Helo, I'm a Zune, and I'm an iPhone ...

[bigviking]

How about this for an add ...

Hello, I'm a zune (looking like a dork, and jamming out to his Zune), and I'm an iPhone.

Nice, what all can you do on that Zune ...

As he is talking about useless things, the cell phone in his pocket rings. He then fumbles around trying to get it out of his pocket, and eventually drops the Zune and his cell phone, ruining both of them.

The Apple guy then gets a call and starts talking just be clicking on his headphone switch.

I think it would make for a very compelling ad.

[rrjr80]

Clever premise, but I don't really think that the Zune and the iPhone are viewed as competitors. I mean, the Zune isn't a phone and comparing it to an iPhone really isn't fair.

Now, if iPhone was compared to another smart phone in a similar advertisement, it might make a bit more sense.

[bigviking]

Clever premise, but I don't really think that the Zune and the iPhone are viewed as competitors. I mean, the Zune isn't a phone and comparing it to an iPhone really isn't fair.

Now, if iPhone was compared to another smart phone in a similar advertisement, it might make a bit more sense.

I see your point, but I still think it would have broad appeal since Microsoft doesn't actually build a phone, and the Zune is such a big fat clunker.

[tadrewcook]

Hey now...

Yeah the Zune is fat, and the wifi is useless, and there's no gapless playback or lossless support, and there's no HD support, and there's no updates...

But it's not as bad as all the Apple Fanboys like to make it out to be.

I love my Zune. And my iPhone.

[mrlampp]

How about this for an add ...

Hello, I'm a zune (looking like a dork, and jamming out to his Zune), and I'm an iPhone.

Nice, what all can you do on that Zune ...

As he is talking about useless things, the cell phone in his pocket rings. He then fumbles around trying to get it out of his pocket, and eventually drops the Zune and his cell phone, ruining both of them.

The Apple guy then gets a call and starts talking just be clicking on his headphone switch.

I think it would make for a very compelling ad.

How about, I'm an iPhone, I'm overpriced. I have no real storage, but I look cool...

[TrippalHealicks]

How about, I'm an iPhone, I'm overpriced. I have no real storage, but I look cool...

I know, 8 gigs is just so small these days for built-in storage on a cell phone!!!

:rolleyes:

[nyc_rock]

How about this;

Im a Treo and Im an Iphone.

The treo is listening to music and taking phone calls just like the iphone. Then the treo gets into a car, turns on Tom Tom Nav and starts driving around strange places without a worry. At the same time the iphone gets into a car, loads google maps and realizes he's skrewed because google maps is actually worthless.

That would be really funny.

[dsuppa]

How about this;

Im a Treo and Im an Iphone.

The treo is listening to music and taking phone calls just like the iphone. Then the treo gets into a car, turns on Tom Tom Nav and starts driving around strange places without a worry. At the same time the iphone gets into a car, loads google maps and realizes he's skrewed because google maps is actually worthless.

That would be really funny.

lol, that would be funny.

[IceTrAiN]

Wow. Summer camp must be on vacation, because all the iPhone haters don't have anything to do but to come to an iPhone forum and talk trash. Hopefully the rage will subside when Power Rangers come on.

[spacerog]

I know, 8 gigs is just so small these days for built-in storage on a cell phone!!!

I assume your being sarcastic but I've got like 7 hours of music on my iPhone right now and I not even using up 1GB yet.

- SR

[lilo]

I see your point, but I still think it would have broad appeal since Microsoft doesn't actually build a phone, and the Zune is such a big fat clunker.

While MS does not build phones it does have a software for phones (Windows Mobile) which is used in many phone models. Comparing software would be a more meaningful thing to do. Feature by feature, iPhone would lose to WM by a big margin though.

[Johnny iPhone]

How about this;

Im a Treo and Im an Iphone.

The treo is listening to music and taking phone calls just like the iphone. Then the treo gets into a car, turns on Tom Tom Nav and starts driving around strange places without a worry. At the same time the iphone gets into a car, loads google maps and realizes he's skrewed because google maps is actually worthless.

That would be really funny.

How many resets should the treo have in a 30 sec commercial? 2 or 3? =)

[nyc_rock]

Wow. Summer camp must be on vacation, because all the iPhone haters don't have anything to do but to come to an iPhone forum and talk trash. Hopefully the rage will subside when Power Rangers come on.

No iphone hater here. I just get a kick out apologists who are dealing with the reality that comes with Gen 1 devices. Even the untouchable apple is not immune.

Iphone is very cool. When the 3G version comes out on a respectable carrier I might even consider getting one.

[tharmsen]

No iphone hater here. I just get a kick out apologists who are dealing with the reality that comes with Gen 1 devices. Even the untouchable apple is not immune.

Iphone is very cool. When the 3G version comes out on a respectable carrier I might even consider getting one.
So you don't own one and you have no plans on getting one (I guess you missed the part where Apple and AT&T have a 5 year exclusive contract) yet you take time out of what I'm sure is a very busy day at work to come here and post snarky comments about iPhones?

Brilliant.

You need a hobby dude... or a toy like the iPhone to keep you entertained so you don't waste your time and ours.

[aggieman]

Hey now...

Yeah the Zune is fat, and the wifi is useless, and there's no gapless playback or lossless support, and there's no HD support, and there's no updates...

But it's not as bad as all the Apple Fanboys like to make it out to be.

I love my Zune. And my iPhone.

I'm with you man. I love my Zune. and I really love my iPhone. If the iPhone was 30 GB and had a radio tuner or could at least stream radio from the web, maybe I'd lose the Zune. And the Zune isn't that big. I don't understand everyone's obsession with smaller and smaller. I can fit the zune in my pocket just fine.

Just for the record. I'm not a apple or ms fanboy. i own a mac, vista pc, ipod nano, iPhone, and Zune. I just really love my toys and they all offer something different in one way or another.

[tharmsen]

While MS does not build phones it does have a software for phones (Windows Mobile) which is used in many phone models. Comparing software would be a more meaningful thing to do. Feature by feature, iPhone would lose to WM by a big margin though.
Yup, my favorite feature of my Windows Mobile 5 Moto Q is the fact it crashes at least once every other day. When you plug in the charger on a USB cable it won't take a charge if it's below a certain level (like 30% power remaining) so you need to carry a wall charger everywhere... oh, and you need to charge it every 4-6 hours and that's with the extended battery. Oh, and I love how you have to carefully monitor running applications because it not only contributes to battery drain but it also contributes to those wonderful crashes... so you manually have to go in and kill applications because when you close them they don't really close.

I'll keep my inferior iPhone that doesn't crash, has 2 days of power with lots of phone calls, watching videos and listening to music the whole time and I don't have to futz with keeping watch on what app is running and killing those I don't need running at the time to conserve power and memory.

[nyc_rock]

So you don't own one and you have no plans on getting one (I guess you missed the part where Apple and AT&T have a 5 year exclusive contract) yet you take time out of what I'm sure is a very busy day at work to come here and post snarky comments about iPhones?

Brilliant.

You need a hobby dude... or a toy like the iPhone to keep you entertained so you don't waste your time and ours.


I have a hobby, baiting Iphone apologists.

Seriously, I have no problem with Iphone owners or the device. I think its cool as hell. but this particular thread was started by someone bashing Microsoft with the usual apple elitist mantra. So please, dont be so defensive.

