Report: Apple to launch VZW iPhone in 2010

[Eragon]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/06/report_apple_to_launch_verizon_iphone_in_q3_2010.h tml

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Interesting, if the report turns out to be true.

[psylichon]

2.8" screen? Um... why?

[acosmichippo]

i bet it's a loophole through the ATT exclusivity contract.

[firewire]

Who in their right mind would sacrifice 0.7 inches of screen real estate to upgrade to the new iphone? The only way this would work is if this smaller body in ONLY for Verizon, while ATT will continue to get a regular type upgrade next year the way it has been getting the last couple years.

If anything I was thinking they should push the screen size up to 3.8 or 4 inches; they could certainly do it.

[BrownGem]

Can't go with a smaller screen even if there is a map for that! I am with you Firewire. A bigger screen would be sweet!

[Eragon]

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/backstage/comments/shrinking-iphone-shrinking-interface-the-issues/

[Watcher]

All I have to say is if Apple shrinks the iPhone's screen, they will lose customers... including me! This will be the big break Android and other iClones have been waiting for! :dft007:angry

Hopefully it will be nothing but an iPhone Mini!

[rocketto98]

Why would Apple go for a smaller screen when everyone is doing bigger screens?
2.8 inch portrait typing would be hell.

[Eragon]

Why would Apple go for a smaller screen when everyone is doing bigger screens?
2.8 inch portrait typing would be hell.

That's why it's still a rumor.

A year ago, the thought was that the smaller screen would be needed to get around the AT&T exclusivity agreement. With the latest rumor, exclusivity is gone so there is no longer a reason to make a distinctly different device.

I can think of no other reason. Price point? Lacking a reason makes this rumor hard to believe. :dft006:unhappy

[acosmichippo]

Maybe apple knows they will be renewing the AT&T exclusivity.

[mr.reggaeton72]

the iphones screen size, the way that it is rigth now, is perfect, if they make it bigger, i dont think it will even fit in my pocket, if they make it smaller, it would be an even more cramped up keyboard and smaller UI for games, they need to leave it the way it is, and thats it...

[Londonrockz568]

the iphones screen size, the way that it is rigth now, is perfect, if they make it bigger, i dont think it will even fit in my pocket, if they make it smaller, it would be an even more cramped up keyboard and smaller UI for games, they need to leave it the way it is, and thats it...

The screen can get bigger with the device remaining the same. The sides of the screen mainly the little thin space between the screen and the chrome bezel, thats real estate. The little space above the Home Button, thats real estate. The rather larger space between the screen and the output call speaker is real estate. Now... If Apple we're to remove the chrome bezel and shape the iPhone like the iTouch you'd gain alot of space for a bigger screen.

The screen could get bigger and remain in the same sized shell, I really wouldnt mind having an iPhone with iPod Touch size dimensions.

Apple is all about going forward... but this speculation of a smaller screen is kinda wtf? to me. Here come the rumors of "Nano iPhone" etc. TBH... with the way Verizon is attacking AT&T and the iPhone itself, i dont see Apple wanting anything to do with Verizon anytime in the near future. Steve Jobs is known for being petty.

To further the being petty statement... how amusing would it be if Jobs gave Verizon a "hosed" version of the iPhone. LOL.

[Eragon]

Given bandwidth constraints, would a smaller screen equate to smaller resolution video, and less data transfer over the air?

[adnurahs]

The screen can get bigger with the device remaining the same. The sides of the screen mainly the little thin space between the screen and the chrome bezel, thats real estate. The little space above the Home Button, thats real estate. The rather larger space between the screen and the output call speaker is real estate. Now... If Apple we're to remove the chrome bezel and shape the iPhone like the iTouch you'd gain alot of space for a bigger screen.

The screen could get bigger and remain in the same sized shell, I really wouldnt mind having an iPhone with iPod Touch size dimensions.

Apple is all about going forward... but this speculation of a smaller screen is kinda wtf? to me. Here come the rumors of "Nano iPhone" etc. TBH... with the way Verizon is attacking AT&T and the iPhone itself, i dont see Apple wanting anything to do with Verizon anytime in the near future. Steve Jobs is known for being petty.

To further the being petty statement... how amusing would it be if Jobs gave Verizon and "hosed" version of the iPhone. LOL.

