Man I'm pissed about the headphone jack issue

[SingleDouble]

Apple releases the iPhone with an entirely same-looking earpiece hole which is ENTIRELY different from the normal one on every other ipod, and doesn't allow the ZILLIONS of people with third party headphones to actually use said hole without a stupid, crappy hard-to-get adaptor???

Man, that pisses me off. How about you???

I also HATE that the ipod-plug-into-car solution which works so seamlesslesly for my OTHER ipod (oh yea, bought 'em all Steve--didn't I spend enough???) doesn't work for the iphone. Why why why why?

And the boards are littered with people who don't know how to get their iphone to plug into their in-car stereo.

For all the love for the iphone, lots of hate mixed in for me having to waste precious time figuring out a zillion things to make this thing actually worth the $600. Why complicate things for people? When will tech makers realize I don't have all day every day to figure out how to do simple things. argggh.

[ColsTiger]

It's a $10 adapter. Is that gonna break you? You can spend $100 for aftermarket headphones but $10 is too much. By Christmas every headset manufacturer will have iphone compatible headsets.

As far as the car connection, this is completely different than anything they've offered before. This is a frickin radio. It's not gonna work with another radio the same way an ipod works.

[SingleDouble]

It's a $10 adapter. Is that gonna break you? You can spend $100 for aftermarket headphones but $10 is too much. By Christmas every headset manufacturer will have iphone compatible headsets.

As far as the car connection, this is completely different than anything they've offered before. This is a frickin radio. It's not gonna work with another radio the same way an ipod works.

You don't get it. The question is why? Why did Apple need to complicate existing users lives with a jack hole that looks the same but is totally different? Have you read any of the unhappiness all over the web about this? Have you seen the $10 adaptor? It's like having a pencil attached to your iphone.

As for your radio comment, wrong. I have a simple RCA jack that plugs into the car's aux. More than 5 million cars have this aux input designed specifically for the ipod. Now Steve says "ooops, sorry, we're changing the input, just because."

I love the iphone, hate all the work I have to do to make it fit with my life.

[ColsTiger]

You don't get it. The question is why? Why did Apple need to complicate existing users lives with a jack hole that looks the same but is totally different? Have you read any of the unhappiness all over the web about this? Have you seen the $10 adaptor? It's like having a pencil attached to your iphone.

As for your radio comment, wrong. I have a simple RCA jack that plugs into the car's aux. More than 5 million cars have this aux input designed specifically for the ipod. Now Steve says "ooops, sorry, we're changing the input, just because."

I love the iphone, hate all the work I have to do to make it fit with my life.

I get it. I understand you're unhappy, but with new technology must come new accessories. If you want aftermarket accessories, you'll have to either buy some new ones that are compatible or either go with the adapter. One adapter by the way is not the pencil looking thing. actually it is a flexible wire that doesn't even stick out farther than your normal headset plug.

As far as the car audio jack, what's he supposed to do. Call everybody at their house and make sure it works for every different size and shape. Nope.

[Errk!]

You don't get it. The question is why? Why did Apple need to complicate existing users lives with a jack hole that looks the same but is totally different?

Isn't it to accommodate the microphone built into the new earbuds?

[Woofus]

[quote=SingleDouble;52089]
As for your radio comment, wrong. I have a simple RCA jack that plugs into the car's aux. More than 5 million cars have this aux input designed specifically for the ipod. Now Steve says "ooops, sorry, we're changing the input, just because."
quote]

I took a Dremmel tool to my cable...a piece of sandpaper, scissors or an exacto knife will work also.

Trim off about an 1/8 of an inch of the cable end and Voila! Problem solved.

No fuss, no muss, works again with the car stereo. :D

[ColsTiger]

Isn't it to accommodate the microphone built into the new earbuds?

Not really. I think they just wanted to maintain the lines on the edge of the phone. Of course the new aftermarket headsets will probably come with an inline mic. Doesn't make much sense to have an iPhone and not be able to answer an incoming call.