[aggieman]

No iphone hater here. I just get a kick out apologists who are dealing with the reality that comes with Gen 1 devices. Even the untouchable apple is not immune.

Iphone is very cool. When the 3G version comes out on a respectable carrier I might even consider getting one.

respectable carrier? last i checked AT&T/Cingular had the most subscribers of any carrier in the US. are they my favorite? no, Verizon is by far. BUT, i have had no problems with AT&T whatsoever.

Yes the lack of 3G sucks. But the iPhone loads pages faster (and full html webpages, not WAP versions) faster than my Q did on Verizon's or Sprint's EVDO service. I'm getting close to 200k on EDGE although i rarely have to use it because i'm usually around a wireless network.

as far as the iPhone i have had no problems whatsoever. much less than my Treos/Q's/Blackberrys. Yes lack of MMS, mp3 ringtones are disappointing, i agree with the general consensus that these things will be added via software updates.

[tharmsen]

Just for the record. I'm not a apple or ms fanboy. i own a mac, vista pc, ipod nano, iPhone, and Zune. I just really love my toys and they all offer something different in one way or another.
I'm with you. I like what works and what keeps me entertained. I haven't tried a Zune mostly because I bought my 60GB iPod a couple of years ago and it's still going strong after daily use. I just recently stopped carrying and using it daily when I picked up my iPhone. It does everything and more so I don't really need it. I just can't carry a full season of television shows on the iPhone... I have to keep it to the most recent 5 shows for those I watch... which is plenty. :p

[aggieman]

Yup, my favorite feature of my Windows Mobile 5 Moto Q is the fact it crashes at least once every other day. When you plug in the charger on a USB cable it won't take a charge if it's below a certain level (like 30% power remaining) so you need to carry a wall charger everywhere... oh, and you need to charge it every 4-6 hours and that's with the extended battery. Oh, and I love how you have to carefully monitor running applications because it not only contributes to battery drain but it also contributes to those wonderful crashes... so you manually have to go in and kill applications because when you close them they don't really close.

I'll keep my inferior iPhone that doesn't crash, has 2 days of power with lots of phone calls, watching videos and listening to music the whole time and I don't have to futz with keeping watch on what app is running and killing those I don't need running at the time to conserve power and memory.

haha right on brother. my sentiments exactly. the reason i got away from the Q. I'm curious if WM 6 cured any of those issues though.

[tharmsen]

as far as the iPhone i have had no problems whatsoever. much less than my Treos/Q's/Blackberrys. Yes lack of MMS, mp3 ringtones are disappointing, i agree with the general consensus that these things will be added via software updates.
Yeah, I'm done with Blackberry too. I loved the email functionality of my 7250, but in the two years I had it I had to have it replaced no less than 4 times. One died and the others had various problems related with the keyboard and crashing.

I'm hoping the iPhone lasts a little longer and holds up a little better. We'll see.

[nyc_rock]

"I'll keep my inferior iPhone that doesn't crash, has 2 days of power with lots of phone calls, watching videos and listening to music the whole time and I don't have to futz with keeping watch on what app is running and killing those I don't need running at the time to conserve power and memory."

Ah, so now its on. A meaningfull debate comparing WM5 (6) vs the Iphone. I have the treo 700wx which almost never crashes, allows me to customize it the way I like and lets me add thousands of third party apps, like sling player ect ect. The iphone is a simplistic device that does one thing well, and thats play music. I have read hundreds of posts on here complaining of Safari crashing, the phone freezing up, the battery not charging and the volume being to low to be useful as a phone. The last of which I have confirmed on two of my friends devices.

[tharmsen]

haha right on brother. my sentiments exactly. the reason i got away from the Q. I'm curious if WM 6 cured any of those issues though.
I like the idea of a Windows operating system on a phone and I do hope WM6 cures many of the issues that plagued earlier versions. But I'm not real hopeful... it seems that with Windows devices they fix old problems then introduce new ones with new features. I have been *****ing about bugs in Windows devices since the good old CE days. But I'll keep my fingers crossed.

If Apple wants to steal me (and others) away from Windows for good, give us the ability to install 3rd party applications. That's the real draw to WM for me.

[aggieman]

I'm with you. I like what works and what keeps me entertained. I haven't tried a Zune mostly because I bought my 60GB iPod a couple of years ago and it's still going strong after daily use. I just recently stopped carrying and using it daily when I picked up my iPhone. It does everything and more so I don't really need it. I just can't carry a full season of television shows on the iPhone... I have to keep it to the most recent 5 shows for those I watch... when is plenty. :P

You mention TV shows. That's the one thing Apple has over Zune. I love the ability to download TV shows straight from iTunes. Zune Marketplace last i checked still doesn't offer movie or TV downloads. The main reason i keep Zune is the unlimited music subscription-I think it's like 15/mo for unlimited music. Gives me plenty of tunes to take on the lake and blast out on the boat. If iTunes ever gives a unlimited monthly subscription the Zune will hit ebay pretty fast.

[lilo]

Yup, my favorite feature of my Windows Mobile 5 Moto Q is the fact it crashes at least once every other day.

I have Cingular 3125 which I re-charge once a week (I keep it on stand by but I do not use it much) and it does not crash ever. Not only OS does not crash on it, its aplication do not crash either unlike on iPhone where while OS is stable (it is Unix after all) applications do crash often.

[tharmsen]

Ah, so now its on. A meaningfull debate comparing WM5 (6) vs the Iphone. I have the treo 700wx which almost never crashes, allows me to customize it the way I like and lets me add thousands of third party apps, like sling player ect ect. The iphone is a simplistic device that does one thing well, and thats play music. I have read hundreds of posts on here complaining of Safari crashing, the phone freezing up, the battery not charging and the volume being to low to be useful as a phone. The last of which I have confirmed on two of my friends devices.
You said it yourself, it's a first generation device. Windows is on what, version 6 and it's still highly unstable? You have the one Treo that doesn't crash apparently, congrats. I guess I have the one iPhone that hasn't crashed Safari, had the battery not charge or that hasn't locked up.

Being a former WM5 (and earlier versions) user prior to picking up my iPhone, I know exactly what the ups and downs are. My Q was a great toy, ok email appliance and down right crappy phone. My Q wasn't unique, I had two of them and both had the same problems. My Samsung i700 (first gen device) also had serious problems, but it was fun. Anyway, the iPhone will soon be unlocked so the file system can be accessed. I'm sure we'll eventually have access to 3rd party apps. While there are "thousands" of 3rd party apps for the WM5 platform, about 100 of them are even remotely useful and the rest will likely render your device useless due to crappy ports or shoddy coding done by a high school student. But regardless, I do want the ability to install additional apps on my iPhone.

The beauty of the iPhone is that most of the issues mentioned are either 1) the result of a defective device - exchange it or 2) something the up coming patch will address.

Playing music on a WM5 device is painful at best. Watching movies, while I did it, was also painful as I didn't have the battery power to make it through a full movie. Yes, the iPhone does music and video beautifully, which is what most people wanted - including me. I wanted an integrated device that would keep me entertained and allow me to access the web/internet. Safari is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything on any WM5 device. And let's face it, we geeks live for the internet. Between the incredible UI, seamless integration of music and video and the near perfect execution of web browsing... the iPhone puts any WM5 device to shame.

