Urgent 4 jailbreakers

[db7472]

I successfully jailbroke my iPhone yesterday using a family member's imac. At that time, I lost service just like I (pretty much) did a little over a week ago when the phone was already jailbroken with OS 3.0.1 (it happened automatically the 1st time). Back then, I had to update to OS 3.1 to restore service, and I lost the jailbreak. Yesterday, I had to restore to factory settings to get Edge, 3G, other networks, & GPS back, and then restore again from back-up. So now it's not jailbroken.

You probably know that apple very recently began advising consumers about an "sms virus" attacking iPhones which lose service as a result. This is a lie.

OS 3.0.1 contained spyware which apple used to find jailbroken iPhones.
They perfected their craft with 3.1 which immediately and completely killed the signal while 3.0.1 (roughly 1 week after installation) made the signal extremely weak. From now until the end of my contract in August 2010, my iPhone 3G would be an iPod Touch if jailbroken, and would only be an iPhone without jailbreak so it's no longer worth it.

I'll be looking into Verizon very soon. iPhone is far too limited with no jailbreak. AT&T has the muscle to stand up to Steve Jobs and get more for their customers but they won't. I have lost the patience required to try and get this thing working with t-mobile (unlock).

Do you know anyone willing to settle for a 16 GB iPhone 3G as-is? I'm selling it for $150 and throwing in a car-charger, usb cable w/wall-outlet attachment, sim card, and sim card tool. I don't want to deal with this anymore. I was looking to buy an imac at some point in the future and now that won't happen, either. Linux is the word.

Do a search on 'sms virus' if you haven't heard about it. Their story falls apart when you read about their claims regarding the "virus" and what it can do.

I have no doubt that apple will find a way to make a jailbroken iPhone or iPod Touch completely inoperable with a future "software update". At that point, they'll either tell the customer that their warranty is void & that nothing can be done or they will require a fee to restore GSM service and/or functionality. This will most likely happen prior to August 2010, and that's why I'm selling. As long as the buyer has interest in free applications from itunes store or they're willing to pay for their applications, it's all good.

Peace, & good luck w/your apple devices. I'm through with them all.

db7472

http://www.everythingicafe.com/news/apple/class-action-suit-filed-against-apple-over-iphone-3g-problems-20080821897

[Europa]

That's quite an imagination you have there. The SMS vulnerability on 3.0 is real. Apple never said it was a virus, nor did they say the phone would lose service. The 3.0.1 update did one thing, it patched this vulnerability.

Charlie Miller, one of the first people to ever hack the iPhone and winner of Pwn2own 2009 and various other hacking competitions, presented his discovery of the iPhone remote exploit hack at the Black Hat cyber security conference in Las Vegas in late July this year. It was also presented at Defcon and I was there to see it. Apple released the security update the following day. The hack comes in the form of a text message and modifies sent network data. If the phone is turned on, the hacker can take control of the device and use it to make phone calls, activate the camera, use the internet, and use the contact list to take control of more iPhones.

[KabaModern]

As Europa said, it was a hacker that identified the vulnerability, not Apple. Where do you get your information from??

[ZR_Yancy]

Is this a scare tactic?

[Europa]

Anyway, you don't need to concoct a conspiracy theory about Apple sneaking spyware into the 3.0.1 update to convince people that Apple is trying to put an end to the jailbreaking and unlocking process. The fact that Apple is doing all that they can to stop jailbreaking is common knowledge. They have added a new layers of security in the 3GS models that make them more difficult to jailbreak and prohibit downgrading the FW. The Dev Team and Saurik have found ways to circumvent Apple's road blocks and the 3.1 3GS JB should be released soon, but there is a chance that those that updated to 3.1 may have lost their unlock forever.

[RossMc]

Wouldnt it be against the law for Apple to " Put spyware into updates which they used to find jailbroken iPhones."

But what I have heard is that Apple are going to put something in the next iPhone that when you press a certain button it plays a sound which tells your brain to go out and buy a Mac Pro :029:eyeswideopen

[iden32]

i am in the boat of if i am jailbroken i loose all signal... it really is lame i hope we come up with a fix to this cause my stinkin sister updated my phone to stock 3.1!! i am waiting to see if fuzzyband can get loaded on 5.09 bootloader... i really miss my stupid jailbreak!!!

[KabaModern]

i am in the boat of if i am jailbroken i loose all signal... it really is lame i hope we come up with a fix to this cause my stinkin sister updated my phone to stock 3.1!! i am waiting to see if fuzzyband can get loaded on 5.09 bootloader... i really miss my stupid jailbreak!!!

