What exactly does the iphone do that is so "revolutionary"

[crane98]

What exactly does this phone do that other phones can do? I've come to the conclusion that the answer is nothing. In fact, it's actually a step back in technology.

No picture messaging
No video
No voice recording
Low volume
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players
Battery isn't removable
No custom ringtones
No instant messaging
No voice dialing

I've just listed TEN BASIC FEATURES that numerous other cell phones have that the iphone doesn't. How can any device that is lacking the features I posted above be considered "revolutionary"? I guess I bought into the hype like everyone else. Besides looking cool, there really isn't anything sweet about the phone at all. For the first couple of weeks the phone looked cool enough to satisfy me, but not anymore.....

I'm doing all I can to get an offer above 350 locally to sell it, but it seems as though nobody really wants it. Honestly, it's just a pain to use. I miss being able to call someone on my old phone without hitting 95 buttons, or send a funny video, or send a picture for christ's sake.

[Johnny iPhone]

What exactly does this phone do that other phones can do? I've come to the conclusion that the answer is nothing. In fact, it's actually a step back in technology.

No picture messaging
No video
No voice recording
Low volume
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players
Battery isn't removable
No custom ringtones
No instant messaging
No voice dialing

I've just listed TEN BASIC FEATURES that numerous other cell phones have that the iphone doesn't. How can any device that is lacking the features I posted above be considered "revolutionary"? I guess I bought into the hype like everyone else. Besides looking cool, there really isn't anything sweet about the phone at all. For the first couple of weeks the phone looked cool enough to satisfy me, but not anymore.....

I'm doing all I can to get an offer above 350 locally to sell it, but it seems as though nobody really wants it. Honestly, it's just a pain to use. I miss being able to call someone on my old phone without hitting 95 buttons, or send a funny video, or send a picture for christ's sake.

Please stop with the non-sense already. The phone has been a joy to use for many people and I personally can vouch for the fact that *to me* it is the best phone I've ever owned in 10 years of owning cell phones (lots and lots of phones over those years)... by a huge margin. That is revolutionary to me.

I'm sure you've lost more than $300 at some point in your life. Sell it for what you can and move along.

[crane98]

Please stop with the non-sense already. The phone has been a joy to use for many people and I personally can vouch for the fact that *to me* it is the best phone I've ever owned in 10 years of owning cell phones (lots and lots of phones over those years)... by a huge margin. That is revolutionary to me.

I'm sure you've lost more than $300 at some point in your life. Sell it for what you can and move along.

Why don't you try answering my question instead of beating around the bush. What does this phone do that is so "revolutionary"? How can a phone that's missing 10 basic features that tons of other phones have be called revolutionary?

This post was about a serious question. I'm dead serious. What makes this phone revolutionary?

[Bboy Trick]

What exactly does this phone do that other phones can do? I've come to the conclusion that the answer is nothing. In fact, it's actually a step back in technology.

No picture messaging
No video
No voice recording
Low volume
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players
Battery isn't removable
No custom ringtones
No instant messaging
No voice dialing

I've just listed TEN BASIC FEATURES that numerous other cell phones have that the iphone doesn't. How can any device that is lacking the features I posted above be considered "revolutionary"? I guess I bought into the hype like everyone else. Besides looking cool, there really isn't anything sweet about the phone at all. For the first couple of weeks the phone looked cool enough to satisfy me, but not anymore.....

I'm doing all I can to get an offer above 350 locally to sell it, but it seems as though nobody really wants it. Honestly, it's just a pain to use. I miss being able to call someone on my old phone without hitting 95 buttons, or send a funny video, or send a picture for christ's sake.


Where do you live man? Im tryin to get one for my birthday this saturday:laugh2:

[crane98]

Where do you live man? Im tryin to get one for my birthday this saturday:laugh2:

About 8 hours west of you.

[ceiph]

no phone has an ipod in it.
yes my blackberry can play mp3s but its a pain to use
the pure touch screen
and the internet browser destroys any other phones (yes ive had blackberry connect and using even opera mini is a pain)

3 reasons and thats just the top

No picture messaging (can be fixed with software)
No video (can be fixed with software..... but also why shooting video on a cell sucks)
No voice recording (can be fixed with software but i mean really?)
Low volume (preference)
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players (as i said google maps on my blackberry worked well, not as easy to use but it work. mp3s however were a pain and didnt have playlists or anything that my itunes library already has)
Battery isn't removable (its slim. ipods have never been removable, if you didnt know this before buying well ah well)
No custom ringtones (yes there are ways around this plus software)
No instant messaging (there are ways around this..... plus software update)
No voice dialing (both my razr and my bb had this and as neat as it was... i never used it)



so yeah your list of problems are really just whining and being impatient.

[iAlex]

Why don't you try answering my question instead of beating around the bush. What does this phone do that is so "revolutionary"? How can a phone that's missing 10 basic features that tons of other phones have be called revolutionary?

