AT&T Navigator turn-by-turn nav now in App Store

[macgirl]

Unfortunately, it's like Gokivo and requires a $9.99/month charge that will appear on your AT&T bill. You can find it here (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=315659984&mt=8).

I really hope TomTom and Navigon don't make their turn-by-turn apps like this and just charge a flat fee instead, even if it's $100. I don't want a subscription and I won't mind paying for a map upgrade as long as I get to do it when and if I want to.

[termleech]

<sarcasm>Gee it's quite shocking to me that Apple let AT&T be the first in the US to have turn by turn in the app store.</sarcasm> Who wants to be they do something like make TomTom and Navigon only work over Wifi or something stupid like that :)

[termleech]

It does include regular map updates and live traffic though. I'd be willing to bet that in order to get those on TomTom or Navigon you'll pay some kind of subscription fee.

[JoeT]

IME (and things may be different here), the one-time fee software companies usually charge a hefty fee for their yearly map updates (which are stored on the device and thus don't need Internet) while the subscription model gets maps from the Internet but it's all included in the price.

TomTom under PalmOS and WM were sold as a one time purchase with a Bluetooth GPS for $250, map updates were $99 IIRC. Celebrity voices were extra (and if they have the Ozzy voice, that alone is worth going TomTom - it is hilarious!).

[dcom]

I'm confused about the various turn-by-turn apps that are starting to show up, particularly the ones that charge a monthly fee. Apart from keeping up with where you are and announcing the next turn as you navigate a course, what else sets them apart from the current direction list that the Maps app produces and what is the justification for a monthly fee?

[termleech]

Yea, I agree with that. When I saw constant updates and traffic the monthly subscription suddenly because something more I could stomach. However I was hoping more for like $5/month not $10/month. But I'm thinking about giving it a whirl for a month to see how I like it.

[termleech]

I'm confused about the various turn-by-turn apps that are starting to show up, particularly the ones that charge a monthly fee. Apart from keeping up with where you are and announcing the next turn as you navigate a course, what else sets them apart from the current direction list that the Maps app produces and what is the justification for a monthly fee?

Keeping up with where you are and announcing the next turn is pretty much what sets them apart. Live traffic reports are probably going to be better on monthly subscription ones that offer it but it's hard to say. The traffic in google maps from what I've seen is usually based on average traffic flows and doesn't report real time events (which is seems like the AT&T nagivator does). For someone who travels in a city or long distances this can be a huge help in getting someone in a decent time frame (495 and 66 near DC can be a PITA).

[nyc_rock]

Tomtom products have traditionally been not over the air. You download maps and use them independent of the network. I am hoping that is going to be the case. I would expect a retail of 125-150 bucks for the maps and software. You would then purchase new maps as they become available.

I dont like turn by turn done OTA. If you dont have a good signal it can become a problem. When the maps are on your device you dont have to worry about that.

[dcom]

Ok, that helps to clear things up. I would probably get one of those apps if it were maybe a one-time cost of a normal app, like $9.99 but I can't see paying a monthly fee for traffic updates. I usually carry a Garmin 60CSx with me when I'm on vacation or going somewhere I've never been so any GPS app on the phone, apart from Maps is not a must-have.

[termleech]

I just took the plunge and downloading the app to give it a whirl for a month. Tomorrow afternoon I'll be making my normal travel from MD to VA through all the fun roads in DC and VA so I'm going to really give it a run for it's money and how traffic on it really works. I also run through a deadspot on the trip so I'll see how it works going through the dead spot. I'll report back and let everyone know how it worked for me.

[swampduck]

It does include regular map updates and live traffic though. I'd be willing to bet that in order to get those on TomTom or Navigon you'll pay some kind of subscription fee.

I have had the ATT Navigator on my BB and I have to tell you the real time traffic updates only worked if you checked manually. You had to do check traffic along route. It never worked any other way for me. But I did like the feature.