If Apple makes three changes to the OS on the iPhone they will put it WAY out in front of anything based on WM5... and I'm sure we'll see some of these changes in the next two months: improved email support for Exchange, unlock the file system and the ability to install 3rd party apps. At that point there will be no comparison to anything based on WM5. You can cling to yesterdays technology all you want, but it won't change the fact that even in it's first generation glory, the iPhone has just set the entire phone business on its ear.

The iPhone is SO revolutionary that Congress is already holding hearings about the 5 year deal with AT&T... it's so revolutionary that it will likely be the key to unlocking the painful exclusive contracts we suffer under.

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/07/10/congress-holds-iphone-hearings-att-exclusivity-challenged/

No Windows device caused this much uproar or revolutionized the industry.

[tharmsen]

I have Cingular 3125 which I re-charge once a week (I keep it on stand by but I do not use it much) and it does not crash ever. Not only OS does not crash on it, its aplication do not crash either unlike on iPhone where while OS is stable (it is Unix after all) applications do crash often.
You rarely use the phone but you want to tell me it's stable? Try using it daily like I do my devices... try installing applications that extend the functionality to a useful level (like Extreme Agenda) only to have the phone puke every other day or so. Turning it on and letting it sit endlessly is hardly a quantitative test.

[lilo]

The iPhone is SO revolutionary that Congress is already holding hearings about the 5 year deal with AT&T... it's so revolutionary that it will likely be the key to unlocking the painful exclusive contracts we suffer under.

You misunderestood this one. It is not that the iPhone is revolutionary (because it is not) it is that the deal is counter-revolutionary that it hurts the consumers (you).

As far as iPhone OS is concerned - it is a Berkeley Unix developed in 1970s. The jury is still out whether this OS is suitable for mobile devices or specialized OS is better (like WM).

[nyc_rock]

You said it yourself, it's a first generation device. Windows is on what, version 6 and it's still highly unstable? You have the one Treo that doesn't crash apparently, congrats. I guess I have the one iPhone that hasn't crashed Safari, had the battery not charge or that hasn't locked up.

Being a former WM5 (and earlier versions) user prior to picking up my iPhone, I know exactly what the ups and downs are. My Q was a great toy, ok email appliance and down right crappy phone. My Q wasn't unique, I had two of them and both had the same problems. My Samsung i700 (first gen device) also had serious problems, but it was fun. Anyway, the iPhone will soon be unlocked so the file system can be accessed. I'm sure we'll eventually have access to 3rd party apps. While there are "thousands" of 3rd party apps for the WM5 platform, about 100 of them are even remotely useful and the rest will likely render your device useless due to crappy ports or shoddy coding done by a high school student. But regardless, I do want the ability to install additional apps on my iPhone.

The beauty of the iPhone is that most of the issues mentioned are either 1) the result of a defective device - exchange it or 2) something the up coming patch will address.

Playing music on a WM5 device is painful at best. Watching movies, while I did it, was also painful as I didn't have the battery power to make it through a full movie. Yes, the iPhone does music and video beautifully, which is what most people wanted - including me. I wanted an integrated device that would keep me entertained and allow me to access the web/internet. Safari is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything on any WM5 device. And let's face it, we geeks live for the internet. Between the incredible UI, seamless integration of music and video and the near perfect execution of web browsing... the iPhone puts any WM5 device to shame.

If Apple makes three changes to the OS on the iPhone they will put it WAY out in front of anything based on WM5... and I'm sure we'll see some of these changes in the next two months: improved email support for Exchange, unlock the file system and the ability to install 3rd party apps. At that point there will be no comparison to anything based on WM5. You can cling to yesterdays technology all you want, but it won't change the fact that even in it's first generation glory, the iPhone has just set the entire phone business on its ear.

The iPhone is SO revolutionary that Congress is already holding hearings about the 5 year deal with AT&T... it's so revolutionary that it will likely be the key to unlocking the painful exclusive contracts we suffer under.

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/07/10/congress-holds-iphone-hearings-att-exclusivity-challenged/

No Windows device caused this much uproar or revolutionized the industry.


Congress is getting involved in the Iphone?

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, democracy simply does not work.

-Kent Brockman

Regarding your other points. Apple has indeed succeeded in creating a truly beautiful interface. But thats really about all they have done. People are chearing some of these features which you yourself have probably enjoyed for the last couple of years. Listening to music on WM5 is not painful, but painless. Windows media has its online store, tracks are selected and downloaded and your on your way. Alblum art and everything. Add to that the joy of listening to music of A2DP and you have a terrific experience.

The Q had many problems that have been documented. I actually used the black q for about four months and while I didnt particularly like the smartphone OS I though the device was pretty solid.

Bottom line is the Iphone from a functionality standpoint is not revolutionary by any means. Its is the slick user interface that is a sight to behold. I would imagine, you yourself, in a couple of months will be hoping that Apple rethinks thier position on not allowing others to develop programs. I can see the greatness in that screen, especially when paired with a slingplayer or a nav system. I also think navigating around will become tiresome and you will be clamoring to get some additional ways to access your programs. After all, always having to return to the home screen to switch apps seems a bit tedious. You can never really understand how much you will love a device until you have used it for a month. At that point you have probably used it in most situations and have discovered the ins and outs. I can tell you that with my Treo, I have used this thing every way possible and it amazes me how good it really is. Its not perfect of course, but it does pretty much everything well.

[lilo]

You rarely use the phone but you want to tell me it's stable?

While I do use it infrequently, I have been using it for a year now and acumulated usage is substantial enough for me to make a judgement. Device does not crash. I do use it as a phone and for browsing Internet and for calendar. The phone actually have much more applications than the iPhone so the need to look for 3rd party applications is much less acute. And as always with MS products - because they are used on hundreds of models and with hundreds of applications - it is prone to be less stable. With Apple you get stability at the expence of freedom (like with communism). Not everybody accepts that tradeof (most people do not). Those who can live with one-button mouse (for the style sake) for decades might prefer iPhone, those who have work to do go with MS.

[tharmsen]

You misunderestood this one. It is not that the iPhone is revolutionary (because it is not) it is that the deal is counter-revolutionary that it hurts the consumers (you).
The phone is so un-revolutionary it sold 700,000 units the first week.

As far as iPhone OS is concerned - it is a Berkeley Unix developed in 1970s. The jury is still out whether this OS is suitable for mobile devices or specialized OS is better (like WM).Yes, the jury is still out...I mean, over a million units in circulation and a population that can't get enough of the phone... we'll probably have to form a Congressional hearing to get to the bottom of whether or not the Unix OS is suitable for hand held devices... I mean... no one has ever used Unix in a hand held device before....

http://www.linuxdevices.com/

LOL

[nyc_rock]

"The phone is so un-revolutionary it sold 700,000 units the first week."

Oh come on dude. Thats simply Apples cult like customer base. Lets see if its hits the 10 million mark with in a year, like Apple predicted.

[tharmsen]

Bottom line is the Iphone from a functionality standpoint is not revolutionary by any means. Its is the slick user interface that is a sight to behold. I would imagine, you yourself, in a couple of months will be hoping that Apple rethinks thier position on not allowing others to develop programs.
I am a VP of Quality Assurance for a large multi-national firm so I have some experience in software and hardware testing. The UI is in fact "functionality" my friend. As a matter of fact, the UI is everything. How a device interfaces with a person is the absolute most critical aspect of any device or design. The iPhone is revolutionary in this respect, that is unless you can point to another device that does what the iPhone does. Since you can't and since I'm willing to bet future phones from other manufacturers will soon clone the UI of the iPhone, it's safe to say its interface is in fact revolutionary.

