Better than any other phone? [Archive]

redgaz26

05-24-2007, 05:10 PM

wubagel

05-24-2007, 05:20 PM

BoxKrait

05-24-2007, 05:21 PM

The thing that separates the iPhone from the rest of the mobile phone network is its UI.

There are a lot of phones out there that already do everything the iPhone does, and more, except for the UI.

You honestly cannot beat it at this point.

archer6

05-24-2007, 05:24 PM

While I cannot wait for the iphone to come out, I've been looking around at some of the new mobiles just released. Some of them look fantastic and have basically everything the iphone has got in terms of features ie. mp3 player, proper internet, video playback.
Is the iphone really going to be better than these new phones made by companies that's been doing this for years.
Don't get me wrong I aint buying any of them, I cannot wait to get my iphone(for christmas i hope) but I hope it's worth the wait.

You've brought up a very good question. There is no way any of us will know how the iPhone performs until it is being sold in it's final configuration.

I am a big advocate of Apple and their products. However that said, I'm taking a wait and see approach. As you so accurately mentioned, the other companies have been doing this for years, have proven products and track records to back it up.

Apple on the other hand is completely new to a very competitive industry. An industry populated by massive companies like Samsung which have the experience, resources, and a huge number of experienced engineers that can respond with new models in a very short time frame.

Since Apple has "married" itself to AT&T for five long years, that gives the competition a real advantage.

I certainly would love to see Apple succeed and produce a high quality, reliable device. But there is much more involved than meets the eye. This is a very complex and challenging endeavor.

Only time will tell.

Cheers...:smile:

wjp09

05-24-2007, 05:25 PM

In years to come technology will greatly increase as it has thus far. At the moment I believe the Apple iphone to be the best phone out there.

joe

05-24-2007, 05:27 PM

While the others may offer a similar list of features to the iPhone, what they don't have is an iPod merged with their phone and mobile internet. They don't have the UI or powerful simplicity. They don't have visual voicemail. They don't have Safari and Mail. And they don't have all of these converged together the way iPhone has done it. Those are just some of the things that set the iPhone apart and ahead of the others.

redgaz26

05-24-2007, 05:32 PM

In years to come technology will greatly increase as it has thus far. At the moment I believe the Apple iphone to be the best phone out there.

The way I see everyone(including myself) are going on a 1 hour demo by Steve Jobs who has put us all in an itrance lol!!!!!

And I'll be in mine for a while yet!

"They don't have Safari"

Most people who do not have a mac will have never heard of safari!
They will think it's a new browser made up for the iphone!

redgaz26

05-24-2007, 05:39 PM

I'm guessing the most unique aspect of the iphone is the touchscreen. I'd be surpised to see any other phones with a similar system coming out anytime soon.

What other phones were you looking at by the way?

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/index.cfm?go=paymonthly.productdetails&pid=446

£90 and then the contract, how much for the iphone?

wjp09

05-24-2007, 05:43 PM

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/index.cfm?go=paymonthly.productdetails&pid=446

£90 and then the contract, how much for the iphone?

Sorry my friend that phone looks pretty ugly and worthless compared to the iphone that is.

redgaz26

05-24-2007, 05:49 PM

Sorry my friend that phone looks pretty ugly and worthless compared to the iphone that is.

that's not the best example I couldn't find the other links. i'm not saying there better i'm pointing out there's a hell of a lot of phones about and apple will have to work hard to shift there goal of 1 million units(is that right?) in 18 months.
but hey don't take this the wrong way, I'll be first in the line:2cool:

wjp09

05-24-2007, 05:52 PM

I thought the goal was 10 million?

archer6

05-24-2007, 05:54 PM

What I find _Incredibly Amusing_ is how gullible, or irrational, normal people become when discussing the Apple iPhone.

Now before you get your flame thrower out, please hear me out. (and again, I am a loyal Apple customer of 10 years, and tens of thousands of dollars invested in their products). I am just as excited and optimistic as any Apple enthusiast, such as myself can be.

However.......

Just how can someone "rate the iPhone experience" when they haven't even held one, or used one?

Let's set aside the iPhone for a moment, and change the headline to read:

"90 Percent of Automobile Owners Rate Ferrari SUV Experience Superior. The Ferrari SUV clearly represents a breakthrough in terms of user experience".

Does this not sound rather ridiculous?

Since when do we "rate products that we have not seen in person, or as of this date are not available to try?"

This is rather silly don't you think?

However I will give it up for Steve Jobs, as he is a much better Ring Master than a Barnum & Bailey elephant trainer.

