What do you think about the Verizon Android Phone?

[trixjo]

They launched a website called DroidDoes.com - and a whole slew of marketing ads.

Basically the phone is an iPhone with a physical keyboard, isn't it?

Techcrunch is saying that it may wipe the iPhone floor. What do you guys think?

[aggieman]

the first issue for me is Verizon. No thanks.

I like Android, I've used a G1 and a Hero, but I still prefer the iPhone and Palm pre/webOS to Android.

[Eragon]

They launched a website called DroidDoes.com - and a whole slew of marketing ads.

Basically the phone is an iPhone with a physical keyboard, isn't it?

Techcrunch is saying that it may wipe the iPhone floor. What do you guys think?

As with any new device, it has potential. I've yet to see an actual review of the hardware and OS.

The device is not an iPhone. The real question is can it deliver to VZW consumers an iPhone-esque experience?

[iStealth]

The pick I saw of it does nothing for me, plus I am sure there is plenty the iPhone can do that it can't.

[Eragon]

The pick I saw of it does nothing for me, plus I am sure there is plenty the iPhone can do that it can't.

Android devices will continue to evolve. What is not certain is whether Verizon's collaboration with Google, and anti AT&T/iPhone ads implies no Verizon iPhone in the future. If that is the case, and Verizon is laying down its cards/investment muscle in the Android platform, I would expect significant Android offerings in the future.

[kdarling]

As with any new device, it has potential. I've yet to see an actual review of the hardware and OS.

BGR got hold of one to play with a bit. Link here (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/19/motorola-droid-hands-on/).

[TarekElsakka]

The funny thing is.. the iPhone was released in 2007 yet most 2009 phones still can't even beat the V1 yet. Apple is just that smart.

[chris]

They launched a website called DroidDoes.com - and a whole slew of marketing ads.

Basically the phone is an iPhone with a physical keyboard, isn't it?

Techcrunch is saying that it may wipe the iPhone floor. What do you guys think?

What do you think?

[ZR_Yancy]

It's a good thing if it's better than the iPhone. Maybe it will give Apple a swift kick in the @$$ so they step it up to the next level. In the end, the consumer always comes out the big winner.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

It's a good thing if it's better than the iPhone. Maybe it will give Apple a swift kick in the @$$ so they step it up to the next level. In the end, the consumer always comes out the big winner.

And so will Apple, methinks.

[scottjf8]

The funny thing is.. the iPhone was released in 2007 yet most 2009 phones still can't even beat the V1 yet. Apple is just that smart.

C'mon though.. there are quite a few limitations of the iPhone that people talk about. That's a "stock" iPhone. With jailbreak, they can't touch it. But stock, not being able to run things in the background, not being able to reply to an SMS w/out closing and re-opening the app you're in, not being able to do any themeing, it all what they talk about.

The thing that makes me laugh is the keyboard argument. I LOVE not having a real keyboard, since it's more screen space I have, and I can use the keyboard when I need it. But I don't want a device heavier or having less screen space so I can have a regular keyboard 24/7 when I'm in an app that I don't need one.

[Deathwish238]

How does having a keyboard affect screenspace? The keyboard sits under the screen when not in use...

If you want to compare a Jailbroken iPhone to an Android device, you'ld have to compare it to one of the custom Android ROMs as well. Plus, jailbreaking is illegal, Apple is fighting against it(new 3GS can't be jailbroken using current methods). While Android is open source and modifying is encouraged.

Still, comparing modded phones is for geeks like you and I, not the average joe.

While on screen keyboards work, a physical keyboard is always superior in terms of typing. Pretty hard to argue against that.

Also, Android gives you options...devices with and without physical keyboards.

The pick I saw of it does nothing for me, plus I am sure there is plenty the iPhone can do that it can't.

Please name one thing the iPhone can do that Android cannot.

[scottjf8]

Please name one thing the iPhone can do that Android cannot.

Native Exchange email?

[Deathwish238]

Native Exchange email?

Hero and Cliq has it. Android 2.0 which is coming out by year's end will give all Android phones native exchange support.

Not to mention there are free apps that give exchange support.

[scottjf8]

Hero and Cliq has it. Android 2.0 which is coming out by year's end will give all Android phones native exchange support.

Not to mention there are free apps that give exchange support.

Right, that's not native though. I have some friends with the T-mobile phone and they ***** about no Exchange support.

[Deathwish238]

As with any new device, it has potential. I've yet to see an actual review of the hardware and OS.

The device is not an iPhone. The real question is can it deliver to VZW consumers an iPhone-esque experience?

If people want an iPhone-esque experience, they should get an iPhone.

Android is about customizability. iPhone OS tries to limit your options and calls it "simplicity". Two entirely different goals.

Android's only real problem this far has been power. Android is simply too powerful for these dated ARM11 processors.

The Droid has what Android needs, a much more powerful and faster cpu. Not to mention handsdown better specs than the iPhone and most other phones on the market or being released in the next few months.

[Deathwish238]

Right, that's not native though. I have some friends with the T-mobile phone and they ***** about no Exchange support.

Fair enough, but the Droid will have Exchange support so for the sake of this topic...your point is moot.

And tell your friends to use their app market :dft011:wicked_smile

[Eragon]

What do you think?

The biggest selling point for VZW will be the fact that Android OS will be available across multiple hardware platforms. In the past, WM could be found on QWERTY/Non-QWERTY, Touch Screen/non-Touch Screen devices. Users had choice among WM devices offered by a single carrier.

If Android and VZW succeed, WM will recede further into the ether; iPhone OS is offered only on one platform with a singular flavor. Nothing wrong with that model - OS X has been legitimately available only on Apple hardware, whereas Windows has been available over a larger variety.

Where Windows and the multiple OEMs have failed compared to OS X and Apple, perhaps Android can succeed.

[ZR_Yancy]

Let's not assume what Droid 2.0 might be able to do. let's just wait for it. I've heard this song before with RIMM and Palm.

[Eragon]

Let's not assume what Droid 2.0 might be able to do. let's just wait for it. I've heard this song before with RIMM and Palm.

Don't I know it. I can't wait to get rid of my Blackberry Storm.

[Deathwish238]

Let's not assume what Droid 2.0 might be able to do. let's just wait for it. I've heard this song before with RIMM and Palm.

Assume? There's no assuming, this is what we know and things will only be added:
BGR Android 2.0 Walkthrough (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/16/android-2-0-screenshot-walkthrough/)
Gizmodo Summary (http://gizmodo.com/5383485/android-20-first-look-fresh-face-sick-speed)

• The whole system feels much faster, especially the browser. Apparently it renders about as fast as the 3GS's, though part of that could be down to the hardware (What is it, BG?)
• The browser also gets double-tap-to-zoom (some current ROMs already come with this)
• Facebook friends are integrated right into the contacts system
• Voice control has been scattered through the whole system, and even gets its own dedicated dashboard
• There's an upgraded version of Google Maps, with layer support
• Native MS Exchange support
• A unified email inbox, for joining multiple accounts
• A YouTube homescreen widget, which enables two-click uploads
• A "Car Home" app offers larger shortcuts for functions you might need while driving, as well as easy access to voice control

[ZR_Yancy]

That isn't the final product.

[Deathwish238]

Exactly, it's only going to get better! A lot has already been implemented in other phones/roms like multitouch and exchange support(I have both on my G1).

Google is developing very aggressively for Android. Donut was a minor release, just adding a few new features(Quick Search Bar > Spotlight Search) and tweaking things. Eclair is going to be a major release adding a significant amount to Android. I fully expect all of the above and more...and Google has yet to disappoint.

Updates are free and don't require touching a computer either!

[bass_lover1]

I'm going take a shot in the dark here...but I bet you own an Android device.

Let's break this down, shall we?

How does having a keyboard affect screenspace? The keyboard sits under the screen when not in use...

He was probably referring to a smartphone that doesn't use a slide out keyboard, there are tons of those available. I agree with him as well, they take up lots of real-estate that could be better used on a screen.

If you want to compare a Jailbroken iPhone to an Android device, you'ld have to compare it to one of the custom Android ROMs as well. Plus, jailbreaking is illegal, Apple is fighting against it(new 3GS can't be jailbroken using current methods). While Android is open source and modifying is encouraged.

It's an opensource platform, that you still have to "hack" into to customize? Doesn't seem to be truly open, now does it?

PS: 3GS can be jailbroken, I own one, but thank you for proving that you don't own an iPhone and came here just to stir the pot. :)

Still, comparing modded phones is for geeks like you and I, not the average joe. Not necessarily, there's no way you can prove that every owner of a JB phone is a geek. I don't consider myself a geek, I enjoy keeping with the times of technology, but certainly not a geek.



While on screen keyboards work, a physical keyboard is always superior in terms of typing. Pretty hard to argue against that.

That is your opinion, so it's pretty easy to argue against it. I've had an iPhone for about a year, and I can say that I DESPISE physical keyboards now. I've tried using some of the best qwerty devices (BB Bold, G1) and I hated every second of typing.

Also, Android gives you options...devices with and without physical keyboards.

True, but one of the iPhone's biggest selling points originally was that it had no physical keyboard.


My friend has a G1, and yes it is definitely a cool device, I don't see my self dropping my 3GS for it, or for any other Android device at this time. As time goes on, and companies start implementing Android more, we'll definitely start to see some really cool things, but until then no thank you.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

It's still good to hear about other phones, though.

[Deathwish238]

I'm going take a shot in the dark here...but I bet you own an Android device.
Yes, I have a TMobile G1...which I financed by selling an iPhone.

Let's break this down, shall we?



He was probably referring to a smartphone that doesn't use a slide out keyboard, there are tons of those available. I agree with him as well, they take up lots of real-estate that could be better used on a screen.
I'll agree with that, but who cares if all Android phones have neither no keyboard or slideout keyboard.

I won't sacrifice my screen for a keyboard either.

It's an opensource platform, that you still have to "hack" into to customize? Doesn't seem to be truly open, now does it?
It is truly open. Open source means that the OS is free to use and distribute. That I can go to the Android Open Source Project (http://source.android.com/) and download the source code.

I mean here's the first line from the AOSP homepage "Android is the first free, open source, and fully customizable mobile platform"


Android is completely customizable in its stock form.


However, you need to gain root permission to run ROMs as well as some apps. This is needed mainly for security and is part of Linux. Getting root permission is completely legal. Whenever an app needs root permission, you are asked and must either allow or deny the app wanting permission.

PS: 3GS can be jailbroken, I own one, but thank you for proving that you don't own an iPhone and came here just to stir the pot. :)

This is what I'm referring to (http://www.macworld.com/article/143303/2009/10/jailbreak_iphones.html)

I mentioned "new" 3GS iPhones cannot be jailbroken. If that was unclear, I meant newly shipping iPhones and not the ones already in the wild. Of course it will be done again, but it's a hassle and a waste of time for the iPhone jailbreaking community. It's also a very clear sign that Apple is against it.


I didn't come here to stir the pot, I'm coming here to learn. Plus, the article beckoned me over here...lol. This is a thread for dicussing the Droid and the iPhone.


Competition is a good thing. The iPhone has helped the smartphone market immensely and it needs some real competition. Android is that real competition and I hope to see Apple respond with an much improved version of iPhone OS. Apple has made Windows and Nokia wake up after being so stale for so long.

Not necessarily, there's no way you can prove that every owner of a JB phone is a geek. I don't consider myself a geek, I enjoy keeping with the times of technology, but certainly not a geek.

Unless your friend did it for you, if your phone is hacked you're a bit of a geek. You're on a forum talking about cellphones after all :ok:ok

That is your opinion, so it's pretty easy to argue against it. I've had an iPhone for about a year, and I can say that I DESPISE physical keyboards now. I've tried using some of the best qwerty devices (BB Bold, G1) and I hated every second of typing.

It doesn't really work like that. I hated the on screen keyboard at first too. As with any keyboard, as you use it and practice on it, you get a lot better. I can type over 80wpm on my G1's physical keyboard now(originally only 15-20wpm). But I can't type that well on a Blackberry keyboard or an iPhone's keyboard...doesn't make either of those bad keyboards...I just don't use the often.

Plus, I have an on screen keyboard and a physical keyboard. Best of both worlds imo. Different situations call for different keyboards. I'm actually interested in how the Storm 2's on screen keyboard feels as the screen has some actual feedback...but that's a different story.

True, but one of the iPhone's biggest selling points originally was that it had no physical keyboard.

Depends on who you asked...to me and many others it is a con. How hard would it be to have two models...one with a keyboard and one without? Of course you'ld have options then...:dft012:wink

My friend has a G1, and yes it is definitely a cool device, I don't see my self dropping my 3GS for it, or for any other Android device at this time. As time goes on, and companies start implementing Android more, we'll definitely start to see some really cool things, but until then no thank you.

And I would say the exact same thing about the 3GS. The iPhone is a great phone, but I really enjoy my G1. It's just soo much fun to use, playing with different ROMs is a lot of fun...especially because there are many that look nothing alike.

These next two months will be filled with new Android devices. The Droid is starting the high end Android phone release and so far it looks very promising.

[Eragon]

An interesting analysis:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/10-Reasons-Why-Verizons-Android-Support-Should-Make-Apple-Nervous-612734/

[Londonrockz568]

They launched a website called DroidDoes.com - and a whole slew of marketing ads.

Basically the phone is an iPhone with a physical keyboard, isn't it?

Techcrunch is saying that it may wipe the iPhone floor. What do you guys think?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p222/the_x-phile/ObviousTroll.jpg

[kevlar08]

How does having a keyboard affect screenspace? The keyboard sits under the screen when not in use...

If you want to compare a Jailbroken iPhone to an Android device, you'ld have to compare it to one of the custom Android ROMs as well. Plus, jailbreaking is illegal, Apple is fighting against it(new 3GS can't be jailbroken using current methods). While Android is open source and modifying is encouraged.

Still, comparing modded phones is for geeks like you and I, not the average joe.

While on screen keyboards work, a physical keyboard is always superior in terms of typing. Pretty hard to argue against that.

Also, Android gives you options...devices with and without physical keyboards.



Please name one thing the iPhone can do that Android cannot.

Voice and Data
Edit Video
All of the 70,000 things available in the app store
Sync With iTunes


if you look at a list a features you can always find things one phone does that others don't.

[Deathwish238]

Voice and Data
Edit Video
All of the 70,000 things available in the app store
Sync With iTunes


if you look at a list a features you can always find things one phone does that others don't.

Voice and Data - I have both...lol. Not sure if you're referring to something beyond the obvious? Otherwise I find it odd that you think that an Android device isn't capable of getting online and making phone calls. For one, we have Google Voice and the iPhone does not...

Edit Video - Qik edits video, quite well too.

All of the 70,000 things available in the app store - Android has over 10,000 apps after a year. I already have multiple alternatives for everything I use...can't actually think of anything I need. Already have plenty of cool apps. Can you actually name a function of an app on the iPhone market that's not found in an app on the Android market? I know you won't find any SNES, NES, Genesis, GBA, DOOM or other emulators on the Apple market!

Sync With iTunes - Apparently you can (http://androidforums.com/android-media/1002-sync-g1-itunes-windows.html). I could care less, iTunes is crap for audio and video playback...foobar2000 is what anyone who cares about sq uses. I'm quite capable of dragging and dropping and prefer it that way.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I have Google Voice.

[Europa]

That reminds me. I got the GV invite a week or two ago but forgot to set it up on my iPhone. If it's jailbroken you can send and receive, but if it's not jailbroken you can only receive, correct?

[ZR_Yancy]

I have GV Mobile on my iPhone as well.

Capture vids at 30 fps. Can edit, stitch, add transition effects. Add slow motion. Speed up. Soon voice over/ audio swap.

85k+ apps in just 2 years. At the pace Android is going, only 20k apps in 2 years. Tap to focus cam. Less moving parts to wear down and break(virtual keypad).