[TrippalHealicks]

Isn't it to accommodate the microphone built into the new earbuds?

No, it's not. That is done by the hardware, itself.
Ever notice the little rings around the end of the plug on headphones?
Those are actually the spots where left and right audio are carried.
The left being the one closer to the end, the right being towards the top.
If you check your iPhone earphones, there are 3. One for the microphone.
I thought at first, they built it deeper, out of need for the longer plug. Not really the case, though...

Now, if you look at the physical "construction" of the iphone, the edges are "rounded". Meaning, that if the headphone jack were flush to the end of the phone, it would probably make it a little vulnerable to wear and tear, and possibly even being snagged and popped loose from the body of the phone.
I'm just speculating at reasons for the way they chose to build it, at this point. I bought the Belkin adapter from the site, and I'm very happy with it.

By the way, for everyone that thinks the Belkin adapter is hard, it is actually flexible. Pics later.

[greenjbhsd]

I was not annoyed at all by this until I trimmed my iPhone headphones by accident. That is the danger of having 3 sets of white headphones in your desk drawer. I guess looking at them before I cut them would have been the good thing to do. Prior to cutting the ones that already fit I was not bothered. I just need to cut my ER 6i headphones now and I will be set.

[SmartAlx]

By the way, for everyone that thinks the Belkin adapter is hard, it is actually flexible. Pics later.
I don't care if it's flexible. It's a clunky solution. I have trouble enough with wired headphones tangling and coming unplugged. This adapter adds two additional weak points between my ears and the device. A2DP support would have solved everybody's problems with this issue. Plus an adapter is another $10 (minimum) they are fleecing out of our pockets. Sure it's only $10, but what, I'm supposed to be okay with giving someone $10????

The recessed jack was unnecessary. Why? Just to satisfy Apple's pride of "design".

Hey Jobs! Ever hear the phrase "form follows function?" Study it man.

I'm SERIOUSLY considering looking into modifying my iPhone so every headphone I buy in the future will fit. Why should I screw up my $300 perfectly designed headphones when the problem is the iPhone's design?

[TrippalHealicks]

I'm SERIOUSLY considering looking into modifying my iPhone so every headphone I buy in the future will fit. Why should I screw up my $300 perfectly designed headphones when the problem is the iPhone's design?

Why should you (risk) screwing up your 600$ iPhone, when you can just buy a 10$ adapter? haha

[Errk!]

Why should you (risk) screwing up your 600$ iPhone, when you can just buy a 10$ adapter? haha

Heh...I just thought the same thing.

I'd "risk" screwing up the $300 headphones over the $600 iPhone, but that's just me. :laugh2:

[JnC]

Now, if you look at the physical "construction" of the iphone, the edges are "rounded". Meaning, that if the headphone jack were flush to the end of the phone, it would probably make it a little vulnerable to wear and tear, and possibly even being snagged and popped loose from the body of the phone.
I'm just speculating at reasons for the way they chose to build it

Actually you are spot on. This is the explanation I've heard.

Although perhaps it would have been nice to make the recessed opening wider, but then it wouldn't provide support and would look odd with all of the other Apple branded iPod buds.

[crane98]

Not really. I think they just wanted to maintain the lines on the edge of the phone. Of course the new aftermarket headsets will probably come with an inline mic. Doesn't make much sense to have an iPhone and not be able to answer an incoming call.

lol. No, they wanted to make an extra 10 dollars off of half the people buying the phone. Businesses are in business to MAKE MONEY, not to help you out.

[dreamworks18]

lol. No, they wanted to make an extra 10 dollars off of half the people buying the phone. Businesses are in business to MAKE MONEY, not to help you out.

yep yep yep!!

[bllzll]

i have alot trimmed my headphone jacks so i could plug it into my car stereo and it works perfectly

[DRabbit]

Ummm....

