Just heard a little rumor...

[Hawk]

Just heard a rumor from out "Cellular Communications" IT guru that Verizon is going 3G (not evdo) in about 6 months, and should have the iPhone at about the same time.
While I know it's only hearsay, I also know that there has to be some validity to that statement because he is working with Verizon directly to improve the cell signal coverage within the building. ( our whole building is practically a dead-zone unless you are near a window.)

Just wanted to let people know.

[connie]

This is what I've waited for since June 2007. Verizon works much better in my area and ALL my family and most of my friends are with Verizon. So I use a lot of minutes, txt, etc. on non-AT&T people. I hope it is true because I will pay the ETF and say goodbye to AT&T in a blink of an eye. Thanks for posting that. I have hope.

[iphun]

This might have to do with them switching to LTE(4G) which is GSM not EVDO. They might want to make their new phones GSM only instead of having both GSM and EVDO chips it would just have a GSM (3G and 4G) one. That way when they switch to LTE they would be heading down the path to be GSM only (except for everyone running EVDO).

[mr.reggaeton72]

i hope they do, cause AT&T and me, is like a positive magnet & a negative magnet

[acosmichippo]

How can they just switch with all of the EVDO customers they still have?

[iphun]

How can they just switch with all of the EVDO customers they still have?

They wouldn't just forget about them, they would just not provide as much maintenance to that network and wouldn't put any more money into expanding or improving it. When at&t was getting off an older network of theirs and people still had phones from then they started charging extra for the people using that older network. IF verizon is going to do this they would probably start charging people extra in 10 years that were still using EVDO since that is ample time to get a new GSM phone.

Even if they didn't switch to 3G GSM and down the road when 5G comes out, EVDO will be slow and hard to maintain and they will charge people because they won't want to maintain EVDO anymore.

[Hawk]

i hope they do, cause AT&T and me, is like a positive magnet & a negative magnet
don't you mean to similarly poled magnets? a positive field attracts a negative field and visa versa. but positive to positive or negative to negative will repel each other.

[Hawk]

I'll try and keep everyone posted as I learn more.

[Europa]

Everything that I have heard up to this point, is that Apple is predicted to keep an exclusive contract with AT&T next year.

I have recently heard that T-Mobile is placing a bid on Sprint and if it goes through, they will merge, which I'm assuming would have to coincide with a switch to LTE.

[mr.reggaeton72]

don't you mean to similarly poled magnets? a positive field attracts a negative field and visa versa. but positive to positive or negative to negative will repel each other.


yea yea yea, damn my bad, no wonder i got a D in chemistry:dft008:suprised

[iNinja]

yea yea yea, damn my bad, no wonder i got a D in chemistry:dft008:suprised

I hope that was a joke. You know you dont study magnets in chemistry right?? You really meant physics didnt ya?! :dft002:amazed

[iphonewarrior]

yea yea yea, damn my bad, no wonder i got a D in chemistry:dft008:suprised

Your a funny man. Magnets/Chemistry lol. :dft010:smiling

[acosmichippo]

Actually, magnetic fields do turn up in certain topics of chemistry.

[itsnowornever]

Aren't there positive and negative charges in chemistry????

[Maaz]

hope this doesnt happen

[iNinja]

Aren't there positive and negative charges in chemistry????

Yes, but not magnets really. The negative and positive you are referring to is the charges of electrons and neutrons.

The appearance of magnets in chemistry is very limited, and if anyone achieves a D in chemistry, I assure you, they wont have used them. lol

[iphonewarrior]

I'm still laughing ;)

I suppose it's an easy mistake to make ROFL.

[mr.reggaeton72]

Actually, magnetic fields do turn up in certain topics of chemistry.

thank you :dft003:coolkid

[mr.reggaeton72]

Aren't there positive and negative charges in chemistry????

indeed.....

[iphonewarrior]

lol.

I think we should stop talking about magnets and chemistry and get on topic. thanks Mr.R for the giggles.