[diverdown]

Deathwish238,

Your new here and for that I'm sure members are cutting you some slack. But joining an iPhone forum and then bashing the iPhone is not going to win you any friends. As this is the 3rd generation iPhone, most members are quite familiar with the shortcomings of the device but are willing to stay with it.

Back to topic.... I for one am interested in seeing what this new Andriod phone is all about. It may actually be the competition that Apple needs to implement some of the features that users are jailbreaking for (i.e. theming, background processes)...then again Palm's WebOS was supposed to do that and so far Apple has not budged.......

Also, it remains to be seen if Verizon is going to let the Android community have that much control over a phone on their network....this "control" was reportedly one of the reasons why the iphone never made it to Verizon.... Unfortunately, VZW has a habit of crippiling their devices..... hopefully that is not the case.

It does make me laugh, that each time a new phone is released it is labeled the "iPhone Killer" ..... Did Apple really set the bar that high, that all new devices must be measured up against it...... WOW, from the vibe of this thread, I guess so.

Just my 0.02,
~S

[Eragon]

One aspect of the discussion which hasn't been brought up is the fact that the iPhone is a single hardware platform controlled by the manufacturer/developer of its OS. Google on the other hand is taking the Windows Mobile approach of staying out of the hardware business, and licensing its OS to a myriad of hardware platforms. The more hardware platforms an OS has to support, the less flexibility the OS has.

One of the Windows Mobile death knells has been the length of time it takes to get an OS update out to the user. Apple has been nothing short of prolific. Official OS updates from RIM have been as constipated as Windows Mobile, but fortunately blackberry devices have been easy to upgrade to the "leaked" OS updates.

We've been comparing Verizon to AT&T and using the iPhone as a common focal point for discussion. The comparison is inappropriate as Apples to Oranges. A better comparison would be Windows Mobile to Android OS. How about an HTC Sense vs Motoblur discussion? Or Google Experience vs. Non-google experience?

[Londonrockz568]

According to One of Apple's CEO's he said something along the lines of Many other phone companies are still playing catchup to the first iphone... thats the one without apps.

Ouch. and Pwned.

Apple, a computer company made a phone and basically rewrote the rules of the game and how to play in the phone industry. Now motorola and others have been playing catchup. If anyone is going to make an iphone killer its Samsung. Afterall... the parts in the iphone are from Samsung.

[Eragon]

Afterall... the parts in the iphone are from Samsung.

But, how do you sell a phone containing parts you make for a competitor? Why not sell Apple a box of used pinball machine parts!

[kevlar08]

Voice and Data - I have both...lol. Not sure if you're referring to something beyond the obvious? Otherwise I find it odd that you think that an Android device isn't capable of getting online and making phone calls. For one, we have Google Voice and the iPhone does not...

Edit Video - Qik edits video, quite well too.

All of the 70,000 things available in the app store - Android has over 10,000 apps after a year. I already have multiple alternatives for everything I use...can't actually think of anything I need. Already have plenty of cool apps. Can you actually name a function of an app on the iPhone market that's not found in an app on the Android market? I know you won't find any SNES, NES, Genesis, GBA, DOOM or other emulators on the Apple market!

Sync With iTunes - Apparently you can (http://androidforums.com/android-media/1002-sync-g1-itunes-windows.html). I could care less, iTunes is crap for audio and video playback...foobar2000 is what anyone who cares about sq uses. I'm quite capable of dragging and dropping and prefer it that way.

i meant voice and data at the same time

and 10,000 apps per year, so in 7 years android will catch up? imagine how many apps will be in the app store my even next year

my point with the itunes sync and the apps is that whether you need the features found in the 70,000 app available or not they can all be put on a list of things droiddont along with a compass and instant video editing. my point was to show that while Verizon commercial was cute the same argument can be made against them.

and how does the iPhone not run widgets? in my opinion their are plenty of "widgets" on the iphones home screen.

[kdarling]

One of the Windows Mobile death knells has been the length of time it takes to get an OS update out to the user. Apple has been nothing short of prolific.

Apple has had to be prolific. They've been putting out updates (and security fixes) just to get to the base level of functionality of other phones... which came with video, voice control, MMS, copy/paste and all the other things that Apple has slowly added over the past two years.

and how does the iPhone not run widgets? in my opinion their are plenty of "widgets" on the iphones home screen.

On other phones the user is able to have multiple small widgets running on one or more homescreens. The user chooses which ones they want to see.

Apple has shown similar widgets in their patent application documents, so they'll probably add them sooner or later. No doubt they're trying to figure out a way to do so without getting too many people confused.

[ZR_Yancy]

lol if they want to talk about home screens and widgets, the iPhone has 11 home screens that can fit 20 widgets on each homescreens.

[KevinJD]

Please name one thing the iPhone can do that Android cannot.

Run the superior iPhone OS perhaps? :dft011:wicked_smile

[Europa]

That reminds me. I got the GV invite a week or two ago but forgot to set it up on my iPhone. If it's jailbroken you can send and receive, but if it's not jailbroken you can only receive, correct?
^Anyone?.....

[ZR_Yancy]

Send and receive what? SMS?

[Europa]

No, Google Voice phone calls.

[Deathwish238]

I am still waiting to hear about something the iPhone can do that Android cannot...:dft010:smiling

I have GV Mobile on my iPhone as well.

Capture vids at 30 fps. Can edit, stitch, add transition effects. Add slow motion. Speed up. Soon voice over/ audio swap.

85k+ apps in just 2 years. At the pace Android is going, only 20k apps in 2 years. Tap to focus cam. Less moving parts to wear down and break(virtual keypad).

I assume you're getting Google Voice from outside the app market.

20k in two years if there's linear growth. Android is not growing linearly by any means. I'ld expect closer to 30-40k apps by the end of 2010.

But like I said, there's already so many apps and choices for anything I use. Are there any apps on the iPhone market that the Andriod market does not have an equivalent of? I know the iPhone is way ahead in gaming.

Deathwish238,

Your new here and for that I'm sure members are cutting you some slack. But joining an iPhone forum and then bashing the iPhone is not going to win you any friends. As this is the 3rd generation iPhone, most members are quite familiar with the shortcomings of the device but are willing to stay with it.

Cutting me slack? For what?

I'm not bashing the iPhone. Bashing would be me saying 'the iPhone sucks'. Anyone that thinks an iPhone is not a decent phone is wrong.

I'm here to learn and to better understand the market. I've already learned a few things in this thread from you guys.


And no, most members are not familiar with the shortcomings. Especially because the majority of iPhone users simply have one because it's a big popular trend and Apple's great marketing.

Many many iPhone users have never used a smartphone before their iPhone...so they have no idea what other phones are actually capable of. They don't know what Symbian is and have never used or even read about a WinMo device. They bought an iPhone because it's cool. They don't really care about smartphones and their specific functionality.

Talk to a WinMo or Symbian or Android user on the other hand and they usually do know what at least some of the other mobile operating systems are like and what they can or cannot do. They often pick their phone based on what their research


I can't count how many times I've had a friend tell me that their iPhone can do something awesome and then be surprised when I tell them that other phones have been able to do that for years.

Back to topic.... I for one am interested in seeing what this new Andriod phone is all about. It may actually be the competition that Apple needs to implement some of the features that users are jailbreaking for (i.e. theming, background processes)...then again Palm's WebOS was supposed to do that and so far Apple has not budged.......

Also, it remains to be seen if Verizon is going to let the Android community have that much control over a phone on their network....this "control" was reportedly one of the reasons why the iphone never made it to Verizon.... Unfortunately, VZW has a habit of crippiling their devices..... hopefully that is not the case.

It does make me laugh, that each time a new phone is released it is labeled the "iPhone Killer" ..... Did Apple really set the bar that high, that all new devices must be measured up against it...... WOW, from the vibe of this thread, I guess so.

Just my 0.02,
~S

Apple did what Microsoft, Nokia and Palm failed to do. Make smartphones a trend.

They used the fanbase they created with the iPod and made a phone that appealed to that same fanbase. It's genius really. They were able to use all their marketing and success previously to directly launch their new phone into the spotlight.


Android is much more of a threat than Palm's WebOS simply because the install base is going to be so much bigger with all these Android phones coming out.

I don't think Verizon will gimp the Droid. Would be quite a shame.

lol if they want to talk about home screens and widgets, the iPhone has 11 home screens that can fit 20 widgets on each homescreens.

But it doesn't? The iPhone has pages of apps...nothing more.

Unless you're talking about jailbreaking...then sure, you have a desktop too. But I've seen the vids of it(never actually met anyone with a desktop out of the dozens of people I know with an iPhone...many jailbroken) and it's not simple to use...changing icons takes steps and apps(if that has changed do correct me). Either way, I'm yet to see it in the wild and I live in a city filled with iPhones.

Run the superior iPhone OS perhaps? :dft011:wicked_smile

Good argument :025:bored

[kevlar08]

droid can not do simultaneous voice and data
droid can not edit videos on device
droid doesnt have a compass
droid cant make the entire planet excited for it

[Deathwish238]

droid can not do simultaneous voice and data
droid can not edit videos on device
droid doesnt have a compass
droid cant make the entire planet excited for it

1. I've looked up stuff online while talking to someone on speakerphone before, so I'm gonna say yes it can do voice and data.
2. Qik can edit videos.
3. Yes it does have a built in compass. Almost every Android phone does. If you've read otherwise, cite your source.
4. Of course it can, Verizon's DroidDoes teaser ad has already created a lot of hype! Regardless, hype means nothing...can't make a phone any better.



Thought you all would have more to say quite frankly...

[Eragon]

droid can not do simultaneous voice and data


kevlar08 is correct. Droid can not do simultaneous voice and data over the cellular network since the device must run on the EV-DO (CDMA) network. With WiFi on, however, you can get simultaneous voice and data.

[Watcher]

You're forgetting one important thing, at least for me...

Who the hell wants "Verizon" stamped all over their frackin' phone? :dft002:amazed
http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/gallery/00-single/normal_MotorolaDroid-4.jpg
http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/gallery/00-single/normal_MotorolaDroid-3.jpg

[Deathwish238]

kevlar08 is correct. Droid can not do simultaneous voice and data over the cellular network since the device must run on the EV-DO (CDMA) network. With WiFi on, however, you can get simultaneous voice and data.

Good to know that it does work with wifi. Still, is that the biggest thing Android is missing out on? lol...someone has to have a more compelling argument to support statements like "The funny thing is.. the iPhone was released in 2007 yet most 2009 phones still can't even beat the V1 yet. Apple is just that smart." posted on the first page.


You're forgetting one important thing, at least for me...

Who the hell wants "Verizon" stamped all over their frackin' phone? :dft002:amazed

lol...if branding deters you from buying a phone...then by all means advertise for Apple instead :025:bored

[TarekElsakka]

Deathwish, please remember that this is an iPhone forum. Don't expect to see Android fans here. Here is a good idea that might help you and everyone here..

http://androidforums.com/register.php

Bye.

[Deathwish238]

Deathwish, please remember that this is an iPhone forum. Don't expect to see Android fans here. Here is a good idea that might help you and everyone here..

http://androidforums.com/register.php

Bye.

...I don't get it. I'm expecting iPhone fans to tell me about the iPhone. Is there a better place to go for that? This has nothing to do with being an Android fan. Why are you trying to get rid of me? Are my questions really that difficult to answer?

If you're not going to actually add anything to the thread...don't bother posting.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

...I don't get it. I'm expecting iPhone fans to tell me about the iPhone. Is there a better place to go for that? This has nothing to do with being an Android fan. Why are you trying to get rid of me? Are my questions really that difficult to answer?

If you're not going to actually add anything to the thread...don't bother posting.

First off, don't tell other people here when to or when not to post. I've see the same behavior on other cell phone forums, so this isn't new to me.

I have no problem with you being here and asking questions, but your attitude is now teetering dangerously close to trolling. You're baiting other members here for no good reason. You can deny it, but I know better.

And no, I'm not a moderator, but a concerned member.

[Eragon]

"The funny thing is.. the iPhone was released in 2007 yet most 2009 phones still can't even beat the V1 yet.

Remember, the topic in this thread is about thoughts on the Verizon Android phone. I think it is great that Verizon is pursuing the Android OS. I've been a VZW customer much longer than I've been an AT&T customer. Android brings to VZW a much needed shot in the arm. With the exception of Windows Mobile and RIM, VZW's selection of phone offerings is boring. Verizon recognizes it's losing customers who are willing to sacrifice network stability and coverage for an exciting device.

An exciting device on a poor network gets old. Hence, my continuation of my Verizon account. Every once in a while, it's nice to be able to make a phone call or use data when I want to and where I want to.

What will make a Verizon Android device exciting to me? For starters, a great interface which doesn't require you to drill down menu after menu to get to a function you want to use. Real-time access to data such as Twitter and Google feeds which don't require entry into a browser or 3rd party app which requires a subsequent data access. Tethering.

I'm not looking for a Verizon iPhone wannabe. You can't appreciate what Android brings to Verizon if you don't have experience feeling trapped by crippled and castrated devices. A device I have to hack to get basic functionality such as a missed call register is not for me. Been there. Done that.

[TarekElsakka]

I typed that, not Deathwish, by the way.

[TarekElsakka]

...I don't get it. I'm expecting iPhone fans to tell me about the iPhone. Is there a better place to go for that? This has nothing to do with being an Android fan. Why are you trying to get rid of me? Are my questions really that difficult to answer?

If you're not going to actually add anything to the thread...don't bother posting.

Your questions are kind of dumb and irritating. Can an iPhone do this, can an iPhone do that? Dude, the iPhone is enough for every one here and I wouldn't change it for an Android one, okay? Just listen to what Napoleon said, you're starting to be a troll since you found every one against Android. Seriously, I don't mean to tell you off by registering at Android forums, I don't have the right to tell you to leave this forum. I am just telling you that you're better off at the Android forums, go ask them what the iPhone can do that the Android can't and they'll surely give you the satisfying answer you are looking for.

[Eragon]

Deathwish, please remember that this is an iPhone forum. Don't expect to see Android fans here. Here is a good idea that might help you and everyone here..

http://androidforums.com/register.php

Bye.

Before the mods lock this thread, we need to keep in mind that the forums are open to everyone. I personally am registered at everythingandroid, pre, as well as iCafe. There are ways to participate in forums, and ways not to. I don't go over to other forums and bash their devices for the sake of being a specific device fan boy. If I can't say anything productive, I won't.

This thread is about thoughts on the Verizon Android. What the Verizon Android will mean for VZW, as well as its impact on AT&T.

[chris]

This thread is about thoughts on the Verizon Android. What the Verizon Android will mean for VZW, as well as its impact on AT&T.

Well said.

As a reminder, we have an Android forum at http://www.everythingandroid.org/forum (http://www.everythingandroid.org)

You are free to discuss Droid here and there.:ok:ok

[diverdown]

Well said Chris.

My hope is that the Droid is a good phone with a solid OS. For those of us invested in the iphone this type of competition is good. It should cause Apple to stay on their toes and keep improving the iphone.

A great product without any competition eventually becomes stagnant and irrelevant. Remember, when PDA's first hit the market, nobody could touch palm.....but, they rested on their laurels and got passed when smart phones became the rage.....only now are they trying to recapture their footing....

Anyhow, competition is good, so lets hope that spurs Apple to continue to focus on the iphone.

~S

[Eragon]

I too am looking forward to seeing the Droid in action. It supposedly has the same processor as the iPhone. One drawback about the recent generation of Android devices has been the use of underpowered processors. There is nothing more frustrating than a laggy device.

Yesterday, I saw additional details emerge on another VZW device, the Calgary. This device is outfitted with the Motoblur UI.

[diverdown]

I too am looking forward to seeing the Droid in action. It supposedly has the same processor as the iPhone. One drawback about the recent generation of Android devices has been the use of underpowered processors. There is nothing more frustrating than a laggy device.

Yesterday, I saw additional details emerge on another VZW device, the Calgary. This device is outfitted with the Motoblur UI.

