Blackra1n RC3

[mr.reggaeton72]

what is it ?, i know its a jailbreak, but what changes prior the last version, the one that screwed me up.. i see a lot of people excited about it, and its giving me some thoughs if i should try it, after all, i do got a brand new iphone 3g, nothing can go wrong...

should i try it ?


and if it works, ill take back everything i said about blackra1n sucking, and what will happen if i see geohot on the street,

so, should i try it ?, has it failed for anyone yet ?

[Krunk83]

Works fine dude. It's jailbreak, unlock for 3.1.2.

[mr.reggaeton72]

did you use it already, ?

[Krunk83]

Dude, there is a whole post about it here (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-modifications/blacksn0w-its-here-57192.html) with 175 replies. Do some homework!

[mr.reggaeton72]

Dude, there is a whole post about it here (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-modifications/blacksn0w-its-here-57192.html) with 175 replies. Do some homework!

ok thanks for the post

but you didnt answer my question, did you use it ?

[mr.reggaeton72]

Omg.........

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

ok thanks for the post

but you didnt answer my question, did you use it ?

If you read the thread he linked to, particularly the fifth page, you will see that Krunk83 got it working after some initial difficulties.

[iNinja]

The original blackra1n also worked for the most part - so maybe you shouldnt try it ;)

[mr.reggaeton72]

ok guys, after viewing several dozens of videos on youtube on how to jailbreak with RC3, and after reading almost every post that had to do with blackra1n here, i've decided to give it a try,

i hope the lord himself is with me, wish me luck guys :033:praying

[juls1585]

i thought you swore up and down you would never use any more of geos products. why would you try now after what blackra1n "did" to your other iphone.

if it doesnt work please dont make a post about how horrible his product is again

[KabaModern]

Well said, juls....

[mr.reggaeton72]

ok, i jailbroke my phone, after the 2nd try, the first time, it just stayed with the itunes logo and USB, i was afraid because this was the same problem that i had with my first iphone, then i rebooted my phone and it started normally, then i tried it again, and it jailbroke,

users from EIC, im sorry for all my shouting that i did, i know i can be a PITA sometimes, but i get really frustrated when stuff dont work out for me, as you all know, you would have done the same thing, if you would have the same problem that i had, were my iphone was completly useless as it would not sync with any computer,

and also, i would like to thank all the users that responded all my post, trying to help me out with the problem that i had on my first iphone, Krunk83, Europa, iphone warrior, free time, dturner, ZR_nancy, Woofus, KabaModern, between others, you all gave me suggestions on how to fix my iphone, it didnt work, but i really appreciated it..

last but not least, im sorry GeoHot, i did take it VERY PERSONAL when your software left me to restore my iphone more than 50 times to get it working, but at the end, it restored, but it didnt want to sync with itunes, which left me on an uncontrolable rage to kick your butt if i saw you on the street, at this point, it doesnt matter if your software messed up my hardware or not, the important part is that i was very satisfy using blackra1n this time, as it did jailbrake my phone on the second try...

i know i will get responses from users saying, REGGAETON YOU SAID YOU WERE NEVER GOING TO JAILBRAKE YOUR PHONE AGAIN USING BLACKRA1N...

i know what i said guys trust me, and trust me that i spent more then 2 hours making the decision if i was going to jailbrake my phone using blackra1n or not, as i did not want to leave my phone on an unusuable state like my last iphone, but it did work,

so thank you guys for everything, and again,(im not very good apologizing to people), my bad geohot, for all the things that i said what will happen if i saw you on the street, now, if i see you on the street, i will say, thank you,(but i will mention that you left me to restore my phone more than 50 times prior to working), but the thing is, that is working now...

[Europa]

I'm glad to hear that it worked for you. :)

[mr.reggaeton72]

I'm glad to hear that it worked for you. :)

thank you Ms. Europa

here are some pics of the theme that i have, and the apps i downloaded from cydia

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5895/img0023i.png

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9463/img0024h.png


any other suggested apps, please tell me all of them Ms.Europa, i want to get the maximum out of this jailbreak

[Europa]

Yes, I have several recommendations. I'll make a list for you when I get home.