Rumors run rampant and its hard to believe any of this about Apple and Verizon. Verizon's UI and Apple don't and won't work together. I believe if Apple deals with Verizon the only way they will get an iPhone will be a, and I love how you put it Londonrockz568, "HOSED" verson. Hell, that's all they deserve.

[Picazzo]

I don't mind the iPhone to be smaller - I don't need the areas around the screen (top and bottom..)

[bass_lover1]

Given bandwidth constraints, would a smaller screen equate to smaller resolution video, and less data transfer over the air?

Not really. The GPU will still do all the scaling either up or down, to fit full screen. When you download a movie, there aren't versions for specific screen resolutions, your computer's GPU scales it accordingly.

[mr.reggaeton72]

I don't mind the iPhone to be smaller - I don't need the areas around the screen (top and bottom..)


well, the area on the bottom of the phone, is where you have the home button, and the top part of the phone is where the auto brigthness sensor is, where the receiver for phone calls is, and where the proximity sensor is, so pretty much, you need them there wether you want it or not...

[Picazzo]

well, the area on the bottom of the phone, is where you have the home button, and the top part of the phone is where the auto brigthness sensor is, where the receiver for phone calls is, and where the proximity sensor is, so pretty much, you need them there wether you want it or not...The "Home button" could go on the side, the sensor...that's more difficult...:ok:ok

[mr.reggaeton72]

The "Home button" could go on the side, the sensor...that's more difficult...:ok:ok

a home button on the side ?, WTF, lol, thats funny, how will it feel having a home button where the volume keys are but on other other side ?

[Picazzo]

a home button on the side ?, WTF, lol, thats funny, how will it feel having a home button where the volume keys are but on other other side ?Try and hold your iPhone in your right hand...check where you thumb are...that's the place I would like to put the "Home button"...:dft012:wink

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

What about the left hand?

[Youngbinks]

I still think an iPhone Mini would be fun at times.


I have a ton of VZW friends that are just salivating at the thought of iPhone going CDMA.

[Picazzo]

What about the left hand?For you N.P - just pick a finger from your left hand you like to use for the "Home button"...:dft010:smiling

[danipoak]

Try and hold your iPhone in your right hand...check where you thumb are...that's the place I would like to put the "Home button"...:dft012:wink

I remember you brought up this home button business awhile back without much success. The way I hold my phone my thumb is frequently right where the home button is now. I think most people like it where it's at. I'd hate it on the side.

[Londonrockz568]

well, the area on the bottom of the phone, is where you have the home button, and the top part of the phone is where the auto brigthness sensor is, where the receiver for phone calls is, and where the proximity sensor is, so pretty much, you need them there wether you want it or not...

I suggest you take a look at the phone again.

Currently, the space between the top of the screen rectangle and the output speaker for calls is empty and there are no brightness/proximity sensors there. Its essentially free space and when apple adjusts the innards of the device with upcoming generations it will fit if based off the current form factor.

Heres a picture to make it crystal clear to your error of "it needing to be there want it or not". It can/has be there, but where it goes is adjustable.
iPhone 3G Brightness and Proximity Sensor
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Iphone3gsensors.jpg/600px-Iphone3gsensors.jpg)
It can be moved, It has been moved from the original location on the V1 to its current place on the 3G. It can be moved again.

The Home button can be moved down about a fraction of a millimeter OR even made just a little smaller.

The sides of the space between the screen and chrome bezel can also be lessened.

If you take into account all of the gains from each side, its quite noticeable.

[mr.reggaeton72]

I remember you brought up this home button business awhile back without much success. The way I hold my phone my thumb is frequently right where the home button is now. I think most people like it where it's at. I'd hate it on the side.

yea me to, cause the shape of the iphone, is made to be, the thumb on the home button, and the rest of the hand of the back, at least its how i hold it, and everybody else holds it, what about you ?

[Hawk]

I mentioned this in another post: I was in the elevator with the Verizon rep that works in our building (they have taken over managing out network) I had my iPhone in my hand and said "Don't look, it's an iPhone!, but then again, you guys will have one soon enough." She said, "yes, we have the Droid".
Me- "No, I'm talking about Verizon having an iPhone. I know one is coming."
her- "Well, yes, that should be happening soon enough."
Me- "Are they making it smaller for you guys? I mean there is a rumor that there is one with a 2.8" screen in the works"
Her- "Well, it has to be different from the original"
Me- "There is a rumor that it will be CDMA AND GSM. You don't happen to know, do you?
Her- "No, but I would love that because I travel internationally a lot for vacations. I hope it is dual network."