This post was about a serious question. I'm dead serious. What makes this phone revolutionary?

i will tell you right now,

the iphone is a "white canvas" phone.. in any second the phone can be changed. It is a computer running software.. yes yes yes revolutionary? i dont know, but being revolutionary doesn't have to be world changing... the fact that its an ipod / phone / etc all in one is enough to be revolutionary to any fan-boy of apple or new gadgets... something being revolutionary, doesn't have to be revolutionary to everyone.

[Bboy Trick]

But what the iphone has is all in one device! All the stuff you said can be fixed with a good update! and if you watch attack of the show they said that there was hidden apps in the iphone but will be added in a future update!

PS if i lived closer I would buy it off you!

[ceiph]

ialex said it best.... its a white canvas......

[crane98]

no phone has an ipod in it.
yes my blackberry can play mp3s but its a pain to use
the pure touch screen
and the internet browser destroys any other phones (yes ive had blackberry connect and using even opera mini is a pain)

3 reasons and thats just the top

No picture messaging (can be fixed with software)
No video (can be fixed with software..... but also why shooting video on a cell sucks)
No voice recording (can be fixed with software but i mean really?)
Low volume (preference)
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players (as i said google maps on my blackberry worked well, not as easy to use but it work. mp3s however were a pain and didnt have playlists or anything that my itunes library already has)
Battery isn't removable (its slim. ipods have never been removable, if you didnt know this before buying well ah well)
No custom ringtones (yes there are ways around this plus software)
No instant messaging (there are ways around this..... plus software update)
No voice dialing (both my razr and my bb had this and as neat as it was... i never used it)



so yeah your list of problems are really just whining and being impatient.

lol, so you agree that the phone is missing these features. Your only response was, can be fixed with software. So what? There's no guarantee that will happen, and why wouldn't the phone have came with these options in the first place?

An Ipod is just an MP3 player, you know that, right? A lot of phones have them. The internet browser is the best, but that doesn't make it "revolutionary". Look up revolutionary in the dictionary. Other phones have them, and some are pretty comparable. I'd rather have another phones browser and be able to send pics, take video, record voice etc...

[crane98]

the fact that its an ipod / phone / etc all in one is enough to be revolutionary to any fan-boy of apple or new gadgets... something being revolutionary, doesn't have to be revolutionary to everyone.

An ipod is just an MP3 player, tons of phones have MP3 players and can do everyting the iphone can and more.

[adseguy]

That's the most basic thing I always hear from people with Treos, BB, and the matter.

I say this: "Ok open your device, play a song (specify here), go open cnn.com, check a stock quote that is NOT saved (specify), type a simple text to each other that is about 4 sentences, review an old voicemail, check an e-mail message, find the closest 711 gas station, take a picture, and set an alarm for 8:00am. First one done wins"

I bet everyone $5 before I do this cause I'm very very sure I'll win.....and possibly they will crash (actually happened to someone)

The revolution TO ME isn't so much what you can do, but how easy it is and how pleasurable it is. People underestimate the importance of GUI (Graphical user interfaces). Things are so fast and easy, plus the SMALL SIZE!!!! That impresses me that I don't have to carry it on my hip.

It's not for everyone, just like cars. Some people don't see the need for BMW when a Honda does the same thing.....hopefully you see the difference though (leather, power, comfort, quality interior and exterior technology, etc) Sell your iPhone if you are not happy about, I'm sorry you were not impressed.

[iAlex]

An ipod is just an MP3 player, tons of phones have MP3 players and can do everyting the iphone can and more.



rev·o·lu·tion·ar·y

-radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.


i believe you dont realize the scale of the word revolutionary, just the fact it has a browser / phone / and an ipod makes it innovative. ok call the most popular Mp3 player ever created just any other mp3 players.. ok phone, mp3, browser has been done. Mac OsX on a phone hasnt.. revolutionary!

we win you lose.. go back to everythingdenial.com

[zandrik]

lol, so you agree that the phone is missing these features. Your only response was, can be fixed with software. So what? There's no guarantee that will happen, and why wouldn't the phone have came with these options in the first place?

An Ipod is just an MP3 player, you know that, right? A lot of phones have them. The internet browser is the best, but that doesn't make it "revolutionary". Look up revolutionary in the dictionary. Other phones have them, and some are pretty comparable. I'd rather have another phones browser and be able to send pics, take video, record voice etc...


For one it may be revolutionary, for another it may not be. It doesn't matter what it has or doesn't have. For me it's an amazing phone and it far ahead of anything else. It's its own device there is nothing else like it. It's like comparing apples & oranges. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But don't sit there and tell everyone that it's not a revolutionary phone when maybe for them it is.

[crane98]

That's the most basic thing I always hear from people with Treos, BB, and the matter.