[mr.reggaeton72]

Yes, I have several recommendations. I'll make a list for you when I get home.


thank you, will be waiting for the list...:D

[nbdiver]

Guys/Gals, this might be a dumb question but how can you tell the difference between RC1, 2 or 3? I downloaded RC1 right when Geohot released it but have not JB my phone yet. then I saw 2 and 3 come out so I downloaded again of Geohots website and just overwrote the old .exe file. I have not seen anything to indicate which version it is so can I assume since I downloaded blackra1n off Geohots site the day he released RC3 that I have that version?? Thanks for any clarification.

[Europa]

thank you, will be waiting for the list...:D
Backgrounder, Chronus, Five Icon Dock, Flashlight, FontSwap, iFile, Insomnia, MakeItMine, MivTones, mQuickDo, Orbit, QuickReply for SMS, Safari Download Manager, SBSettings, 3Gunrestrictor, Universal Search, Winterboard, and YourTube.

[mr.reggaeton72]

Guys/Gals, this might be a dumb question but how can you tell the difference between RC1, 2 or 3? I downloaded RC1 right when Geohot released it but have not JB my phone yet. then I saw 2 and 3 come out so I downloaded again of Geohots website and just overwrote the old .exe file. I have not seen anything to indicate which version it is so can I assume since I downloaded blackra1n off Geohots site the day he released RC3 that I have that version?? Thanks for any clarification.

the RC1 was the first release, the RC2 was a bug fix with a huge amount of upgrades, and the RC3 was a bug fix, as well as an unlock tool for your iphone,

[iNinja]

Has vibrus been fixed now?? Didnt think it worked right through the 2.x firmware?

[juls1585]

Backgrounder, Chronus, Five Icon Dock, Flashlight, FontSwap, iFile, Insomnia, MakeItMine, MivTones, mQuickDo, Orbit, QuickReply for SMS, Safari Download Manager, SBSettings, 3Gunrestrictor, Universal Search, Winterboard, and YourTube.

i wrote most of these down to download and check out as well. thank you

[Europa]

You're welcome. I also recommend Bluff My Call, if you are into pranks that entail disguising your voice and spoofing a phone number.

[juls1585]

one thing ive been looking for is like a dark sms theme. my iphone has a dark background and the transfer from that to the white is blinding. any suggestions?

edit: i bought quickreply sms and it works like a charm. :) first cydia purchase its kind of exciting.

[Tinman]

Backgrounder, Chronus, Five Icon Dock, Flashlight, FontSwap, iFile, Insomnia, MakeItMine, MivTones, mQuickDo, Orbit, QuickReply for SMS, Safari Download Manager, SBSettings, 3Gunrestrictor, Universal Search, Winterboard, and YourTube.

Chronus? What version do you have? The version I see hasn't been updated in a year. I use pkgbackup.

I also HATE mquikdo. It seems to go against everything I like about the iPhone: ease of of use and intuitive behavior.

OTOH I can see reggae dude going nuts trying to figure out mquickdo, so there is that. Lol. :)


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Mike

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Chronus and PkgBackup each does different things. Chronus backs up non-jailbreak apps, and PkgBackup takes care of the jailbroken/Cydia apps.

[Europa]

mQuickDo is working fine for me now. The passcode lock was the source of all the problems I was having with it. I like it. PkgBackup is just for Cydia apps, Chronus is for Stock and App Store apps. I have it, and have some stuff backup up with it, but I haven't restored those backups yet.

[Tinman]

Chronus and PkgBackup each does different things. Chronus backs up non-jailbreak apps, and PkgBackup takes care of the jailbroken/Cydia apps.

I know what Chronus does, my query was about the version. The version I see on Cydia now is from December, 2008, and is for firmware 2.x.