According to what I have read, VZW is allowing the Droid to run the native version of Android 2.0, not a verzion modified by Verizon. This is a big step for VZW, allowing a native OS.....that was always the big complaint about their phones...the crappy UI......That was the big problem between Apple and VZW, control of the UI......

~S

[Eragon]

According to what I have read, VZW is allowing the Droid to run the native version of Android 2.0, not a verzion modified by Verizon. This is a big step for VZW, allowing a native OS.....that was always the big complaint about their phones...the crappy UI......That was the big problem between Apple and VZW, control of the UI......

~S

If VZW can be as open as Lowell McAdams has indicated he wants to be, we could be in for an interesting ride.

[diverdown]

If VZW can be as open as Lowell McAdams has indicated he wants to be, we could be in for an interesting ride.


Very true ... and that could be good for everybody.....

~S

[kdarling]

According to what I have read, VZW is allowing the Droid to run the native version of Android 2.0, not a verzion modified by Verizon. This is a big step for VZW, allowing a native OS.....

Common myth.

Verizon has never messed with the Blackberry or WM operating systems, other than previously blocking the GPS.

that was always the big complaint about their phones...the crappy UI......That was the big problem between Apple and VZW, control of the UI......

Not at all. You're thinking of dumb phones.

Verizon never messed with smartphone UIs, beyond adding an optional red theme and perhaps a store link that you could remove.

The main blocks they had with Apple before, had to do with sales and warranty control (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/29/verizon_passed_on_exclusive_5_year_iphone_deal.htm l), debate over revenue sharing and subsidies, and other non-technical stuff.

And of course, Apple approached Verizon long before they had a working model or even a locked down design. (At the time they were still mocking up phones using iPods.) So Verizon had no idea it would turn out nicely... after all, the only previous Apple related phone was the ROKR.

[Watcher]

lol...if branding deters you from buying a phone...then by all means advertise for Apple instead :025:bored
Yes, but Verizon had nothing to do with the hardware or the design of the phone itself, that's what kills me. The Google stamp is fine because they obviously had a hand in designing the phone. The same with Apple. And it's actually not just Verizon who stamps their frackin' phones, every carrier, even AT&T, seems to do it. I'm just glad Apple stood up and said, "Not here, buddy!" :ok:ok

[diverdown]

Common myth.

Verizon has never messed with the Blackberry or WM operating systems, other than previously blocking the GPS.



Not at all. You're thinking of dumb phones.

Verizon never messed with smartphone UIs, beyond adding an optional red theme and perhaps a store link that you could remove.

The main blocks they had with Apple before, had to do with sales and warranty control (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/29/verizon_passed_on_exclusive_5_year_iphone_deal.htm l), debate over revenue sharing and subsidies, and other non-technical stuff.

And of course, Apple approached Verizon long before they had a working model or even a locked down design. (At the time they were still mocking up phones using iPods.) So Verizon had no idea it would turn out nicely... after all, the only previous Apple related phone was the ROKR.

You are correct.... my comment was to the "dumb phones".

~S

[Eragon]

Common myth.

Verizon has never messed with the Blackberry or WM operating systems, other than previously blocking the GPS.

The biggest issues I've seen with the blackberry and WM OS's on VZW has been that carrier's reluctance to release new OS updates. The last WM phone I had with VZW was stuck with WM 5.0. Even though 6.1 had been released, and was available for hackers. In some cases, VZW advertised upcoming availability of WM updates, but elected in the end to kill the device altogether at a much later date. Similarly, Blackberry OS. RIM releases "unofficial" leaks all of the time. The supposed argument VZW uses is the need for further testing.

Android OS updates on T-Mobile have been fairly frequent. Similarly, WebOS updates on Sprint have been fairly frequent. Rumors circulating around the net are unclear whether Sprint will push OS updates over the air or require a computer download.

What concerns me is whether the devices we buy, say on VZW, will have OSs supported by Android and the carrier. Getting an OS update invokes in me a similar satisfaction as purchasing a new, current device. Being stuck with a buggy, laggy OS until your annual upgrade or end of contract is not acceptable.

[kdarling]

What concerns me is whether the devices we buy, say on VZW, will have OSs supported by Android and the carrier. Getting an OS update invokes in me a similar satisfaction as purchasing a new, current device. Being stuck with a buggy, laggy OS until your annual upgrade or end of contract is not acceptable.

That's a very good question.

I don't know enough about Android update mechanisms.

Can some come from Google, and others from Motorola?

[diverdown]

That's a very good question.

I don't know enough about Android update mechanisms.

Can some come from Google, and others from Motorola?

I would think that software updates would initiate with Google. The question to be answered is how long after Google updates the Android, will VZW roll it out. I don't think Motorola would have much to do with Android updates....

~S

[Eragon]

Microsoft gives licenses to the OEMs like HTC, not the carrier. For each specific hardware platform, the OEM then has to adapt the update to its specific incarnation. Once adapted, the carrier then gets a crack (supposedly for testing network compatibility).

The point of the argument is that Apple, Google via T-Mobile, and Palm via Sprint have bucked the trend and provided seamless updates. In two out of the three cases, we were looking at only 1 hardware platform (Apple, Palm Pre). In the case of T-Mobile, with only the G1 and later the My Touch 3G, updates really haven't been a problem.

What happens when you throw in Samsung, Motorola, Dell, and HTC devices under the same or even different carriers? Will AT&T push out the next OS update to GSM users while VZW leaves its users with their heads in the sand?

[Deathwish238]

First off, don't tell other people here when to or when not to post. I've see the same behavior on other cell phone forums, so this isn't new to me.

I have no problem with you being here and asking questions, but your attitude is now teetering dangerously close to trolling. You're baiting other members here for no good reason. You can deny it, but I know better.

And no, I'm not a moderator, but a concerned member.

I was replying to this rather rude statement implying that I should leave. His comment didn't add to this thread in anyway.

Deathwish, please remember that this is an iPhone forum. Don't expect to see Android fans here. Here is a good idea that might help you and everyone here..

http://androidforums.com/register.php

Bye.

Napolean, before you yell at me, yell at Tarek. Someone with over 2k posts should know better.


I'm not baiting anyone. I'm asking a simple question to learn more about phones.


Remember, the topic in this thread is about thoughts on the Verizon Android phone. I think it is great that Verizon is pursuing the Android OS. I've been a VZW customer much longer than I've been an AT&T customer. Android brings to VZW a much needed shot in the arm. With the exception of Windows Mobile and RIM, VZW's selection of phone offerings is boring. Verizon recognizes it's losing customers who are willing to sacrifice network stability and coverage for an exciting device.

An exciting device on a poor network gets old. Hence, my continuation of my Verizon account. Every once in a while, it's nice to be able to make a phone call or use data when I want to and where I want to.

What will make a Verizon Android device exciting to me? For starters, a great interface which doesn't require you to drill down menu after menu to get to a function you want to use. Real-time access to data such as Twitter and Google feeds which don't require entry into a browser or 3rd party app which requires a subsequent data access. Tethering.

I'm not looking for a Verizon iPhone wannabe. You can't appreciate what Android brings to Verizon if you don't have experience feeling trapped by crippled and castrated devices. A device I have to hack to get basic functionality such as a missed call register is not for me. Been there. Done that.

VZW has been known for their crappy phones for soo long. It's about time they got a decent phone or two. There are still rumors of them getting the next iPhone.

I can't see Droid being crippled by VZW. They're investing too much in this and know they have to do it right. Plus, any "crippling" could probably be reversed with a custom ROM.

Sounds like you want a Droid :dft011:wicked_smile

If the Sprint Hero was any indication, Droid is going to receive rave reviews.

Your questions are kind of dumb and irritating. Can an iPhone do this, can an iPhone do that? Dude, the iPhone is enough for every one here and I wouldn't change it for an Android one, okay? Just listen to what Napoleon said, you're starting to be a troll since you found every one against Android. Seriously, I don't mean to tell you off by registering at Android forums, I don't have the right to tell you to leave this forum. I am just telling you that you're better off at the Android forums, go ask them what the iPhone can do that the Android can't and they'll surely give you the satisfying answer you are looking for.

I don't think many are against Android. It's hard to be against something that is Open Source and backed by Google and the Open Handset Alliance.


How is it dumb or irritating? It's a completely valid question...What can the iPhone do that Android can't? It's the equivalent of What can an Xbox 360 do that a PS3 can't? Neither of those are dumb questions.

I know what Android users think of the iPhone. I'm not gonna ask them. I want your opinion of the iPhone.

Who should be able to tell me what the iPhone can do better than iPhone users?



Yes, but Verizon had nothing to do with the hardware or the design of the phone itself, that's what kills me. The Google stamp is fine because they obviously had a hand in designing the phone. The same with Apple. And it's actually not just Verizon who stamps their frackin' phones, every carrier, even AT&T, seems to do it. I'm just glad Apple stood up and said, "Not here, buddy!" :ok:ok

Fair enough. I prefer unbranded phones myself. AT&T treats Apple like royalty, of course Apple got their way.

Google actually had a big part in designing the Droid, probably a larger part than they have with the other Android phones on the market that were designed more by their manuf.

Also, only Android phones "with Google" will have a Google stamp. Not all of them are "with Google".

I would think that software updates would initiate with Google. The question to be answered is how long after Google updates the Android, will VZW roll it out. I don't think Motorola would have much to do with Android updates....

~S

Each carrier needs to roll the update out themselves. Google will release the update, first the dev version and then the user version...but it's up to each carrier to send it out OTA.

Of course if you're like me, you'll have had the update weeks in advance.

Microsoft gives licenses to the OEMs like HTC, not the carrier. For each specific hardware platform, the OEM then has to adapt the update to its specific incarnation. Once adapted, the carrier then gets a crack (supposedly for testing network compatibility).

The point of the argument is that Apple, Google via T-Mobile, and Palm via Sprint have bucked the trend and provided seamless updates. In two out of the three cases, we were looking at only 1 hardware platform (Apple, Palm Pre). In the case of T-Mobile, with only the G1 and later the My Touch 3G, updates really haven't been a problem.

What happens when you throw in Samsung, Motorola, Dell, and HTC devices under the same or even different carriers? Will AT&T push out the next OS update to GSM users while VZW leaves its users with their heads in the sand?

Different networks will get their updates at different times. If the phone is running a custom UI like MotoBLUR or HTC SenseUI, then I believe those companies have to release a seperate update of their custom UI with the new build of Android which takes a month or two as well. If the phone is running vanilla Android, it should get the update from the carrier regardless of what brand their phone is.

[TarekElsakka]

You really piss me off. You keep insisting on the very same question. How about you buy a ******* iPhone and find that out yourself? Jeez.

[Londonrockz568]

Deathwish, please remember that this is an iPhone forum. Don't expect to see Android fans here. Here is a good idea that might help you and everyone here..

http://androidforums.com/register.php

Bye.

I love how he clearly is trolling everyone here.

[ZR_Yancy]

I like turtles!

[TarekElsakka]

I don't. But would the Ninja Turtles count?

[Deathwish238]

You really piss me off. You keep insisting on the very same question. How about you buy a ******* iPhone and find that out yourself? Jeez.

lol. Unfortunately as a college student, buying phones on whim is not a luxury I can enjoy. If you want to donate one, I'ld be more than happy to accept it.

Why is this such a hard question for you? I've said nothing to piss you off...learn to debate dude.

It's an important question when comparing two competing devices. What can they each do that the other can't?

[diverdown]

Deathwish238,

You ask for opinions about the iphone then compare them to Android. This thread is meaningless.....you can not compare the iphone to a phone that has not been released.

Also, these kind of comparison threads are to subjective ... Each particular phone appears to people in different ways ..... much the same as cars. Each phone has its own particular set of options, but basically is just a phone. One must evaluate the options of each and make their own mind up.

Based upon your posts it seems that your mind is made up that the options of the upcoming Droid phone seem to suit you. That's great, get the Droid when it comes out and give a complete review of the device.

~S

[TarekElsakka]

Thank you for explaining, diverdown. I waned to tell him that the phone he is in love with is not even released yet. And if he's talking about the Android OS itself, take the G1 as an example; total failure compared to the iPhone. I am not an iPhone fanboy, but I hate it when some one comes comparing the iPhone with another one when he's already against the iPhone and made up his mind about buying the other one but trying to make sure he is making the right decision and waiting for some one to point out the weakness points of an iPhone. Do you understand what I am saying to you? Please take some time off this thread because you already made up your mind (you love the God ******* Droid and dislike the iPhone and trying to prove your point that it's superior). We got it, okay?

[Londonrockz568]

lol. Unfortunately as a college student, buying phones on whim is not a luxury I can enjoy. If you want to donate one, I'ld be more than happy to accept it.

Why is this such a hard question for you? I've said nothing to piss you off...learn to debate dude.

It's an important question when comparing two competing devices. What can they each do that the other can't?

Deathwish. Lets drop the condescending tone, and one ups on the iphone mkay? When someone makes a comparison, they are comparing similar features. Not what a different device from a different company can do over the another company's device in the case of technology.

We've seen this type of thing and your kind of people here time and time again touting some phone as the next best thing to put strong competition towards the iphone. Some have even gone so far as to claim a device is an iphone killer. In these days especially now, a phone can have so much better things than the iphone. However if its not popular or it cant sell as well as the iPhone did then the iphone still remains on top. There are PLENTY of phones that do things/have things better than the iphone but those said phones are either:
(A) Very Expensive selling mostly unsubsidized.
(B) Not selling very well.
(C) Marketed poorly or not to the mass market consumer or even the US.
(D) All of the above.

Features is one thing, but if the phone hardly sells then it just falls to the wayside like so many others. What im trying to say is, feature wise yes its great for competition to do equivalent or better than the iPhone however i strongly believe that EVERY competing company's goal is to outsell the iphone or at least take some slice of the cake.

Sidenote* The iPhone has become to unofficial standard to which companies base phones off now? Amazing... and that goes to show what happens when a company makes a quality product that is good. It sells brilliantly, its powerful and well made. Its almost like how certain car makers use the Porsche 911 Turbo for their standard when making a supercar.

The points brought up in the astroturfing and bragging ads from Verizon are nit picks and over analyzations at best. Especially the "iDont have a physical keyboard" despite that Apple is a minimalist company when it comes to design and this minimalism DNA is in every product from Appleinc. The iPhone is just a fancy and innovative use of software to replace physical hardware inside a metal but now polycarbonite shell with glass. In other words, efficient, sleek, and not full of things that really dont need to be there or things that can be replaced by clever thinking and the creation of software.

You seem to like to one up every aspect of the iphone with some aspect of the android phone. To be honest, who cares! the phone is from motorola running google software on a CDMA carrier and the iPhone is from Apple running Apple software on a GSM carrier. Its like saying "my Orange has more citrus and vitamins than your Apple does".

[Deathwish238]

Deathwish238,

You ask for opinions about the iphone then compare them to Android. This thread is meaningless.....you can not compare the iphone to a phone that has not been released.

Also, these kind of comparison threads are to subjective ... Each particular phone appears to people in different ways ..... much the same as cars. Each phone has its own particular set of options, but basically is just a phone. One must evaluate the options of each and make their own mind up.

Based upon your posts it seems that your mind is made up that the options of the upcoming Droid phone seem to suit you. That's great, get the Droid when it comes out and give a complete review of the device.

~S

I'm not looking to compare opinions, I'm looking for facts. Things the phones can or can't do.

The thread isn't meaningless simply because we know what Android can do this far so it gives you a very good idea of what you can expect the Droid to do...everything current Android phones can do and more.

Yes each phone has a different set of "options" as you put it. I'm trying to find out the "options" the iPhone offers over Android.



btw, I actually probably won't be getting the Droid. It's good, but I'm waiting for a 1GHz SnapDragon based phone.

[Londonrockz568]

I'm not looking to compare opinions, I'm looking for facts. Things the phones can or can't do.

The thread isn't meaningless simply because we know what Android can do this far so it gives you a very good idea of what you can expect the Droid to do...everything current Android phones can do and more.