I say this: "Ok open your device, play a song (specify here), go open cnn.com, check a stock quote that is NOT saved (specify), type a simple text to each other that is about 4 sentences, review an old voicemail, check an e-mail message, find the closest 711 gas station, take a picture, and set an alarm for 8:00am. First one done wins"

I bet everyone $5 before I do this cause I'm very very sure I'll win.....and possibly they will crash (actually happened to someone)



If I were one of your friends I'd say ok, send me a picture, record our conversation, change your ring tone to your favorite song, send me a video. You'd feel pretty stupid, sort of like you will when you read this.

[crane98]

rev·o·lu·tion·ar·y

-radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.


i believe you dont realize the scale of the word revolutionary, just the fact it has a browser / phone / and an ipod makes it innovative. ok call the most popular Mp3 player ever created just any other mp3 players.. ok phone, mp3, browser has been done. Mac OsX on a phone hasnt.. revolutionary!

we win you lose.. go back to everythingdenial.com

So if I create a cell phone that weighs 145lbs and claim that since it can withstand a blow from a sledge hammer, that's revolutionary? Based on your definition it would be, but how relevant is that when the thing weighs 145lbs? I'd rather have a phone that weights 5 ounces and would shatter upon being hit with a hammer. The things that make the iphone revolutionary have little or no use. Just as the 145lb phone does.

Just as much as I'd rather have a phone that can actually do basic things over one that just looks cool. The phone fails the functionality test big time. It has show but no go.

[zandrik]

If I were one of your friends I'd say ok, send me a picture, record our conversation, change your ring tone to your favorite song, send me a video. You'd feel pretty stupid, sort of like you will when you read this.


Just curious. Name a phone that can record a phone conversation. I've never heard of one. If it's possible I want one.

Thanks!

[crane98]

Just curious. Name a phone that can record a phone conversation. I've never heard of one. If it's possible I want one.

Thanks!

My old Env could, and it was the original EnV. You can only hear the voice on the other end, but there's a few 3 way calling tricks you can use to record both voices.

[iAlex]

So if I create a cell phone that weighs 145lbs and claim that since it can withstand a blow from a sledge hammer, that's revolutionary? Based on your definition it would be, but how relevant is that when the thing weighs 145lbs? I'd rather have a phone that weights 5 ounces and would shatter upon being hit with a hammer. The things that make the iphone revolutionary have little or no use. Just as the 145lb phone does.

Just as much as I'd rather have a phone that can actually do basic things over one that just looks cool. The phone fails the functionality test big time. It has show but no go.

then you proved your issue with the iphone wrong, the iphone is revolutionary, just like a 145 lb phone would be too..

lock thread here.

[Conan]

its the first touch screen phone..there u go revolutionary..good bye.

[Woofus]

Ya want to know what's revolutionary to me?


I wanted it
I bought it.

It makes me happy.

[crane98]

its the first touch screen phone..there u go revolutionary..good bye.

So what? Do you have any concept of logic? That's one feature, that doesn't improve the phones functionality at all. Features the phone is missing-10
Features it has-1

So far it's 10-1.

The automatic checkouts at the grocery store have the same technology, you have to use your finger for it to recognize that you're hitting a button. Wow, how revolutionary, get real.

[adseguy]

Hey crane98, reply to my post would yah. I'd like to hear your thoughts

[Conan]

So what? Do you have any concept of logic? That's one feature, that doesn't improve the phones functionality at all.

While it has this one new feature, it's missing 10 other basic features that offer a lot more to a phone than touch screen.
The first touch screen phone in the Market. Through the Iphone as a Base other Touch screen phones are going to appear on the market which can concentrate more on functionality/content w/o having to worry about weight/size and buttons. The screen is the button so just make the screen as the phone and all you have to worry about is the content. It is the first phone to do that hence its revolutionary. Just because its missing 10 features, which can be implemented through a update, might I add does not make it any less revolutionary.

[Conan]

So what? Do you have any concept of logic? That's one feature, that doesn't improve the phones functionality at all. Features the phone is missing-10
Features it has-1

So far it's 10-1.

The automatic checkouts at the ****ing grocery store have the same technology, you have to use your finger for it to recognize that you're hitting a button. Wow, how revolutionary, get real.
wow who compares a checkout counter to a Phone. Fit the check out counter in your pocket then come say something.

[crane98]

Hey crane98, reply to my post would yah. I'd like to hear your thoughts

I say this: "Ok open your device, play a song (specify here), go open cnn.com, check a stock quote that is NOT saved (specify), type a simple text to each other that is about 4 sentences, review an old voicemail, check an e-mail message, find the closest 711 gas station, take a picture, and set an alarm for 8:00am. First one done wins"

What you've done here is created a series of events that, while being unpractical, are able to be performed in the iphone faster than most phones. However, it's completely irrelevant because you pre-chose these events to best suit your needs. In an everyday scenario, most tasks such as making a phone call are performed much faster on other phones.

My response to your little contest would be, send me a picture, record voice, send me a video, take a video, make your ring tone your favorite song, get on AIM. While your friends make take a few seconds longer to go through your pre-thought out plan, they can still do everything you asked of them. You and your beloved iphone can not do the things I asked of you, no matter how much time I give you.
Thank you, come again next time you want your weak arguments ripped apart.