So take that for what it's worth, but expect an announcement sometime in the next 3-4 months, if not sooner.....

[Eragon]

I mentioned this in another post: I was in the elevator with the Verizon rep that works in our building (they have taken over managing out network) I had my iPhone in my hand and said "Don't look, it's an iPhone!, but then again, you guys will have one soon enough." She said, "yes, we have the Droid".
Me- "No, I'm talking about Verizon having an iPhone. I know one is coming."
her- "Well, yes, that should be happening soon enough."
Me- "Are they making it smaller for you guys? I mean there is a rumor that there is one with a 2.8" screen in the works"
Her- "Well, it has to be different from the original"
Me- "There is a rumor that it will be CDMA AND GSM. You don't happen to know, do you?
Her- "No, but I would love that because I travel internationally a lot for vacations. I hope it is dual network."

So take that for what it's worth, but expect an announcement sometime in the next 3-4 months, if not sooner.....

I would expect at WWDC 2010 in June.

[Hawk]

I would expect at WWDC 2010 in June.
Probably, going by tradition. I just want to know if this will be a Verizon phone, will there be an AT&T one as well.

[Tinman]

I mentioned this in another post: I was in the elevator with the Verizon rep that works in our building (they have taken over managing out network) I had my iPhone in my hand and said "Don't look, it's an iPhone!, but then again, you guys will have one soon enough." She said, "yes, we have the Droid".
Me- "No, I'm talking about Verizon having an iPhone. I know one is coming."
her- "Well, yes, that should be happening soon enough."
Me- "Are they making it smaller for you guys? I mean there is a rumor that there is one with a 2.8" screen in the works"
Her- "Well, it has to be different from the original"
Me- "There is a rumor that it will be CDMA AND GSM. You don't happen to know, do you?
Her- "No, but I would love that because I travel internationally a lot for vacations. I hope it is dual network."

So take that for what it's worth, but expect an announcement sometime in the next 3-4 months, if not sooner.....

About the only thing she did was mirror what you told her. A monkey could have done that. In other words, you prolly knew more than her. lol


--
Mike

[psylichon]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd be impressed with a talkin' monkey. :ok:ok

[Tinman]

Sumting tells me I shoulda went wit da parrot. ;)


--
Mike

[firewire]

Probably, going by tradition. I just want to know if this will be a Verizon phone, will there be an AT&T one as well.
A lot of people will be expecting another iphone next summer, no matter what service they have. Their releases have been pretty regular so far and many people hoping for a new iphone may just move on to a whole different phone if a new one is not available summer 2010.

[Eragon]

Here's an interesting article from the Wall St Journal:

A report from research outfit OTR today says that Apple’s quietly, finally, contracted out assembly for a Verizon-compatible iPhone that they say is likely to hit in the second half of next year. They’re likely dead on.
When I used to run a tech-centric hedge fund, I read every OTR report that came across my desk, as they deliver objective data and information and quotes from their sources, which run deep into the technology world, but doesn’t include that illegal insider information stuff that the SEC is rightly cracking down with their Galleon charges and whatnot. Despite the SEC finally getting in gear and going after clear examples of insider trading in which the players themselves were actively sneaking around trying to avoid putting off any scents of their misdeeds, not all information is illegal. Indeed, calling around to talk to company’s sales people about how their individual sales goals are trending and visiting suppliers to your company and reading every report you can get your hands on about your company and its industry is both legal and important if you’re going to be a money manager full time.
And when you take a step back and look at what the information and marketplace are telling you, it’s pretty clear that AT&T could lose its exclusivity contract with Apple for the iPhone sooner rather than later.
Here’s five reasons why you’ll be able to buy an Apple iPhone from Verizon for Christmas 2010:
1. AT&T’s network coverage is hurting Apple’s brand. I have an AT&T Blackberry Curve that Fox Business gave me and I can tell you that I don’t even bother to use it as a phone EVER since I also have a Verizon Blackberry Curve that actually works when I try to call people on it. The AT&T network does provide crystal-clear coverage on top of our mountain ranch land in NM where the cows outnumber the people. Not sure why that’s good for Apple’s brand though, considering I can’t even take a call from inside my downtown NYC apartment on AT&T’s network.
2. Apple wants the iPhone to become as de facto a standard as iTunes has, and in order to do that, the iPhone needs to be carrier-neutral. When a company’s products become de facto standards, you get the wild economies of scale that drive huge margins like you see in, say, Microsoft’s Windows business, which is clearly a de facto standard even to this day, and which results in 99% gross margins. Apple’s iPhone won’t ever have gross margins of 99% since its hardware and not the zero-cost reproduction costs of software, but guess what does have 99% gross margins for Apple? Yup, all the software and apps that run on the iPhone. Give away the razors, charge for the blades.
3. Apple needs network distribution diversification. That is, they need to bet on other technologies than AT&T’s GSM-based technology. It was brilliant to start with GSM and AT&T as most of the rest of the developed world’s wireless networks are built on GSM-based standards and therefore the iPhone that Apple started with was able to be instantly rolled out to other countries without much, if any, hardware or sourcing differences. That economy of scale thing again worked here. But now Apple can, and will, gain bigger economies of scale by bringing out an iPhone that will work on any network, including CDMA-based networks like Verizon’s. Oh, and LTE, the next generation of wireless broadband that Verizon will be building on top of its CDMA-based network is going to further the distance between AT&T’s shoddy network and Verizon’s best of show network.
4. Qualcomm’s got new chips rolling out that make it easy for Apple to tweak the components of the iPhone so that a CDMA-based and GSM-based iPhones would be almost interchangeable. Economies of scale gained by improved technology. Again.
And here’s a surprising “Flip It” idea for you:
5. AT&T has been subsidizing, straight out of their cash flow, and at current prices that’s probably costing them somewhere between $200 to $500 per iPhone in order to be able to offer the phone at the price points it does here in the U.S. AT&T pays Apple billions to keep that iPhone exclusive. That iPhone subsidy’s probably double what Verizon and AT&T and the other carriers subsidize to the other hand set vendors like Blackberry. In that sense, now that AT&T’s got a huge iPhone army in place, if they can keep their churn to low levels, it’s likely the company can actually see its cash flow, EBITDA and earnings numbers expand in part because they’d be cutting back on the subsidies and payouts to Apple.
And so how do you trade off all this analysis? Apple’s continuing to position itself to see its margins and earnings expand for years as they become ever more reliant on higher margin apps and software because of the success they’re having in making their lower-margin hardware the de facto standards today. Stick with Apple, though I still think there’ll be another opportunity to buy it at lower levels than its $200 print here as the stock markets get extended here again. Technicians might tell you there’s some resistance above $200 for Apple too.
And as for Verizon and AT&T, I remain very concerned about the outsized debt loads they each carry. They’ve each borrowed tens of billions of dollars to roll out their networks and now they each have billions of dollars of debt coming due in the next few years. Cash flow at each company is great and more than covers their dividends and expenditures lately, but that debt sure has me worried.
Owning stocks like Apple with tens of billions of dollars of cash and no debt sure helps me rest easier than hoping stocks like AT&T and Verizon don’t run into any financial problems. Remember when the auto companies like GM and Ford used to tell you that borrowing tens of billions of dollars wouldn’t be any big deal. It was. That debt’s gonna matter at AT&T and Verizon someday too. Those yields on their stocks, which are paying three times treasuries will pay you to wait. But the upside’s not hopeful enough at either to make me think I’d be waiting for much of anything but more worry about their debt and if that dividend is sustainable for the next five years.
Upshot - Verizon to get iPhone for Xmas 2010. Apple has a good outlook and good balance sheet. Verizon and AT&T have decent outlooks but horrid balance sheets. Stick with Apple. Avoid Verizon and AT&T.

[Eragon]

Additional evidence pointing to the introduction of a Verizon Wireless iPhone has surfaced, although reports differ in how Apple is expected to bring its smartphone to the CDMA carrier.

This morning, CDMA inventor Qualcomm announced (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/200911120730PR_NEWS_USPR_____LA10049.htm) official plans to release new dual-carrier chips that would enable future phones to work on both its own CDMA/EVDO carrier partners such as Verizon and Sprint, as well as rival 3GPP carriers using UMTS/HSPA+ technologies such as AT&T and T-Mobile. The new chips also provide future support for LTE, the next generation 3GPP standard that most carriers plan to begin testing for deployment globally over the next few years.