Yes each phone has a different set of "options" as you put it. I'm trying to find out the "options" the iPhone offers over Android.

btw, I actually probably won't be getting the Droid. It's good, but I'm waiting for a 1GHz SnapDragon based phone.

:Facepalms:

This thread IS meaningless simply because we know what the iphone can do and we know what the Droid phone can do. You are speaking about the Droid phone like the iPhone 3gs is the last offering from Apple ever. Lets keep in mind, Apple is on their 3rd iteration of the Apple iPhone. Android and the Droid phone are new yet it has taken them how long to catch up?

You want to find out what the iphone 3Gs can do?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/iphone/apps-for-iphone/

Add to this that there are "Apps for everything" as Apple states and the world knows and its not just some simpleton phone.
Add again to that, that there are Jailbroken apps for everything and the world knows this and the iPhone is an amazing piece of technology.

[ZR_Yancy]

What US Carrier is a SnapDragon based phone going to be released on?

Nevermind...it's a WinMo phone. FAIL.

[Deathwish238]

Thank you for explaining, diverdown. I waned to tell him that the phone he is in love with is not even released yet. And if he's talking about the Android OS itself, take the G1 as an example; total failure compared to the iPhone.

How is it a failure? Do please tell me. If the G1 is a failure, Android is a failure. The G1 is not perfect by any means, but calling it a failure is just wrong. Anything selling millions of units cannot be called a failure.

I am not an iPhone fanboy, but I hate it when some one comes comparing the iPhone with another one when he's already against the iPhone and made up his mind about buying the other one but trying to make sure he is making the right decision and waiting for some one to point out the weakness points of an iPhone. Do you understand what I am saying to you? Please take some time off this thread because you already made up your mind (you love the God ******* Droid and dislike the iPhone and trying to prove your point that it's superior). We got it, okay?

You've been the biggest fanboy in this thread. Big bold statements about the product you love but you have yet to back it up with any facts.

I'm not asking for anyone's help for what phone I'm getting next. I'm simply wanting to learn more about the iPhone. There's a small chance I'll get a Droid, but a higher chance that I won't. Either way, getting an iPhone is not even an option to me.

Don't talk to me like I'm some idiot.

Deathwish. Lets drop the condescending tone, and one ups on the iphone mkay? When someone makes a comparison, they are comparing similar features not what a different device from a different company can do over the other in the case of technology.

Are you trying to tell me that I shouldn't be comparing two smartphones? When you compare phones, you can compare everything. Features, network, technology, OS, etc, etc. It's all part of the phone...

We've seen this type of thing and your kind of people here time and time again touting some phone as the next best thing to put strong competition towards the iphone. Some have even gone so far as to claim a device is an iphone killer. In these days especially now, a phone can have so much better things than the iphone. However if its not popular or it cant sell as well as the iPhone did then the iphone still remains on top. There are PLENTY of phones that do things/have things better than the iphone but those said phones are either:
(A) Very Expensive selling mostly unsubsidized.
(B) Not selling very well.
(C) Marketed poorly or not to the mass market consumer or even the US.
(D) All of the above.

Features is one thing, but if the phone hardly sells then it just falls to the wayside like so many others. What im trying to say is, feature wise yes its great for competition to do equivalent or better than the iPhone however i strongly believe that the almost EVERY competing company's goal is to outsell the iphone or at least take some slice of the cake.

Marketing is very important indeed. Apple can attribute a lot of its success to its uber marketing.

However, the Droid should be $200 or less w/ contract, has the potential to sell very well as VZW is a huge network and lacks good phones and the DRoid is being marketed very aggressively. I'm not going to call it an iPhone killer until it's out and I can read reviwes. I was dissapointed by the Cliq...it could but hopefully won't happen again.

Sidenote* The iPhone has become to unofficial standard to which companies base phones off now? Amazing... and that goes to show what happens when a company makes a quality product that is good. It sells brilliantly, its powerful and well made. Its almost like how certain car makers use the Porsche 911 Turbo for their standard when making a supercar.

The points brought up in the astroturfing and bragging ads from Verizon are nit picks at best. You seem to like to one up every aspect of the iphone with some aspect of the android phone. To be honest, who cares! the phone is from motorola running google software on a CDMA carrier and the iPhone is from Apple running Apple software on a GSM carrier. Its like saying "my Orange has more citrus and vitamins than your Apple does".

Nit picks? You call multitasking nitpicking?

What do you mean who cares? Say someone's contract is up and they're looking for a new phone. Where do they go? If the Droid does well, they may end up going to VZW over AT&T.

[Deathwish238]

:Facepalms:

This thread IS meaningless simply because we know what the iphone can do and we know what the Droid phone can do. You are speaking about the Droid phone like the iPhone 3gs is the last offering from Apple ever. Lets keep in mind, Apple is on their 3rd iteration of the Apple iPhone. Android and the Droid phone are new yet it has taken them how long to catch up?

No it's not meaningless. There's no simple way to find out that the iPhone can do Voice and Data for example. That's a nice perk and I bet many iPhone users don't even know about it either.

Android is now 1 year old to the day.

The 3GS came out in June, so 5-6 months for the Droid to come out? Not too long imo.

Apple tends to release a phone every year, so you have another 6-8 months before the next iPhone. By then, there will be better Android phones too.

It makes sense to compare the 3GS with the Droid. They're the most similar in specs...sharing the same cpu.



You want to find out what the iphone 3Gs can do?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/iphone/apps-for-iphone/

Add to this that there are "Apps for everything" as Apple states and the world knows and its not just some simpleton phone.
Add again to that, that there are Jailbroken apps for everything and the world knows this and the iPhone is an amazing piece of technology.

Specs don't tell you how the phone runs or its details. They give you an idea, but definitely don't paint the whole picture. It's like buying a car based on specs.

Android has Apps for everything too. Are there any Apps you know of that Android doesn't have? Seems like most everything on Apple's market has an Android equivalent. Android games are subpar though...but Android does partially redeem itself with awesome emulators on the app market.

Yes the iPhone is a great piece of technology, but people act like it's the only excellent phone out there.


What US Carrier is a SnapDragon based phone going to be released on?

Nevermind...it's a WinMo phone. FAIL.

lol WinMo...yeah that OS is a fail. Not touching that again.

Still, the HTC HD2 is a beautiful piece of hardware. Rumors are the Android version will be called the Dragon, but who knows.

The Acer Liquid is also coming out, but not sure which US carrier will pick it up. Does look quite nice though, especially in red.

Several SnapDragon phones will come out in the US in 2010...count on it. The next iPhone will probably have a SnapDragon in it too.

[Eragon]

The more I follow this thread the more I'm convinced that Deathwish is not a troll. He is actually providing good information in every one of his replies.

There are many forum members who lurk or are active members of this forum. This thread is appropriately titled as thoughts about the Verizon Android phone. The topic is appropriately located in a General Discussion section of the forum. And, it is entirely appropriate to make comparisons between the iPhone and the Verizon Android device.

The ones who are being antagonists are actually forum members with high post counts. Deathwish is not attacking your decision/reason for loving the iPhone. He wants information. He is providing it as well.

To forum members other than Deathwish, grow up. Your behavior in this thread is positively embarrassing. I encourage you all to read the forum rules.

To Deathwish, two points:

1. Welcome to EIC. Your contributions are much appreciated, and I hope, really hope your participation continues.

2. I am extremely excited about the Droid. I am considering upgrading my BB Storm in March to an upcoming Android device to supplement my iPhone.

Again, Welcome to EIC :ok:ok

[kevlar08]

lol. Unfortunately as a college student, buying phones on whim is not a luxury I can enjoy. If you want to donate one, I'ld be more than happy to accept it.

Why is this such a hard question for you? I've said nothing to piss you off...learn to debate dude.

It's an important question when comparing two competing devices. What can they each do that the other can't?

on paper the droid looks like a great phone, but so did many others until they actually hit shelves like the storm. the problem is your comparing a phone that hasn't been released or used to a phone that has be released and loved for years now. Do i think the droid will be a descent phone yes, will it be the best option for verizon customers probably, will it be better than the iPhone, no. just like you sad there will be another android phone followed by another and another, the first droid will be forgotten much like the g1 and the storm now that there is a storm 2. what the iphone has going for it is that it is backed by not only a big and quality company in apple but also by a huge dominate carrier in AT&T. the popularity is what bring people to the phone and the user experiance is why people love it, you ask what can the iphone do that the droid cant, the biggest thing is to get non tech/geek/nerd average joes of all ages to want and use one. granted maybe the droid does have an alternate to every feature the iphone has, but if one thing is clear the iphones features weren't what made it the best phone on the market when it first came out

[Eragon]

on paper the droid looks like a great phone, but so did many others until they actually hit shelves like the storm. the problem is your comparing a phone that hasn't been released or used to a phone that has be released and loved for years now. Do i think the droid will be a descent phone yes, will it be the best option for verizon customers probably, will it be better than the iPhone, no. just like you sad there will be another android phone followed by another and another, the first droid will be forgotten much like the g1 and the storm now that there is a storm 2. what the iphone has going for it is that it is backed by not only a big and quality company in apple but also by a huge dominate carrier in AT&T. the popularity is what bring people to the phone and the user experiance is why people love it, you ask what can the iphone do that the droid cant, the biggest thing is to get non tech/geek/nerd average joes of all ages to want and use one. granted maybe the droid does have an alternate to every feature the iphone has, but if one thing is clear the iphones features weren't what made it the best phone on the market when it first came out

The iPhone and its competitors are as different as apples and oranges. Sure, we can make comparisons about network coverage, voice/data features, etc. The iPhone set the current standard in terms of what consumers want in a multi-functional device. Easy user interface; availability of 3rd party apps; ability to customize as the user desires. Right now, VZW has nothing. The upcoming Android phones provide VZW a potential path for providing devices consumers may want.

Who cares who thinks the iPhone is better than anything any company can put throw at it. I'm looking for features and functionality on the carrier I need to use. I've settled on the Blackberry Storm because nothing else came close to providing an experience on Verizon similar to the one I have with my iPhone. I'm excited for what Android can offer. Regardless of whatever device I upgrade my VZW line to, I still have my iPhone to meet the needs not otherwise addressed.

That doesn't make the iPhone a better or superior device IMO. It's just the device that meets my needs.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

The more I follow this thread the more I'm convinced that Deathwish is not a troll. He is actually providing good information in every one of his replies.

There are many forum members who lurk or are active members of this forum. This thread is appropriately titled as thoughts about the Verizon Android phone. The topic is appropriately located in a General Discussion section of the forum. And, it is entirely appropriate to make comparisons between the iPhone and the Verizon Android device.

The ones who are being antagonists are actually forum members with high post counts. Deathwish is not attacking your decision/reason for loving the iPhone. He wants information. He is providing it as well.

To forum members other than Deathwish, grow up. Your behavior in this thread is positively embarrassing. I encourage you all to read the forum rules.

To Deathwish, two points:

1. Welcome to EIC. Your contributions are much appreciated, and I hope, really hope your participation continues.

2. I am extremely excited about the Droid. I am considering upgrading my BB Storm in March to an upcoming Android device to supplement my iPhone.

Again, Welcome to EIC :ok:ok

I'm glad that you don't speak for all of us.

[TarekElsakka]

How is it a failure? Do please tell me. If the G1 is a failure, Android is a failure. The G1 is not perfect by any means, but calling it a failure is just wrong. Anything selling millions of units cannot be called a failure.

You've been the biggest fanboy in this thread. Big bold statements about the product you love but you have yet to back it up with any facts.

I'm not asking for anyone's help for what phone I'm getting next. I'm simply wanting to learn more about the iPhone. There's a small chance I'll get a Droid, but a higher chance that I won't. Either way, getting an iPhone is not even an option to me.

Don't talk to me like I'm some idiot.


All the reviews I heard about the G1 were negative. To me, that's a failure.

Then what the **** is all the comparing about? Since you're not getting it, you can just follow the link Londonrockz gave (the specs one) and you'll know its specs. If you want reviews, you can visit GSMArena or CNET Reviews. Happy now?

[Eragon]

I'm glad that you don't speak for all of us.

I'm glad too.

[Eragon]

Happy now?

I think you should revisit this link on forum policy:

http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/how-to-guides-forums/everything-icafe-forum-policy-6737.html

[ZR_Yancy]

Can't we all just get along?

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/407/imagern.jpg

[Hawk]

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/01/motorola-droid-will-be-verizons-android-handset-from-motorola/
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/handsets/motorola-droid/?gal_set_page=250

[Eragon]

Verizon is expending a lot of resources on ads for the Droid. It would be a disaster for Verizon if the actual device failed to live up to its hype. They've already burned bridges to Apple. Or have they? Is it possible this is just a ploy to build up hype for the 4g LTE iPhone?

[Deathwish238]

The more I follow this thread the more I'm convinced that Deathwish is not a troll. He is actually providing good information in every one of his replies.

There are many forum members who lurk or are active members of this forum. This thread is appropriately titled as thoughts about the Verizon Android phone. The topic is appropriately located in a General Discussion section of the forum. And, it is entirely appropriate to make comparisons between the iPhone and the Verizon Android device.

The ones who are being antagonists are actually forum members with high post counts. Deathwish is not attacking your decision/reason for loving the iPhone. He wants information. He is providing it as well.

To forum members other than Deathwish, grow up. Your behavior in this thread is positively embarrassing. I encourage you all to read the forum rules.

To Deathwish, two points:

1. Welcome to EIC. Your contributions are much appreciated, and I hope, really hope your participation continues.

2. I am extremely excited about the Droid. I am considering upgrading my BB Storm in March to an upcoming Android device to supplement my iPhone.

Again, Welcome to EIC :ok:ok

haha, thank you. I wasn't expecting that! :dft010:smiling

on paper the droid looks like a great phone, but so did many others until they actually hit shelves like the storm. the problem is your comparing a phone that hasn't been released or used to a phone that has be released and loved for years now.

Valid point, but we have a good idea of how it will work based on Android's current state and the Cliq showing us MotoBlur. The Cliq is to the 3G as the Droid is to the 3GS. The biggest hype around the Droid is it being the first Android phone with the Cortex-A8, the same cpu as the 3GS. Android needs power and RAM because multitasking on it is something you more or less have to do....and that's exactly what the Droid is delivering. Other than that, it's still Android. Android 2.0 on my G1 will be very similar to Android 2.0 on the Droid, just most likely slower.

The Storm on the other hand was RIM's first touchscreen phone and so we didn't have nearly as much insight on what to expect.

I see no problem comparing a new device to a phone that's been around for a while. The iPhone did the same thing to WinMo and Nokia phones when it came out.

Do i think the droid will be a descent phone yes, will it be the best option for verizon customers probably, will it be better than the iPhone, no. just like you sad there will be another android phone followed by another and another, the first droid will be forgotten much like the g1 and the storm now that there is a storm 2.

Well that's true, but newer Android phones don't take away from older Android phones anymore than the 3GS takes away from the 3G.

what the iphone has going for it is that it is backed by not only a big and quality company in apple but also by a huge dominate carrier in AT&T. the popularity is what bring people to the phone and the user experiance is why people love it, you ask what can the iphone do that the droid cant, the biggest thing is to get non tech/geek/nerd average joes of all ages to want and use one. granted maybe the droid does have an alternate to every feature the iphone has, but if one thing is clear the iphones features weren't what made it the best phone on the market when it first came out

Only being on AT&T has hurt the iPhone imo (http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/02/iphone.att.service/index.html). Not only has AT&T's network suffered massively(I get dropped calls all the time now) but the iPhone would sell more units by being on other networks as well. I would have understood a limited exclusive release for AT&T, but not having a CDMA version of such a huge phone is missing out on a huge market.


All the reviews I heard about the G1 were negative. To me, that's a failure.

The reviews you heard about? So you didn't actually read any?