[crane98]

wow who compares a checkout counter to a Phone. Fit the check out counter in your pocket then come say something.

The technology isn't revolutionary. The only reason it wasn't put on a cell phone before because it's really not that great of an idea. The phone is constantly covered in finger print and dirt.

[Conan]

The technology isn't revolutionary. The only reason it wasn't put on a cell phone before because it's really not that great of an idea. The phone is constantly covered in finger print and dirt.
And how exactly would you know this? source ? anything?

all iam trying to say is..the Iphone basically started a "Revolution" by eliminating the need for buttons and allowing the screen itself to be the button, allowing for thinkers to broaden their ideas on the content of the phone rather then having to worry about size/weight and the hassle of buttons.

[509vistablue]

Why don't you just sell it and get on with life.

If you are serious about selling I would love to give you $350 for it.
I'm not local but I have paypal.

[smoovie]

I don't think the "revolutionary" part is in the function. The "revolutionary" part is in the design. There has never been another phone like it and has the mobile phone industry going nuts to catch up to the design. There may be better designs in the future but as it stands right now, IMO, iPhone is king. For Apple's first foray into the mobile phone market it is exceptional. Applications and updates will come with time, not just from Apple but from private developers as well. When I'm running PhotoShop on my phone from a hotel (I travel often for work) and designing GUI graphics for it and for my PC, your send your friend another funny pic.

[Devori]

i dont know of any other smart device that will allow me to look up a location on google maps via touchscreen, provide directions to and from my location, or touch the number and immediately call that location, restaurant,store,etc..:gasp:

[adseguy]

What you've done here is created a series of events that, while being unpractical, are able to be performed in the iphone faster than most phones. However, it's completely irrelevant because you pre-chose these events to best suit your needs. In an everyday scenario, most tasks such as making a phone call are performed much faster on other phones.

My response to your little contest would be, send me a picture, record voice, send me a video, take a video, make your ring tone your favorite song, get on AIM. While your friends make take a few seconds longer to go through your pre-thought out plan, they can still do everything you asked of them. You and your beloved iphone can not do the things I asked of you, no matter how much time I give you.
Thank you, come again next time you want your weak arguments ripped apart.

First, you have a very condescending tone and that's not too much appreciated in here. Stay light hearted and people will try to show you their points of view....that's what you wanted right?

I thought my choice of "things to do" was not that unpractical at all. Throw in a call in there...that's fine.....it still takes longer to open your phone, dig through contacts, and dial away, even though I may have more key presses I might tie you if not be faster. I'm not counting speed dial through the physical keypad though (got us there :tounge:).

If I were to do the test in an arrogant manner I'd say: "Go to you tube and bookmark your favorite, along with sending one to a friend. Go to Google maps, find the current traffic in your area and make some directions to a friends house you have saved in contacts. Show me your conversation with multiple friends from previous SMS messages. Show me a podcast that was automatically loaded from last nights sync. Show me that 5th voicemail you got without strumming through that annoying woman at the other end and the 4 other people that left you a message first. Do all this without draining your battery in a few hours and try not to loose your stylus while your at it......:2cool:"

[ssnake937]

As long as it was new and you still had the receipt and **** I'd buy it off you for $350.

[DRabbit]

What exactly does this phone do that other phones can do?

Touch screen, which means:
-Easy to use
-Keyboard "adapts" to the application you use
-Requires no stylus
-Can accommodate a much larger screen
-Has an accelerometer to detect how you're holding the screen, and adjust to portrait or landscape automatically.

Touch screen alone is revolutionary.

REAL internet
-combine that with touchscreen for a good user experience (easy to zoom in and out, easy to see, see what you expect to)

Is combined with an iPod
-the MOST popular MP3 player, by far and wide, so don't say this is trivial... it's not.
-Is the first WIDE SCREEN video iPod
-Is the first iPod with touch screen and cover flow navigation

The last two feature alone make it a revolutionary iPod just by themselves.

Visual voice mail
-Which ALONE is revolutionary.

It's a device that combines a phone, an iPod, real internet, YouTube, e-mail, calendar, real-time stocks and weather (in one easy touch), stopwatch, timer, alarm clock, calculator, contact list, and is bluetooth and WiFi capable. Name another device that gives you all that... and yes, it HAS TO include an iPod. I don't want just any old MP3 player... and neither do the vast majority of people.

I've come to the conclusion that the answer is nothing. In fact, it's actually a step back in technology.

Really? Then you haven't been paying attention.

No picture messaging

Well, I certainly can send photos I take with the phone to anyone with an e-mail account, and I can even send them an MMS message utilizing e-mail. But you are right in that is doesn't do MMS messaging like some phones... at least not yet.

No video

Yup, you're right. All I can say is, so what? I always have to laugh at people who want a video camera in their cellphone. Please, do me a favor and don't send ME your crappy phone videos.