It's a different jack THAN YOU iPOD but NOT different than many other cellphones out there. The 2.5mm jack on the iPhone is the popular size on LOTS of smartphones and cellphones, and compatible with bluetooth headsets.

They didn't do it to make you buy new headphones (duh, they included headphones with the iPhone)... they did it so people switching from ANOTHER CELLPHONE would have less issues with the headsets.

As for headphones for the iPod side, just get the adaptor ... or wait until the 3rd party companies start making stuff specifically for the iPhone.

[TrippalHealicks]

Also, I think it should be noted that it's not an "issue".
It's only an issue to you. I use the earphones provided by Apple, and am very happy with them....especially for use during calls.
These are going to be perfect for me, as my iPhone's primary use of the iPod feature, is during workouts.

[crane98]

Also, I think it should be noted that it's not an "issue".
It's only an issue to you. I use the earphones provided by Apple, and am very happy with them....especially for use during calls.
These are going to be perfect for me, as my iPhone's primary use of the iPod feature, is during workouts.

When their headphones are the only ones that will work, it's an issue. A lot of people use a cassette adapter for their car, and that won't fit either. It's an issue because they did it on purpose to make even more money from the phone.

[DRabbit]

When their headphones are the only ones that will work, it's an issue. A lot of people use a cassette adapter for their car, and that won't fit either. It's an issue because they did it on purpose to make even more money from the phone.

Uh, no, they didn't do it on purpose so you'd spend more money. Read my reply about and buy a $10 adaptor. Get over it.

[crane98]

Uh, no, they didn't do it on purpose so you'd spend more money. Read my reply about and buy a $10 adaptor. Get over it.

Right. Since they're a business, money was no motivation for this "feature". Get real. How old are you, 15? They could have easily made the jack fit all headphones, but they didn't.

[TrippalHealicks]

When their headphones are the only ones that will work, it's an issue. A lot of people use a cassette adapter for their car, and that won't fit either. It's an issue because they did it on purpose to make even more money from the phone.

Once again, it's *your* issue.
I don't have any issue with them, at all.
Yes, I had to buy an adapter to use it with our stereo input in my friend's gym, but boo-hoo. 10$. So I eat out one less time, paid for.

[crane98]

I don't have any issue with them, at all.



Yes, I had to buy an adapter

lol. wow.

[TrippalHealicks]

lol. wow.


It's not an "issue". It doesn't cause any "problem". With everything included with every single iPhone sold, every feature of the phone and iPod work JUST FINE.

[DRabbit]

Right. Since they're a business, money was no motivation for this "feature". Get real. How old are you, 15? They could have easily made the jack fit all headphones, but they didn't.

What are YOU 15? They made it the same as OTHER cellphones... so it would be compatible with bluetooth headsets. Considering many of those are purchased from 3rd party companies, it had NOTHING to do with trying to make more money. If they had made it ONLY compatible with Apple products maybe I could agree with you, but you're just being stupid over a $10 adaptor.

[TrippalHealicks]

What are YOU 15? They made it the same as OTHER cellphones... so it would be compatible with bluetooth headsets. Considering many of those are purchased from 3rd party companies, it had NOTHING to do with trying to make more money. If they had made it ONLY compatible with Apple products maybe I could agree with you, but you're just being stupid over a $10 adaptor.

An adapter he probably didn't even buy! Jesus christ! Who cares?!?! If you dont' want it, and don't like it, then don't buy it!
If you don't like the iPhone because of it, return it! Or sell it!

[crane98]

What are YOU 15? They made it the same as OTHER cellphones... so it would be compatible with bluetooth headsets. Considering many of those are purchased from 3rd party companies, it had NOTHING to do with trying to make more money. If they had made it ONLY compatible with Apple products maybe I could agree with you, but you're just being stupid over a $10 adaptor.

Like I said, it could have been designed to fit more head phones, but it wasn't. End of story.