Plus, the G1 when it came out was running the first version of Android that came out..we're now several updates down the line. Think about the difference between iPhone OS 1.0 and 2.0. Faster, more features, etc

Not to mention, the reviews were good...just not amazing. Cnet gave the G1 (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/t-mobile-g1-black/4505-6452_7-33283585.html?tag=mncol;lst) a 3.5 star compared to the 3G (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-3g-8gb/4505-6452_7-33064709.html?tag=mncol;lst) and 3GS receivng a 4 star. You going to tell me the difference between failure and not failure is 0.5 stars?

At least read the reviews before you recommend them lol. Also, this still cracks me up from the Cnet review "The iPhone 3G continues to lack some basic features that are available on even the simplest cell phone."

Then what the **** is all the comparing about? Since you're not getting it, you can just follow the link Londonrockz gave (the specs one) and you'll know its specs. If you want reviews, you can visit GSMArena or CNET Reviews. Happy now?

Because I'm into cellphones and their technology. I'm may not be getting all the latest phones but I will still read about it and learn about it...find out its ins and outs. To really know your own devices you need to know about the other devices out there. How else can you know what you should and should not expect from a device? For example, I really like the Pre's gestures. They're quite convenient and save time. If I didn't know anything about the Pre, I wouldn't know that I'm missing out on a pretty nice feature.

[Eragon]

Thanks, Deathwish. All very good points. The Motorola Calgary is expected to be VZW's first Motoblur device. Do you think the Calgary's CPU will be able to adequately support that UI? Another good question would be whether VZW would allow users the ability to customize home replacements. Turn off Motoblur, etc.

[Eragon]

Because I'm into cellphones and their technology. I'm may not be getting all the latest phones but I will still read about it and learn about it...find out its ins and outs. To really know your own devices you need to know about the other devices out there. How else can you know what you should and should not expect from a device?

This is what makes you such a valuable member to the everything communities. I too am a cell phone junkie, and can't get enough information.

[Eragon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut3HAdCGHxs&feature=player_embedded

[kdarling]

I liked this video...

iDon't Care (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTtEeTuc1Hw)

[Deathwish238]

Thanks, Deathwish. All very good points. The Motorola Calgary is expected to be VZW's first Motoblur device. Do you think the Calgary's CPU will be able to adequately support that UI? Another good question would be whether VZW would allow users the ability to customize home replacements. Turn off Motoblur, etc.

The Calgary has the same CPU as the Cliq. So it'll run quite well. Once the G1's Cliq port becomes stable, it'll quite possibly be my daily ROM.

Once it's rooted you'll be able to put any ROM you want that support the Calgary. Check out a Hero ROM or vanilla Android...or the Tattoo...or the Pulse...or the Magic...lol. There are lots of ROMs from lots of devices...and usually several variations and mashups of each of those. But what's nice is that there are easy ways to switch between them while preserving the state your that ROM was in when you "saved" it. I'll check out new ROMs all the time...but keep my stable ROM setup with all my apps and settings "saved" letting me go back to it when I want.

This is what makes you such a valuable member to the everything communities. I too am a cell phone junkie, and can't get enough information.

haha, can't tell you how many hours I've spent on Android and phone stuff instead of studying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut3HAdCGHxs&feature=player_embedded

lol yeah it's hilarious.

"Droid" being licensed from Lucasfilms is random and cool. Be fun to see a Star Wars Droid edition!

[Londonrockz568]

I liked this video...

iDon't Care (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTtEeTuc1Hw)

I wish i had more thanks for that post. Thankyou kdarling.
Thankyou so much. and Thankyou again.

Also idk what Eragons issue is but sir please kindly step down from your highhorse and speak for yourself.

Thankyou.

[Deathwish238]

Your signature paints quite a picture of yourself!

The iDon't Care response was mildly amusing

[Eragon]

I wish i had more thanks for that post. Thankyou kdarling.
Thankyou so much. and Thankyou again.

Also idk what Eragons issue is but sir please kindly step down from your highhorse and speak for yourself.

Thankyou.

Thanks, London. I understand your position, as well as the others in this thread. Remember this: you don't own this forum; you have to abide by the rules just like the rest of us. Deathwish's discussions are completely on topic. Nothing he has stated violates the forum rules. The mods have not locked this thread due to its being off-topic.

If anybody is on the high horse, it's the EIC members who need to re-read the forum rules. Either discuss the pros and cons like Deathwish is trying to do, or don't post at all. Until I get a cease/desist PM from Chris or a mod, I will continue to speak for others who I feel are being unfairly ram-rodded. The behavior being revealed in this thread is not the behavior EIC warrants. It is childish and unnecessary.

[TarekElsakka]

I will continue to speak for others who I feel are being unfairly ram-rodded.

Eragon, you're a superhero.

I won't even continue discussing this with that Deathwish guy because maybe he did come here to find out the pros and cons of the iPhone but then his goal became smashing the iPhone (because he isn't getting one, or can't, what ever) and praising the Droid, even before it comes out.

London, just ignore this thread or Eragon will ban you with his superpowers.

[Deathwish238]

Eragon, you're a superhero.

I won't even continue discussing this with that Deathwish guy because maybe he did come here to find out the pros and cons of the iPhone but then his goal became smashing the iPhone (because he isn't getting one, or can't, what ever) and praising the Droid, even before it comes out.

London, just ignore this thread or Eragon will ban you with his superpowers.

You have yet to actually discuss anything. Literally, you have given opinions with no supporting facts.

I'm not smashing the iPhone. It would be pretty obvious if I was.

This thread is called "What do you think about the Verizon Android Phone?". It is not called "Are you buying the Verizon Android Phone?" as you seem to stress that my buying or not buying a phone has anything to do with this thread.

Good job ignoring my questions btw. Your silence speaks for itself :ok:ok

[Eragon]

Here's a rumor that without contract, VZW would want to sell the Droid for $599. No info with contract. Price seems comparable to the first iPhone when it was released without subsidy.

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/22/motorola-droid-599-at-best-buy-arriving-october-24th/

[diverdown]

Here's a rumor that without contract, VZW would want to sell the Droid for $599. No info with contract. Price seems comparable to the first iPhone when it was released without subsidy.

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/22/motorola-droid-599-at-best-buy-arriving-october-24th/

I would venture a guess and say that VZW will sell the Droid with a new contract for $199.00 or 249.99.....

~S

[Londonrockz568]

Eragon please tell me which rules im not adhering to. Thankyou.

Since i doubt you'll find ANYTHING... please stop attempting to micro mod.

You are not the peoples champ or their voice. They have fingers, if they want to talk then talk.

We have seen this kind of crap (hyped up iphone killers/or phones that are better with a bias towards the "better phone") time and time again. Its amusing and i have to admit this thread so far has been quite decent in keeping from being so biased for both the iphone and this Droid phone.

Until the Droid phone comes out, and if Verizon can move the product like how Apple has, then most of all this is just specsheet speculation. Until millions use and live with the phone thats when people will love or hate the phone.

And yes, i do agree with Tarek. The T-mobile G1 was a major failure.

[TarekElsakka]

As I said, I won't go on discussing that with this dude. I just wanted to add something, if you're talking spec-sheet, take a look at this phone - http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-2615.php

Do you think there's anything that phone can not do? It is one of the most powerful smart phones ever. Did it become a huge success or sell like the iPhone, though? No. :)

So that means not all up-coming Phones that are awesome in specs are going to be as good as the iPhone.

And to answer the question that's been stuck up your butt (excuse the language) ever since you started posting in this thread, those are some of the iPhone's cons:

In-complete bluetooth support (unless you jailbreak)

No flash for the camera

iTunes synchronization (different computer = complete data loss unless you back up your library and keep loading it on all computers you use)

I don't know what else is there, but those are the only ones that do have a very little effect on me. I am going to look up the bluetooth thing, I heard there is an application that can unlock the bluetooth to make it work with other devices, not too sure, though.

[Deathwish238]

Here's a rumor that without contract, VZW would want to sell the Droid for $599. No info with contract. Price seems comparable to the first iPhone when it was released without subsidy.

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/22/motorola-droid-599-at-best-buy-arriving-october-24th/

I hope it's only $200 w/ contract. $250 is a bit much, but wouldn't be too bad I guess.

Eragon please tell me which rules im not adhering to. Thankyou.

Since i doubt you'll find ANYTHING... please stop attempting to micro mod.

You are not the peoples champ or their voice. They have fingers, if they want to talk then talk.
I've seen these rules broken, not all necessarily by you..but by other members in this thread as well:
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/how-to-guides-forums/everything-icafe-forum-policy-6737.html#post61423)
You must show respect for fellow members (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/how-to-guides-forums/everything-icafe-forum-policy-6737.html#post61433)
No foul language (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/how-to-guides-forums/everything-icafe-forum-policy-6737.html#post61430)

We have seen this kind of crap (hyped up iphone killers/or phones that are better with a bias towards the "better phone") time and time again. Its amusing and i have to admit this thread so far has been quite decent in keeping from being so biased for both the iphone and this Droid phone.

You do realize you just contradicted yourself. You're calling this thread bias and then saying it's quite decent in keeping from being biased. :dft011:wicked_smile

Until the Droid phone comes out, and if Verizon can move the product like how Apple has, then most of all this is just specsheet speculation. Until millions use and live with the phone thats when people will love or hate the phone.

And yes, i do agree with Tarek. The T-mobile G1 was a major failure.

You're contradicting yourself a bit here too. You call a success "Until millions use and live with the phone thats when people will love or hate the phone."

The G1 has sold more than one million units. The G2 has sold more than a million units. There are millions of Android devices out there, Android is about tied with Palm for marketshare in the USA and it's only growing. Seeing how most people love their Android phones, that's a success.



Maybe this will make you all take Android a little more seriously:

Android to beat iPhone by 2012, Gartner analysts claim (http://www.9to5mac.com/google_android_versus_apple_iphone)

global market share break down for 2012: - Symbian: 203 million handsets, 39 percent of the market;
- Google Android: 76 million handsets, 14.5 percent of the market;
- Apple iPhone OS: 71.5 million handsets, 13.7 percent of the market;
- Windows Mobile: 66.8 million handsets, 12.8 percent of the market;
- RIM BlackBerry OS: 65.25 million handsets, 12.5 percent of the market;
- Linux variants: 28 million handsets, 5.4 percent of the market;
- Palm webOS: 11 million handsets, 2.1 percent of the market.


Yes 2012 is a couple years off, but the iPhone had a couple year advantage.


As I said, I won't go on discussing that with this dude. I just wanted to add something, if you're talking spec-sheet, take a look at this phone - http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-2615.php

Do you think there's anything that phone can not do? It is one of the most powerful ever. Did it become a huge success or sell like the iPhone, though? No. :)

So that means not all up-coming Phones that are awesome in specs are going to be as good as the iPhone.

The failure of one does not mean the failure of another.

For one, the N97 has a resistive touch screen. I would never buy it based on that alone. And secondly, it runs Symbian. I doubt you've ever touched Symbian, but it's slow as hell. Third, it wasn't brought under any carrier in the USA...so it was ridiculously pricey.


You're going to have to do better than that :dft003:coolkid

[Deathwish238]

And to answer the question that's been stuck up your butt (excuse the language) ever since you started posting in this thread, those are some of the iPhone's cons:

In-complete bluetooth support (unless you jailbreak)

No flash for the camera

iTunes synchronization (different computer = complete data loss unless you back up your library and keep loading it on all computers you use)

I don't know what else is there, but those are the only ones that do have a very little effect on me. I am going to look up the bluetooth thing, I heard there is an application that can unlock the bluetooth to make it work with other devices, not too sure, though.

lol that wasn't my question. My question is "What can the iPhone do that Android cannot?"


btw, cloud syncing and updates are very very nice. Many people hate to connect their phone to their computer. With Android, you generally never have to unless you want to put mp3s or files on your phone. And imo...drag & drop > any app.

[diverdown]

So android is going to overtake the iPhone in 2012...... Hmmm. Maybe the Mayans were correct about the world ending....



[TarekElsakka]

Haha, that comment made me laugh, diverdown. I remember the Mayans and the thread about it thing lol!

@Deathwish, I cannot answer that question because I don't use Android, sorry. I like how you can sync a lot of phones just using Bluetooth, like Nokias, so if Apple can make that happen then that would be an impressive addition that I wouldn't mind paying for.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

So android is going to overtake the iPhone in 2012...... Hmmm. Maybe the Mayans were correct about the world ending....



I think the 2012 prediction is a bit nebulous here in late 2009, but I believe that competition is good. Neither platform will be standing still, so it's hard to tell what the real story will be over two years from now.

[Eragon]

lol that wasn't my question. My question is "What can the iPhone do that Android cannot?"


btw, cloud syncing and updates are very very nice. Many people hate to connect their phone to their computer. With Android, you generally never have to unless you want to put mp3s or files on your phone. And imo...drag & drop > any app.

Death,

A quick google on the phrase "What can the iPhone do that Android cannot?" turns up a good list of hints. Here's an example link that contains the type of info you have been patiently asking for:

http://theappleblog.com/2009/09/08/android-still-cant-touch-the-iphone/

With regard to cloud syncing, the recent Sidekick fiasco where Danger almost lost all of the Sidekick user data is a reminder that cloud syncing, though a good idea, still has a way to go in terms of reliability and safety. Here's a link I found on that subject:

http://gearshrine.com/iPhone/post:the-t-mobile-sidekick-data-failure-and-what-it-means-to-iphone-users/


The G1 was not a major failure. Here are reliable device reviews:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/T-Mobile-G1-Android.htm


MyTouch3G

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/T-Mobile-myTouch-3G.htm

Keep asking questions, and we'll keep finding answers.

[Eragon]

I think the 2012 prediction is a bit nebulous here in late 2009, but I believe that competition is good. Neither platform will be standing still, so it's hard to tell what the real story will be over two years from now.

I agree with you completely. The prediction is taken out of context. Although Android's market share is expected to become second to Nokia, Apple's revenue is expected be explosive. Here's a link to an article describing this:

http://www.i4u.com/article27455.html

[iphonewarrior]

I think we need a subject change here, it should say 'Eragon and Deathwish take on EiC'

Regardless of whatever phone you choose to dislike or like. Please don't come
into a iPhone forum and tell eveyone how good Android is, as it's very very boring indeed.

However, there is one good thing about this thread, it tells us all that this phone/OS isn't out for a while yet. So let's save the speculation for a later date shall we.

I also 3rd the G1 being a failure, my best mate had one when i had an iPhone. He came out with all the specs, but at the end of the day, it could talk the talk but it couldn't walk the walk.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Death,

A quick google on the phrase "What can the iPhone do that Android cannot?" turns up a good list of hints. Here's an example link that contains the type of info you have been patiently asking for:

http://theappleblog.com/2009/09/08/android-still-cant-touch-the-iphone/



Now, honestly, couldn't he have figured out that search himself? :dft010:smiling

[Eragon]

I think we need a subject change here, it should say 'Eragon and Deathwish take on EiC'

Regardless of whatever phone you choose to like dislike or like. Please don't come
into a iPhone forum and tell eveyone how good Android is, as it's very very boring indeed.

However, there is one good thing about this thread, it tells us all that this phone/OS isn't out for a while yet. So let's save the speculation for a later date shall we.

I also 3rd the G1 being a failure, my best mate had one when i had an iPhone. He came out with all the specs, but at the end of the day, it could talk the talk but it couldn't walk the walk.

Thanks. Never had my own thread named after me. Thanks again for your useful contribution to this topic. It was really helpful in understanding the pros and cons of Android and iPhone OS.

[Eragon]

Now, honestly, couldn't he have figured out that search himself? :dft010:smiling

How many times have we tried to help people with questions here when all they had to do is search. :dft012:wink

There is a reason Google (search engine) is your friend!

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

That wasn't a slam at Deathwatch, but more of an observation...

[Deathwish238]

So android is going to overtake the iPhone in 2012...... Hmmm. Maybe the Mayans were correct about the world ending....



haha...I would see it more as the beginning of a new age :dft011:wicked_smile

Haha, that comment made me laugh, diverdown. I remember the Mayans and the thread about it thing lol!