Wait. You lose signal when you jailbreak? But you miss the jailbreak? And you're not happy that you have a stock iPhone with signal? Wow.

[db7472]

It's FAR too easy to drop a MOST SERIOUS dime if you want to buy applications from itunes store, and the vast majority of the free applications are just pathetic, incomplete versions of applications that cost money.

You read my post, so you know I have iPhone 3G which has no video camera on it unless it is jailbroken. No jailbreak means no flash for safari, no background that you can see for more than 2 seconds at a time, no mms, & only one e-mail attachment at a time where the attachment must be a picture stored only in camera roll or photo library. All that is just for starters; I can go on and on.

So yes, I'm not happy with a stock iPhone 3G that loses signal when jailbroken. I don't see where your 'Wow' comes from unless you have money to burn.

[diverdown]

It's FAR too easy to drop a MOST SERIOUS dime if you want to buy applications from itunes store, and the vast majority of the free applications are just pathetic, incomplete versions of applications that cost money.

You read my post, so you know I have iPhone 3G which has no video camera on it unless it is jailbroken. No jailbreak means no flash for safari, no background that you can see for more than 2 seconds at a time, no mms, & only one e-mail attachment at a time where the attachment must be a picture stored only in camera roll or photo library. All that is just for starters; I can go on and on.

So yes, I'm not happy with a stock iPhone 3G that loses signal when jailbroken. I don't see where your 'Wow' comes from unless you have money to burn.


If you have followed the evolution of the iphone since its inception, you would know that Apple has consistently released updates that disables the jailbreak....then the Dev-Team works to release a new jailbreak. MMS is really not an issue anymore as its not an Apple limitation .... we are just waiting on AT&T (4 more days). While backgrounds would be nice its only a cosmetic change and does not effect the function of the phone. Not to sure about your one attachment at a time as I was able to send several pictures in one email...

It seems that you are not happy with the stock iphone......perhaps another device would suit your needs in its stock form.

Also many of the Free apps are actually very good. I also like the "Lite" versions of an app/game....gives me the opportunity to try it out and decide if I want to pay for the full version.

I have jailbroken my 3G several times and while I have experienced some lag, I have never lost signal. Perhaps you should try to restore as new then re-jailbreak.

~S

[db7472]

You sound like someone that works for apple. This is the same company that offered no applications to iPhone 2G users for the 1st (or only) year of their contract w/at&t - assuming it was purchased upon its initial release in 2007. Even if they were willing to throw all their money away on itunes store applications, they couldn't do it during that period. I unfortunately was aware of neither this fact nor the extent of the limitations inherent in Phone 3G when I got mine last year otherwise I would have kept shopping.

We can split hairs all day about whether apple's action towards me & other jailbreakers is a virus or a hack or some other term from a computer lit. textbook's glossary. I know what happened because I saw it happen (no amount of imagination was required). Furthermore, you can't expect me to put anything past a company like this - that includes lying to consumers.

Apple hasn't been affected by the "recession" the way that the vast majority of companies (big & small) have. There's no need for this hoarding of iPhone's & iPod Touch's true capacity to provide it for their developers alone in order to keep their customers hooked on itunes store. They have more than enough revenue from it already, and it continues to grow via the 3Gs. It is (& will always be) only a small fraction of consumers that try to jailbreak or unlock their phones. There are far too many iPhone owners out there on the whole (who know nothing of all this) for it to be a real problem. I see people carrying this monstrosity around everywhere I go.

[diverdown]

Nope not an employee of Apple, just a consumer who did their research prior to buying the device. I purchased the original V1 iphone w/o apps and knew all about the limitations. My main reason was to carry one device and it did that for me. I upgraded to the 3G because I wanted GPS.

It seems funny to me that people say that Apple has made enough money from the iphone therefore they should do this or that.....Last time I checked they were a Company that manufactured products in order to make a profit.

I really don't see where they are lying to customers. There is plenty of documentation to read that tells what the limitations of the device are. Many of the limitations (such as no MMS and Tethering) are now limitations of AT&T and not the device. I have seen Apple improve the hardware with each version and based upon the software releases they appear to be listening to their consumer base.

I am sorry that you are experiencing this loss of signal. If you hate the stock device so much, perhaps you should sell it on Ebay. They hold their value very well and you should be able to recoup almost if not more than you paid for it.

Also many other companies issue firmware releases to stop people from hacking their devices....Sony did it with the PSP to stop Homebrew applications from running on their device...

[Trance56k]

He posted the same thing at the iPhone blog forums.
Here is the link http://forum.theiphoneblog.com/iphone-jailbreak-unlock/178397-urgent-all-jailbreakers.html

[Hawk]

some people are only happy when they are complaining.