[crane98]

It's not an "issue". It doesn't cause any "problem". With everything included with every single iPhone sold, every feature of the phone and iPod work JUST FINE.

Hmm, if there was no issue or problem, what purpose did the adapter you purchased serve? Sounds to me like it solved a "problem" you were having.

[erroneous]

This topic has been talked about quite a bit here, and in
other forums as well.

Sometimes a manufacturer misses an aspect to their product
that the customer sees at first glance.

While it may seem like a complete engineering mistake,
it's likely actually an engineering for purpose.

The iPhone comes with a headset designed to also work
with the "phone" feature of the device.
This requires an extra conductor to provide audio for the
microphone.
It's likely the engineers did not want to allow just any mini
plug to be inserted into the iPhone to afford protection against
damaging internal circuitry.

Now like an adventurer, I too cut away the barrel of a standard
mini plug so it would fit into the iPhone jack.

It works great, and nothing has damaged the iPhone.

There's a little bit of information regarding the designs
of standard jacks, plugs, etc. at the wikipedia site.

Here's a tad of "cut, and paste" from the site:

Modern TS and TRS connectors are available in three standard sizes. The original 1/4" (6.35 mm) version dates from 1878, for use in manual telephone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone) exchanges—making it possibly the oldest electrical connector standard still in use. The 3.5 mm or miniature and 2.5 mm or subminiature sizes were originally designed as two-conductor connectors for earpieces on transistor radios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_radio). The 3.5 mm and 2.5 mm sizes are also referred to as 1/8" and 3/32" respectively in the United States, though those dimensions are only approximations. All three sizes are now readily available in two-conductor (mono) and three-conductor (stereo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_sound) or tip ring sleeve) versions.
Four and five conductor versions of the 3.5 mm plug are used for certain applications. A four conductor version is becoming a de facto standard output connector for compact camcorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camcorder), providing stereo sound plus a video signal. This interface is also seen on some laptop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop) computers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer).

[Read this portion especially...]

Proprietary interfaces using both four and five conductor versions exist, such as the audio connector on the first four generations of iPod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod) MP3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3) players (the 5th generation player now uses a standard 3 conductor cable), where the extra conductors were used to supply power for accessories. There is also an optical connector used for TOSLINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK) (mainly on things like portable equipment; hi-fi separates and similar tend to use the standard square connector) that is the same size as a 3.5 mm jack. Sockets exist that can make either an optical connection to such a plug or an electrical connection to a stereo jack plug.
A three or four conductor version of the 2.5 mm plug is widely used on cell phone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone) handsfree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handsfree) headsets, providing mono (three conductor) or stereo (four conductor) sound and a microphone input. It should be noted that the use of common stereo headphones with the 2.5 mm plug are often not compatible with this type of socket.

[.....................]



Did Apple perhaps screw up when they made the jack recessed?
The answer to that for some customers is "Yes".



For those of us who understand what goes into engineering a product, and for those of us with a little "know how", it's not really a big deal.



Be pissed. Run up and down the street claiming the world
has screwed you.



While you do that though, be aware of how many people are

looking at you, or in this case "reading" you.




How did the old commercial go?
"We are not amused".



Oh ya, "90 degrees in the shade" jammin on my iPhone.



Perfect!



John

[kycophpd]

In order to make the plug like 'all the others' they would have had to make the sides of the iPhone flat, instead of curved like they are now. Then most would have been complaining because it is too 'box' shaped.

Apple is in the business for making a profit, just like 99.9% of every other company you buy from. I don't think a $10 adapter that is made by Belkin is the way they thought "man, we could really cut a profit if we recessed this headphone jack"

If their intent by the design was to make a profit, they would have said "earbuds purchased seperately", they would not have stuck them in the nice little box the phone came in. My Blackjack I had came with earbuds but no microphone on the cable, DAMN you Samsung!