It has already started: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6189822.html

We do work for Motorola, and many of us were early adopters of the Q. I sat in many meetings discussing the Q long before it came to store shelves, and one of the things we dinged the Q for early on was the UI. Some of that fault resides with the OS and some with the hardware. Regardless, WM5 is not what average people would call "user friendly".

[tharmsen]

"The phone is so un-revolutionary it sold 700,000 units the first week."

Oh come on dude. Thats simply Apples cult like customer base. Lets see if its hits the 10 million mark with in a year, like Apple predicted.
LOL, get real. With Windows having some 80% of the market are you saying they don't have a "cult like following"?

[nyc_rock]

LOL, get real. With Windows having some 80% of the market are you saying they don't have a "cult like following"?

Cult like? No. Windows is ubiqitous which is why they have the market. But there is never the hype as with Apple products.

[tharmsen]

Cult like? No. Windows is ubiqitous which is why they have the market. But there is never the hype as with Apple products.
LOL, yeah... no cult like following for Windows... just the guys with 4% market share can have a "cult like following".

It's amazing how people on the inside of something are so jaded to the world around them.

[aggieman]

"The phone is so un-revolutionary it sold 700,000 units the first week."

Oh come on dude. Thats simply Apples cult like customer base. Lets see if its hits the 10 million mark with in a year, like Apple predicted.

I'd be willing to bet at least half the people that bought the iPhone could care less who the manufacturer is. I for one wouldn't not care one bit if it was an MS device. As i stated in my earlier post, i'm not a fan of either apple or MS. I am a fan of toys in general. You are dishing on this product for what it is not...at least not yet. Nobody ever said this was supposed to be a "business only" device. I for one bought it to consolidate my multimedia player/cell phone and to be able to get corporate email and surf the web. for most people that's plenty. There are other features like the rotating touch screen, visual voicemail, the 4 or 8GB of storage space that are unique within the cell phone industry. Does it have document editing programs (yet?) no. does it have full exchange support (yet?) no. However, those things are easily fixable through software. The phone on the streets now is not the final product. I was an early adopter of the Q as well and i'm with tharmsen on his views of the Q. Yes I loved the ability to customize my phone that WM offered. I loved the file viewing abilities. But it was atrocious for movie watching or music playback. Ever so often i'd use the scaled down version of Documents to Go which you had to purchase separate for document editing...but really it sucked. Battery life sucks with WM-even when all programs are closed within the task manager. If you have more than a couple programs open...look out for the inevitable freeze or extremely slow operation. Open two windows with Pocket IE? Don't even think about it. With Safari i can open 5 or 6 windows and browse several pages with the touch of a finger.

bottom line, quit dogging the iPhone for what it doesn't do. all of the things it and the WM devices both have capabilities of doing, the iPhone does every one of them much, much better. And through firmware upgrades I'm betting that the other features are just a couple months away.

Oh and what's the storage space limited at on WM? I think the biggest mini SD my Q would accept was 2GB.

[lilo]

The phone is so un-revolutionary it sold 700,000 units the first week.


This is called hype - not revolution. Apple fans had to wait years and years to get the phone while MS fans have been enjoying WM phones :smile: The lack of features in iPhone is too well documented to repeat.

Here is a brief history of STeve Job's "revolutions":

Steve Jobs on Lisa Computer (1983)
“We’re going to blow IBM away. There’s nothing they can do when this computer comes out. This is so revolutionary, it’s incredible.” (Steve Jobs to John Sculley)

Here is 1992 video of Steve Jobs demonstrating "revolutionary" Steve Jobs demonstrating NeXTSTEP/NeXTMail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A&eurl=

Apple Computer press releases: "Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh."

Keynote presentation by Steve Jobs, held at MACWORLD Expo, New York, 2001.
There are DVD players in 1/4 houses in the US. The DVD revolution is here, and Apple is at the forefront. With the SuperDrive available in the mid-range machine

July 19, 2002, No. 310 MACWORLD Expo News [1] Apple Introduces Jaguar, the Next Major Release of Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/17jaguar.html)
Mac OS X v10.2 "Jaguar" (http://developer.apple.com/macosx/) features more than 150 amazing new features and applications. It includes a new Mail application designed to eliminate junk mail, the iChat AIM-compatible instant messenger, a system-wide Address Book, Inkwell handwriting recognition, QuickTime 6 with MPEG-4, improved Universal Access, an enhanced Finder, Sherlock 3 with Internet Services, and Rendezvous, Apple's revolutionary home networking technology. Jaguar will be publicly available August 24 for a suggested retail price of US$ 129.


WWDC 2004 - Steve Jobs Keynote:
"Now I'd like to talk about what is the most revolutionary feature in Tiger..."

Apple Press release, 2005
Apple® today announced that Mac OS® X version 10.4 "Tiger" will go on sale Friday, April 29, beginning at 6:00 p.m. during special events at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. Tiger has more than 200 new features and innovations including Spotlight™, a revolutionary desktop search technology that lets

Macworld 2007, Steve Jobs keynote:
"Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything."

"Well today, we're introducing THREE revolutionary new products. The first one is a widescreen ipod with touch controls. The second is a revolutionary new mobile phone. And the third is a breakthrough internet communications device."

June 27, Town Hall Meeting Steve Jobs' speach:

"We're launching the most revolutionary and exciting product in Apple's history this Friday"

WWDC 2006, SAN FRANCISCO—AUGUST 7, 2006—Apple® today previewed Mac OS® X version 10.5 Leopard, the sixth major version of Mac OS X, to its third party developers. Leopard, scheduled to ship in spring 2007, extends Apple’s leadership in software innovation with groundbreaking new features, including Time Machine, a revolutionary new way to automatically back up and restore ...

[nyc_rock]

I am a VP of Quality Assurance for a large multi-national firm so I have some experience in software and hardware testing. The UI is in fact "functionality" my friend. As a matter of fact, the UI is everything. How a device interfaces with a person is the absolute most critical aspect of any device or design. The iPhone is revolutionary in this respect, that is unless you can point to another device that does what the iPhone does. Since you can't and since I'm willing to bet future phones from other manufacturers will soon clone the UI of the iPhone, it's safe to say its interface is in fact revolutionary.

It has already started: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6189822.html

We do work for Motorola, and many of us were early adopters of the Q. I sat in many meetings discussing the Q long before it came to store shelves, and one of the things we dinged the Q for early on was the UI. Some of that fault resides with the OS and some with the hardware. Regardless, WM5 is not what average people would call "user friendly".


Apple is great at make slick UI, no doubt. But as to actually functionality? I dont see it. Sure its cool to flick through lists and pinch things, but it has no other unique aspect to it.
Microsoft is actually releasing a new browser called deepfish which renders pages just like the Iphone.

[nyc_rock]

"Oh and what's the storage space limited at on WM? I think the biggest mini SD my Q would accept was 2GB."

I have a 4 gig in my Treo, 43 bucks. 8's are on the way although as of today the Treo does not support SDHC formats. That will require a new driver.