[trnsilver]

ZERO chance I am giving AT&T $9.99 a month...or anyone for that matter...for a turn-by-turn app. As I've stated previously, after a year it makes sense to just buy the GPS unit.

[Diablo25]

I'll be waiting for Tom Tom's release. I am not a fan of the $9.99 subscription at all. Hopefully Tom Tom is a one time fee.

[lido]

i bought a month subscription as well, and then found yellowpages, which has free turn by turn. oh well. and be careful about gokivo-i'm not trashing them-that would be premature.....i have been charged for the 9.99 but when i tap "GO" for directions it still takes me to the monthly charge page. may need their cs....

[termleech]

Yellowpages free turn by turn? Where do you see that app?

[wildonrio]

ZERO chance I am giving AT&T $9.99 a month...or anyone for that matter...for a turn-by-turn app. As I've stated previously, after a year it makes sense to just buy the GPS unit.

I'll be waiting for Tom Tom's release. I am not a fan of the $9.99 subscription at all. Hopefully Tom Tom is a one time fee.

Everyone has to remember that these GPS companies have people constantly running around the nation updating the maps as new businesses open/close, new highways are built, exit numbers change, street names change, etc. They have to pay these people for their work. They typically offer two ways for them to be compensated:

1. Charge each customer a monthly fee which will in turn keep the maps up to date.
2. Offer a large yearly upgrade fee to each customer, which will update the maps for them.

TomTom will either take option 1 or 2. It sounds like everyone wants option 2, which has it's pluses and minuses. It's nice that it's an option as to whether you want to update your maps or not, but having to wait a whole year for an upgrade each time could be dangerous. What if a highway closes and you're led to a dead end and have to backtrack for hours on your trip? What if an exit number has changed in the past year and you take the wrong one?

Paying monthly fees guarantees this will never happen to you. I personally want the monthly fees.

[lido]

I'm sorry, but when I went to the app to check on that, I realized when I selected my search result it would take me to the google maps app which apparently has turn by turn. I don't think I paid attention, so I'm sorry for the misrepresentation.

[trnsilver]

The point is that there is no reason to pay a subscription for something that you can make a one-time payment on. Like I can bu ya Tom Tom somewhere for $140, which is only 14 months of service...but I could use it for let's say 4 years. So it makes no sense to pay the $9.99 per month...

And $9.99 is a lot. If they can get 1M people paying that per month without having to buy the hardware, that is basically pure profit because those same people are doing the work for them anyway. So then that is $10M per month and $120M per year.

My point? They priced me out at that price point.

[wildonrio]

The point is that there is no reason to pay a subscription for something that you can make a one-time payment on. Like I can bu ya Tom Tom somewhere for $140, which is only 14 months of service...but I could use it for let's say 4 years. So it makes no sense to pay the $9.99 per month...

And $9.99 is a lot. If they can get 1M people paying that per month without having to buy the hardware, that is basically pure profit because those same people are doing the work for them anyway. So then that is $10M per month and $120M per year.

My point? They priced me out at that price point.
Right, it IS nice to have the option as to whether you want to upgrade or not. But 4 years? I promise you will start to get confused in your directions. Believe me, I have a Garmin and one year I decided to save the money and not update the maps. I definitely got routed to some strange non-existing locations a few times and it was frustrating. A map update would have fixed that. If you are planning on updating every four years, then you might as well not even use the GPS software as it will just throw you off have the time.

[azsprty]

i just downloaded the AT&T app and will give it a try. If I dont like it, no biggie I cancel

[azsprty]

ok...another question. If the wife and I have it on each phone, were paying 9.99 per phone?

[hitnrun]

Everyone has to remember that these GPS companies have people constantly running around the nation updating the maps as new businesses open/close, new highways are built, exit numbers change, street names change, etc. They have to pay these people for their work. They typically offer two ways for them to be compensated:

1. Charge each customer a monthly fee which will in turn keep the maps up to date.
2. Offer a large yearly upgrade fee to each customer, which will update the maps for them.

