course, this is all pure speculation. The better quality photos in the videoconferencing clip may be the result of high light content in the area where they filmed. More light=better pics with the iPhone.

ilLegalBeagle

[Tinman]

While watching that video it did not look to me as if this was video. It looked more like pictures refreshed every 4 seconds.
Keep in mind that was mostly just a proof-of-concept. They had to capture video and stream it out, all while receiving another stream inbound. Pretty cool.

In addition, you can't judge the speed of the camera based on 1600x1200 images. Most still cameras capture video at greatly reduced resolution. I don't know for sure if the iPhone is capable of using a lower res for video, but based on the info I dug up it seems plausible.

According to this page (http://www.iphonedope.com/index.php/Tech_specs) the iPhone's camera is:
Camera: CMOS Image Sensor Micron PN MT9D112D00STC (Code name K15a or MI-SOC2020)
* Resolution: 1,600 x 1,200 pixels
* Sensor type: CMOS
* Sensor Size: 1/4"
* Pixel Size: 2.2µm x 2.2µm
* 1,920,000 pixels (2 MegaPixels)
* Frame rate: 15-30 Frames Per Second


If that site is correct about the camera, the manufacturer (http://www.micron.com/products/partdetail?part=MT9D112D00STC)states this about it:
Specifications
Part Type: Die/Wafer
Resolution: 1,600H x 1,200V
Part Status: Production
RoHS: Yes
Product Type: SOC
Pixel Size: 2.2µm x 2.2µm
Mega Pixel: 2Mpixel
Optical Format: 1/4 inch
Frame Rate: 15-30 fps
Master Clock: 27 MHz
Supply Voltage: 2.8V
Output: 10-bit
Shutter: ERS
Package: Die
Chroma: RGB


Since this appears to be a camera-on-a-chip it seems the iPhone should be able to do 15-30 fps (not at 1600x1200 res, I would assume).


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Mike