[tharmsen]

This is called hype - not revolution. Apple fans had to wait years and years to get the phone while MS fans have been enjoying WM phones :smile: The lack of features in iPhone is too well documented to repeat.

Here is a brief history of STeve Job's "revolutions":

Steve Jobs on Lisa Computer (1983)
“We’re going to blow IBM away. There’s nothing they can do when this computer comes out. This is so revolutionary, it’s incredible.” (Steve Jobs to John Sculley)

Here is 1992 video of Steve Jobs demonstrating "revolutionary" Steve Jobs demonstrating NeXTSTEP/NeXTMail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A&eurl=

Apple Computer press releases: "Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh."

Keynote presentation by Steve Jobs, held at MACWORLD Expo, New York, 2001.
There are DVD players in 1/4 houses in the US. The DVD revolution is here, and Apple is at the forefront. With the SuperDrive available in the mid-range machine

July 19, 2002, No. 310 MACWORLD Expo News [1] Apple Introduces Jaguar, the Next Major Release of Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/17jaguar.html)
Mac OS X v10.2 "Jaguar" (http://developer.apple.com/macosx/) features more than 150 amazing new features and applications. It includes a new Mail application designed to eliminate junk mail, the iChat AIM-compatible instant messenger, a system-wide Address Book, Inkwell handwriting recognition, QuickTime 6 with MPEG-4, improved Universal Access, an enhanced Finder, Sherlock 3 with Internet Services, and Rendezvous, Apple's revolutionary home networking technology. Jaguar will be publicly available August 24 for a suggested retail price of US$ 129.


WWDC 2004 - Steve Jobs Keynote:
"Now I'd like to talk about what is the most revolutionary feature in Tiger..."

Apple Press release, 2005
Apple® today announced that Mac OS® X version 10.4 "Tiger" will go on sale Friday, April 29, beginning at 6:00 p.m. during special events at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. Tiger has more than 200 new features and innovations including Spotlight™, a revolutionary desktop search technology that lets

Macworld 2007, Steve Jobs keynote:
"Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything."

"Well today, we're introducing THREE revolutionary new products. The first one is a widescreen ipod with touch controls. The second is a revolutionary new mobile phone. And the third is a breakthrough internet communications device."

June 27, Town Hall Meeting Steve Jobs' speach:

"We're launching the most revolutionary and exciting product in Apple's history this Friday"

WWDC 2006, SAN FRANCISCO—AUGUST 7, 2006—Apple® today previewed Mac OS® X version 10.5 Leopard, the sixth major version of Mac OS X, to its third party developers. Leopard, scheduled to ship in spring 2007, extends Apple’s leadership in software innovation with groundbreaking new features, including Time Machine, a revolutionary new way to automatically back up and restore ...
This post is so beyond relavent it's almost comical.

You guys are so desperate to bash Apple/iPod/iPhone/Steve Jobs you're whipping out wildly irrelevant nonsense like this.

Ok, we got it. You hate Apple, Steve Jobs, etc. You sit here and call us "fan boys" because we bought an iPhone yet you clowns come here and try to tell us the iPhone really sucks and that WM5 is superior (who's the fan boy now?). Let's forget that the two most active posters in this thread defending the iPhone aren't "fan boys" in the slightest. I have FAR more Windows devices than I have Apple products. I've been a die hard PC guy my entire life. I've worked with Mac's in the past mostly because I had to due to my line of work, I kept them around for testing. I am totally agnostic to technology from the standpoint that I don't care what OS it runs, who makes the chips or what company sells the product with their name on it - I want cutting edge and innovative tools that make me go "WOW".

The iPhone does it, and I'm not unique. As a matter of fact, turn to any media outlet and you'll find that the iPhone has broad appeal.

I find it laughable that you guys are spending so much time here, on an iPhone users forum, trying to convince us the iPhone sucks and that we should still be using our WM5 products... as if we're incapable of deciding for ourselves which device best suits our needs.

But hey, knock yourselves out. I'm always up for a good laugh. :wink:

[nyc_rock]

I acutally just love these devices and enjoy discussing them. I havent bashed the Iphone once. What I find funny is the defensive nature of everybody on here. One remark not paying homage to Iphone superiority is considered blasphamy. Chill. Enjoy your purchase. This is a forum for discussion.

[tharmsen]

I acutally just love these devices and enjoy discussing them. I havent bashed the Iphone once. What I find funny is the defensive nature of everybody on here. One remark not paying homage to Iphone superiority is considered blasphamy. Chill. Enjoy your purchase. This is a forum for discussion.
I do get defensive against sophomoric comments like calling us "fan boys". I am relaxed and I am enjoying my purchase despite others best efforts to convince me the iPhone sucks.

Thanks though for caring though.

You were the one that wanted an in depth and meaningful conversation about the benefits/features of WM5 vs. the iPhone yet I've seen very little depth to the conversation at all.

[nyc_rock]

I do get defensive against sophomoric comments like calling us "fan boys". I am relaxed and I am enjoying my purchase despite others best efforts to convince me the iPhone sucks.

Thanks though for caring though.

You were the one that wanted an in depth and meaningful conversation about the benefits/features of WM5 vs. the iPhone yet I've seen very little depth to the conversation at all.


Wow, I thought I made quite a few references comparing to the OS's. I guess I simply dont have the capacity to converse with a man of your superior intellect. I guess your right, the Iphone is right for you. A superior product for a superior guy.

[tharmsen]

Wow, I thought I made quite a few references comparing to the OS's. I guess I simply dont have the capacity to converse with a man of your superior intellect. I guess your right, the Iphone is right for you. A superior product for a superior guy.
Aww, did someone get their little feelers hurt?

LOL

After making the challenge you made exactly one post with any substance to it. When I responded to your points, you went off on a tangent about cult followings and never returned to the discussion.

[nyc_rock]

Aww, did someone get their little feelers hurt?

LOL

After making the challenge you made exactly one post with any substance to it. When I responded to your points, you went off on a tangent about cult followings and never returned to the discussion.

You can sleep easy knowing you did not hurt my feelings.

As an ex WM5 user and in the business I am actually suprised that you find the Iphone meets your needs.

[tharmsen]

Yup, it's not "revolutionary"... it's nothing but a bunch of fan boys in a cult following generating this interest:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=18539&pagtype=allchandate

[bigviking]

While MS does not build phones it does have a software for phones (Windows Mobile) which is used in many phone models. Comparing software would be a more meaningful thing to do. Feature by feature, iPhone would lose to WM by a big margin though.

Yes, it would lose feature by feature but that is a crazy way to judge something. The iPhone is a better phone, web browsing device, and email reader. There are many products (Vista for one) that look fantastic if all you are doing is marking checkboxes for the features that they contain.

But, if the overall user experience leaves many people wondering why they "upgraded" to Vista, whats the point ?

The overall feeling, ease of use, and how well it does each of the features is much more meaningful than the simple checklist.

Heck, the Zune looks great from a checklist perspective yet I don't know a single person that has actually bought one. That they miss the point on a bigger issue ?

[nyc_rock]

Yup, it's not "revolutionary"... it's nothing but a bunch of fan boys in a cult following generating this interest:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=18539&pagtype=allchandate


"In an additional survey of 34,000 respondents conducted by Lightspeed Research on 5 July, nearly half of those who would like to own an iPhone stated that the benefits of having music, movie, internet and wireless all in one was the top reason."