TomTom will either take option 1 or 2. It sounds like everyone wants option 2, which has it's pluses and minuses. It's nice that it's an option as to whether you want to update your maps or not, but having to wait a whole year for an upgrade each time could be dangerous. What if a highway closes and you're led to a dead end and have to backtrack for hours on your trip? What if an exit number has changed in the past year and you take the wrong one?

Paying monthly fees guarantees this will never happen to you. I personally want the monthly fees.

That's a great breakdown, but how often do highways and roads turn into dead ends? As long as I can see where I need to turn on the map, why do I need to know the exit number? For a mostly casual user, I will take the chance that one out of millions of miles of roadway may be altered. I can deal with it at the time. If I were to use GPSNav everyday, then that might be different.

[nyc_rock]

ok...another question. If the wife and I have it on each phone, were paying 9.99 per phone?


That would be correct.

[trnsilver]

The only time I'll consider one of these services is if I am taking a trip somewhere that I actually need turn-by-turn. Otherwise, the Google Maps with GPS following works well enough.

[psylichon]

I am horrible with directions. But not $10/month horrible. Google Maps with the compass will do me just fine...

[macgirl]

I may be old school, but I'm fine with buying a navigation application in one big chunk without a monthly subscription to get frequent map updates. Why? Because up until I had GPS, I had paper maps. We didn't buy new paper maps every month. In fact, I still have paper maps that are 10 or more years old. In fact, my dad has this map set of the entire country from Readers Digest or something purchased in the 80's that he still uses. And you know what? They still work.

GPS is helpful and I like using it since it helps take off some of the stress of driving in a new area sometimes, but if I can't figure out a detour on my own because a street has been renamed or closed off, then I shouldn't be on the road at all.

[azsprty]

I just tried it out and it works pretty good. You can change the directions to fastest, shortest etc. It will automatically check for traffic for you. I will try it a few more weeks but probably cancel as im looking for one bulk payment

[wildonrio]

That's a great breakdown, but how often do highways and roads turn into dead ends? As long as I can see where I need to turn on the map, why do I need to know the exit number? For a mostly casual user, I will take the chance that one out of millions of miles of roadway may be altered. I can deal with it at the time. If I were to use GPSNav everyday, then that might be different.
Haha true, highways don't dead end too often but you know what I mean. Also, remember that iTunes has no refund policy. So if you buy TomTom and hate it, that's it, it's yours and you better learn to like it. At least with the monthly payments ones you are free to bail if you don't like the service.

Also, I read some reviews and people are saying that the app DOESN'T download the maps locally!!!! That's a huge deal for me, the whole point of having this is so I don't need internet service. Can anyone confirm that it doesn't download the maps locally?

[hitnrun]

Haha true, highways don't dead end too often but you know what I mean. Also, remember that iTunes has no refund policy. So if you buy TomTom and hate it, that's it, it's yours and you better learn to like it. At least with the monthly payments ones you are free to bail if you don't like the service.

Also, I read some reviews and people are saying that the app DOESN'T download the maps locally!!!! That's a huge deal for me, the whole point of having this is so I don't need internet service. Can anyone confirm that it doesn't download the maps locally?


Agreed, that's why I'll let some of these suckers try it out for awhile and post there reviews!:tounge:

[Kaptain]

The point is that there is no reason to pay a subscription for something that you can make a one-time payment on. Like I can bu ya Tom Tom somewhere for $140, which is only 14 months of service...but I could use it for let's say 4 years. So it makes no sense to pay the $9.99 per month...

And $9.99 is a lot. If they can get 1M people paying that per month without having to buy the hardware, that is basically pure profit because those same people are doing the work for them anyway. So then that is $10M per month and $120M per year.

My point? They priced me out at that price point.

I gotta agree with you - AT$T can forget about most of us putting out another 10 bucks a month on an already ludicrous phone bill.