I paid $30,000 for my Dodge Charger but they keep making me put gas in it, my cupholders did not come with free drinks, my DVD player had no DVD's in it, my windows did not come with tint. When you buy something, you usually don't get everything you 'want', but Apple has been kind enough to design it to give you everything you 'need', including those earbuds.

[SmartAlx]

Also, I think it should be noted that it's not an "issue".
It's only an issue to you. I use the earphones provided by Apple, and am very happy with them....especially for use during calls.
These are going to be perfect for me, as my iPhone's primary use of the iPod feature, is during workouts.
It's not just an issue to us. It's actually an "issue" for a GREAT many people. It's an "issue" to anyone that has to be tortured when they listen to their music. For the rest of us with normal ears (or abnormal depending on your viewpoint) the Apple earbuds are awful. I can't keep them in my ears for longer than half an hour before they start to rub and chafe. The only way I can get them to stay in is to push them in - HARD. And that is quite painful. So you think that I should be in PAIN to use my iPhone???

If they are going to make us use ONE kind of earphone, then they should have made it work with many different kinds of ears.

[SmartAlx]

It's not an "issue". It doesn't cause any "problem". With everything included with every single iPhone sold, every feature of the phone and iPod work JUST FINE.
Wait. You're a genius on the boards and you can say that every feature of the phone work JUST FINE? How can you say that? Have you even surfed with safari? It hasn't crashed on you repeatedly? It's crashed on me at least a hundred times in the 2 weeks I've had the phone. Trust me, not everything works JUST FINE.

[SmartAlx]

What are YOU 15? They made it the same as OTHER cellphones... so it would be compatible with bluetooth headsets.
This isn't true. The headphone jack has zero to do with bluetooth. And it's not like other cellphones. It's not a 2.5mm jack. It's a standard 3.5mm jack, but recessed. It's actually a THIRD standard. Apple created a new standards. New headphone manufacturers will (I promise you) make special iPhone versions of their headphones.

[DRabbit]

This isn't true. The headphone jack has zero to do with bluetooth. And it's not like other cellphones. It's not a 2.5mm jack. It's a standard 3.5mm jack, but recessed. It's actually a THIRD standard. Apple created a new standards. New headphone manufacturers will (I promise you) make special iPhone versions of their headphones.

Yup, I apologize, you are correct. Don't know where I got the idea it was 2.5mm. Oh well. Either way it's not a big deal.

[SmartAlx]

In order to make the plug like 'all the others' they would have had to make the sides of the iPhone flat, instead of curved like they are now. Then most would have been complaining because it is too 'box' shaped.You can't be serious. "MOST?" Who complains about other boxy cellphones? "Oh I love the functionality of the iPhone, but its boxy shape is so ugly I'm going to argue and argue about it and whine and moan and compain to Apple. Let's get a petition going to make Apple round off these corners." That's just ridiculous.

The most it would have warrented was a short blurb in the reviews about the lack of Apple style.

Form follows function. It's the hallmark of good design. Functionality should NEVER come second to design. Apple made a fundamental 1st year design school student mistake.

[SmartAlx]

Yup, I apologize, you are correct. Don't know where I got the idea it was 2.5mm.I'm sure you saw it mentioned from somewhere. Probably on the boards.Oh well. Either way it's not a big deal.Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

[kycophpd]

You can't be serious. "MOST?" Who complains about other boxy cellphones? "Oh I love the functionality of the iPhone, but its boxy shape is so ugly I'm going to argue and argue about it and whine and moan and compain to Apple. Let's get a petition going to make Apple round off these corners." That's just ridiculous.

Form follows function. It's the hallmark of good design.

The most it would have warrented was a short blurb in the reviews about the lack of Apple style.

Your right, then people could not cry about the headphone jack requiring the "included' earbuds and microphone or a newer aftermarket set/adapter. You spend $600 on an iPhone, up to and above $100's on a good set of earphones but "SCREW YOU APPLE", i am not buying your $10 adapter!!!!!! This is hillarious!