I have included an excerpt from our home page below:
90 Percent of Handset Owners Rate Apple iPhone Experience Superior (http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/../news/iphone-hardware/90-percent-of-handset-owners-rate-apple-iphone-experience-superior-20070524153/)

"While the iPhone "Wow" factor is impressive, our user panel indicated that challenges in pricing and positioning may act as a barrier to mass-market success," said Kevin Nolan, Director of User Experience Research at Strategy Analytics. "Nonetheless, the iPhone clearly represents a breakthrough in terms of user experience."

iphonenut

05-24-2007, 06:19 PM

i have a couple thoughts on this issue....

1. there is a reason the entire INDUSTRY is scrambling and preparing for the release of this phone. the experts (not just eager fans like us) know that this thing is going to make waves...for better or for worse. no other product from "giants" like samsung and LG and motorolla have been able to do that. motorolla revealed their media monster and all you heard were crickets.

2. i was watching this review of the Nokia N95 on youtube the other (it's probably the closest thing to an iphone killer) and i couldn't help but sit back and chuckle at the number of times this guy pressed buttons and slid the phone to and fro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAdE8Wg2ls&mode=related&search=

you can add all the features in the world but if it's not easy to use then what's the point?? if you watch the video, watch the guy click around the map...on the iphone all it takes is a double tap or a pinch and you're there. i honestly think people are going to look back on the iphone as the device that changed it all. everything on the phone is at your disposal at the touch of a finger. you don't need to click 80 times to find the song you want, or go through countless menus to find your bookmarks. it's SIMPLE. therein lies the value.

redgaz26

05-24-2007, 06:20 PM

I thought the goal was 10 million?

you are right!!!!!!!!!

How many iPhones does Apple expect to sell each year?
The ”each year” number is not public, but is expected to grow. Steve Jobs said that Apple’s iPhone target is about 1-percent market share by the end of the first calendar year of sales; the end of 2008.
That number is believed to be about 10-million iPhones over an 18 month period from launch to the end of 2008. We expect additional models, lower prices, and a rapid evolution that exceeds the original iPod’s development.

joe

05-24-2007, 06:31 PM

... gullible ... irrational ... ridiculous ... silly ...

Count me in! Like many here, I am willing to plunk down a good chunk of change on a product no one has even used yet.

wot_fan

05-24-2007, 08:12 PM

I really don't think you can compare phones by their feature list alone. IMO that is equivalent to comparing cameras just by the number of megapixels they have. As we all know, there are 2MP cameras that take better pictures than some 3MP cameras.

It is true that most of the features that the iPhone has are available in other phones. It is also true that many phones implement these features so poorly they are basically useless. If we believe what we saw in the Keynote and what has been written by the few people lucky enough to get hands-on time with an iPhone, Apple has not only made these features usable but has made them very intuitive and visually pleasing.

There are features that the iPhone has the others do not as well. Visual voicemail and Multi-Touch are probably the most talked about. I think an equally important feature is OS X. With OS X at the core of the iPhone, Apple has the potential to expand the iPhone's capabilities to levels that current phones can't hope to match. The last unique feature I would like to mention is the iPhone's link to iTunes. This will not only make managing what is on the iPhone easy for millions already familiar with it, it creates an upgrade method for firmware and programs that is far superior to any cell phone (at least the ones I have owned). IMO, this feature doesn't get as much attention as it should. What good does releasing a new version of firmware or updated software for a phone if it never reaches the end user?

I'll end my rant by saying that if the iPhone performs as well as we have been lead to believe, it is worth every penny.

ColsTiger

05-26-2007, 08:03 PM

archer6

05-29-2007, 12:18 PM

Count me in! Like many here, I am willing to plunk down a good chunk of change on a product no one has even used yet.

Three Cheers for your candid response!

And good luck to you, may you get a trouble free version....:laugh2:

archer6

05-29-2007, 12:50 PM

The only Apple products I've ever purchased are two iPod Nanos and one iPod Shuffle. I've also purchased two Motorola products that use iTunes software. I try to consider myself pretty open minded, but if the iPhone is as good as it looked in the Keynote address, then I'm thinking it's the nicest cell phone ever made.

I agree with you. I know several of the engineers very close to this project, whom I spoke to over the weekend. And apparently most of the really big problems they were dealing with have been sorted out over the last week. So now suddenly it appears that the version 1.0 is going to be much better than insiders originally expected. And it's not that they did not think it could be done, it was just a matter of them feeling squeezed for time. So the good news is the picture has truly changed for the better.