Will it come in a software update? Possibly.

No voice recording

Seems you had a hard time pointing to a phone that does voice recording easily. Guess what... I could use my iPhone as a voice recorder if I needed to. I can call my own number and use voice mail. Then, since I don't have to call in to get my message, since it has REVOLUTIONARY visual voicemail, I can just click on it and listen to what I've recorded.

Does it have a button to use it like a little digital voice recorder? No. Again, I say, who cares.

Low volume

Not my experience at all. I've had no issues with hearing people on my iPhone.

There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players

But do they have multitouch for easy navigation of Google Maps? No, they don't. I've used map apps on other cellphones... either Google or otherwise, and without a touch screen they are fumbly at best.

And your sub-par MP3 player doesn't interest me.

Battery isn't removable

Well it's removeable... just not by you. Neither are they in iPods, so it shouldn't be any surprise. It's a non-issue anyway.

No custom ringtones

This I KNOW will come in the near future... and there are already plenty of people who've figure out how to do it "unofficially".

No instant messaging

Here you are just wrong. You have multiple ways to instant message. There's a slew of web apps you can use. You can also use AIM-to-SMS, which I use EVERY DAY and it's easy. In addition, because SMS is SO NICE on the iPhone, it's actually my preferred method. Compared to my old cellphone that had direct AIM, it's still much better, even without iChat yet installed. Which WILL come.

No voice dialing

This is the only one I'll truly just give you. Personally, I don't need it (I have a good bluetooth kit in my car that does voice dialing) but it IS something Apple should have included right from the start.

I've just listed TEN BASIC FEATURES that numerous other cell phones have that the iphone doesn't.

No, actually, you haven't.
And I've listed some features the iPhone has that no other phone has... and some of those features ALONE are revolutionary, even if the iPhone is missing voice dialing or the ability for you to film your next feature. LOL.

And what WILL you complain about when a lot of these appear in software updates - and without a doubt in my mind, at least SOME of them will.

How can any device that is lacking the features I posted above be considered "revolutionary"? I guess I bought into the hype like everyone else. Besides looking cool, there really isn't anything sweet about the phone at all. For the first couple of weeks the phone looked cool enough to satisfy me, but not anymore.....

You've been bashing the iPhone around here for a while now, so I don't know that you were ever truly satisfied. You don't accept it's minor limitations.

I don't accept ANY other phones limitations. I don't want to have to carry my iPod AND another device. I don't WANT to lug my laptop with me just to get a decent internet experience. I don't want to go back to calling in for my voice mail. I could keep going if you like...

I'm doing all I can to get an offer above 350 locally

Just stick it on ebay and be done with it.

[vansouza]

What exactly does this phone do that other phones can do? I've come to the conclusion that the answer is nothing. In fact, it's actually a step back in technology.

No picture messaging
No video
No voice recording
Low volume
There are a lot of other phones that already have google maps and MP3 players
Battery isn't removable
No custom ringtones
No instant messaging
No voice dialing

I've just listed TEN BASIC FEATURES that numerous other cell phones have that the iphone doesn't. How can any device that is lacking the features I posted above be considered "revolutionary"? I guess I bought into the hype like everyone else. Besides looking cool, there really isn't anything sweet about the phone at all. For the first couple of weeks the phone looked cool enough to satisfy me, but not anymore.....

I'm doing all I can to get an offer above 350 locally to sell it, but it seems as though nobody really wants it. Honestly, it's just a pain to use. I miss being able to call someone on my old phone without hitting 95 buttons, or send a funny video, or send a picture for christ's sake.

Have you not seen the adds for the iPhone on TV and importantly, were you paying attention? They answer your question about what is revolutionary.

[xSoNiCcRaCkErSx]

Lol talk about a war. I'm not ganna get wrapped up in this but i did want to mention one thing.


If you purchased you iphone from the beginning which im assuming on maybe iday or a day after? thats 650 with tax included. your now selling for at least 350? i hope you havent forgotten about the iphone service cancellation fee? its 175$. that leaves you with 175 for your lowest sell. :(


650-175 = 475$ lost. T.T. just thought id mention it. :D

[ceiph]

yay for the war.... anyways i just want to get one point across, you can say an ipod is just an mp3 player..... my pearl had just an mp3 player, id add songs and it could play the folders....

an ipod syncs to my itunes folder, i can use my custom playlists and my musics already set to folders i like. if i already have my itunes set up for an ipod and i can just plug in a phone and sync what i want it makes life easy.

the ipod is huge because its easy to use. yes my blackberry could play music on a 2gb sd card but its a hassle and doesnt compare to the ipod ease of use. so yes

ipod in a phone is revolutionary.....

[Hondamaker]

Why don't you try answering my question instead of beating around the bush. What does this phone do that is so "revolutionary"? How can a phone that's missing 10 basic features that tons of other phones have be called revolutionary?