[db7472]

Fair enough. diverdown. Thanks for keeping it civil. Like the guy (who shows off his girlfriend in his pic) said, I also posted the same thing elsewhere. One response I received was a juvenile attempt at sounding refined; it was an attack against me as well.

[db7472]

& some people have the wrong username. Shouldn't you be named after an eagle, instead?

I take it you've never complained about anything, then. I've got some swampland to sell to anyone who believes that.

some people are only happy when they are complaining.

[Trance56k]

You are all talk and no proof about apples so called spyware. Sell your iPhone on eBay and move on.

[db7472]

apple has no real proof to back up what they're saying.
My proof is that the phone won't work as such when jailbroken.
not much of a market for 3g with 3gs out there but we'll see
You are all talk and no proof about apples so called spyware. Sell your iPhone on eBay and move on.

[Europa]

lol, you're pretty judgmental there with the user names and avatars. Hawk's real name is Hawk. So, no, he shouldn't be named after an Eagle, and doesn't have the "wrong" user name whatever that means. I don't think anyone is "showing off" their GF. Can we please stick to the topics at hand.

For most people the phone works just fine when jailbroken, aside from a little lag on the V1 and 3G. I have a 3G that's jailbroken and unlocked on T-Mobile and I almost always have full signal strength.

I think you've forgotten that there is a large team of hackers waiting to tear apart and hack the firmware the moment it's released. Again, it's your terminology that's wrong. Claiming there is spyware in it is ridiculous. The Dev Team lets us know exactly what obstacles we are up against (for the JB and unlock) shortly after the FW releases.

[Hawk]

& some people have the wrong username. Shouldn't you be named after an eagle, instead?

I take it you've never complained about anything, then. I've got some swampland to sell to anyone who believes that.

Sure I have complained about thing i've experienced with MY iPhone. But I've never come up with some conspiracy theory about how my problems are really just Apple sticking it to me and others that might be experiencing similar problems.

If you jailbreak and your signal weakens, then maybe you shouldn't jailbreak. My phone is stock, and with 2 minor exceptions (mail, iPod and safari continuing to run in the background after exiting the app, which affects battery life) my phone runs fine.
I'm not attacking you on the matter, just trying to help you see how outlandish your theory that Apple is doing this to you and all jailbreakers. Don't believe me? Take a poll of people who are jailbroken and see how many have a weaker signal since the jailbreak. You will find that you are very much in the minority. Could just be your hardware. Could be your firmware. Could be a couple different things, but not Apple trying to secretly sabotage owners of jailbroken phones.

And as far as the SMS virus, there never was one. Just a security flaw some hackers found and showed that they could exploit- and the reported it directly to Apple.


Btw Hawk is not just a username, it's my Real name. Hawk Pettengill.

[iNinja]

Conspiracy theories have never been so unbelievable as this one.... im upset ive lost 5 minutes of my life reading this thread. lol

[cliffeman]

No jailbreak means no flash for safari

There's flash for safari?! :022:really :036:inthedark

If you're referring to imobilecinema, that's not flash. If it were then any site that requires flash would work.

[iNinja]

DB7472 - if you are going to send me PM's regarding this ridiculous thread please stick to topic and not spout on about my username.

Secondly, if you actually do some research on the matter, all the facts in your PM are incorrect, and there are many factors which could lead to loss of signal after a jailbreak / software update and most of them dont involve Apple putting spyware in the firmware.

How many of the Devteam and other experienced hackers rip apart firmwares daily?? Do you not think they would have advised about this spyware? Also, Apple would be torn to shreds in the media by inserting spyware secretly into its firmware. In the current financial climate especially, im sure they dont need further stock losses.

Please grow up and do some research on the topic before sending stupid PM's to people.

[db7472]

Hey ninja,

You insulted me so I have every right to defend myself, and that's what I did. You go ahead and look up/research 'self-defense', 'debate' and 'argument'. Read whatever you find objectively without all the needless, subjective contempt towards me that you're filled with now, and you'll see I had the right.

At least I considered other users of this site (who don't need to see the spat between us which you started) and defended myself via pm. Let's see if you have any consideration (& also if you're not a like a child who has to always have the last word) for people other than yourself which would mean this will be the last public post (off-topic) between us. It would also mean that you'd confine your vitriol to private messages, & post a public response only to the following :

Obviously, whatever stock losses apple has suffered hasn't slowed them down any. Based on their profits, Based on their earnings, they are one of the very few companies that hasn't been seriously hurt by the recession. There aren't enough people unlocking (or just jailbreaking) their phones to cause enough of a drop in revenue for apple, or for that matter at&t (where unlocking is concerned) to justify the actions being taken against those who jb or unlock.