LOL, I wonder if 17,000 respondents are aware that that capability has existed for the last three years, at least.

[tharmsen]

"In an additional survey of 34,000 respondents conducted by Lightspeed Research on 5 July, nearly half of those who would like to own an iPhone stated that the benefits of having music, movie, internet and wireless all in one was the top reason."

LOL, I wonder if 17,000 respondents are aware that that capability has existed for the last three years, at least.
LOL, yeah - there are so many other devices out there that rival the iPhones interface and sleek design.

[aggieman]

"In an additional survey of 34,000 respondents conducted by Lightspeed Research on 5 July, nearly half of those who would like to own an iPhone stated that the benefits of having music, movie, internet and wireless all in one was the top reason."

LOL, I wonder if 17,000 respondents are aware that that capability has existed for the last three years, at least.

true the capability has existed. but not in nearly as pleasureable of an experience as using the iPhone. All the treo's, Q's, and even the Vcast phones i had with Verizon sucked for music and video playback. All in all it was always a rather tedious process. Sound quality was horrible. Picture quality subpar and viewing area miniscule at best. You are right, they do it...but they do not do it well. And the WAP internet sites that take forever to load on them are stripped down pages. And don't even try to load a full html page on a Q or Treo (esp. espn.com or dallasnews.com). It will lock up, reboot, or just operate as slow as Christmas. Yes the capability has been there for years, but the iPhone is the first to make internet, music, movies all together nearly flawless. Are there kinks on the phone that need to be worked out? Absolutely. I've yet to have a phone where that wasn't the case. But this is the first i can say I'd hold onto for a full 2 year contract. Usually after about a week i'm ready to wh*re my phone out on ebay.

Again this phone isn't near what it will be in a couple months. I fully expect Apple to work on many things, hopefully copy and paste, MMS, and third party apps and to a lesser degree i'd like mp3 (AAC) ringtones.

[aggieman]

true the capability has existed. but not in nearly as pleasureable of an experience as using the iPhone. All the treo's, Q's, and even the Vcast phones i had with Verizon sucked for music and video playback. All in all it was always a rather tedious process. Sound quality was horrible. Picture quality subpar and viewing area miniscule at best. You are right, they do it...but they do not do it well. And the WAP internet sites that take forever to load on them are stripped down pages. And don't even try to load a full html page on a Q or Treo (esp. espn.com or dallasnews.com). It will lock up, reboot, or just operate as slow as Christmas. Yes the capability has been there for years, but the iPhone is the first to make internet, music, movies all together nearly flawless. Are there kinks on the phone that need to be worked out? Absolutely. I've yet to have a phone where that wasn't the case. But this is the first i can say I'd hold onto for a full 2 year contract. Usually after about a week i'm ready to wh*re my phone out on ebay.

Again this phone isn't near what it will be in a couple months. I fully expect Apple to work on many things, hopefully copy and paste, MMS, and third party apps and to a lesser degree i'd like mp3 (AAC) ringtones.

Oh yeah Slingbox. my one big arguement in favor of WM. This is one thing i do sorely miss.

[nyc_rock]

LOL, yeah - there are so many other devices out there that rival the iPhones interface and sleek design.

Exactly my point!!

By the way, Palm just released an update adding A2DP support for the Treo. So I would expect a similar patch from Apple. Of all the Iphones short commings, that one bothered me the most. After all, the Iphone is a state of the art music player.

[aggieman]

This post is so beyond relavent it's almost comical.

You guys are so desperate to bash Apple/iPod/iPhone/Steve Jobs you're whipping out wildly irrelevant nonsense like this.

I find it laughable that you guys are spending so much time here, on an iPhone users forum, trying to convince us the iPhone sucks and that we should still be using our WM5 products... as if we're incapable of deciding for ourselves which device best suits our needs.

But hey, knock yourselves out. I'm always up for a good laugh. :wink:

You apple fanboy! go play with your $600 inferior phone and leave me alone! i'm gonna play with my superior $99 WM device as soon as I can take it off the charger! Then I'm gonna play half a movie till my battery dies on a half @ss screen. that is if my device doesn't freeze up first! Hell i'm not worried about sound quality I'll just be happy if there is no lag in the playback. Oops my battery is dead again! dammit! [/sarcasm]

[aggieman]

Exactly my point!!

By the way, Palm just released an update adding A2DP support for the Treo. So I would expect a similar patch from Apple. Of all the Iphones short commings, that one bothered me the most. After all, the Iphone is a state of the art music player.

Finally a valid point..and no not the sleek part. :) The lack of A2DP support is a major bummer in the iPhone. But like you said, that patch amongst other things is to be expected.

[tharmsen]

Exactly my point!!

By the way, Palm just released an update adding A2DP support for the Treo. So I would expect a similar patch from Apple. Of all the Iphones short commings, that one bothered me the most. After all, the Iphone is a state of the art music player.
I'm sure they left this out on purpose... probably until Apple gets their own bluetooth headset on the market... then they'll update the iPhone.

[nyc_rock]

Oh yeah Slingbox. my one big arguement in favor of WM. This is one thing i do sorely miss.


If apple allows it, i would imagine a slingplayer for you guys down the road. Of course without 3g its a mute point.

[aggieman]

If apple allows it, i would imagine a slingplayer for you guys down the road. Of course without 3g its a mute point.

not necessarily. if you have a wi-fi connection available, such as when i wanna slack at work and watch the ncaa tournament or when i'm at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and wanna watch football and tune them out it would be useful. If no wi-fi connection, agreed sling would be very useless.

[nyc_rock]

I'm sure they left this out on purpose... probably until Apple gets their own bluetooth headset on the market... then they'll update the iPhone.


Apple has been slow on this one. I have been expecting a bt a2dp Ipod for a while now.

[tharmsen]

Oh yeah Slingbox. my one big arguement in favor of WM. This is one thing i do sorely miss.
I never got into the slingbox thing... I did the Tivo to Go thing a little... but it was too tedious to download stuff to my PC and convert it then upload it to the phone. With iTunes it's point and click and a few seconds later I have commercial free high quality video on my iPod/iPhone.

Slingbox is a great concept, but where I would use it most I had horrible Verizon service (on the train). So I didn't even bother. My AT&T service is much better on the train though... I'm surprised. The last time I had AT&T wireless I hated it and the service sucked far more than it does now.

[nyc_rock]

I never got into the slingbox thing... I did the Tivo to Go thing a little... but it was too tedious to download stuff to my PC and convert it then upload it to the phone. With iTunes it's point and click and a few seconds later I have commercial free high quality video on my iPod/iPhone.

Slingbox is a great concept, but where I would use it most I had horrible Verizon service (on the train). So I didn't even bother. My AT&T service is much better on the train though... I'm surprised. The last time I had AT&T wireless I hated it and the service sucked far more than it does now.

Yeah, I take the train to work too and going from tower to tower can be problematic. But I can usually get one simpons episode in before I hit the netherlands where I live.

[lilo]

You apple fanboy! go play with your $600 inferior phone and leave me alone! i'm gonna play with my superior $99 WM device as soon as I can take it off the charger! Then I'm gonna play half a movie till my battery dies on a half @ss screen. that is if my device doesn't freeze up first! Hell i'm not worried about sound quality I'll just be happy if there is no lag in the playback. Oops my battery is dead again! dammit! [/sarcasm]

I do not think your experience with other phones is indicative of the state of the market. You are comparing year(s) old models with iPhone which was releazed two weeks ago. Newer processors are better and iPhone has no monopoly on them (in fact it uses Samsung's processor). iPhone's screen is not produced by Apple either. As far as battery goes, the milage varies on different phones. One things is for sure though, while you can have a spare battery for other phones (and watch as many movies as you want although I would not want to watch anything on a small screen) you can not say the same for iPhone.