I am going to listen to my 8-track player even though I am pissed because some idiot invited a tape..... what is this I hear about DVD's?? Things change. I PROMISE you that other companys will be on the bandwagon and using the same headphone input within a short amount of time. Apple always reinvents the wheel. Expect the expected.

[SmartAlx]

Your right, then people could not cry about the headphone jack requiring the "included' earbuds and microphone or a newer aftermarket set/adapter. You spend $600 on an iPhone, up to and above $100's on a good set of earphones but "SCREW YOU APPLE", i am not buying your $10 adapter!!!!!! This is hillarious!

I am going to listen to my 8-track player even though I am pissed because some idiot invited a tape..... what is this I hear about DVD's?? Things change. I PROMISE you that other companys will be on the bandwagon and using the same headphone input within a short amount of time. Apple always reinvents the wheel. Expect the expected.
With change comes improvement. Tapes were better than 8 track. CDs better than tapes. Sure the iPhone is revolutionary, but the earbuds are not.
And an adapter? Soooo 1990s. :laugh2:

[kycophpd]

Well, I can only speak for myself but this gives me an excuse to go out and buy the newest earbuds/headphones that are compatible with it. I think most of us on these forums are similiar in the fact we always want the latest and greatest 'toys'.

I personally am not buying an adapter and I am going to buy one of the nice earbuds with a microphone, only because I get a discount at work. The current ones work great but after reading everyone elses comments about what a difference a really good set of headphones makes, I now have a valid excuse for the fiance. "But honey, my current headphones don't work, I need to get this new set. Look, I'll show you my old one does not fit."

[crane98]

Wait. You're a genius on the boards and you can say that every feature of the phone work JUST FINE? How can you say that? Have you even surfed with safari? It hasn't crashed on you repeatedly? It's crashed on me at least a hundred times in the 2 weeks I've had the phone. Trust me, not everything works JUST FINE.

People like him refuse to admit that there's anything wrong with the phone. They're so caught up in the hype they refuse to accept the fact that the phone has some issues that need fixed.

[TrippalHealicks]

People like him refuse to admit that there's anything wrong with the phone. They're so caught up in the hype they refuse to accept the fact that the phone has some issues that need fixed.

I accept the phone has some issues, no problem.
Key word being "accept". Deal with it, man. There's no changing it now.
You can fix your issue, though. You can go return it. Or, you can sell it.
I'm not caught up in any "hype". There's no "hype" left. The phone is out. I've explored all of it's features, and they all "work fine", FOR ME.
I'm sorry that YOU are having problems, or YOU have complaints about it, but you seem hellbent on forcing your opinion on to others, like it's the word of Christ, or something.

I recognize YOU have issues with the phone, and there are several people that share your disliking of this particular part of the device, but not all of us have this "issue". Not all of us are affected by it so badly that we feel it is some horrible injustice perpetrated by Apple, in order to ruin our lives.
I don't care. It's a choice I made. I *chose* to spend 600$ on a cell phone, and I have no problem *choosing* to spend another 10$ on an adapter. The same power that allows me to make these decisions, also empowers me to decide to NOT buy an Apple computer. Needs vs. Want. I don't NEED an Apple computer, and the price is a factor that makes that decision very easy. lol
I WANTED an iPHone, and it was a great enough want that I found the means to buy it. I NEEDED an adapter to play this device in the places I wanted to. That, coupled with the small price tag of 10$, made it very easy to make the decision that I would buy it.

I only use the adapter for about an hour out of the day, 4 days out of the week. I use the Apple earplugs MAYBE 2-3 hours out of the day, and at random intervals, thus, they work just fine for me. Maybe not for YOU. That's why it's YOUR issue. NOT MINE.

[crane98]

I accept the phone has some issues, no problem.
Key word being "accept". Deal with it, man. There's no changing it now.
You can fix your issue, though. You can go return it. Or, you can sell it.
I'm not caught up in any "hype". There's no "hype" left. The phone is out. I've explored all of it's features, and they all "work fine", FOR ME.
I'm sorry that YOU are having problems, or YOU have complaints about it, but you seem hellbent on forcing your opinion on to others, like it's the word of Christ, or something.