DB7472 - if you are going to send me PM's regarding this ridiculous thread please stick to topic and not spout on about my username.

Secondly, if you actually do some research on the matter, all the facts in your PM are incorrect, and there are many factors which could lead to loss of signal after a jailbreak / software update and most of them dont involve Apple putting spyware in the firmware.

How many of the Devteam and other experienced hackers rip apart firmwares daily?? Do you not think they would have advised about this spyware? Also, Apple would be torn to shreds in the media by inserting spyware secretly into its firmware. In the current financial climate especially, im sure they dont need further stock losses.

Please grow up and do some research on the topic before sending stupid PM's to people.

[Europa]

I doubt iNinja wants to argue back and forth with you via PM. You came to a public iPhone forum with ridiculous claims, of course we are going to disagree.

I have to wonder if you are even a legitimate seller. It's seems like your real intention was to argue. Your advertisement is one of the worst I've ever seen. Never have I seen someone put a product up for sale and then repeated bash it in the same post. If you really wanted to sell it, why didn't you just put it up for sale on eBay or Craigslist? If you wanted to sell it here, you would have increased you chances of sale by posting pictures and saying something similar to this;
For Sale: iPhone 3G, 16 GB, 13 months old, black, all accessories included, excellent condition, no scratches, stock, and X asking price.

Instead, you gave very little useful information to a prospective buyer, and basically said you are so disappointed with the product that you are not only getting out of the contract early and switching carriers, but that the phone is full of secretly inserted spyware that has been perfected and time activated by the manufacturer to kill the signal, and that you are so also going to avoid all things Apple in the future and just use Linux.

Another reason I think your post is BS is that you're only asking $150, a functional 3G is worth a lost more than that. You should be able to get at least $350 on eBay. If you didn't want to go through the hassle of starting an eBay bid and posting pictures ect, you could sell it for $230 on cashforiphones. If you had done any research at all, you would know these things as well as what spyware really is and that the iPhone OS has no known spyware, malware, or viruses.

[db7472]

I'm not very keen on eBay after hearing about so many different problems people have had buying and selling on that site AND having one issue of my own earlier this year. I looked at the asking prices for iPhone 3G before reading your post and I've seen them listed for the price you mentioned and even higher. These prices are so over-inflated that I have to wonder if they'll ever really sell for that much. I tried to come up with something more resonable. I didn't know that one possible error in judgement on an asking price made for an illegitimate seller. It's a tough room, I guess.

Keep in mind the reason I wrote (in my post) what you used the word "bash" to define. I don't like the fact that the phone becomes an iPod when jailbroken. This is something new. I have become accustomed to the jailbroken iPhone with Edge & 3G reception. Not everyone has the same view/requirements; not everyone who wants an iPhone will care about whether it can be jailbroken or not. What I said was more against apple than anything or anyone else. They have a good product in the iPhone; it's the limitations they place on it that are a problem for me.

What I wrote was a post, not an advertisement. My advertisement would have included all the information a prospective buyer would need. I hadn't seen the proper forum for ads here until after I posted. I guess newcomers aren't allowed to make posting errors & ever live it down, either.

You're right. Ninja doesn't want to argue via pm, at least not thus far. He seems to want to do that in the public forum despite my effort to keep it private. I never sent him even one message (public or private) prior to his 1st post where I was insulted.

Some of the users (not you, Europa, but others) here feel the need to try & make others feel very small. Then they get bent out of shape (from not being successful in their attempt) and let the insults fly when the person on the receiving end actually stick up for themself and doesn't walk away with their tail between their legs. And I'm the one that needs to grow up?

I doubt iNinja wants to argue back and forth with you via PM. You came to a public iPhone forum with ridiculous claims, of course we are going to disagree.

I have to wonder if you are even a legitimate seller. It's seems like your real intention was to argue. Your advertisement is one of the worst I've ever seen. Never have I seen someone put a product up for sale and then repeated bash it in the same post. If you really wanted to sell it, why didn't you just put it up for sale on eBay or Craigslist? If you wanted to sell it here, you would have increased you chances of sale by posting pictures and saying something similar to this;
For Sale: iPhone 3G, 16 GB, 13 months old, black, all accessories included, excellent condition, no scratches, stock, and X asking price.

Instead, you gave very little useful information to a prospective buyer, and basically said you are so disappointed with the product that you are not only getting out of the contract early and switching carriers, but that the phone is full of secretly inserted spyware that has been perfected and time activated by the manufacturer to kill the signal, and that you are so also going to avoid all things Apple in the future and just use Linux.