This post was about a serious question. I'm dead serious. What makes this phone revolutionary?Everything else about it, that's what makes it revolutionary. We're all done with the complaints. 99 % of us are enjoying the crap outta this phone, your flaccid complaints will do nothing to change that, so STFU.

[Hondamaker]

It's not for everyone, just like cars. Some people don't see the need for BMW when a Honda does the same thing......
Yeah, buy Hondas and iPhones!!!

[Raltenbach]

If you don't like the iPhone, why on earth are you visiting this site? I keep getting this image of a man who HATES lasagna, sitting at a table staring at a big pan of it, which he made himself, so he could just sit there feeling resentful and disgusted. Move on with your life. Let the lasagna go!

Now, to answer your original question. For me, it is revolutionary to me in that it is my first cell phone. Not saying all cells are revolutionary to me, but that after many years of not owning a cell phone, this is the one that made me get one. I'm an iPod and Mac user, so the better integration of iTunes and iPhone is a big plus for me. Easiest and fasted way for me to access songs. Syncing so well with commonly used Mac apps is a delight. Cross-updating info to and from is another big plus. Visual Voicemail is a real time saver for me. Access to a ton of online storage and opening files in many formats(more each week so far). Being able to control my computer(granted, in a very slow way so far) from miles away with a device with the same aspect ratio(and with astounding resolution for a handset), is possibly the "killer app" for me. I do have more reasons to love this device, but not the energy to keep typing this, alas. Hope you can understand my reasoning at least on some level.:smile:

[crane98]

i hope you havent forgotten about the iphone service cancellation fee? its 175$. that leaves you with 175 for your lowest sell. :(


650-175 = 475$ lost. T.T. just thought id mention it. :D

www.cellswapper.com

[xoulo]

ill pay you 400 for that iphone you dont want
i can give it to someone in my family or friend who would love the iphone

[crane98]

Touch screen, which means:
-Easy to use
-Keyboard "adapts" to the application you use
-Requires no stylus
-Can accommodate a much larger screen
-Has an accelerometer to detect how you're holding the screen, and adjust to portrait or landscape automatically.

Touch screen alone is revolutionary.

Touch screen technology has been around for years, it was never put onto a cell phone because it makes things like texting harder, the screen is always dirty, and it's not as efficient. Basic tasks require hitting more buttons than a conventional keypad.

REAL internet
-combine that with touchscreen for a good user experience (easy to zoom in and out, easy to see, see what you expect to)

Is combined with an iPod
-the MOST popular MP3 player, by far and wide, so don't say this is trivial... it's not.
-Is the first WIDE SCREEN video iPod So What, if you use it to watch videos, forget about relying on it as a phone, the battery life won't support it. There goes your multiple devices in one argument.
-Is the first iPod with touch screen and cover flow navigation
Again, so what. This has nothing to do with functionality, it only looks cool. Browsing by album cover takes 10 times as long to find the song you want.

The last two feature alone make it a revolutionary iPod just by themselves.

Visual voice mail
-Which ALONE is revolutionary.
I can agree to this, but it isn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings.

It's a device that combines a phone, an iPod, real internet If you use all of these features, you'll be lucky to get 4 hours of battery life, YouTube, e-mail, calendar, real-time stocks and weather (in one easy touch), stopwatch, timer, alarm clock, calculator, contact list, and is bluetooth and WiFi capable. Name another device that gives you all that... and yes, it HAS TO include an iPod. I don't want just any old MP3 player... and

Almost any decent cell phone has every feature you just listed, and they can also send pics, take video, record phone calls/voice, browse the internet, mp3 player etc...


Really? Then you haven't been paying attention.



Well, I certainly can send photos I take with the phone to anyone with an e-mail account, and I can even send them an MMS message utilizing e-mail. But you are right in that is doesn't do MMS messaging like some phones... at least not yet.



Yup, you're right. All I can say is, so what? I always have to laugh at people who want a video camera in their cellphone. Please, do me a favor and don't send ME your crappy phone videos.

Will it come in a software update? Possibly.



Seems you had a hard time pointing to a phone that does voice recording easily. Guess what... I could use my iPhone as a voice recorder if I needed to. I can call my own number and use voice mail. Then, since I don't have to call in to get my message, since it has REVOLUTIONARY visual voicemail, I can just click on it and listen to what I've recorded. This isn't the voice recording I'm talking about. My EnV could record phone calls.

Does it have a button to use it like a little digital voice recorder? No. Again, I say, who cares.



Not my experience at all. I've had no issues with hearing people on my iPhone. Well, then you're in denial because every single person I know that owns one has, and there's a 15 or 20 page thread on this forum about the issue, as well as tons of news articles about it. Nice try, though.



But do they have multitouch for easy navigation of Google Maps? Some of them do No, they don't. I've used map apps on other cellphones... either Google or otherwise, and without a touch screen they are fumbly at best.

And your sub-par MP3 player doesn't interest me. Sub-Par, it plays songs, that works for me.