@Deathwish, I cannot answer that question because I don't use Android, sorry. I like how you can sync a lot of phones just using Bluetooth, like Nokias, so if Apple can make that happen then that would be an impressive addition that I wouldn't mind paying for.

Fair enough, but given that...you can't make statements like:

The funny thing is.. the iPhone was released in 2007 yet most 2009 phones still can't even beat the V1 yet. Apple is just that smart.

and expect to be taken seriously.


I think the 2012 prediction is a bit nebulous here in late 2009, but I believe that competition is good. Neither platform will be standing still, so it's hard to tell what the real story will be over two years from now.

A lot of things can change in the next few years. Who knows, maybe Maemo will take off or WinMo 7 will actually be good(Win7 is great after all).

Lots can change, but Garnet predicting Android to be #2 in only a few years was quite a pleasant surprise. Basically supports my theory of Android having explosive growth

[chris]

I hate handing out infractions, especially when my evening should be all about watching the Yankees move one step closer to winning the World Series.

That being said, enough is enough here. If you are not here to discuss Droid in a civil manner, than simply ignore the thread and move on. Too many people in this thread for the wrong reasons.

Thank you for your understanding.

[ZR_Yancy]

So, is George Lucas gonna sue Google since droid belongs to them?

[chris]

So, is George Lucas gonna sue Google since droid belongs to them?

They licensed it from Lucas. The mailer for the launch event included R2D2.

[Deathwish238]

Death,

A quick google on the phrase "What can the iPhone do that Android cannot?" turns up a good list of hints. Here's an example link that contains the type of info you have been patiently asking for:

http://theappleblog.com/2009/09/08/android-still-cant-touch-the-iphone/

That article is crap, I've tried searching much...but it's hard to find unbiased info.

First off the dude went to his TMo store. Who expects to find a well functioning phone in store?

Scrolling? Really? The biggest difference in feel is probably because of the iPhone's glass screen. Either way, not really an issue or anything close to a deal breaker as the article implies.

Lack of Multitouch...this is true. But two things to say here.
1. Apple asked Google not to include multitouch. Google played it nice and said okay.
2. Android 2.0 will give native multitouch support to all Android phones. Also, the HTC SenseUI phones(Hero and nonUSA Magic) also have native multitouch. Works quite well when running a Hero ROM on my G1.

Too many menus? What? The "blind" as it's called at the top of the screen is something most iPhone users envy. A single place to get ALL your notifications for really anything...missed calls, voicemail, sms, ims as well as app specific things. Buttons are a good thing, lets you do some things quicker. I really like having a menu button, trackball, call/endcall buttons and a home and back button. I use them all the time and it means less moving for my thumb usually.

This article acts like the average person is too stupid to handle a couple menus.

The dude that wrote that article admits to not really knowing how to use Android. It's like me using Mac OS X for the first time and saying it sucks becuse I don't know how to use it.



With regard to cloud syncing, the recent Sidekick fiasco where Danger almost lost all of the Sidekick user data is a reminder that cloud syncing, though a good idea, still has a way to go in terms of reliability and safety. Here's a link I found on that subject:

http://gearshrine.com/iPhone/post:the-t-mobile-sidekick-data-failure-and-what-it-means-to-iphone-users/

lol that made me crack up when I read about it a while ago. Still, because everything is linked with your Gmail account(including calendar, contacts, etc)...this won't be an issue given that Google isn't retarded. I'm pretty sure Google also keeps several backups of their servers.

The G1 was not a major failure. Here are reliable device reviews:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/T-Mobile-G1-Android.htm

Directly contradicting the first article lol...notice easy to use and good capacitive display.

Pro: Fast and responsive, very easy to use, easy to download applications via the Android Market directly to the phone. Very good capacitive display, good camera photo quality and obviously excellent Gmail support. Excellent call quality.
Con: No 3.5mm headphone jack, can't shoot video, no A2DP, keyboard on brown model lacks contrast. On-board multimedia applications are weak other than the good mobile YouTube player. No desktop or Exchange syncing.


Good to know that the G1 can now shoot video, has A2DP and have free apps for better multimedia as well as exchange support.



I think we need a subject change here, it should say 'Eragon and Deathwish take on EiC'

Regardless of whatever phone you choose to dislike or like. Please don't come
into a iPhone forum and tell eveyone how good Android is, as it's very very boring indeed.

If you read the thread, you'll see I'm not just posting about Android's awesomeness. Positive things I say about Android are in defense to things said or in contrast to things said.

However, there is one good thing about this thread, it tells us all that this phone/OS isn't out for a while yet. So let's save the speculation for a later date shall we.

I also 3rd the G1 being a failure, my best mate had one when i had an iPhone. He came out with all the specs, but at the end of the day, it could talk the talk but it couldn't walk the walk.

You must be a bit confused. Android is now 366 days old and the Droid is coming out within the next 39 days guaranteed.

In what way do you think the G1 is a failure? Professional reviews and sales say otherwise.

[chris]

In what way do you think the G1 is a failure? Professional reviews and sales say otherwise.

The T-Mobile G1 was so-so. Positive reviews were probably more for Android, than for the hardware. If the G1 were a WinMo phone, it would be average at best.

[Eragon]

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/22/motorola-droid-specs-pics-features-at-motorola-com/

[ZR_Yancy]

That's A LOT of moving parts on that sucker. Slide out keypad & slide cover for camera. More things to wear down & break.

[Eragon]

That's A LOT of moving parts on that sucker. Slide out keypad & slide cover for camera. More things to wear down & break.

That's an excellent point. Wonder what would be covered under the 1 year warranty. For a lot of these devices, I wouldn't expect to keep the device longer than a year or so.

[kdarling]

That's an excellent point. Wonder what would be covered under the 1 year warranty. For a lot of these devices, I wouldn't expect to keep the device longer than a year or so.

Well, to start with, being able to multitask, change themes, run any program you want... are all okay with the warranty staying intact. (Sorry, that was a little joke about jailbreaking and Apple's abuse of their hardware warranty.)

I've had sliders, and had no problem. Of course, the warranty won't cover the phone if you drop it and break the keyboard off. But then, Verizon would've surely sold you insurance for $5 a month and you'd be okay.

[Londonrockz568]

Imho, Nokia's are better than the iPhone. If they would only develop an amazing GUI i would probably have one instead of my 3g.

Verizon halo phone... this Droid phone
AT&T has two Halo's Iphone, and Blackberry.
T-Mobiles halo was... the G1 (i dont know whats next)

[Eragon]

Here's a nice concise summary of the Droid's specs, courtesy of Android Central. Thoughts? Strengths/weaknesses?

runs Android 2.0 'Eclair'
3.7-inch WVGA (480x854), 16:9 touchscreen
550 MHz processor
6 oz (169g)
2.4 x 4.6 x.5 inches (60x115.80x13.70mm)
3.5mm headphone jack
Broswer will support Flash 10 in 2010
Wi-Fi, 3G, GPS, Bluetooth, microUSB (comes with 16gb microSDHC card)
1400 mAh battery (rated at nearly 6 and a half hours of usage time)
5 megapixel camera with image stabilization, 4x zoom, dual-led Flash, and auto-focus
the color is listed as: 'Licorice w/ brown sugar accents'

The only question that comes to my mind right now is the CPU. It seems underpowered for what it is intended to do. The snippets I've heard regarding other Android devices is that the current CPU (528 mHz) is woefully underpowered, thereby causing serious lag issues.

[Eragon]

Imho, Nokia's are better than the iPhone. If they would only develop an amazing GUI i would probably have one instead of my 3g.

I absolutely agree with you. With the market share Nokia has, I wonder why they haven't gotten on the GUI bandwagon? To me, the GUI is really what makes these devices shine.

[TarekElsakka]

Nokia has been dominant, at least in the Middle East. They have always been sold factory unlocked and without a warranty, and that's probably a major reason why. They have over 274 devices already, so that shows how successful Nokia really is. I agree with you, London, they really need to change GUI and I wouldn't mind buying one also. A N97 with WinMo would have been awesome, and I think I would have bought it instead of the 3G even though it costs more.

My Dad and I have had Nokia phones since 2000 or 2001, can't remember. A lot of them got stolen or lost, but some are still here since that time. Dad hates selling phones, I am the only one who does that here!

[Eragon]

Here's a good writeup from Macworld:

http://www.macworld.com/article/143382/2009/10/droid_iphone3gs.html

[Eragon]

Here's a link to the processor spec sheet. Not sure I understand what it says as I'm a nuclear engineer and not an electrical engineer. Apparently, this processor is onboard the Pre.

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html

[kdarling]

I absolutely agree with you. With the market share Nokia has, I wonder why they haven't gotten on the GUI bandwagon? To me, the GUI is really what makes these devices shine.

I thought that was why Nokia is moving to Maemo for high end devices?

Noka N900 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTtsZATwBQ)

Personally, I'd like an Android fan to explain which is better... the Moto Droid, or the HTC Hero, both of which it looks like will be on Verizon.

[chris]

I thought that was why Nokia is moving to Maemo for high end devices?

Noka N900 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTtsZATwBQ)

Personally, I'd like an Android fan to explain which is better... the Moto Droid, or the HTC Hero, both of which it looks like will be on Verizon.

Not an Android "fan" per say, but there are two major differences between the two:



Droid uses a much more robust processor than Hero. To date, the Android phones haven't seen a significant processor boost. Droid changes that.
Droid will use the base OS. Hero uses HTC's customized Sense UI.

I'm sure there are other differences, but these are the major ones IMHO. Faster processor and no custom UI on Droid.

[Eragon]

I thought that was why Nokia is moving to Maemo for high end devices?

Noka N900 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTtsZATwBQ)

Personally, I'd like an Android fan to explain which is better... the Moto Droid, or the HTC Hero, both of which it looks like will be on Verizon.

Who needs Android! I want the N900!!!!! :dft011:wicked_smile

Besides the obvious difference of hardware, the biggest difference between the Desire (VZW version of the Hero) and the Droid will be the UI. The HTC devices come equipped with the Sense UI. Reviews of the Sense UI on the Sprint Hero have been mixed. Boy Genius Report was extremely unhappy as the device appeared too laggy for typical use. My Blackberry Storm is laggy; I can truly appreciate the lack of lag. Here's a link to the BG's review:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/07/sprint-htc-hero-thoughts/


The Hero also uses the Qualcomm MSM7600. Not sure how this chip compares with the Cortex A8. But its clock speed is at 528 mHz.

[diverdown]

Not an Android "fan" per say, but there are two major differences between the two:



Droid uses a much more robust processor than Hero. To date, the Android phones haven't seen a significant processor boost. Droid changes that.
Droid will use the base OS. Hero uses HTC's customized Sense UI.

I'm sure there are other differences, but these are the major ones IMHO. Faster processor and no custom UI on Droid.


Running the base Android OS should allow for quicker OS updates to be pushed to customers as VZW will not have to do any customization ..... The slowness or lack of updates in the past has been a common complain of VZW smartphone customers....

~S

[iphonewarrior]

.....It was really helpful in understanding the pros and cons of Android and iPhone OS.

Easy now. I wasn't making any form of contribution. I think you guys need to remove the fuel from a possible bonfire.

There are pro's and con's of both phone's but who honestly cares, I don't know why various members including yourself, have gotten on your 'high horse' for some reason.

I think you just need to chill out a little. I don't care anyway lol.


I love my iPhone, we have a healthy relationship, it has a few things which I would like to change but I don't love it any less.

[iphonewarrior]

...I'm a nuclear engineer and not an electrical engineer.

Nuclear Engineer?

What exactly do you do? I work with a Nuclear Reactor day in day out. In fact I live next to one for months upon months. :dft011:wicked_smile

[Eragon]

I think you guys need to remove the fuel from a possible bonfire.

I love my iPhone, we have a healthy relationship, it has a few things which I would like to change but I don't love it any less.

Don't you mean nuclear melt-down? :dft010:smiling

I love my iPhone as well. There are certainly things I'd like to change, as well, such as the carrier it is on. If VZW were offering an iPhone right now, this whole thread would be irrelevant. Until then, I have to continue my struggle to find a VZW device I don't want to shove down a reactor cooling channel. Blackberry Storm, anyone?

If only Steve and Lowell were the best of buds!

[Eragon]

Nuclear Engineer?

What exactly do you do? I work with a Nuclear Reactor day in day out. In fact I live next to one for months upon months. :dft011:wicked_smile

I'm a criticality safety engineer. Although I work for government in an oversight/regulatory role, my job is to make sure facilities which handle fissionable materials (U235) can do so safely without creating an inadvertent criticality accident (unplanned nuclear reaction resulting in fatal doses of radiation to the immediate workers.)

[diverdown]

Don't you mean nuclear melt-down? :dft010:smiling

I love my iPhone as well. There are certainly things I'd like to change, as well, such as the carrier it is on. If VZW were offering an iPhone right now, this whole thread would be irrelevant. Until then, I have to continue my struggle to find a VZW device I don't want to shove down a reactor cooling channel. Blackberry Storm, anyone?

If only Steve and Lowell were the best of buds!

I hear many people beotching about AT&T's service and charges and wishing that the iphone was on VZW, but as a past VZW customer, they seem to nickle and dime their customers more than AT&T.... I could see VZW charging an additional fee for downloading apps.... :dft011:wicked_smile

So far, in the NYC area AT&T's service has been spot on......but I can see where the service issues would be an issue. Won't that be solved when all carriers switch over to the LTE (4G) networks?

~S

[iphonewarrior]

I'm a criticality safety engineer. Although I work for government in an oversight/regulatory role, my job is to make sure facilities which handle fissionable materials (U235) can do so safely without creating an inadvertent criticality accident (unplanned nuclear reaction resulting in fatal doses of radiation to the immediate workers.)

I don't like U235, I prefer U236, it's much better although it doesn't last long. Where I work it's used for power and propulsion.

You must have money coming out of your ears.......
:dft012:wink

[Eragon]

Won't that be solved when all carriers switch over to the LTE (4G) networks?

~S

I'm not so certain. Granted LTE will be on the 700 mHz spectrum. Both VZW and AT&T/T-Mobile radios will be able to access that functionality. The problem is the underlying infrastructure. VZW LTE will be overlayed on top of its existing EV-DO/1xRTT network to ensure continuous cellular coverage, not necessarily LTE. The GSM providers will have HSPA/EDGE/GPRS to fall back to.

Instead of an open and seamless cellular infrastructure, we'll still be just as fragmented as we are today. Faster, though, but still held by the you-know-whats by the carriers providing the service.

[Eragon]

You must have money coming out of your ears.......
:dft012:wink

I wish I had money coming out all 12 ears. At least having a secod head is good for conference calls. :dft010:smiling

[diverdown]

I'm not so certain. Granted LTE will be on the 700 mHz spectrum. Both VZW and AT&T/T-Mobile radios will be able to access that functionality. The problem is the underlying infrastructure. VZW LTE will be overlayed on top of its existing EV-DO/1xRTT network to ensure continuous cellular coverage, not necessarily LTE. The GSM providers will have HSPA/EDGE/GPRS to fall back to.

Instead of an open and seamless cellular infrastructure, we'll still be just as fragmented as we are today. Faster, though, but still held by the you-know-whats by the carriers providing the service.

So then essentially we will be in the same position we are in now..... handsets will all be LTE, but some will have GSM backdrops and some will have CDMA....

[iphonewarrior]

I wish I had money coming out all 12 ears. At least having a secod head is good for conference calls. :dft010:smiling

I think you need to take some potassium iodide tablets ;)

Have you ever tried them? They taste like ****. :dft006:unhappy

[Eragon]

I think you need to take some potassium iodide tablets ;)

Have you ever tried them? They taste like ****. :dft006:unhappy

What we have to endure to make sure we have electricity to keep our iPhones charged.:dft003:coolkid

[kdarling]

So then essentially we will be in the same position we are in now..... handsets will all be LTE, but some will have GSM backdrops and some will have CDMA....