So much so that I now feel comfortable with purchasing ver 1.0 and will be doing so upon release. My corp. rep that supplies my company which hundreds of phones said that I can count on getting it on day one. In addition, I'm hearing a bit about proposed data & text bundles which will promo as an incentive to buyers. So, with the thought of 1400 minutes with unlimited data & text for just under $60 per mo. I cannot pass that up.

joe

05-29-2007, 01:17 PM

I agree with you. I know several of the engineers very close to this project, whom I spoke to over the weekend. And apparently most of the really big problems they were dealing with have been sorted out over the last week. So now suddenly it appears that the version 1.0 is going to be much better than insiders originally expected. And it's not that they did not think it could be done, it was just a matter of them feeling squeezed for time. So the good news is the picture has truly changed for the better.

So much so that I now feel comfortable with purchasing ver 1.0 and will be doing so upon release. My corp. rep that supplies my company which hundreds of phones said that I can count on getting it on day one. In addition, I'm hearing a bit about proposed data & text bundles which will promo as an incentive to buyers. So, with the thought of 1400 minutes with unlimited data & text for just under $60 per mo. I cannot pass that up.

Toldja it was going to be good. :wink: Some folks have mentioned $60/mo as too high but for unlimited data and text that seems reasonable to me. I expect to use it constantly.

ColsTiger

05-29-2007, 02:40 PM

Toldja it was going to be good. :wink: Some folks have mentioned $60/mo as too high but for unlimited data and text that seems reasonable to me. I expect to use it constantly.

I think he's saying $60/month for the total cost of the 1400 minutes plus unlimited data and text. That would be a pretty sweet deal on just 1400 minutes alone.

My service will be part of a Family Plan though, so I'm interested in the costs from a slightly different perspective. It sounds like At&t might be trying to change the plans to get away from the free night and weekends and no roaming charges. I guess we'll know soon enough.

CybertiggerNW

05-31-2007, 02:48 PM

There are those that will rush right out and purchase the phone, use it and find all of the functionality issues when faced with their real life usage. Others will wait until the bugs are worked out, features are added and the supply/demand has leveled out. It all comes down to research... what features are a must for how you use your phone and which ones can you live without. Cost, functionality and ease of use are all factors to consider. I personally will wait a bit, let the dust settle and watch the ACTUAL real life users write reviews. First one out is never the best version since technology changes so fast. Seems like a great product even without the hype!

jtlax3

05-31-2007, 03:20 PM

Just under $60 a month?! How is that possible to pay that little and get 1400 minutes AND unlimited data? I am with Verizon currently and pay about $55 a month for 400 anytime minutes, and 250text/pic message. If just under $60/month is true then I will be there in a heartbeat. Granted I will probably be switching to AT&T to get the iPhone anyway... :)

reptilexcq

06-05-2007, 03:53 AM

Not better than Nokia N95 ...NO! N95 has better video cam w/ 5.0MP and GPS

timschizzle

06-05-2007, 04:00 AM

Not better than Nokia N95 ...NO! N95 has better video cam w/ 5.0MP and GPS

if you want 5.0 M.P. ask cannon to make a phone. your buying a cell phone not a video recorder.

joe

06-05-2007, 04:52 AM

Not better than Nokia N95 ...NO! N95 has better video cam w/ 5.0MP and GPS

Not quite sure how that makes it better. Does it have a better phone, music player, and internet experience? Those would be more valid issues to compare. You may also want to check out the megapixel thread (http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/when-2-megapixels-is-better-than-5-a-830.html).

reptilexcq

06-05-2007, 04:54 AM

if you want 5.0 M.P. ask cannon to make a phone. your buying a cell phone not a video recorder.

Why ask Cannon when you can get it from Nokia N95?

joe

06-05-2007, 05:01 AM

Why ask Cannon when you can get it from Nokia N95?