Judging by the amount of complaints on this forum regarding iPhone battery life I am not sure your point here is valid at all.

[tharmsen]

Yeah, I take the train to work too and going from tower to tower can be problematic. But I can usually get one simpons episode in before I hit the netherlands where I live.
I would say I do 70% video and 30% audio on my iPod/iPhone. I enjoy kicking back on the train and tuning things out around me for my 1.5 hour ride to work and then 1.5 hour ride home each night. So far iTunes has keeps me going, but I fear I'm burning through shows I have any interest in at a dizzying pace... and God only knows how much money I've spent... :) But they keep the content coming.

I haven't looked if the Simpsons are on iTunes... I don't recall seeing them. I would download those if they were on there though. I'm ona COPS kick right now... LOL Did I just admit that? Thank God Jerry Springer isn't on there... Hehe.

[tharmsen]

One things is for sure though, while you can have a spare battery for other phones (and watch as many movies as you want although I would not want to watch anything on a small screen) you can not say the same for iPhone.
I watch at least 3 hours of video a day on my iPhone and guess what? I still have some 70% power when I'm done. If you need more than 6 hours or more of video a day between charges, then you have a special need. I would much rather have an iPhone that will play video all day long on a single charge than a WM5 device like my Q that dies after 2 hours of video... and yes, you need to keep a pocket full of charged batteries if you're planning on being away from a power source for more than 24 hours.

[aggieman]

I do not think your experience with other phones is indicative of the state of the market. You are comparing year(s) old models with iPhone which was releazed two weeks ago. Newer processors are better and iPhone has no monopoly on them (in fact it uses Samsung's processor). iPhone's screen is not produced by Apple either. As far as battery goes, the milage varies on different phones. One things is for sure though, while you can have a spare battery for other phones (and watch as many movies as you want although I would not want to watch anything on a small screen) you can not say the same for iPhone.

Judging by the amount of complaints on this forum regarding iPhone battery life I am not sure your point here is valid at all.

I don't think any of the previous phones i've had in the past year are "years old technology" My 2 Moto Q's, Treo 700 and 755p are all newer devices. And who wants to lug around a spare battery with them? You shouldn't have to. You shouldn't have to charge it every other hour either. Sure people are complaining about battery life because they have to charge it once a day. Big deal. When you are constantly listening to music, playing video, using a wi-fi connection, talking on the phone, browsing the internet and having your email check every 15 minutes and you still have some battery left when you go to bed at night-that's pretty good. I usually have no less than 30% of my battery left and i charge it. But people will complain because they expect to not charge a phone for 2 or 3 days while still doing all those things.

I'm not saying iPhone is the be all end all of phones. It may or may not be the best out there. I really wanna get my hands on a Sprint Mogul and check it out. But it does what it does better than any other phone right now. I don't think Apple intended this to be a business class phone like the windows mobile devices, so the comparison is apples to oranges and rather pointless really. However i do foresee document editing programs coming in the future once more third party programs are developed. The copy and paste feature, MMS, and A2DP are obvious fixes seeing as they are garnering the most complaints. Apple will not want their customers complaints to fall upon deaf ears. If they expect to sell 10 million of these things they will listen to the users and unlock the full potential of the phone.

[aggieman]

I watch at least 3 hours of video a day on my iPhone and guess what? I still have some 70% power when I'm done. If you need more than 6 hours or more of video a day between charges, then you have a special need. I would much rather have an iPhone that will play video all day long on a single charge than a WM5 device like my Q that dies after 2 hours of video... and yes, you need to keep a pocket full of charged batteries if you're planning on being away from a power source for more than 24 hours.

2 hours?? dang you got more mileage than i did!

[nyc_rock]

I would say I do 70% video and 30% audio on my iPod/iPhone. I enjoy kicking back on the train and tuning things out around me for my 1.5 hour ride to work and then 1.5 hour ride home each night. So far iTunes has keeps me going, but I fear I'm burning through shows I have any interest in at a dizzying pace... and God only knows how much money I've spent... :) But they keep the content coming.

I haven't looked if the Simpsons are on iTunes... I don't recall seeing them. I would download those if they were on there though. I'm ona COPS kick right now... LOL Did I just admit that? Thank God Jerry Springer isn't on there... Hehe.

1.5 hour to and from work? I thought I was the only one doing that. You in New York?

[tharmsen]

1.5 hour to and from work? I thought I was the only one doing that. You in New York?
Chicago... no wonder we butted heads. LOL

[nyc_rock]

I watch at least 3 hours of video a day on my iPhone and guess what? I still have some 70% power when I'm done. If you need more than 6 hours or more of video a day between charges, then you have a special need. I would much rather have an iPhone that will play video all day long on a single charge than a WM5 device like my Q that dies after 2 hours of video... and yes, you need to keep a pocket full of charged batteries if you're planning on being away from a power source for more than 24 hours.


One thing I will conceed is that WM battery life is horrific and that is putting it nicely. I was on a day trip with my boss, he uses the blackberry 8830. At 1 pm I had 20%, he had 70%. These things need better energy management chips or something.

[tharmsen]

2 hours?? dang you got more mileage than i did!
I was being optimistic. To be honest, the audio and video playback was so abysmal on my Q that I tinkered with it the first couple of months and then gave up completely on video... and found myself using TCPMP for audio because Windows Media Player was such a nugget. You're right, maybe an hour or a little more on video.

[aggieman]

hmmm Chicago, NY and Dallas here. Here's hoping we don't get in a football discussion then it could really get bad. I guess that's off topic however!

[nyc_rock]

Chicago... no wonder we butted heads. LOL


Figures. Im glad this isnt a thin crust vs deep dish forum. It could have gotten ugly. :wink:

[tharmsen]

One thing I will conceed is that WM battery life is horrific and that is putting it nicely. I was on a day trip with my boss, he uses the blackberry 8830. At 1 pm I had 20%, he had 70%. These things need better energy management chips or something.
Yeah, with the extended battery my 7250 Blackberry would run for days! I can't believe the iPhone does so well with so many more multimedia features and it sill has the same battery life as my BB with the extended battery.

I don't know what Apple did, but they got the power consumption right on the iPhone, which is a HUGE issue for me.

[tharmsen]

Figures. Im glad this isnt a thin crust vs deep dish forum. It could have gotten ugly. :wink:
Oh dude, you fold your pizza too? I wish we had alert buttons on these forums, I would be alerting all over you right about now. :wink:

[nyc_rock]

hmmm Chicago, NY and Dallas here. Here's hoping we don't get in a football discussion then it could really get bad. I guess that's off topic however!

You would find an ally here. Cowboys fan since 77.

[nyc_rock]

Yeah, with the extended battery my 7250 Blackberry would run for days! I can't believe the iPhone does so well with so many more multimedia features and it sill has the same battery life as my BB with the extended battery.

I don't know what Apple did, but they got the power consumption right on the iPhone, which is a HUGE issue for me.