Well it's removeable... just not by you. Neither are they in iPods, so it shouldn't be any surprise. It's a non-issue anyway.



This I KNOW will come in the near future... and there are already plenty of people who've figure out how to do it "unofficially". Right, just like the first update was going to fix all of the major problems, and it fixed zero of them.



Here you are just wrong. You have multiple ways to instant message. There's a slew of web apps you can use. You can also use AIM-to-SMS, which I use EVERY DAY and it's easy. In addition, because SMS is SO NICE on the iPhone, it's actually my preferred method. Compared to my old cellphone that had direct AIM, it's still much better, even without iChat yet installed. Which WILL come. Again, you were probably one of the people claiming all this would come with the first update.



This is the only one I'll truly just give you. Personally, I don't need it (I have a good bluetooth kit in my car that does voice dialing) but it IS something Apple should have included right from the start.



No, actually, you haven't.
And I've listed some features the iPhone has that no other phone has... and some of those features ALONE are revolutionary, even if the iPhone is missing voice dialing or the ability for you to film your next feature. LOL.

And what WILL you complain about when a lot of these appear in software updates - and without a doubt in my mind, at least SOME of them will.



You've been bashing the iPhone around here for a while now, so I don't know that you were ever truly satisfied. You don't accept it's minor limitations.

I don't accept ANY other phones limitations. I don't want to have to carry my iPod AND another device. I don't WANT to lug my laptop with me just to get a decent internet experience. I don't want to go back to calling in for my voice mail. I could keep going if you like...



Just stick it on ebay and be done with it.

I've addressed your comments in bold.

[crane98]

ill pay you 400 for that iphone you dont want
i can give it to someone in my family or friend who would love the iphone

If you pay pal me, you have a deal.

[Silverado]

This is certainly a valid question, and you make very good points. Now that the dust has settled, I think what's revolutionary about the iPhone is the user interface (leaving aside the question of whether it's an absolute clear winner in usability, although i think it's a remarkably good first iteration). I share some of your frustrations with the many steps needed to do things, not to mention the virtual impossibility of one-handed operation, but IMO the web browser provides the best web experience ever created on a mobile phone.

As far as selling it, why does it have to be local? I've sent Treos all over by mail, selling them on ebay. Just be cautious and use reputable buyers.

[Sleeper]

I would say that the iPhone is evolutionary rather than revolutionary and even then only in parts. Clearly it has an excellent UI although it's hardly the first touch sensitive phone on the market. In addition it probably has the best mobile browser out there - which is fine if you accept the limitations of mobile browsers; ultimately it's still only a tiny screen you're using and most people are still going to prefer notebooks or desktops to do their serious browsing.

I think the person who said it was a white canvas is right to a degree. It's just unfortunate the artist's palette is restricted to only a few colours.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Why don't you just sell it and get on with life.

If you are serious about selling I would love to give you $350 for it.
I'm not local but I have paypal.

He definitely has buyer's remorse. Just sell the damned thing and move on.

[xSoNiCcRaCkErSx]

www.cellswapper.com (http://www.cellswapper.com)

that looks like a lot more trouble than its worth to go through.

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Why don't you try answering my question instead of beating around the bush. What does this phone do that is so "revolutionary"? How can a phone that's missing 10 basic features that tons of other phones have be called revolutionary?

This post was about a serious question. I'm dead serious. What makes this phone revolutionary?

You answered yourself

Revolution IS NOT

- Daily Routine

- "Other phones"

- Smartphones

- Nokia

- "Most phones have these features"

Revolution MEANS

- Multitouch, which includes all the standard apps like Internet, Mail etc. but in a brand new way, much more elegant, powerful, immediate and advanced

- iPod, that IS NOT an "MP3 player"

- Google Maps, that IS NOT a GPS, they're 2 different things for 2 different uses, and MOST OF ALL there IS NOT a Maps app like the one in the iP, but if there's, show it to me...

Am I beating around the bush?

[prmdbr]

Ill paypal you 400 for it, right now.

I would love to get one for my wife. Seriously, if you're really wanting to sell it, that's my offer.

Pls. AIM me at El Jig Nasa if you want to do the deal.

Thanks.

[prmdbr]

I would say that the iPhone is evolutionary rather than revolutionary and even then only in parts. Clearly it has an excellent UI although it's hardly the first touch sensitive phone on the market. In addition it probably has the best mobile browser out there - which is fine if you accept the limitations of mobile browsers; ultimately it's still only a tiny screen you're using and most people are still going to prefer notebooks or desktops to do their serious browsing.

I think the person who said it was a white canvas is right to a degree. It's just unfortunate the artist's palette is restricted to only a few colours.


Most objective and well thought out post I've seen on this board yet.

Nicely done.

[Silverado]

- Google Maps, that IS NOT a GPS, they're 2 different things for 2 different uses, and MOST OF ALL there IS NOT a Maps app like the one in the iP, but if there's, show it to me...