Another reason I think your post is BS is that you're only asking $150, a functional 3G is worth a lost more than that. You should be able to get at least $350 on eBay. If you didn't want to go through the hassle of starting an eBay bid and posting pictures ect, you could sell it for $230 on cashforiphones. If you had done any research at all, you would know these things as well as what spyware really is and that the iPhone OS has no known spyware, malware, or viruses.

[Europa]

Hey, we are generally really nice, helpful and patient with newcomers. But then again, most of them don't come in here spouting BS with guns blazing ;)

Your post was an advertisement. You stated you were selling the phone, therefore, it's an advertisement.

Cutting the price that low is the worst marketing plan ever. They do sell for for 350+ on eBay. If you put something up for far less than the going rate, people are going to assume something is wrong with it or it's a scam.

The iPhone does not become an iPod when jailbroken and unlocked. You just didn't do it right. I have one on T-Mobile and have 5 bars right now, as usual.

[iNinja]

The reason I haven't replied to you via pm is because I didn't personally insult you, I just said Reading your "theory" was a waste if my time, and you have been given MANY reasons why what you have said isn't true.

If you actually stick around here a while you will see I'm not the type of person that abuses other members, however, when someone comes and posts something that is obvious BS then I will give my reasons why I think so, and I will do it publically, there is no need to take it to pm.

Just for info aswel - when signing up to a forum, you can't expect to make many friends by insulting people in PM's when they don't agree with your "theories". I have been wrong here on many occasion, but I have never sent PM's that ridicule members username and what not.

I agree with Europa, jailbreaking the phone DOESNT make it an iPod. At least 2 of my family use iPhone 3g's that I have unlocked And jailbroken for them and they work fine. As I tried to explain in a previous post, there are LOTS of reasons why your signal may have reduced, and 99% of those reasons don't include apple conspiracies. I think you may have done something wrong.

Finally, the reason I haven't replied sooner is that I live in the UK and was asleep for obvious reasons.

[diverdown]

@Db7472,

Couple of things to think about. First, remember that jailbreaking your phone means that you are hacking your phone with a modified ispw that quickpawn creates.....It is possible that quickpawn did not create the ispw correctly, which could cause your signal problems. Also, many forum members recommend that when jailbreaking you setup your phone as a new phone and not restore from a backup.....As you can see there are a multitude of reasons as to why your signal may be lacking that nothing to do with Apple.

I don't think that the backlash is beacuse we are all Apple fanboys as much as its the disbelief that Apple could have snuck in spyware without the Dev community outing them already.....The bad press from that would most certainly deter Apple from going down that road.


Secondly, on the topic of resale......you would be amazed at what these phones resell for. I bought my 3G in February and then sold my V1 on Ebay......for 300.00!! I could not believe it. Then I remembered that for people in contract the iphone costs much more than that to buy outright. I know people who have funded their purchase of their 3Gs by selling their 3G.

I don't post much, but have been a member for a long time....this is a great forum and contains a wealth of information and the members are willing to help with problems that other members may have.....Perhaps a different approach would have garnered you the outcome you were looking for....

A post titled "Help...JB killed my signal...any others experienceing this problem" may have kept this thread on target instead of most likely making it a target for the moderators.....

Just my 0.02
~S

[iNinja]

@Db7472,

Couple of things to think about. First, remember that jailbreaking your phone means that you are hacking your phone with a modified ispw that quickpawn creates.....It is possible that quickpawn did not create the ispw correctly, which could cause your signal problems. Also, many forum members recommend that when jailbreaking you setup your phone as a new phone and not restore from a backup.....As you can see there are a multitude of reasons as to why your signal may be lacking that nothing to do with Apple.

I don't think that the backlash is beacuse we are all Apple fanboys as much as its the disbelief that Apple could have snuck in spyware without the Dev community outing them already.....The bad press from that would most certainly deter Apple from going down that road.


Secondly, on the topic of resale......you would be amazed at what these phones resell for. I bought my 3G in February and then sold my V1 on Ebay......for 300.00!! I could not believe it. Then I remembered that for people in contract the iphone costs much more than that to buy outright. I know people who have funded their purchase of their 3Gs by selling their 3G.

I don't post much, but have been a member for a long time....this is a great forum and contains a wealth of information and the members are willing to help with problems that other members may have.....Perhaps a different approach would have garnered you the outcome you were looking for....

A post titled "Help...JB killed my signal...any others experienceing this problem" may have kept this thread on target instead of most likely making it a target for the moderators.....

Just my 0.02
~S

Thanks, they were my points exactly, but you have put them accross far better than I did.. maybe i was in a ratty mood! lol :dft009:happy