I recognize YOU have issues with the phone, and there are several people that share your disliking of this particular part of the device, but not all of us have this "issue". Not all of us are affected by it so badly that we feel it is some horrible injustice perpetrated by Apple, in order to ruin our lives.
I don't care. It's a choice I made. I *chose* to spend 600$ on a cell phone, and I have no problem *choosing* to spend another 10$ on an adapter. The same power that allows me to make these decisions, also empowers me to decide to NOT buy an Apple computer. Needs vs. Want. I don't NEED an Apple computer, and the price is a factor that makes that decision very easy. lol
I WANTED an iPHone, and it was a great enough want that I found the means to buy it. I NEEDED an adapter to play this device in the places I wanted to. That, coupled with the small price tag of 10$, made it very easy to make the decision that I would buy it.

I only use the adapter for about an hour out of the day, 4 days out of the week. I use the Apple earplugs MAYBE 2-3 hours out of the day, and at random intervals, thus, they work just fine for me. Maybe not for YOU. That's why it's YOUR issue. NOT MINE.

I don't care what opinion you have, the speaker on the phone is ****ty, plain and simple. If you don't agree with that then you're in serious denial.

[TrippalHealicks]

I don't care what opinion you have, the speaker on the phone is ****ty, plain and simple. If you don't agree with that then you're in serious denial.

I'm sorry, I once again forgot your "opinion" is actually "fact". lol

BTW, I'm assuming you meant to say the "headphone jack" is sh***y?
Not the speaker? Or, did we just change the subject of this thread?

[bcaslis]

I'm in serious denial then also because I don't think the speaker is that bad either.

How is that everyone with a problem proclaims that those that don't agree are in denial or Apple worshippers? I don't need a speaker that rattles people's bones to hear it.

I don't care what opinion you have, the speaker on the phone is ****ty, plain and simple. If you don't agree with that then you're in serious denial.

[crane98]

I'm in serious denial then also because I don't think the speaker is that bad either.

How is that everyone with a problem proclaims that those that don't agree are in denial or Apple worshippers? I don't need a speaker that rattles people's bones to hear it.

So a speaker phone that has to be held up to your ear to hear clearly isn't a problem? lol, get real. I'm sure it's just a big coincidence that it's the number one complaint on here and the number one complaint that I hear from friends who have the phone.

[TrippalHealicks]

So a speaker phone that has to be held up to your ear to hear clearly isn't a problem? lol, get real. I'm sure it's just a big coincidence that it's the number one complaint on here and the number one complaint that I hear from friends who have the phone.

I got news for you, man. This is probably the least likely of all the "issues" to be fixed. Just return it now, or deal with it.
I'm done with this thread. I'm happy with my purchase, i'm sorry that you're not. That's my best advice to you. Just return the phone, or sell it. If you need a really loud speakerphone, might i suggest any of the Motorolas that Nextel provides? Those are immensely loud.

[crane98]

I got news for you, man. This is probably the least likely of all the "issues" to be fixed. Just return it now, or deal with it.
I'm done with this thread. I'm happy with my purchase, i'm sorry that you're not. That's my best advice to you. Just return the phone, or sell it. If you need a really loud speakerphone, might i suggest any of the Motorolas that Nextel provides? Those are immensely loud.

I never said I wanted a loud one. I just want one that I can actually hear clearly out of without holding it 2 inches from my ear.

[bcaslis]

Well I can hear mine fine. If yours doesn't work return it or exchange it. You are saying they are all like that and mine's not.

Why don't you get real? Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong in your opinion. I never said I could hear YOURS fine, I said I can hear MINE fine.