Of course, if your carrier hasn't deployed LTE where you're at, you almost certainly won't be able to roam on the other carrier's towers.

(Figure the odds of AT&T and Verizon allowing roaming between them. )

[Eragon]

BG gives a good review of Droid. Bottom line from BGR and the link to the article follows:

Conclusion:
You know we roll at BGR, we don’t hold anything back — if it’s hot, it’s hot. If it’s not, it’s not, and we’re not afraid to call it like it is. The Motorola CLIQ was a pretty big disappointment for me personally, but oh man does the Droid make up for it. Sure, there’s a little hype sprinkled in because this is the first Android 2.0 device I’ve had the pleasure of using, but once you move past the initial “wow” factor, the Droid really delivers. Whether it’s Verizon’s ad campaign or Motorola’s that pits the Droid against the iPhone it doesn’t matter. The Droid isn’t an iPhone competitor because nothing at this point in time is an iPhone competitor besides the new iPhone. And things don’t have to be right now. Everyone can eat. So will the Motorola Droid be successful? Absolutely, we think. It will eat in to BlackBerry sales, Windows Mobile sales, and positively murder any lingering Palm Pre sales. It’s that good. Did you notice how Verizon still hasn’t announced the BlackBerry Storm2?
We really enjoyed using the Motorola Droid and think you’re going to love it. It’s not as straight forward as an iPhone and a little more involved than a BlackBerry, but if you’re up for the challenge, so is the Droid.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/23/motorola-droid-preview/#more-37012

Contrast this review with the one BG gave last week for the Sprint HTC Hero:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/07/sprint-htc-hero-thoughts/

[Eragon]

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/23/motorola-droid-launching-november-6th/

[Deathwish238]

Here's a nice concise summary of the Droid's specs, courtesy of Android Central. Thoughts? Strengths/weaknesses?

runs Android 2.0 'Eclair'
3.7-inch WVGA (480x854), 16:9 touchscreen
550 MHz processor
6 oz (169g)
2.4 x 4.6 x.5 inches (60x115.80x13.70mm)
3.5mm headphone jack
Broswer will support Flash 10 in 2010
Wi-Fi, 3G, GPS, Bluetooth, microUSB (comes with 16gb microSDHC card)
1400 mAh battery (rated at nearly 6 and a half hours of usage time)
5 megapixel camera with image stabilization, 4x zoom, dual-led Flash, and auto-focus
the color is listed as: 'Licorice w/ brown sugar accents'

The only question that comes to my mind right now is the CPU. It seems underpowered for what it is intended to do. The snippets I've heard regarding other Android devices is that the current CPU (528 mHz) is woefully underpowered, thereby causing serious lag issues.

Interesting...they're underclocking the CPU in the Droid as they did with the G1(runs at 384 MHz instead of full 528 MHz) but I'm sure we'll be able to speed it up to max speed like the G1s have too.

What matters here is the cpu itself and not just the cpu's speed. More below...

Here's a link to the processor spec sheet. Not sure I understand what it says as I'm a nuclear engineer and not an electrical engineer. Apparently, this processor is onboard the Pre.

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html

This is also the same cpu in the 3GS. Basically, the A8 can do more at once than the ARM11(the 528MHz CPUs) and is faster at doing things as well. On top of that, it's at a higher clock rate...but the main difference in speed is not from the clock rate really.

Think iPhone 3G vs iPhone 3GS. A lot of the speed boost of the 3GS is attributed to the upgrade of the cpu to a Cortex-A8 from the ARM11 in the 3G.

Also, the A8 has great support for 3D Applications and is able to run them much quicker than the ARM11 is able to...mainly a huge plus for gaming, but I'm interested in augmented reality applications as well. This will attract gaming devs to Android, something Android really needs.

This is the reason the Droid is going to be so great. Android needs this boost in power and this is the first phone running Android to do it.


I absolutely agree with you. With the market share Nokia has, I wonder why they haven't gotten on the GUI bandwagon? To me, the GUI is really what makes these devices shine.

They have, Maemo looks pretty nice. It's also running Linux but is much closer to Linux than Android is. Android is based on Linux, but a lot of it was rewritten...especially the Java VM to run much faster on a phone.

That's also a plus of Android...much easier to develop for something running Java than Maemo which uses C or other languages(or iPhone OS for that matter which uses its own version of C...who knows why...) but at the same time, porting programs already written for Linux to Maemo is apparently pretty easy to do.

I don't see Maemo really taking off unless Nokia gets a cheaper Maemo phone into carrier's hands.


Personally, I'd like an Android fan to explain which is better... the Moto Droid, or the HTC Hero, both of which it looks like will be on Verizon.

The Droid has a better cpu, so it will win easily in terms of speed and graphics power. Hero ROMs will be ported to the Droid I'm sure if you're interested in HTC SenseUI.


Who needs Android! I want the N900!!!!! :dft011:wicked_smile

Besides the obvious difference of hardware, the biggest difference between the Desire (VZW version of the Hero) and the Droid will be the UI. The HTC devices come equipped with the Sense UI. Reviews of the Sense UI on the Sprint Hero have been mixed. Boy Genius Report was extremely unhappy as the device appeared too laggy for typical use. My Blackberry Storm is laggy; I can truly appreciate the lack of lag. Here's a link to the BG's review:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/07/sprint-htc-hero-thoughts/


The Hero also uses the Qualcomm MSM7600. Not sure how this chip compares with the Cortex A8. But its clock speed is at 528 mHz.

The MSM7600 is an ARM11 chip which is much slower than the A8.

The BGR review of the Sprint Hero is actually an odd one out. Pretty much all the other reviews I have read say the Hero is not laggy. Especially when talking to many Pre users that switched to Heros that all say their Pre lagged in comparison to the Hero.

Still, the Droid is better in terms of specs and if someone wants SenseUI they can use a Hero or Magic Sense ROM when they're released.


Running the base Android OS should allow for quicker OS updates to be pushed to customers as VZW will not have to do any customization ..... The slowness or lack of updates in the past has been a common complain of VZW smartphone customers....

~S

Well, that's true...but if you're running a homebrew ROM which you'll probably end up doing anyways...you don't worry about OTA updates from your carrier. Devs have their own apps to give you updates or you just download the ROM through the browser yourself(or use a computer).

I hear many people beotching about AT&T's service and charges and wishing that the iphone was on VZW, but as a past VZW customer, they seem to nickle and dime their customers more than AT&T.... I could see VZW charging an additional fee for downloading apps.... :dft011:wicked_smile

So far, in the NYC area AT&T's service has been spot on......but I can see where the service issues would be an issue. Won't that be solved when all carriers switch over to the LTE (4G) networks?

~S

I just had a dropped call a few minutes ago on AT&T...:dft007:angry

[Eragon]

Looks like Droid will be a brand name for VZW Android roll-out.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/10/23/verizons-droid-is-a-series-not-just-a-phone-droid-eris-coming/

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Actually, the new Android phones are intriguing. I'd like to test one for a while, but with all the new and improved models coming out, I'd have a hard choice.

[Deathwish238]

Looks like Droid will be a brand name for VZW Android roll-out.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/10/23/verizons-droid-is-a-series-not-just-a-phone-droid-eris-coming/

Cool! So we're getting not only the Droid on the 6th but the Droid Eris...interesting that HTC was able to keep that under wraps for so long!

Actually, the new Android phones are intriguing. I'd like to test one for a while, but with all the new and improved models coming out, I'd have a hard choice.

Yeah it will be a hard choice. I think the eventual idea is for each carrier to have a few Android phones to choose from. A lot of people would rather not have to switch carriers for a phone and it will hit different price points to appeal to a wider market.

Which phone you get will probably be decided by how much you're willing to spend and if you want a physical keyboard or not more than anything else.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Eris? The goddess of strife?

[Deathwish238]

lol yes...interesting choice of name.

[kdarling]

Well, well. The plot thickens.

FCC passes ATT compatible Moto Droid (http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/23/att-ready-motorola-droid-sholes-hits-the-fcc-for-real-this-time/)

Interesting that every other company (Moto, Pre, HTC, RIM, Samsung) easily makes and sells both CDMA and GSM versions, while Apple fiddles around.

Nothing like giving your competition plenty of free time and space to get going.

[Londonrockz568]

Well, well. The plot thickens.

FCC passes ATT compatible Moto Droid (http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/23/att-ready-motorola-droid-sholes-hits-the-fcc-for-real-this-time/)

Interesting that every other company (Moto, Pre, HTC, RIM, Samsung) easily makes and sells both CDMA and GSM versions, while Apple fiddles around.

Nothing like giving your competition plenty of free time and space to get going.

Apple is not fiddling around. Whats the point of making a CDMA technology when there is so little profit to be made.

Not to mention CDMA is being outphased. The rest of the world uses GSM and like 10% CDMA. The US is the largest user of CDMA.

[Deathwish238]

Sprint and Verizon have way over 100 million users combined. Given that there's only about 300 million people in the USA, that's quite a large chunk. The iPhone is hugely popular in the USA moreso than in the rest of the world, why wouldn't you try to get some of that market as well?

I wish the whole world was GSM...but CDMA does still exist, largely in the USA.

[Eragon]

Not to mention CDMA is being outphased. The rest of the world uses GSM and like 10% CDMA. The US is the largest user of CDMA.

Here's a recent article giving an idea of how widespread CDMA is around the world. At 500 million subscribers, CDMA has a fairly large user base.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS110490+14-Sep-2009+GNW20090914

CDMA is not being outphased for many years to come as discussed in the following link. Realizing that they've reached the performance ceiling under EV-DO, carriers such as Verizon are embracing the GSM standard (LTE) as a means of ensuring speeds needed into the future. To eliminate CDMA outright would be prohibitively expensive. Carriers such as VZW have elected to overlay the new LTE technology over the existing CDMA. This ensures seamless cellular handover as a user goes in and out of LTE coverage.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/08/verizon-wireless-to-accelerate-lte-keep-cdma-and-lower-data-prices/

[diverdown]

Here's a recent article giving an idea of how widespread CDMA is around the world. At 500 million subscribers, CDMA has a fairly large user base.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS110490+14-Sep-2009+GNW20090914

CDMA is not being outphased for many years to come as discussed in the following link. Realizing that they've reached the performance ceiling under EV-DO, carriers such as Verizon are embracing the GSM standard (LTE) as a means of ensuring speeds needed into the future. To eliminate CDMA outright would be prohibitively expensive. Carriers such as VZW have elected to overlay the new LTE technology over the existing CDMA. This ensures seamless cellular handover as a user goes in and out of LTE coverage.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/08/verizon-wireless-to-accelerate-lte-keep-cdma-and-lower-data-prices/

That being said, at some point when the LTE networks are pervasive, the older CDMA and GSM should eventually be phased out....

~S

[rarity]

Idk much abt the phone, but I know their ads take a stab at Apple. I'll never switch from my iPhone. Love it!

[Watcher]

I would have to try out this phone if it came to AT&T. If not just in the store. But hey, what's the deal with many phones like the Omnia coming to AT&T for a short while then disappearing? The Omnia was alright, especially for $49. My buddy got one and I was about to get one for my mother but they no longer offer it.

[Eragon]

what's the deal with many phones like the Omnia coming to AT&T for a short while then disappearing?

That's an excellent question. Currently, AT&T's lineup includes only the feature phones from Samsung (Eternity, Impression, etc.) A quick Google on this device shows that it was hotly anticipated in the late Fall of 2008. It's possible that Apple, being AT&T's hottest selling vendor, pressured AT&T to pass on the version of the device that was getting billed as an iPhone killer.

[Watcher]

That's an excellent question. Currently, AT&T's lineup includes only the feature phones from Samsung (Eternity, Impression, etc.) A quick Google on this device shows that it was hotly anticipated in the late Fall of 2008. It's possible that Apple, being AT&T's hottest selling vendor, pressured AT&T to pass on the version of the device that was getting billed as an iPhone killer.
Very interesting...

[Eragon]

This device may make things more interesting:

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/25/htc-passion-to-continue-verizon-android-party/

[kdarling]

This device may make things more interesting:

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/25/htc-passion-to-continue-verizon-android-party/

Holy smokes. The Android version of the HTC HD2 ?! Now that is going to interest a lot of people.

I've also read that Verizon will be getting a lesser Android phone (smaller screen, etc) to sell as a low-end low-price device.

[Londonrockz568]

Someone mentioned the Samsung.

The Omnia II is a VERY good phone. A very very very good phone.

[Deathwish238]

This device may make things more interesting:

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/25/htc-passion-to-continue-verizon-android-party/

Looks like I know what phone I'm buying! Anyone want to buy a G1? :dft011:wicked_smile

Info about the SnapDragon CPU from Qualcomm's site:

1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® (http://www.qctconnect.com/products/gpsone.html) engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™ (http://www.mediaflo.com/), DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems





Someone mentioned the Samsung.

The Omnia II is a VERY good phone. A very very very good phone.

The only great thing about the Omnia II is its OLED display...it's still just a WinMo phone. However, the Samsung i7500 Galaxy (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i7500_galaxy-2791.php) also has an OLED display and runs Android.


Holy smokes. The Android version of the HTC HD2 ?! Now that is going to interest a lot of people.

I've also read that Verizon will be getting a lesser Android phone (smaller screen, etc) to sell as a low-end low-price device.

The Moto Calgary (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/20/motorola-calgary-live-photos-verizons-second-motorola-android-device/) will be a lower end(similar to the Hero) Android model also launching in Nov.

[Eragon]

The attached link contains instructions for getting live updates via irc. Just set up my Rooms app on my 3Gs.

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/28/motorola-droid-coverage-all-day/

[Deathwish238]

Google Maps Navigation looks so nice. Street View/Satellite View with directions overlayed on top! Goodbye TomTom and Garmin.

It will be exclusive to Android 2.0, for a while.

[aggieman]

Google Maps Navigation looks so nice. Street View/Satellite View with directions overlayed on top! Goodbye TomTom and Garmin.

It will be exclusive to Android 2.0, for a while.

it looks awesome. I've read that Google aims to get it on the iPhone as well. If Apple does the same with this as they do Google Voice I might just be done with the iPhone. At first glance this kills any other nav app out there for the iPhone.

[Deathwish238]

I hope Google plays hardball with Apple. Android is getting big enough and Apple is just asking for it(the Google Voice fiasco was complete bull).

It'ld be quite a blow for iPhone users if you lost all 1st party Google support. But I don't think Google is that mean. For now, they just want your ad revenue lol

[psylichon]

Interesting note about the European version of the Droid (The "Milestone") on BGR... apparently it does multitouch whereas the American version does not. Think it has anything to do with Apple patents in the USA? Hmmm...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/11/02/motorola-milestone-now-official-multitouch-but-no-google-maps-navigator/

[Krunk83]

After watching some reviews of this phone I think that it has potential especially with Verizon's network. It seem really fast! I didn't like that it did not have multi-touch screen and the interface looked a little sloppy. Too many buttons to push to get where I need to go. The GPS looked nice.

I am happy with the iPhone though. I just wonder if someone will make the DROID robot sound for the iPhone in Cydia so I can use it. I love that voice!

[kdarling]

Interesting note about the European version of the Droid (The "Milestone") on BGR... apparently it does multitouch whereas the American version does not. Think it has anything to do with Apple patents in the USA? Hmmm...

Apple doesn't have any applicable patents on multitouch, so probably not.

Could be a parts price thing, with it left out to make the phone less expensive here. But perhaps it's just software.

I haven't found a lot of use for multitouch on a handheld anyway. Its main advantage is with onscreen keyboards or game controls, but if you have real buttons, no sweat.

As for zoom, there are ways to do that with just one finger. (Like drawing a circle around the part you want to zoom. Or double-clicking, as even Apple put in for ease. I think I actually pinch maybe only once a month.)

[Hawk]

Apple doesn't have any applicable patents on multitouch, so probably not.
And here I was under the impression that Apple DID own the rights to multi-touch... At least here in the states.
I was sure that was one of the reasons that the G1 did not have full multi-touch. Maybe I am mistaken.