[Europa]

Lol, all technicalities aside, it's Physics. I happen to have College Chemistry and Physics 101 books lying around. It's not even listed in the Chemistry book index.
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[iphonewarrior]

Lol, all technicalities aside, it's Physics. I happen to have College Chemistry and Physics 101 books lying around. It's not even listed in the Chemistry book index.

I think you need to get a hobby lol. Joke.

I like your dedication to the cause. :dft012:wink

[Europa]

I have many hobbies; saltwater fish and coral reef keeping and propagation, rollerblading, iPhone modifications, Astronomy, and Physics ;)

[iphonewarrior]

I have many hobbies; saltwater fish and reef keeping and propagation, rollerblading, iPhone's modifications, Astronomy, and Physics ;)

I'll get back in my box :dft006:unhappy

There was me, thinking I was special because I had a dictionary on my shelf and you blew me out the water :dft002:amazed

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I miss my school days, when I'd be out all night with my telescope, drawing the objects I could see in the night sky - planets, nebulae, the moon, lunar eclipses. occultations, Mercury solar transits and sunspots (during the day, of course!)...

[iNinja]

I have many hobbies; saltwater fish and coral reef keeping and propagation, rollerblading, iPhone modifications, Astronomy, and Physics ;)

Iphone modification is listed as your 4th hobby?? Your not the person I thought you were!! :dft012:wink

I love physics aswel.... chemistry, not so much.

[BrownGem]

Interesting that you brought this up Hawk. While at work 4 days ago at the hospital (very large facility) Verizon techs were there stringing cable.

[Europa]

Interesting that you brought this up Hawk. While at work 4 days ago at the hospital (very large facility) Verizon techs were there stringing cable.
Just curious, what kind of work do you do at the hospital? I'm an ICU RN.

[BrownGem]

I work on a transport team.,,,RN....ground, helicopter, jet. Pediatrics clientele. I hang out in Pedi ICU if I am not transporting.

[Europa]

Cool. I need to get some ER hours in so I can get on the Life Flight team. We currently just have fixed wing, but should have the helicopter some time next year.

[mr.reggaeton72]

I have many hobbies; saltwater fish and coral reef keeping and propagation, rollerblading, iPhone modifications, Astronomy, and Physics ;)

cool hobbies, wanna know my hobbies, listening to reggaeton, also to dominican rap,...and umm..oh yea..talk trash about the iphone...LOL:dft003:coolkid

[Europa]

cool hobbies, wanna know my hobbies, listening to reggaeton, also to dominican rap,...and umm..oh yea..talk trash about the iphone...LOL:dft003:coolkid
Well, every passing moment is another chance to turn it all around :)

[mr.reggaeton72]

Well, every passing moment is another chance to turn it all around :)


yea i know lol, i think that im going to express my opinion, a lot less, after all, this is an IPHONE FORUM,...

[Europa]

yea i know lol, i think that im going to express my opinion, a lot less, after all, this is an IPHONE FORUM,...
You can express your opinion, but it's probably best not to do it in an attacking manner. Anyway, maybe after rethinking things, you might find that you see this all in different lighting. What I mean is, there are a lot of people here that swing getting a new one for free every year, and even making a few bucks profit. If you can do it that way, there's no reason not to upgrade, right?

Even if the upgrades aren't what you want, the phone is more valuable and you can sell it for more (than an older model) the next year. A lot of us here just love the iPhone so much that we get offended when people bash it and more or less say we are stupid for upgrading. I know my reactions are not always right, and I'm trying to improve on how I reply to that type of statement.

[Eragon]

Just heard a rumor from out "Cellular Communications" IT guru that Verizon is going 3G (not evdo) in about 6 months, and should have the iPhone at about the same time.
While I know it's only hearsay, I also know that there has to be some validity to that statement because he is working with Verizon directly to improve the cell signal coverage within the building. ( our whole building is practically a dead-zone unless you are near a window.)

Just wanted to let people know.