Personally, I don't see much need to backup app store apps since iTunes does it. I do use pkgbackup combined with SBOrganizer though.


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Mike

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I know what Chronus does, my query was about the version. The version I see on Cydia now is from December, 2008, and is for firmware 2.x.

Personally, I don't see much need to backup app store apps since iTunes does it. I do use pkgbackup combined with SBOrganizer though.


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Mike

I use Chronus to back up the current state of the apps. iTunes only backs up the apps themselves.

[juls1585]

I use Chronus to back up the current state of the apps. iTunes only backs up the apps themselves.

so basically if you have one of those mob games it backs up where you are in your game. when i got my phone replaced i lost all my stuff when i transfered everything over. it would have backed it up? i was so sad i lost my 17 mil an hour. only way i would be rich was in that game :(

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

so basically if you have one of those mob games it backs up where you are in your game. when i got my phone replaced i lost all my stuff when i transfered everything over. it would have backed it up? i was so sad i lost my 17 mil an hour. only way i would be rich was in that game :(

That's right. You can either email all the backups to yourself (a real pain) or you can SSH into your iPhone (/private/var/mobile/Library/Preferences/TimeCapsule) and copy them to your home computer.

[juls1585]

That's right. You can either email all the backups to yourself (a real pain) or you can SSH into your iPhone (/private/var/mobile/Library/Preferences/TimeCapsule) and copy them to your home computer.

thats awesome. im gunna have to do that tonight. thank god i found you guys otherwise id be a lost iphone person without any knowledge of the full ability of a jailbroken phone!

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

thats awesome. im gunna have to do that tonight. thank god i found you guys otherwise id be a lost iphone person without any knowledge of the full ability of a jailbroken phone!

We all had to learn somewhere...

I'm still learning.

[juls1585]

We all had to learn somewhere...

I'm still learning.

thats very true! this is why i love this place.

[Tinman]

I use Chronus to back up the current state of the apps. iTunes only backs up the apps themselves.

Incorrect. iTunes does indeed back up app settings, including Cydia apps. It's when one chooses to setup as new that they are not restored (duh). I always restore from a backup and have always had all of my apps' settings restored.


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Mike

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I always restore as new, so my point is valid in that respect. And I've never had iTunes back up my Cydia apps.

[lamls]

You all seem to know a lot about the various apps out there. Anyone use Status Notifier or Reminder Notifier? Any difference between the two?

Also, any app to increase vibrate? I read some threads about asVibra2 but didn't find it in Cydia.

Finally - no such luck with somehow getting a LED indicator when you have messages? (I'm a recent Blackberry converter and hate having to hit the home screen to see if i have missed messages!)

[iNinja]

iTunes never backs up my Cydia apps either. However, I can arrange them now in iTunes, which is nice.

[Tinman]

I always restore as new, so my point is valid in that respect. And I've never had iTunes back up my Cydia apps.

ITunes does indeed backup Cydia apps' settings, no doubt about it. Always has. Of course it doesn't backup Cydia apps themselves, but the settings themselves are backed up. That is why, if you restored from a backup but did not jailbreak again, it's rather trivial to determine that the iPhone had in fact been jailbroken in the past.

Pkgbackup backs up cydia apps.



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Mike


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Mike

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Sorry, Mike, but I'm not buying it.

[Europa]

It's irrelevant to me. I don't restore from backups after jailbreaking.

[psylichon]

ITunes does indeed backup Cydia apps' settings, no doubt about it. Always has. Of course it doesn't backup Cydia apps themselves, but the settings themselves are backed up.

I'm confused. You're saying if I backup my jailbroken phone in iTunes right now, then restore to stock and rejailbreak, then download all my Cydia apps again and sync, the JB app settings will be restored?

I'm not saying your wrong, I've just never heard anyone claim this.