So a speaker phone that has to be held up to your ear to hear clearly isn't a problem? lol, get real. I'm sure it's just a big coincidence that it's the number one complaint on here and the number one complaint that I hear from friends who have the phone.

[SingleDouble]

People like him refuse to admit that there's anything wrong with the phone. They're so caught up in the hype they refuse to accept the fact that the phone has some issues that need fixed.

The Mac cultists are the worst. You think I'm knitpicking when I expect that my previous investment in headphones should work on any damned mp3player?? For god's sakes it's one of the most universal things about mp3 players is that damned headphone plug. Now they've changed it because of bluetooth wearers? Seems like a ridiculous trade-off.

[crane98]

Well I can hear mine fine. If yours doesn't work return it or exchange it. You are saying they are all like that and mine's not.

Why don't you get real? Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong in your opinion. I never said I could hear YOURS fine, I said I can hear MINE fine.

Mine was tested at an Apple store and I was told it was normal, so don't try and bull**** me.

Do some searching online, this is a major problem that ALL the phones have.

[wildonrio]

"Arguing on the internet is like racing in the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded."

[crane98]

There's nothing to argue about. There's at least 5 threads on this forum that are 4-5 pages in length about the low volume, and this idiot is trying to claim that the volume isn't low. Give me a break. Just quit before you make yourself look any worse.

[wildonrio]

There's nothing to argue about. There's at least 5 threads on this forum that are 4-5 pages in length about the low volume, and this idiot is trying to claim that the volume isn't low. Give me a break. Just quit before you make yourself look any worse.

Might I suggest that volume level is relative to how good each person's hearing is? And their opinion of what is considered "low volume"?

[crane98]

Might I suggest that volume level is relative to how good each person's hearing is? And their opinion of what is considered "low volume"?

I'm 25, so that isn't an issue. When there are literally a hundred people on this forum with volume issues, it's pretty obvious that the phones speaker volume is too low. Google it, there's tons of info on it.

[SingleDouble]

I think what's most troubling is the tone of so many threads on this and other boards around the iphone. It doesn't seem to be about helping people solve problems, but essentially "Shut up, it's awesome!. Don't like it? Take it back!."

There are many, many problems with the iphone. If you're going to have the greatest launch of any consumer product, expect lots of blowback on things that don't work properly.

-My battery hasn't charged fully yet. I have brown marks on the back of the phone from the battery
-Headphone jack is different than every other mp3 player, including the five ipods I have from the past.
-iPhone doesn't work with my car. Ipods did.
-Volume is bad on the phone. No, it's not the wrapper. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE have complained about it.

Thing is, a lot of this is taking on religious overtones. The fervour of the believers against the non-believers. It's tiresome, and it lets Apple off the hook in solving the problems. Stop attacking people who bring up legit problems.

I'm not taking mine back. I love it, but there's lots of problems that need attention, k?

[wildonrio]

I'm 25, so that isn't an issue. When there are literally a hundred people on this forum with volume issues, it's pretty obvious that the phones speaker volume is too low. Google it, there's tons of info on it.

I actually agree with you and I think it needs to be fixed. If you show something red to a thousand people, chances are at least one of them will call it pink, but it doesn't mean they're right. But maybe they have bad vision (or in this case, extremely good hearing). But yeah, collectively it is definitely a problem.

[Hondamaker]

It's not just an issue to us. It's actually an "issue" for a GREAT many people. It's an "issue" to anyone that has to be tortured when they listen to their music. For the rest of us with normal ears (or abnormal depending on your viewpoint) the Apple earbuds are awful. I can't keep them in my ears for longer than half an hour before they start to rub and chafe. The only way I can get them to stay in is to push them in - HARD. And that is quite painful. So you think that I should be in PAIN to use my iPhone???

If they are going to make us use ONE kind of earphone, then they should have made it work with many different kinds of ears.
Dude, just do what I did--remove the apple earbuds from the cord and replace with earbuds you really like, thus keeping the mic and the little switch mechanism. Took me 10 mins!