This has been one of the active rumor stories I've been following. The latest fact, not rumor, has it that VZW will be implementing LTE via an overlay to its existing CDMA (EVDO) network. Existing EVDO capable phones lacking a 700 mHz radio will not be able to partake in the LTE bands. However, LTE capable devices will be equipped with the 800 and 1900 mHz bands VZW uses for CDMA. When you travel outside an LTE coverage area, you will still have some coverage for calls and data, but on the slower 3G network.

[Hawk]

They have finished putting the repeaters in here at the office. It gives me a "false" 3G signal. I get full bars, but when I ran Speed test, 0 download, 0-50 upload.

I'm contacting our corporate AT&T rep and see if they would put in some microcells around the office.

[juls1585]

i think if the iphone becomes available on multiple networks it would go from a phone price war to a phone service/data plan war. i would love to have an iphone on verizon. i would also like to see the monthly data plan/texting plans go down some.

the world gets its choice of carriers with iphones its going to eventually become a monopoly and everyones going to have iphones.

[Cjvdh]

I seriously hope that Verizon never gets a contract with Apple to sell iPhones.

[Eragon]

I seriously hope that Verizon never gets a contract with Apple to sell iPhones.

Where's the downside? Who cares if VZW locks down the phones and charges outrageous prices for basic applications? Are there no situations where you might be willing to sacrifice some freedom for more bars in more places?

[danipoak]

Yes, but not magnets really. The negative and positive you are referring to is the charges of electrons and neutrons.

The appearance of magnets in chemistry is very limited, and if anyone achieves a D in chemistry, I assure you, they wont have used them. lol

Being an engineering student I am going to add my nerdy nit-picking comment to this thread like the rest of you. Actually you mean the charges refer to electrons on protons, not neutrons, they have no charge :P

Now my relevant comment. I hope VZW gets the iPhone. I have no intention of switching to them as they do not exist in my home state but, I like competition.

[connie]

As much as me and my whole family have been wanting Verizon to carry an iPhone I just don't know how the whole vzw/vcast crap they have will fit into it with iPhone. I don't think Apple would allow it? It's like oil and water.

[Eragon]

As much as me and my whole family have been wanting Verizon to carry an iPhone I just don't know how the whole vzw/vcast crap they have will fit into it with iPhone. I don't think Apple would allow it? It's like oil and water.

Actually, Apple may do whatever the carrier asks it to do. We have seen examples where AT&T has successfully pressured Apple to not permit sale of 3rd party applications or native functionality which is bandwidth intensive. It's not that big a leap of faith for Apple to similarly restrict sales of applications which provide competition to carrier services. In the end, Apple expects the same paycheck from the carrier, regardless of services provided or prohibited.

[firewire]

Actually, Apple may do whatever the carrier asks it to do. We have seen examples where AT&T has successfully pressured Apple to not permit sale of 3rd party applications or native functionality which is bandwidth intensive. It's not that big a leap of faith for Apple to similarly restrict sales of applications which provide competition to carrier services. In the end, Apple expects the same paycheck from the carrier, regardless of services provided or prohibited.
But Verizon's VCast goes against everything the iphone stands for - mobile browsing that looks like your desktop. It's like Verizon saying to Apple to disable their ipod feature because they provide their own music service. It just won't happen.

[Eragon]

But Verizon's VCast goes against everything the iphone stands for - mobile browsing that looks like your desktop. It's like Verizon saying to Apple to disable their ipod feature because they provide their own music service. It just won't happen.

True. But, never say never. Verizon just discontinued its Hub VoIP device and service. A couple of months back, Verizon held a conference to invite potential developers to an app store it was trying to develop. No news on that since. Part of that problem is Verizon's greed and micro-management style. Things have a tendency to shake out when no one procures their services.

What good is a really viable network when you have no devices people want?