[Tinman]

I'm confused. You're saying if I backup my jailbroken phone in iTunes right now, then restore to stock and rejailbreak, then download all my Cydia apps again and sync, the JB app settings will be restored?

I'm not saying your wrong, I've just never heard anyone claim this.

Well, perhaps some of the folks here don't know it but I'll leave that at that. ;) ;)

Here's the deal, the plists located in /var/mobile/Library/Preferences are ALL backed up by iTunes. They are in turn ALL restored by iTunes during a restore. iTunes backup doesn't discriminate when backing up preferences and never has.

I've attached a screen-shot to prove it. That screen-shot is a portion of my current /var/mobile/Library/Preferences folder. Anyone can go check that folder on their own. They will see their jailbreak app plists there too.

http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5724&stc=1&d=1257465935

Note the entry for Nikotalkie I haven't used that app in two years, as evidenced by the plist dates. How did the plists get there? Because I have always restored from a backup, for over two years now. ALL of my settings come back, even jailbreak app settings. And to be clear, there were no app store apps back in 2007 since there was no app store. And there certainly were no apps to backup settings, jailbreak apps or otherwise.

Now note the plist for SBSettings. It is backed up and restored by iTunes too. I didn't have to do a thing to restore my SBSettings settings, iTunes did it. Inside the plist is all that SBSettings needs. Nothing magical here, it is just the way it works.

I suspect the ignorance stems from the fact that many people blindly "restore as new" thinking it is saving them from God-knows-what.

Well, I have been restoring from a backup since 2007. Through all of the firmware updates, jailbreaks included, my iPhone has never gone crazy, turned into a brick, or done any other mysterious things that many attribute to not restoring as new. And better yet I have never lost any settings, jailbreak apps included.

And, for that matter, my prefs have been restored between iPhones too, since I moved from the original iPhone to a 3GS.

That NikoTalkie app has never even been on my 3GS. Yet its settings are... all due to iTunes. And for the record they would be there even if I did not jailbreak, but did restore from iTunes. Those "remnants" are a sure-fire way to tell if an iPhone had been previously jailbroken. That is why you SHOULD indeed restore as new if taking in a previously jailbroken iPhone to an Apple Store, or sending it in for service. But that's about the only time I'd do it.

The only downside is I have some settings hanging around for apps I don't use. That all takes up less space than one single photo (much less). And, should I reinstall an app the settings are still there.

I only showed a portion of the folder in the above screen-shot. It of course also contains prefs for the built-in and app store apps too.

Now, obviously one must pay attention to how they restore. If you restore from an iTunes backup and THEN install your jb apps there is a chance that a default plist will overwrite the restored copy. Many apps though, during the install process, will not overwrite existing settings. Regardless, it's better to reinstall the jailbreak apps first, then do your iTunes restore.



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Mike

[Krunk83]

Interesting. So when you update your firmware or whatever and return to back up do you have to jailbreak again or does the backup load the jb?

[bass_lover1]

Interesting. So when you update your firmware or whatever and return to back up do you have to jailbreak again or does the backup load the jb?

Of course you would have to re-jailbreak. All he's claiming is that after a JB, even his JB apps' settings are restored.

[Tinman]

Interesting. So when you update your firmware or whatever and return to back up do you have to jailbreak again or does the backup load the jb?

No... the backup does not reload the j/b. You need to do that again, and the process is almost always different when the firmware changes.



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Mike

[Europa]

Damn, this is just a few hours too late. I just spent 3+ hours restoring and setting up from scratch. After seeing this, I would have tried restoring from a backup, Mike.
Next time...
Thanks for the info.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I might try it later, Mindi.

[Europa]

You're "the man", Kev!

[Krunk83]

This is great info! Thanks tinman, I'll have to try this the next time I have to do a restore!

[Krunk83]

Damn, this is just a few hours too late. I just spent 3+ hours restoring and setting up from scratch. After seeing this, I would have tried restoring from a backup, Mike.
Next time...
Thanks for the info.