Because the quality and features just can't compare. The stand-alone Canon camera with the same MP rating will be better. Since you are very interested in the camera you should check out Canon.

timschizzle

06-05-2007, 05:25 AM

Why ask Cannon when you can get it from Nokia N95?

its not a serious comment. I'm being sarcastic because you sooo worried about the stupid camera that your using that as your basis for buying a CELL PHONE. iPhone isn't a camera with a phone, its a phone and an ipod with a camera. go join a nokia forum and skeet all over there posts if your gonna sit here and make every post about a stupid 5.0 MP camera, just so you can get your post count up and try to win the very phone your bashing.

timschizzle

06-05-2007, 05:27 AM

Chris, can this kid really be eligible to win the phone when all his posts are about the same topic. Everything he has said is about the N95. How can all his posts be legit?

reptilexcq

06-05-2007, 07:55 PM

Chris, can this kid really be eligible to win the phone when all his posts are about the same topic. Everything he has said is about the N95. How can all his posts be legit?

the only advantage iphone have over Nokia N95 is the touch screen....and quick friendly usage...that's it. Nokia has everything plus the 5.0MP cam and GPS. It's funny people defend iphone even if there are obvious weakness in its feature.

joe

06-05-2007, 08:10 PM

the only advantage iphone have over Nokia N95 is the touch screen....and quick friendly usage...that's it. Nokia has everything plus the 5.0MP cam and GPS. It's funny people defend iphone even if there are obvious weakness in its feature.

Wow! I didn't know the N95 can sync up with my iTunes library just like an iPod, uses Multi-Touch, has Cover Flow, Safari, Mail, iPhoto, proximity sensors, accelerometer, ambient light sensors, etc, etc. Guess I'm in the wrong forum! :gasp:

reptilexcq

06-05-2007, 09:04 PM

Wow! I didn't know the N95 can sync up with my iTunes library just like an iPod, uses Multi-Touch, has Cover Flow, Safari, Mail, iPhoto, proximity sensors, accelerometer, ambient light sensors, etc, etc. Guess I'm in the wrong forum! :gasp:

WOw i didn't know iphone has GPS, replaceable battery, TV out, 5.0MP camcorder, flash memory support, FM radio, 3rd party support, 3G!!

rebelace

06-05-2007, 09:06 PM

WOw i didn't know iphone has GPS, replaceable battery, TV out, 5.0MP camcorder, flash memory support, FM radio, 3rd party support, 3G!!

I am really getting tired of you.

lasquintanas

06-05-2007, 09:07 PM

If anything, the grammer is killing me.

jtlax3

06-05-2007, 09:09 PM

WOw i didn't know iphone has GPS, replaceable battery, TV out, 5.0MP camcorder, flash memory support, FM radio, 3rd party support, 3G!!

so we can agree that they are two completely different phones and you can shut the hell up. nobody here wants to compare the iPhone to the stupid Nokia phone you keep touting...:angry:

timschizzle

06-05-2007, 09:09 PM

WOw i didn't know iphone has GPS, replaceable battery, TV out, 5.0MP camcorder, flash memory support, FM radio, 3rd party support, 3G!!

aren't we all. I think im starting a poll to get you banned.

ColsTiger

06-05-2007, 09:32 PM

Let's play nice fellas. Don't let people get you all riled up just because they have a different opinion.

Kabeyun

06-05-2007, 09:55 PM

EVERYBODY CHILL OUT. Get this thread back on track or it will be locked. Thank you.

Now: iPhone or satisfactory alternative? Discuss.

-K

jtlax3

06-05-2007, 11:03 PM

iPhone! duh!:2cool:

DiscoJoey

06-06-2007, 02:04 PM

jtlax3

06-06-2007, 02:32 PM

mac os on a phone, end of store.

that's the end of the apple store?! noooooooo!:angry:

cooper

06-06-2007, 03:20 PM

Not better than Nokia N95 ...NO! N95 has better video cam w/ 5.0MP and GPS

The notion that megapixels = quality is a common misconception. You can cram all kinds of megapixels onto a tiny sensor, behind a tiny lens, but the reality that any photographer will tell you is that quality lies in a larger lens and a larger exposure surface. A 20 megapixel camera phone is still going to be garbage compared to any real camera with a decent sized lens. Also camera phones tend to have bare lenses made of cheap materials that get scratched easily.

cooper

06-06-2007, 03:23 PM

Seems clear that if you're buying an iPhone, you're paying for what you always pay for from apple. A coherent, fast, intuitive user interface designed by arguably the best user interface designers in the world. You can boil things down to their parts, hardware statistics, and features, but at the end of the day, a product doesn't do you much good if you can't use it as effectively. There's no benchmark that quantifies the superiority of Apple's UI.

Marksman

06-06-2007, 09:04 PM

The advantage apple has is they have a proven track record on making user interfaces. The Macintosh, the iPod.

What does every single cellphone/smartphone ever made to this point have in common? The interface on EVERY one of them is horrible.

This is where the iPhone will potentially change things dramatically. Even if you never buy one, you will be able to point to the iPhone as the impetus for some pretty broad changes in the cell phone market, which will be much better for the consumers.