[computerfox]

i think if the iphone becomes available on multiple networks it would go from a phone price war to a phone service/data plan war. i would love to have an iphone on verizon. i would also like to see the monthly data plan/texting plans go down some.

the world gets its choice of carriers with iphones its going to eventually become a monopoly and everyones going to have iphones.

i agree with you to an extent. i think that all carriers should provide it's customers with the choice of an iphone because let's just face it, many of us do, but not everyone will have an iphone.

i also agree with you when you say that the data plan fee should be decrease. it's obvious that one of apple's (and it's partner companies) problems is the price for it's products/services, but you pay for the quality of the product. so in a way you get what you pay for, but a smart business move, i would think, would be to lower the prices. that way many others would switch to apple life, so in a way steve jobbs would be getting at least what he gets now or if not more if they lower the price.

also it would be so cool if/when verizon gets an iphone because a great quality phone on one of the best (if not the best) carriers would make the experience that much better.

[firewire]

True. But, never say never. Verizon just discontinued its Hub VoIP device and service. A couple of months back, Verizon held a conference to invite potential developers to an app store it was trying to develop. No news on that since. Part of that problem is Verizon's greed and micro-management style. Things have a tendency to shake out when no one procures their services.

What good is a really viable network when you have no devices people want?
I completely agree, which means Verizon can't demand such outlandish changes to the experience of using an iphone if it ever wants Apple to use their network. We all know how Apple likes to keep their products under tight control. Verizon will have to be humble despite having the best network if it wants to play.

[nbdiver]

Just heard a rumor from out "Cellular Communications" IT guru that Verizon is going 3G (not evdo) in about 6 months, and should have the iPhone at about the same time.
While I know it's only hearsay, I also know that there has to be some validity to that statement because he is working with Verizon directly to improve the cell signal coverage within the building. ( our whole building is practically a dead-zone unless you are near a window.)

Just wanted to let people know.I can confirm that rumor with a friend of mine who writes code for cellular technology. He told me Verizon is going to GSM and will likley go through many of the same difficulties that AT&T did. We'll see what happens?

[Eragon]

I can confirm that rumor with a friend of mine who writes code for cellular technology. He told me Verizon is going to GSM and will likley go through many of the same difficulties that AT&T did. We'll see what happens?

That is correct. It is called Long Term Evolution (LTE), which is a GSM standard. Unlike AT&T and T-Mobile, VZW will not be building its LTE network over a GSM/GPRS/EDGE/HSPA infrastructure. Instead, VZW will be overlaying the LTE network on top of its existing CDMA structure. LTE devices will need radios that not only access the traditional 800/1900 mHz spectrum (1x-RTT/EV-DO), but the 700 mHz as well for LTE.

[justinxtreme]

Um the iPhone isn't coming to Verizon Wireless.

Conflicting Contracts

Verizon requires all phone manufacturers to sign a contract that allows them to modify almost anything in the phone including the software, app store (replacing it or renaming it), disabling some features like GPS, limit user access from the phone (especially to prevent jailbreaking or anything), and some other things like incorporating VCAST Get It Now service in there phones

Meanwhile Apple always wants the phone to be it's best and doesn't want to agree to the contract so they might settle for T-Mobile (If AT&T loses exclusivity) and T-Mobile has a open contract allowing phone manufacturers to design the phone however they want with only a few restrictions. This might enable "3G" for iPhone T-Mobile users

[justinxtreme]

Also Apple barely does anything with unlocking (except now)
Jailbreaking they also barely do anything with that up until now

Because AT&T never really pressured Apple to prevent it and Apple does get alot of sales out of phones getting unlocked

[KamberB]

I was told by someone that works an a Verizon office that the iPhone would be coming to them sometime in 2010 which consists with what the person that started this thread is stating. All I have to say is if this happens good by AT&T; I have always been w/ them but if Verizon is going to have the iPhone then it is no longer worth to stick with the poor signal strength and slow speeds that AT&T has.

[Hawk]

Yeah, I was talking with our cellular communications guy today. He said he can show me the documentation on what's in store for 2010 from Verizon.
It also explains why I can have 100% signal on 3G yet have results from Speed Test app of 56kbps download and 15kbps upload with that connection.