How about working to lower the $30 data plan instead... I hate AT$T

[mdb4403]

I went ahead and signed up for a month (you have to manually call AT&T to cancel by the way or you are automatically renewed). I have OS 3.0 and am using the 3g not the 3gs. I wanted to see if a GPS service could work with the old 3g since when I use google maps my location bounces around so much it makes me wonder whether the GPS is accurate enough for a true GPS service. In any event. the program has a nice user interface. The only downside is that it does not connect into your contacts. You have to manually put in the address of any contact to which you want to travel. Has the standard search of POI's near you or near a city you choose. I just drove it around locally here in Columbus and it works fine. Much better than google maps when tracking. Always kept me in the middle of the road I was on in terms of location. It lags about 20ft from your actual location. You will pass a street when driving and then about 4 seconds later you will pass it on the GPS. This has happended to me on stand alone units too. Recalucations for going off route are quick as quick as my Megellan. Voice prompts are good and distance to turn is pretty accurate. It is certainly usable even as a primary GPS.

It drains the battery like a druken sailor hitten the bottle. I don't believe it downloads local maps but instead feeds the data OTA. As a result you have the screen on, 3g on and transmitting/receiving and the GPS on. You definately need a car adaptor unless you are just going around the block.

I still intend to cancel it once a stand alone version is put in the store. It seems that this would be substantially less harsh on the battery and you don't have to worry about areas of lost coverage. In the interim its good. Im going on a trip tommorow out of the city and I will try it. If there are any problems I will let you know.

[termleech]

Yea, based on the size of the app it definitely doesn't download the maps locally. I'm guessing AT&T does this so when you stop paying for the service they can stop you from using it and not have you downloaded maps already. Kind of crappy but that's how it works.

I'm still pulling for the TomTom with all the maps preloaded so it doesn't suck down the battery like a drunken sailor. But until that app is live I'll use the Navigator.

On the AT&T navigator site they have a free month listed all over the place. I'm going to call AT&T and see if they'll give me a free month on the iPhone since they do for all other phones.

[wildonrio]

On the AT&T navigator site they have a free month listed all over the place. I'm going to call AT&T and see if they'll give me a free month on the iPhone since they do for all other phones.
Good point, let us know if you get any success with the free month!

[iMerlin]

Ok, that helps to clear things up. I would probably get one of those apps if it were maybe a one-time cost of a normal app, like $9.99 but I can't see paying a monthly fee for traffic updates. I usually carry a Garmin 60CSx with me when I'm on vacation or going somewhere I've never been so any GPS app on the phone, apart from Maps is not a must-have.

I think this goes well beyond having a GPS unit "with" you. They are trying to market this to replace automotive GPS units as well. I think this also goes well beyond the map we already get. We are talking about 3D directions, street level type of maps that say "Turn right in 100 feet" and so on. Much more robust than the stock app.
The stock map app requires you to press the "next" arrow to get your next turn as opposed to this app that tells you ahead of time. Also, if you make a wrong turn, its a PITA to get the reroute directions with the current setup, you have to relocate yourself and remap to your destination. These apps will automatically reroute you.
Worth 9 bucks a month, not sure about that.

[iMerlin]

I went ahead and signed up for a month (you have to manually call AT&T to cancel by the way or you are automatically renewed). I have OS 3.0 and am using the 3g not the 3gs. I wanted to see if a GPS service could work with the old 3g since when I use google maps my location bounces around so much it makes me wonder whether the GPS is accurate enough for a true GPS service. In any event. the program has a nice user interface. The only downside is that it does not connect into your contacts. You have to manually put in the address of any contact to which you want to travel. Has the standard search of POI's near you or near a city you choose. I just drove it around locally here in Columbus and it works fine. Much better than google maps when tracking. Always kept me in the middle of the road I was on in terms of location. It lags about 20ft from your actual location. You will pass a street when driving and then about 4 seconds later you will pass it on the GPS. This has happended to me on stand alone units too. Recalucations for going off route are quick as quick as my Megellan. Voice prompts are good and distance to turn is pretty accurate. It is certainly usable even as a primary GPS.