Well here the lack of 3g works in your favor. Im on exhange with push and my device is constantly syncing with our servers. For some reason apple is dead against removable batteries, I think they left the 3g out for this reason.

[aggieman]

Yeah, with the extended battery my 7250 Blackberry would run for days! I can't believe the iPhone does so well with so many more multimedia features and it sill has the same battery life as my BB with the extended battery.

I don't know what Apple did, but they got the power consumption right on the iPhone, which is a HUGE issue for me.

one thing i wonder is...what is the shelf life really going to be for these batteries. I've never had to replace a battery before on a phone. I'm hoping it will make it through upgrade date at least. My iPhone is getting so much use that's kind of worrying me. I'm dreading having to send my phone in and be without it for any period of time-the $79 fee really doesn't bother me in the slightest. But i have no landline so that is gonna be an issue for me.

[nyc_rock]

Oh dude, you fold your pizza too? I wish we had alert buttons on these forums, I would be alerting all over you right about now. :wink:

If you cant eat it while your walking you just aint enjoying life!!

[aggieman]

If you cant eat it while your walking you just aint enjoying life!!

I'm from the South, I like deep dish pizza, slap on some mashed potatoes and roll it up like a burrito. If you can't eat mashed potatoes with it it ain't worth eatin.

[nyc_rock]

I'm from the South, I like deep dish pizza, slap on some mashed potatoes and roll it up like a burrito. If you can't eat mashed potatoes with it it ain't worth eatin.

deep dish pizza mash potato burrito huh? Sounds interesting.

[aggieman]

deep dish pizza mash potato burrito huh? Sounds interesting.

one of my many drunken gourmet concoctions

[tharmsen]

one thing i wonder is...what is the shelf life really going to be for these batteries. I've never had to replace a battery before on a phone. I'm hoping it will make it through upgrade date at least. My iPhone is getting so much use that's kind of worrying me. I'm dreading having to send my phone in and be without it for any period of time-the $79 fee really doesn't bother me in the slightest. But i have no landline so that is gonna be an issue for me.
Seriously, being an iPod user who has used a 5G for years (every day), I have all the confidence in the world these batteries will last the lifetime of the phone (3 years or so). I've ran my iPod completely dead, left it on the charger for days on end, recharged it with partial charges...everything people say will nukes a battery and the battery life is just as good today as it was the day I bought it.

I wouldn't give it a second thought.

[tharmsen]

one of my many drunken gourmet concoctions
Being from Kansas I can't resist deep fried foods and odd things like cold Mac and Cheese with ketchup. Hehe. It's no wonder I have to live in the gym to keep from becoming a Buddha Belly.

[lilo]

I don't think any of the previous phones i've had in the past year are "years old technology" My 2 Moto Q's, Treo 700 and 755p are all newer devices.

These phones werereleased:

Moto Q - April 2006
Treo 700w - January 2006
Treo 755p - March 2007

So most of them are more than a year older than iPhone :smile: and year is a huge time in this business just compare these phones with what Apple had a year ago :wink:

[nyc_rock]

These phones werereleased:

Moto Q - April 2006
Treo 700w - January 2006
Treo 755p - March 2007

So most of them are more than a year older than iPhone :smile: and year is a huge time in this business just compare these phones with what Apple had a year ago :wink:


The new WM6 devices coming out are not a quantum leap forward though. They are basically the exact same thing plus a few tweeks.

[tadrewcook]

I'm with you man. I love my Zune. and I really love my iPhone. If the iPhone was 30 GB and had a radio tuner or could at least stream radio from the web, maybe I'd lose the Zune. And the Zune isn't that big. I don't understand everyone's obsession with smaller and smaller. I can fit the zune in my pocket just fine.

Just for the record. I'm not a apple or ms fanboy. i own a mac, vista pc, ipod nano, iPhone, and Zune. I just really love my toys and they all offer something different in one way or another.

Word, my brother. Word.

Believe it or not, every time I carry my Zune around and pull it out to show someone, I always get a great reaction out of it.

And now that the iPhone is out, I can pull out 2 cool contraptions and get wows. *Ego boost*

Now if the Zune software was mac compatible, everything'd be swell.

[tadrewcook]

Being from Kansas I can't resist deep fried foods and odd things like cold Mac and Cheese with ketchup. Hehe. It's no wonder I have to live in the gym to keep from becoming a Buddha Belly.

Where in Kansas? I lived in Wichita for about 10 years.

[ColsTiger]

How about this for an add ...

Hello, I'm a zune (looking like a dork, and jamming out to his Zune), and I'm an iPhone.

Nice, what all can you do on that Zune ...

As he is talking about useless things, the cell phone in his pocket rings. He then fumbles around trying to get it out of his pocket, and eventually drops the Zune and his cell phone, ruining both of them.

The Apple guy then gets a call and starts talking just be clicking on his headphone switch.

I think it would make for a very compelling ad.

I could see an iPhone vs. Blackberry ad happening sometime in the future.

[tharmsen]

Where in Kansas? I lived in Wichita for about 10 years.
Lawrence... a few hundred miles from ya. :)

[tadrewcook]

Lawrence... a few hundred miles from ya. :)

Slightly off topic, but Lawrence is fun. Saw 2 Skinnee J's there at the Bottleneck back in 03. They're the ones in my Zune/Iphone avatar :)

[Mactech]

Time to deflate the ego of the RIM jobs and Windoze Mobile users out there.

Your OS on your smartphone sucks!

Here is a small taste of what can and will happen to Windows Mobile users.

Windowze PC and mobile fanboys listen up, 400% + and growing percentile of viri, malware and such, not to mention everytime a win mobile user enters their password (clear txt) I think who can be hacking or watching their system now?

This can happen in mere moments, but not on OS X or the iphone.

Just puts a grin on my face. :laugh2:

malformed MMS message to achieve arbitrary code execution on a Windows Mobile device, simply by having a user view the message.

This is obviously of great concern; Windows Mobile devices are becoming more and more prevalent and the substantial challenges with patching continue to exist. No corporation’s information Technology department should allow these devises through a secure VPN tunnel and the passwords can easily be compromised.

[tadrewcook]

Time to deflate the ego of the RIM jobs and Windoze Mobile users out there.

Your OS on your smartphone sucks!

Here is a small taste of what can and will happen to Windows Mobile users.

Windowze PC and mobile fanboys listen up, 400% + and growing percentile of viri, malware and such, not to mention everytime a win mobile user enters their password (clear txt) I think who can be hacking or watching their system now?

This can happen in mere moments, but not on OS X or the iphone.

Just puts a grin on my face. :laugh2:

malformed MMS message to achieve arbitrary code execution on a Windows Mobile device, simply by having a user view the message.

This is obviously of great concern; Windows Mobile devices are becoming more and more prevalent and the substantial challenges with patching continue to exist. No corporation’s information Technology department should allow these devises through a secure VPN tunnel and the passwords can easily be compromised.

This is why I own a mac!
Now if MS would just make Zune compatible.

[lilo]

The new WM6 devices coming out are not a quantum leap forward though. They are basically the exact same thing plus a few tweeks.

HTC Omni (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=790) - nice design, 800x480 resolution

Sharp EM-ONE S01SH ( http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=725), 800x480, 4.1" screen, 520 MHz

I-Mate Ultimate 7150 (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=721) 640x480, 3.8", 520 MHz