However, an analyst has cited sources within Qualcomm in stating that although the company would like to have a dual-mode handset ready in 2010, that would likely be impossible. Ashok Kumar, an analyst with Northeast Securities, told AppleInsider that a dual-mode iPhone from Apple wouldn't exist until 2011 at the earliest.

Kumar said what Qualcomm wants and what they can do are two different things. In order for a dual-mode iPhone to launch in the summer of 2010, such a device would have to be in field trial today.

"They're nowhere near that," he said.

Kumar said he believes it would be a "stretch" for Apple to introduce a dual-mode CDMA/EVDO and UMTS phone in 2010. Instead, he expects a CDMA-only phone specifically made for Verizon Wireless, the largest mobile carrier in the U.S., to debut in the second half of next year.

Kumar's research note was also cited in a report (http://gigaom.com/2009/11/11/verizon-to-launch-an-iphone-next-year/) by GigaOm, which presented his conclusion as being that "Apple will launch a WCDMA/CDMA2000-enabled version of the device — not an LTE version — through Verizon by the summer of 2010."

Last week, AppleInsider cited a report (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/06/report_apple_to_launch_verizon_iphone_in_q3_2010.h tml) that said that a Verizon-compatible "worldmode" iPhone would launch by Q3 2010, capable of working on both CDMA/EVDO and UMTS mobile networks. Qualcomm's press release states that it will be sampling advanced new dual-carrier HSPA+ and Multi-Mode 3G/LTE chipsets for launch in the second half of 2010, suggesting that such a product would be easy to deliver.

However, in an interview with AppleInsider Thursday, Kumar said, "Technically I think it will be a stretch to have both UMTS and CDMA, because not only do you have hardware issues in terms of the baseband, but also software issues. Eventually they will probably get there [with the iPhone], but that's probably a 2011 story, not a 2010 story."

According to Kumar's sources, the worldmode chip technology isn't currently available for prototype phones being built in anticipation of manufacturing for a summer 2010 debut. In addition, he said, any new chipsets would have a prohibitively high cost.

"It's very likely they're trying to hit a low price point, maybe a $99 price point," Kumar said of a potential Verizon iPhone.

If things turn out as his sources expect, Kumar said Verizon and Apple hope to hit the market with a new CDMA-only iPhone model by late summer or early fall.

"Trying to do a world phone in that time frame would be impossible," he said.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/12/conflicting_reports_within_qualcomm_suggest_verizo n_only_iphone.html

[BrownGem]

Verizon has a great network here..and apparently most other places too lol. I haven't seen many of you say you would jump ship to Verizon though. I agree with not wanting a smaller device. Those of us with old eyes ...blink...need ..um...something we can see!
I wonder if Verizon's doubling of the ETF would also be a deterrent. I think iPhone users would still pay a premium price to own it on V but also being happier with stronger coverage and signal.

[psylichon]

I wouldn't want to move to an iPhone that can't do simultaneous voice and data. I stream in the car all the time now and couldn't imagine going back to V1-era limitations.

[Krunk83]

And you know they would stamp that ridiculous verizon symbol on the front of the phone. Just look at the Droid and other of their phones. Very tacky I think. I like the regular iphone because it is very plan and simple. Not sure if moving to verizon just for better service is worth it when they will probably put more restrictions on it than Apple does already.

[firewire]

And you know they would stamp that ridiculous verizon symbol on the front of the phone. Just look at the Droid and other of their phones. Very tacky I think. I like the regular iphone because it is very plan and simple. Not sure if moving to verizon just for better service is worth it when they will probably put more restrictions on it than Apple does already.
I remember having a Blackberry 8890 (?) with Verizon before the first iphone was released and they had disabled the GPS chip on the device. I mean you got to be f8cking kidding me. Verzion has some balls when it comes to crippling hardware/software and making cosmetic changes to their liking. This is pretty much the exact opposite of how Apple operates with their products. If Verizon wants an iphone they are going to have to bow to an outside company (Apple) for a change instead of the usual cell phone makers bending over backwards to satisfy Verizon's draconian restrictions.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Verizon should bend over for Apple, because they'll sell millions of iPhones.