It drains the battery like a druken sailor hitten the bottle. I don't believe it downloads local maps but instead feeds the data OTA. As a result you have the screen on, 3g on and transmitting/receiving and the GPS on. You definately need a car adaptor unless you are just going around the block.

I still intend to cancel it once a stand alone version is put in the store. It seems that this would be substantially less harsh on the battery and you don't have to worry about areas of lost coverage. In the interim its good. Im going on a trip tommorow out of the city and I will try it. If there are any problems I will let you know.


Hey MBD, can you listen to the iPod while using this app? I always have my iPod on in the car and was wondering how the voice prompts interact with the iPod.

[psylichon]

Also, if you make a wrong turn, its a PITA to get the reroute directions with the current setup, you have to relocate yourself and remap to your destination.

I agree the stock app could stand some improvments, but I don't find rerouting to be that big of an issue. If you have GPS on and are looking at directions, you just have to hit "edit" then "route"; current location is the default starting point.

I'd more like to edit the route manually on the phone like you can on the full blown web version.

[iMerlin]

I agree the stock app could stand some improvments, but I don't find rerouting to be that big of an issue. If you have GPS on and are looking at directions, you just have to hit "edit" then "route"; current location is the default starting point.

I'd more like to edit the route manually on the phone like you can on the full blown web version.

Wow, I was making that process much harder than it needed to be! LOL

[swampduck]

I have also downloaded the app, 3G + 3.0
The first thing I noticed is that it asked to use your location, so yes it d/l OTA. It still has the standard type or call in your destination. It searches and locates almost as fast as my Garmin Nuvi 600. I didn't notice any out of the ordinary lag while updating street names. I intentionally went off course to see if the re-route worked. As soon as I left the route it started re-routing...I did this a couple of times, and each time it said to do a U turn, than re-routed. The re-route was somewhat confused, especially when the turns were close together, it would tell me to go left, than right..the second command was the correct one both times. Battery drain is not something I noticed since I always connect my Iphone up to the charger in the car. The backlight can be set to never go off, and it won't, as long as you are connected to power. The biggest thing that makes me a fan of this is that I can still listen to my ipod and when there is a command it pauses the music announces and goes back to the music. If only Apple let third party apps run in background, than Pandora and Sirius could continue to play while navigating. In short, I like this app, even better now than when I used it on the BB. for 9.99 a month, I feel that it is still a good deal..I paid 230 for my Garmin brand new, and it is telling me that I need to update my maps. at $120 year for ATT nav, it would take me two years before the price of my Garmin would be exceeded. I can give that to my wife now.

[wildonrio]

I can give that to my wife now.

There was a hilarious thread a while back all about women in uproar of always getting second-hand technology from their boyfriends/husbands. I tried searching around for it but I couldn't find it. If anyone remembers that thread and can find it, post here for swampduck :).

And I rest my case with this at&t navigator app: if it doesn't download the maps locally, I'm NOT getting it. The last thing you want is to be on a trip on the highway, lose Internet service, and have everything on your screen disappear and leave you alone in the dessert praying you still have your paper maps in the glove box.

[mdb4403]

Imerlin -i think an earlier post answered your question about the ipod. I havent tried it although i give it a whirl tomorrow on my trip. Let me give this additional piece of info. When I was driving around with the GPS i received a call. When that happens the GPS screen is replaced with the incoming call screen where you have the option to answer or not. I happened to answer it (my wife- had to - damit). When I hung up it took me back to the GPS app but the APP had been closed and therefore was in the process of reopening (which it did automatically after I hung up). It then gives you a notification box asking you if you want to continue on your route. It had to reaquire my location at that point. Interesting. THis is where multitaking on the Pre leaves the Iphone in the dust. Also, the sprint plan includes naviation for free. In essence the sprinte plan is close to 30.00 a month cheaper if you count texting and gps. That sucks.