[kdarling]

And here I was under the impression that Apple DID own the rights to multi-touch... At least here in the states.

A lot of people mistakenly got that impression from the first widespread (and technically abysmal) web articles about the Apple scrolling patent, before wiser heads pointed out their mistake.

Of course, headlines make bigger splashes than corrections do.

I don't even think they got the word "MultiTouch" trademarked. Last time I looked it up in the summer, the government had denied their application.

I was sure that was one of the reasons that the G1 did not have full multi-touch. Maybe I am mistaken.

Someone else has pointed out that it could simply be another agreement that Google made with Apple. That sounds more likely than my scenarios about cost. I foresee some hacks for that right away.

[Londonrockz568]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/11/droidviphone.jpg

[psylichon]

Appleinsider did a great review roundup of the Droid:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/05/review_roundup_motorola_droid_verizons_first_andro id_handset.html

[connie]

Just played with a Motorola Droid at Walmart (yes they are selling them today), it was awful. It felt like a cheap plastic toy. The keyboard is just awful. I can't imagine anyone buying one of these. My husband who's on Verizon wanted one until we actually got our hands on it and played around with it. I hated it. Best Buy had the HTC Droid but they would not sell it until tomorrow. That one seems to be better than the Motorola phone. So happy with my iPhone :).

[TRBO VNM]

a buddy of mine just got one. he said he likes it so far. I haven't had a chance to check it out. sometime next week. it might be the phone for a lot of people. my problem is verizon service is horrible where I live. so even if it was the best thing out there, I wouldn't be able to use it worth a damn.

[Deathwish238]

Cnet review (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-droid-verizon-wireless/4505-6452_7-33783559.html)

They gave it 4 stars...same as the 3GS.

Just played with a Motorola Droid at Walmart (yes they are selling them today), it was awful. It felt like a cheap plastic toy. The keyboard is just awful. I can't imagine anyone buying one of these. My husband who's on Verizon wanted one until we actually got our hands on it and played around with it. I hated it. Best Buy had the HTC Droid but they would not sell it until tomorrow. That one seems to be better than the Motorola phone. So happy with my iPhone :).

lol cheap plastic toy. :dft008:suprised

You hate it and can't imagine anyone buying it? Guess all the professionals saying it's pretty great and a good alternative to the iPhone have no idea what they're talking about. :dft012:wink

By HTC Droid, do you mean the Droid Eris? It's just a Hero...so no it's not better.



You realize there's an on screen keyboard too right? No one forces you to use the physical keyboard and the on screen is quite good.

I am dissapointed that the keyboard isn't better...it should have gotten nothing but good remarks. Though I think most would just get used to it and learn to type on it. I didn't know how to type well on my G1 at first, but now I type 90 wpm. Cnet said the Droid's keyboard is better than the G1's too...

Plus, the keyboard is one of the least important aspects of the phone imo. The software is more important...and Android 2.0 is excellent.

[psylichon]

Connie just gave her opinion (as all of us here do). YMMV

[rocketto98]

I like the droid :)
Hopefully Apple will give the next iPhone the same screen though!

[Deathwish238]

Connie just gave her opinion (as all of us here do). YMMV

Obviously she gave her opinion as she stated no facts.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Obviously she gave her opinion as she stated no facts.

Well, it's a good thing then that you're not here to push the Android...

If you don't want intelligent discourse here, I suggest you find another forum that will accept anything you say blindly.

[Deathwish238]

Well, it's a good thing then that you're not here to push the Android...

If you don't want intelligent discourse here, I suggest you find another forum that will accept anything you say blindly.

Please, 90% of my posts are ignored. I assume because none of you can actually reply to my arguments. Instead of replies, you tell me to leave.

Sad, just sad. I didnt expect a lot from an iphone forum, but this is just pathetic. I dont think I have ever had such a hard time getting any half decent response on the plethora of forums I'm on. Seriously, i have better arguments on gaming forums with kids.

It makes me sad to realize that you all, on this forum, have managed to lower my opinion of the average iphone user.

[psylichon]

Oh come on, stop being so dramatic. What exactly are you looking for from us? The Droid is great, but we like our iPhones and aren't going to switch right now. What more do you want?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Oh come on, stop being so dramatic. What exactly are you looking for from us? The Droid is great, but we like our iPhones and aren't going to switch right now. What more do you want?

I'm getting ready to use the "T" word here, Dave.

London, we need your spray can here.

[Deathwish238]

I've just about given up on this forum. It seems normal to people to gtfo if they don't agree with you. That's just plain wrong.

Oh come on, stop being so dramatic. What exactly are you looking for from us? The Droid is great, but we like our iPhones and aren't going to switch right now. What more do you want?

What am I looking for? How about replies to my posts? Is that really too much to expect?

Have I told anyone to get the Droid? No, I have not.


Call it dramatic, but this thread is a pretty sad representation of this forum and hence iPhone users. Even your older members have said so.


I'm getting ready to use the "T" word here, Dave.

London, we need your spray can here.

Read the damn thread. I am not a troll.

Just because I don't agree with everything people say does not make me a troll. How about you actually contribute to this thread?

[ZR_Yancy]

Deathmatch, why are you getting so worked up about a phone? Chill out. Take a deep breath. There are worse things in life not getting an adequate response to your inquiry.

[Deathwish238]

Deathmatch, why are you getting so worked up about a phone? Chill out. Take a deep breath. There are worse things in life not getting an adequate response to your inquiry.

Lol, dont worry I'm always pretty chill. But i can still be dissapointed...I'm not dissapointed by the lack of replies as much as i am about the representation of iphone users.

Also, its Deathwish...play too many shooters do we? :dft012:wink

[Eragon]

[QUOTE=Deathwish238;545675Call it dramatic, but this thread is a pretty sad representation of this forum and hence iPhone users. Even your older members have said so.
/QUOTE]

Actually, this thread is a pretty good representation of this forum. As iPhone users, we have learned that we don't have to settle for just any device. Styling, functionality, and overall satisfaction is what separates iPhone users/abusers from other platforms.

This thread, along with many others I've started at Everythingandroid.org leave the consumer with the information needed to make an informed decision. There is no magic bullet answer. There is only an endless supply of information.

In the end, going out to the store and trying out the device is the only way of making an informed decision in a situation like we have here. Is the Droid right for you? The Eris? No one here can answer that question. Each and every device, iPhone included, has its strengths and weaknesses. You need to evaluate your needs and go from there. Do you need a camera? Do you need a media player? Do you need a physical keyboard? Do you need exchange support? Will Flash support be important?

iPhone users on this forum ask these types of questions over and over again in different flavors. In the end, we have a menagerie of questions, with few answers. The strength of this forum is understanding the nature of these questions and collaboratively offering solutions.

Ask a question, and you will get a response. It may not be the response you were looking for, but that probably means that there is no single answer that will. You are more than welcome to stop posting in this forum. You are also more than welcome to continue, both here and at Everythingandroid.

[Deathwish238]

Actually, this thread is a pretty good representation of this forum. As iPhone users, we have learned that we don't have to settle for just any device. Styling, functionality, and overall satisfaction is what separates iPhone users/abusers from other platforms.

Well that's pretty bad then.

What should be happening is someone states an opinion or fact, someone responds with their opinions or facts and then there are replies addressing the points in the response. That is not happening here.

What is happening is iPhone user says something, I reply with some valid points...and then I get borderline flamed and usually no responses to the points I made.



Your not settling has nothing to do with the lack of replies to points I've been making.



This thread, along with many others I've started at Everythingandroid.org leave the consumer with the information needed to make an informed decision. There is no magic bullet answer. There is only an endless supply of information.

In the end, going out to the store and trying out the device is the only way of making an informed decision in a situation like we have here. Is the Droid right for you? The Eris? No one here can answer that question. Each and every device, iPhone included, has its strengths and weaknesses. You need to evaluate your needs and go from there. Do you need a camera? Do you need a media player? Do you need a physical keyboard? Do you need exchange support? Will Flash support be important?

iPhone users on this forum ask these types of questions over and over again in different flavors. In the end, we have a menagerie of questions, with few answers. The strength of this forum is understanding the nature of these questions and collaboratively offering solutions.

I'll agree with you...but this has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I know how technology works especially when comparing similar products.

Ask a question, and you will get a response. It may not be the response you were looking for, but that probably means that there is no single answer that will. You are more than welcome to stop posting in this forum. You are also more than welcome to continue, both here and at Everythingandroid.

Ask a question...and I get no response. That is my entire problem with this forum. I get GTFOs.



There have been a page of replies since I posted this...
Cnet review (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-droid-verizon-wireless/4505-6452_7-33783559.html)

They gave it 4 stars...same as the 3GS.



lol cheap plastic toy. :dft008:suprised

You hate it and can't imagine anyone buying it? Guess all the professionals saying it's pretty great and a good alternative to the iPhone have no idea what they're talking about. :dft012:wink

By HTC Droid, do you mean the Droid Eris? It's just a Hero...so no it's not better.



You realize there's an on screen keyboard too right? No one forces you to use the physical keyboard and the on screen is quite good.

I am dissapointed that the keyboard isn't better...it should have gotten nothing but good remarks. Though I think most would just get used to it and learn to type on it. I didn't know how to type well on my G1 at first, but now I type 90 wpm. Cnet said the Droid's keyboard is better than the G1's too...

Plus, the keyboard is one of the least important aspects of the phone imo. The software is more important...and Android 2.0 is excellent.

[Eragon]

What should be happening is someone states an opinion or fact, someone responds with their opinions or facts and then there are replies addressing the points in the response. That is not happening here.

Granted. Throwing fuel on the flame is not the path to salvation. You have asked your questions; you have gotten responses. What more about the Droid are you trying to find out that you aren't having luck? Are you trying to have established iPhone users give you their opinion as to which device (iPhone or Droid) to get? Why does that matter? The two platforms are as different as night and day. Sort of like asking a dog to comment on cat food.

Posters in this forum have given you their insights into the hardware capability; native applications; 3rd party applications; battery life; quality of voice/data usage.

What other questions do you still have? Before slamming this forum and the posters who contribute to it, what does EiC have that you can't find on Howardforums, Android Central, Crackberry.com, Phandroid, Boy Genius Report, Engadget, PhoneDog, etc? You might be surprised to find many of us contributing members there too.

[psylichon]

I applaud the restraint of my fellow forum members. These types of threads never go anywhere, and the marked dearth of them around here is, in my opinion, one of the things that makes this place so nice.

It's not that we don't appreciate differing opinions around here. We do. We know the iPhone is not perfect, and we know there are devices with much better specs out there. The main difference around here is... most of us don't care. Granted, there are some serious mobile hounds on this forum that will jump to a new device in a heartbeat. But the majority of us are just happy with our devices and their capabilities. We're not looking for evangelism nor are we serving any. It's just what we use and what we talk about.

New devices will come along and we will talk about them and learn about them, but if we don't throw our iPhones in the toilet immediately, please don't take it personally.

Deathwish, if you really feel ill-served in this discussion, give me a distinct list of questions you have and I promise I will answer every one of them to the best of my abilities.

[ZR_Yancy]

iPhone 3GS vs Droid dogfight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2KlGDEGPMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQwZDBWXv_4

[Londonrockz568]

Wow... i leave this thread as to not rile up anything and it seems to have done it on its own.

For starters, what more do you want from us? I couldn't convey it as Dave did, but seriously... the droid is a nice phone, it may have advantages/disadvantages to the iPhone but i (and most of us) are quite content with our iPhones and have no need to jump to the next newest tech device.

Some handled the droid, and gave their first impressions which is great....and i can vouch for EIC in saying no one "fanboy'd the iPhone/Apple".

What i did have a problem with is your answer to Connie's first impression in reference to: "You hate it and can't imagine anyone buying it? Guess all the professionals saying it's pretty great and a good alternative to the iPhone have no idea what they're talking about." You basically dismissed and insulted her for saying it felt cheap and plasticly, and cant imagine people buying it and that cnet gave the Droid the same rating as the iphone. Ok well I have news for you... just because blogs/reviews and other "professionals" say the device is A. B and C it DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING but their opinion and thoughts. What they say is not law or mandate... its there to help you buy a device that will fulfill your needs and wants and tell you key selling points and major downfalls.

Now... on the other thing you mentioned on how some of us didn't reply to some of your posts. We do have other things that occupy our attention and although we will try our best to reply, most of us are not going to read, quote and pick apart each and every post point by point, line by line that you make.

Insulting EIC on a whole... well thats a character issue you have. Sorry, we are not HowardForums, Engadget, GSM arena etc and we did not give you the answers or "bashing" that you expected. WE gave our opinions... you have to realize this, you came here to an iPhone forum, where most of us are content with our device and it satisfies our needs. There are maybe a handful of tech junkies on this forum who get the latest no matter what, but they still hang around and come back to the iphone.

The Tone and your replies come across like you almost want us to just toss our iPhones in the bin, and give praise and adoration for the Droid and saying that its better than the iPhone.

Ill say it again... MANY of us are content with our iPhone/iPhone 3G/iPhone 3Gs and have no need to leave it. Give it a rest... your posts are borderline trolling at best.

[diverdown]

So I got a hands on with the Droid....guy at work just upgraded to one. Nice phone, keyboard is pretty good. First impression.....Heavy phone.... I was surprised with the weight (The Droid weighs 169 grams to the iPhone's 3GS's 135).

I'll check it out more tomorrow.

~S

[KrakaJap]

Been playing around with one for a couple days now... impressed, yes... switching back to Verizon? No way in hell! LOL

It's rather annoying how a lot of Droid fans are making these claims that it can do tons more than the iPhone and blah blah blah then go on to describe how some things need patched or tweaked, multi-touch "will" eventually be available with a patch, etc. etc. and then ONLY compare all this to a stock iPhone. Sorry... but if you're going to do that then you absolutely must allow for the jailbreak features. :)

So far I have not seen a single thing the Droid does that the iPhone cannot do. ...aside from taking "night" pictures with an LED flash which is pointless. Night shots on any cellphone camera look like crap regardless and it's almost never about the MP as it is about the lighting and area conditions when taking any photos.

Regardless, most of these "debates" are strictly subjective anyway (if you can even call them debates). :P It's sad that you can't read reviews anymore without them ending up poorly researched or sparking nonproductive discussions.

I think the Droid is an excellent device for Verizon and definitely a step in the right direction, but that's not enough for me to switch back (having the 3GS already). Even if the service is better, my scale tips more on the side of functionality and performance rather than reception. I hate talking on the phone anyway which is why I have about 1200 minutes rolled over right now. LOL (that and the use of Skype (3GUnrestricted)). :P The costs are almost identical so if you're already on Verizon and in the middle of a contract... pick up the Droid and then make your decision to switch when your contract is up. If you're just tired of waiting around (like I was) then jump ship. You're never going to get a good idea of what to do until you go out there and test a device for yourself. ALL Verizon stores have "live demos" of every device so don't let them tell you otherwise. It's in their contract (even for the smaller stores). A lot of the smaller stores will try to tell you they don't either because they're saving the last one for a friend, don't want to do the paperwork to pull one from the retail shelf, or the model is no longer in production and they don't want to lose a potential sale of that device. If they're out of stock, though, then they might be telling you the truth. haha

[iStealth]

So I got a hands on with the Droid....guy at work just upgraded to one. Nice phone, keyboard is pretty good. First impression.....Heavy phone.... I was surprised with the weight (The Droid weighs 169 grams to the iPhone's 3GS's 135).

I'll check it out more tomorrow.

~S
Held one at Best Buy yesterday, it was suprisingly clunky! Not for me.

[KrakaJap]

Agreed... I'm definitely not a fan of "flip" or "slide out" phones.

Love the profile image BTW! Last week's game pissed me off but oh well. :)

[Eragon]

Just upgraded by Blackberry Storm to a Droid Eris. Biggest selling point, aside from the price point, is the Sense UI. Got to have my multi-touch in the browser.