Google Maps has been available for the Treo since last October and had been available for the Blackberry for longer than that. The blackberry version even supports an external bluetooth GPS. I didn't think it was a big deal when Steve Jobs demoed it because I've been using it for a long time on two platforms.

Here is a link to the Treo version's announcement: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9036/google-maps-released-for-palm-os/

[Sleeper]

Why is everyone humoring this person?

Because we should all be blind to criticism, shouldn't we? :rolleyes: Seriously, if you've nothing to add outside insults then please don't bother posting. The iPhone most certainly is not superior to other smartphones - sure, it's better in parts but then it lacks a lot of the key functionality most smartphones have so it's a case of pluses and minuses.

I'd also take issue with some people saying that an iPod isn't an mp3 player. Well, actually it is. It's a pretty decent one with some nice touches but it's nothing more than a device for converting information into audio or video via a set of codecs just like any other similar device. It may do it better than some of them or be easier to use but that's all it is.

Similarly, Google Maps has been available on most smartphones for ages. It's not a new or unique application and, frankly, no-one with GPS and Sat Nav as part of their feature range really cares about it outside of curiosity anyway.

People need to realise that just because a device meets your requirements and that you really, really like it, it doesn't follow that the device is the best thing since sliced bread or that it doesn't have weaknesses. Sure, it may be your thing, but that doesn't mean it's going to suit everyone or, indeed, most people. Now whining on endlessly about those faults is also kind of pointless - you pay your money and you make your choice so it's down to you: yes, YOU, to make damn sure that you get something that fits your needs. If it doesn't then take it back, let people know your concerns so they are aware of them as that might help them make their own decision and then just let it go. Seriously.

</rant>

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Google Maps has been available for the Treo since last October and had been available for the Blackberry for longer than that. The blackberry version even supports an external bluetooth GPS. I didn't think it was a big deal when Steve Jobs demoed it because I've been using it for a long time on two platforms.

Here is a link to the Treo version's announcement: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9036/google-maps-released-for-palm-os/

I repeat

"there IS NOT a Maps app like the one in the iP, but if there's, show it to me..."

Let's hope...

[Citsur86]

Let me put an end to this right now.

Revolutionary is, by definition,(for reference)

1. of, pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of a revolution, or a sudden, complete, or marked change: a revolutionary junta. 2.radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.

Let me break down why the iPhone's features make it fit this definition. 3 main reasons:

Seamless integration of multiple top notch technologies not found anywhere else, on any other phone.

a. Safari - Show me another phone that zooms in to specified section with a double press. Present to me something that you can see 90% of the full internet on.

b. Phone - Yes believe it or not, this thing is a phone. It lacks some features of other cell phones which have previously revolutionized the mobile communication device, but where it lacks it makes up for 10 fold.
--------Visual voicemail is by definition above a revolutionary technology.
--------Customized contact info sets a standard for what you what to see on which contact.

c. iPod - I saved this for last because this really is what makes this a revolutionary device. The iPod on the Phone is not only a mirror image of the most popular, effective, and fun mp3 player available in the world, but it is a revolutionary iPod.
---------Please, please, please show me another PHONE (that is what were talking about, right?) that can play movies in crystal clear high def on a screen large enough to watch it without having an aneurysm.
--------A display so full and colorful, BB should be ashamed of themselves.
--------An accelerometer which allows you to browse for music as if you are looking through your music collection in thin air. (yes I am refering to cover flow)

With that all said, let me explain why the functionality makes the iPhone fit the above definitions.

1. The phone does not have, but is in its entirety, (show me a BB like this) a touch screen, a multi-touch screen not found anywhere else, on any other phone.
2. Seamless integration which allows for:
------Browsing while listening to music.
------Automated situational responses (phone rings, music dims, conversation ends, music fades back in).
------Automated directional responses (accelerometer).
You cant fool this thing, it has a programmed response for every situation.
3. The apps on the iPhone are bar none, they do what past phones have done, but they do it better, and they do it faster.
4. Efficiency - this thing is the king of mobile navigation (no im not talking about GPS). I am refering to its ability to, through its very nature, guide you through almost any situation by presenting clear options and destinations.

While one may argue the Black Berries name against the iPhone, make no mistake of the revolution. Black Berry had its time, and it revolutionized the market upon its entrance. Since, apple has innovated, invented, discovered, and implemented a phone which clouds the name of Blackberry in a dust of change. It's "white canvas" as mentioned previously currently only has been given a backdrop color. It's the painting to come which we all look forward to.

Argue the iPhone won't change the world, and i'll agree with you. Argue the iPhone isn't the most advanced piece of technology in existence, and ill agree with you. But argue the iPhone cannot be called a revolutionary mobile communications device, and i'm sorry friend, but that, I will not only disagree with you on, but I will contradict, decline, oppose, contend, and refute until it is made clear that the iPhone is, and will continue to be a revolutionary mobile communications device.

[Kabeyun]

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