[NNGglobal]

Hi everyone,
iGO My way navigation solution for iPhone coming soon!
First demo here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NNGglobal

And we can already tell you, no hidden charges or mothly fees after purchase :)

[aknightstale41]

Looks interesting NNGlobal, couple of quick questions, how much for this app, and are maps downloaded to the iphone?
Thanks

[NNGglobal]

Download will include maps, 3D terrain and landmarks.
No price yet, sorry :wink:

[iMerlin]

Imerlin -i think an earlier post answered your question about the ipod. I havent tried it although i give it a whirl tomorrow on my trip. Let me give this additional piece of info. When I was driving around with the GPS i received a call. When that happens the GPS screen is replaced with the incoming call screen where you have the option to answer or not. I happened to answer it (my wife- had to - damit). When I hung up it took me back to the GPS app but the APP had been closed and therefore was in the process of reopening (which it did automatically after I hung up). It then gives you a notification box asking you if you want to continue on your route. It had to reaquire my location at that point. Interesting. THis is where multitaking on the Pre leaves the Iphone in the dust. Also, the sprint plan includes naviation for free. In essence the sprinte plan is close to 30.00 a month cheaper if you count texting and gps. That sucks.

I just noticed the post about the iPod, thanks. But Ive seen conflicting reports, someone said is doesnt work over at Macrumors and here Ive seen it does work. I couldnt imagine it not working since the iPod is one of the things the iPhone CAN run in the background.

Im also wondering, is this per line or per account? If my wife and I DL it, are we paying 20 bucks a month now? That isnt worth it IMO.

[termleech]

Download will include maps, 3D terrain and landmarks.
No price yet, sorry :wink:

Oooo, call me interested as well. Will you be announcing the release here on the forums so we can all partake? Only question is will it have POI searches so I could search for something say coffee shop near me? Not a big deal if it doesn't just curious.

Also will you be releasing updates to the maps that presumably you will charge for?

[iNinja]

Im interested in that app too... will it be available for the uk? Any more info would be great

[trnsilver]

Looks like the company is in Hungary. US support as well? Aside from the one-time fee, will there be free and/or charged updates?

[NNGglobal]

Sure, you’ll be the first to know when iGO My way is on AppStore :laugh2:
POI searches – no problem!

iGO My way soon available in the UK, Italy, France, Norway...basically all over Europe.

Indeed, greetings from Budapest :2cool: Sure, we’ll look after you in the US!

[iNinja]

Sure, you’ll be the first to know when iGO My way is on AppStore :laugh2:
POI searches – no problem!

iGO My way soon available in the UK, Italy, France, Norway...basically all over Europe.

Indeed, greetings from Budapest :2cool: Sure, we’ll look after you in the US!

Im actually quite excited about this app - keep us updated! ;)

[trnsilver]

I am too, as long as it doesn't fleece us and works well.

Go Blues!!!

[termleech]

Yea, I can't wait to dump AT&T Navigator. The program is awful. I just used it today for GPS (not turn by turn yet). I turned on the maps and let it follow me while I was driving. The 2D is pretty accurate, you stay pretty well on course, however the 3D is way off the road. Also, you have to click the button in the lower left to have it auto follow you while you are driving but you don't know whether it's clicked or not, it doesn't seem to have a depressed state. When you lose internet connection it has a annoying popup that say "lost connection to server" and makes you hit the retry button. However once it reconnects you have to click the button to have it autofollow you again. Quite annoying.

It also sucks battery some kind of fierce. On my 15 minute trip home it used about 9% of the battery.

[DavidT]

will the upcoming TOMTOM be stand alone (iphone only) or will it work with a TOMTOM unit as well? does anyone have a list of the features the iphone TOMTOM will have?