Sometimes I like doing this. It's like a project for me. LOL. Plus, I can make some changes if I was sick of my old look.:dft012:wink

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

You're "the man", Kev!

You're only saying that because it's true...

[Tinman]

Oh yay, as if you hadn't heard enough, I'll bore you some more! :dft003:coolkid:dft003:coolkid

The current method that iTunes uses to backup the iPhone uses two types of files, .mdinfo and .mddata, in pairs. You can see these files in any of your iTunes backup folders. In Windows, the folders are located here:

...\Application Data\Apple Computer\MobileSync\Backup\

I won't REALLY bore you with what these files are in detail, but suffice to say they are in fact binary plist files. They hold all of the backup information that is gathered and used by iTunes. All of it.

All of the plists that I noted in my previous message end up in the backup folder, as .mddata files. (And then some, as such things as camera roll photos end up there too, but I digress...)

So let's take a look at two of them...

I've attached two that are from Backgrounder, coincidentally a Cydia app (;)). These came right out of one of my recent backup folders, created by iTunes itself.

I've converted the data file to XML and renamed both of them as info.txt and data.txt so they can be attached here. The original names were f65247c327cdd6062d0985e22c33cf658ed3fff4.mdinfo and .mddata. Yuck.

The info.txt file is holding the name and location of Backgrounder's plist file. Don't be alarmed by the term "greylist" as it is used for all files, not just jailbreak app files.

Within the second file, data.txt, we see the actual data contained in backgrounder's plist itself. And for clarity "plist" means "preference list."

That plist contains my settings for Backgrounder. You can see I have animations enabled, badges enabled, and badges enabled, etc. Essentially every single setting that I can change within backgrounder is contained within that plist. And the plist I grabbed from iTunes own backup folder.

Is it really that far-fetched for iTunes, during a restore, to return these files, that itself backed up, from whence they came? Of course not. It's been doing it since the iPhone was released. (It hasn't always used the same process to do so, but that's a discussion for another day.)

So I hope I have explained how this "mysterious" behavior occurs. In truth it's not mysterious at all.



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Mike

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I'm going to give your way a try in a few minutes, Mike. If it turns out you're right, I'll give you a big public apology in this thread.

[Europa]

Well, how did it go, Kev?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I'm still working on it. At one point, iTunes stopped recognizing my iPhone, so I'm restoring it right now.

[Europa]

That sucks, so late at night.
Good luck.

Are you restoring from back up again?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I just restored to stock again.

[Europa]

This is not good news for Mike.

[psylichon]

Probably unrelated. I think Mike presented plenty of evidence to support his method. :)

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I'd like to see for myself.

[psylichon]

Well, I believe that it's always worked for him. And that's enough for me to try restoring my backup next time I update. Everything he's presented makes perfect sense. I've just always restored as new because it used to be sound advice and frankly it's not a big deal to me. I've always been a "fresh install" kind of person, but it's not something worth being religious about. :ok:ok

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

But I want to see for myself whether or not the current states of jailbroken apps are restored with the backup.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Well, I'm finally done with my little experiment, and Mike...

You appear to be right - damn it. :ok:ok

Please accept my sincerest apologies for ever having doubted you.

God, I hate this. :dft010:smiling

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/Gathomblipoob/Grovel.jpg

[Europa]

Cool, glad it worked.
I'll do this next time I restore.

[Tinman]

Thanks for checking it out, Nap. A lot of people would have backed away from actually testing it.

I would like to point out though that I was merely showing how it actually works and that it works for me.

This doesn't mean I am asserting that it is right for everyone. In particular, if you are a big mod fan, and theme everything, some of that stuff could come back when you don't want it to. Your only option at that point is to restore as new.

And I should point out that I am lazy. If there is a faster way of doing something, that is "good enough," I'm a gonna take it. :)



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Mike

[Europa]

Good point. I usually disable all themes right before restoring anyway. Now I'll just be sure to do a backup right after disabling them all.