All I can say is that 2010 holds some very special things in store for the iPhone.

[KamberB]

Yeah, I was talking with our cellular communications guy today. He said he can show me the documentation on what's in store for 2010 from Verizon.
It also explains why I can have 100% signal on 3G yet have results from Speed Test app of 56kbps download and 15kbps upload with that connection.



All I can say is that 2010 holds some very special things in store for the iPhone.

Ya as soon as VZ gets and iPhone I will be switching over right away as long as the phone is just as free as the iphone on AT&T with no restrictions through VZ.

What other special things? Care to PM?

[justinxtreme]

So people will buy an iPhone without the App Store (opting for the VCAST Services), GPS, and some other things

Advantages though are you get internet tethering and better coverage and almost no dropped calls and best network

Think about it
It's like buying the Palm Pre

The Palm Pre itself is great but it lacks the apps to back it up

[justinxtreme]

But hopefully AT&T can't keep the exclusivity just like Apple has been doing with other countries and eventually release it to T-Mobile

To me a iPhone with VCAST Services would kind of suck
Cause no iPod app instead replaced with their VCAST music app, no App Store instead replaced with VCAST App Store, and disabled to rip people off GPS ($15 per month opt instead)

I would love it if Verizon didn't have any restrictions or anything (this is why they are failing now with getting customers quality phones compared to the iPhone, Pre, G1, and myTouch)

Hopefully T-Mobile gets it as that would mean T-Mobile opening a new band that iPhones support so it can utilize 3G

T-Mobile is still better than AT&T I'd prefer it rather than a really limited iPhone on Verizon Wireless

Sprint on the otherhand they should go with their Palm Pre (it's awesome) they should improve it... Add a on-screen keyboard and video recording

[justinxtreme]

@ Hawk
Did he say anything about the contract dealing with Apple?
I already said what I heard earlier

[justinxtreme]

Are they getting the iPhone and is it going to have restrictions or anything

[justinxtreme]

My past experience with Verizon Wireless phones are kinda bad

LG Voyager was really slow and kinda buggy plus it wasn't anything like the iPhone not even close

LG Dare was also really buggy and slow and was like a LG Voyage without the keyboard and the new theme interface (now on the Voyager with the update)

LG enV 3 is a great texting phone and some apps do work with it great games too but other than that it sucks

Blackberry Storm the phone I got the first day it came out and returned the same day. It was painfully slow don't care about it even with the new firmware updates

Blackberry Curve 8830 World Edition wasn't unlocked unlike Sprint's version is.

Also noticed that a lot of their phones have a really crappy signal logo... not that I care but it does ruin the look a little bit
Only phones like Blackberry don't have those logos
Hope that doesn't get implemented on the iPhone

Also experience with network with Verizon was extremely great
No drop calls ever

Everywhere I go there is at least two or more bars it never really dropped to two or less at all

Great customer support

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

You've had a lot of cell phones for a 13 year old.

[Hondamaker]

You've had a lot of cell phones for a 13 year old.
Haha....yeah, and I doubt Verizon would not allow access to the app store or the ipod app.

[justinxtreme]

LOL I need to lay off I feel like I'm hijacking this thread

Anyways um I get these phones cause I work with my dad $5 per hour

Also um anyone ever felt like the iPhone was a joke the first day it was released back in 2007 and decided to get the LG Voyager and then switched to the iPhone and feel like Verizon ripped you off

To me Verizon is making the same LG phones that are really crappy just so that they can enter the touchscreen market.

[Moller.Dance]

Future iPhone

I want to get an iPhone but about 4 months ago my family and I started a new plan with Sprint, but after our 2 year contract, we may get AT&T. Will there be a new iPhone in the next 2 years.

[Hondamaker]

Future iPhone

Will there be a new iPhone in the next 2 years.The trend is (so far) a new iPhone once a year, around late June/early July.