[Get_Zwole]

I'm confused about the various turn-by-turn apps that are starting to show up, particularly the ones that charge a monthly fee. Apart from keeping up with where you are and announcing the next turn as you navigate a course, what else sets them apart from the current direction list that the Maps app produces and what is the justification for a monthly fee?
thats what im thinkin man i dont think im gonna get any of them, i can just look at my phone and see which way i need to go i dont need ozzy to tell me to turn right in 100 feet.

[azsprty]

Well the whole point on voice activated turn by turn is so you DONT Have to look at your map...maybe look at the road instead :wink:

[gibby71]

just got a response from G-Map folks as to when they will be updating with turn by turn voice prompt:

Dear. customer,
Hello.
New G-map V.1.3.1. is going to release in next week or beginning of July.
It is in submission now and voice prompts, TBT, and other new features will be available in v.1.3.1.
You can upgrade your app to v.1.3.1 when submission is over in next week.
Thank you and please e-mail us if you have any more questions.
Best regards,

[iMerlin]

I dont understand why people will read through 5 pages of details about a GPS app only to reply and say you dont need or want GPS. Thats the whole point. This app is for people who want or need GPS, simple as that. Be it on the iPhone or in a stand alone unit. Its just nice to be able to have it all in one device.

[coop1701]

just got a response from G-Map folks as to when they will be updating with turn by turn voice prompt:

Dear. customer,
Hello.
New G-map V.1.3.1. is going to release in next week or beginning of July.
It is in submission now and voice prompts, TBT, and other new features will be available in v.1.3.1.
You can upgrade your app to v.1.3.1 when submission is over in next week.
Thank you and please e-mail us if you have any more questions.
Best regards,

I love my G-Map... Glad to see there are updating. I was hoping they would be one of the first to do it.

[Get_Zwole]

i would like to have it as a one time price but im not tacking on another 9.99 for gps. One year and you could have bought a garmin if you add the price up.

[DavidT]

i would like to have it as a one time price but im not tacking on another 9.99 for gps. One year and you could have bought a garmin if you add the price up.

The price of the application as well as the price monthly is not the real issue. The issue is what do you get in the application, a complete list of features, as well as what do you get for the monthly charge, for example how good is the trafic update and how often does traffic update.

[jimmydee]

From what I can see this is the same program that I had on my Motorola V9 from AT&T. Same price of $9.99 a month. It did the job and when it found traffic problems it asked if you wanted to reroute or not. I had to use my bluetooth earpiece to hear because speaker on phone wasn't loud enough to hear with music and other things going on. Gave good directions but without some type of holder had to lay on seat. Also sucks lot of power from battery so always had my phone on car charger otherwise would drain down in about 3 or 4 hours. I drive all day on the roads in Dallas so I have to have something to guide me around town. I found because of the drawbacks listed above it was easier to use my Garmin GPS then my phone but with the Tom Tom app you will have a windshield mount that will be visible which believe me is important and a charger also. So I think I have to pass on AT&T nav. app and wait for Tom Tom to come out.

[gibby71]

G-Map East update is out (not sure if the others are updated as well I only have east). Turn by turn now works. You do download the full map to your phone so a Cell or Wifi signal is not needed when driving. I took it for a test run this morning to route me to work and it worked well.

[mdb4403]

Mobile maps has also come out with a standalone gps for all of north America. I have no experience with this so I have no recommendation. I have been using AT&T navigator which actually works quite well although it is expensive

[jimmydee]

There is also another one that has come out and that is by Sygic. It is turn by turn navigation as well as portrait or landscape mode, several other features can check out on App Store. One time fee of $80.00 dollars with no additional fees this is the kind of GPS program I go for, but everyone has to make there own choices.

[termleech]

Has anyone tried the MobileMaps one yet? I'm waiting for some reviews on it before I put out $80 and find out it stinks. The one killer feature I need is to be able to listen to my iPod while doing the turn by turn and have the TBT turn down the iPod, give me the directions then turn it back up.