Will Pre manhandle Iphone

[mdb4403]

I've been watching Precental.net for news on the Pre. I have to say it looks pretty impressive. Nice interface, powerful processor, multitasking, battery life better or comparable to the Iphone, new apps being prepeared daily etc. The first hand accounts of people who have actually had real time with the pre are emphatically positive. Consensus is that is blows the Iphone away. Could this be the end of Iphone's world domination.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Unlikely..

[Phxblue]

Competition is good. We all know Apple doesn't like playing runner up.

[styfle]

Lets see it organize music and hold up to 32GB...
I think people are forgetting the point of the iphone: to merge an ipod with a phone. It just happens to be the best phone as well :)
I can't ever see another company doing it better.

[iphun]

I've been watching Precental.net for news on the Pre. I have to say it looks pretty impressive. Nice interface, powerful processor, multitasking, battery life better or comparable to the Iphone, new apps being prepeared daily etc. The first hand accounts of people who have actually had real time with the pre are emphatically positive. Consensus is that is blows the Iphone away. Could this be the end of Iphone's world domination.

I doubt it will blow the iphone away, it has yet to be released and we don't really know anything about battery or if multitasking will make smoothness and battery suffer. The iphone has such a large customer base of people who love their phone and will never like the pre. Plus this summer apple will be releasing a new iphone which will most likely take a step ahead of the Pre, so we will see. Although I think the Pre will give apple some competition and keep them on their toes, but apple will probably come out in the end. Just my 2 cents.

Oh I forgot some stuff - iTunes syncing, OPTIONS in space and color and the Pre ONLY offers 8GB with no option to expand space, the iphone will most likely have the options of 16GB and 32GB, apple has money to blow, palm doesn't, sprint isn't doing the best right now, and so many other reasons.

[mdb4403]

I don't disagree with you although by all accounts the operating system works as advertised, no crashes, smooth multitasking with up to ten windows open. Sounds pretty good. I have a 3g and am very happy with it. I solved the battery issues (Mophie Air- great by the way) and agree its a superior product. Now if I could just multitask one other non-native app (streaming music) I would be a happy camper. As it stands now, the wife may be getting the iphone and her husband the pre.

[aggieman]

there are alot of nice things the Pre has going for it. Honestly, I don't think there is a phone or company out there that can have much of an impact on Apple's success with the iPhone.

I for one will be getting the Pre. I'm very intrigued by the interface, the "Synergy" concept, the web browser, keyboard, multitasking. I won't be giving up my iPhone, I'll simply be adding a plan with Sprint and having a little fun with the Pre.

It has alot of potential and in my mind is the first true alternative to the iPhone. The music player appears to be well implemented and it has amazon mp3 store(so does android). One of the more attractive aspects of the Pre to me is it is kind of a crossover between the Blackberry and iPhone for me. I love my Blackberry and my iPhone. It appears that the Pre has brought in some of the social connectivity features of the BlackBerry while implementing the browsing/media prowess of the iPhone. Without trying this phone it sounds like all I've ever wanted in a device other than it is CDMA and not GSM. Still, alluring enough for me to try it out.

And to those worried about multitasking and the strain it will put on the device and battery....Every BlackBerry or Nokia N series device I've had have done this just fine with = or greater battery life than the iPhone. The multitasking or lack of is my biggest gripe (still). I hate not being able to leave Facebook or IM programs connected. Yes, I know, push notifications....blah, blah, blah. I hate getting a call or text and losing my progress in my game. Again, I don't necessarily think the Pre will be better than the iPhone. I don't think webOS will be conducive to running apps that are near as complex as the ones the iPhone has. Their app store won't even come close. THIS is why I won't let go of my iPhone. The Pre is going to be a very, very good device, but I don't think Apple will have to lose much sleep over it.

[iphun]

Here's a good article on the topic : http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/27/palm-pre-unlikely-to-do-any-killing-just-yet/
I agree with what they say about this just like when the iphone came out will have tons of little problems because it is still very young. They are showing that it looked smooth, but so did 3.0 on the March 17th keynote and our 1st beta wasn't anything like what they showed. I know that was a beta but still the actual product is always different from their demonstration. I don't think apple will lost sleep over it either. And don't forget that this 'iPhone killer' was used for the Storm and G1, but that never happened for either of those phones.

[aggieman]

Here's a good article on the topic : http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/27/palm-pre-unlikely-to-do-any-killing-just-yet/
I agree with what they say about this just like when the iphone came out will have tons of little problems because it is still very young. They are showing that it looked smooth, but so did 3.0 on the March 17th keynote and our 1st beta wasn't anything like what they showed. I know that was a beta but still the actual product is always different from their demonstration. I don't think apple will lost sleep over it either. And don't forget that this 'iPhone killer' was used for the Storm and G1, but that never happened for either of those phones.

i think, even without being released, the Pre is already far superior to the Storm and G1. The OS on the Storm was very poorly implemented. It is still good for a Blackberry albeit a bit slow. I still have a Storm and I do like it, although I like my Blackberry to be a Blackberry and prefer my Bold. I think the point of the Storm was to give people a BlackBerry alternative with more of a consumer rather than business emphasis. Android itself is very nice. The G1 sucks, plain and simple, but don't discount Android. The G1 is limited by hardware that looks like something from 2002.

[styfle]

I hated the storm. The click touch screen was horrible. After trying to use it for 5 minutes I gave up.

[aggieman]

I hated the storm. The click touch screen was horrible. After trying to use it for 5 minutes I gave up.

I liked the click at first, but I got tired of it very fast. Glad to see that RIM has abandoned that method in the Storm 2.

[Cantwait4iPhone]

"Manhandle" is unlikely.

Competition is very likely between the two, and I'd say that's a good thing. At least there will be something rivaling the iPhone, pushing Apple to go bigger and better. I still don't like the way the Pre looks as much as the iPhone, but I agree that the interface looks nice.

So the answer to your question is no, probably not.

[mdb4403]

You know the one thing that may keep me from getting the Pre is the physical keyboard. I come from a long line of blackberries and what kept me from getting the iphone was the virtual keyboard. I finally just said what the hell and now I am so proficient on the keyboard I would never go back to a hard keyboard. The other thing that would drive me crazy is that while surfing the web if there is something i need to type on the Pre you have to leave landscape mode and then open the keyboard. I have a feeling that would get old quickly.

Also, I had the blackberry Storm for one day before I returned it and bought the iphone. The storm sucked even after I tried installing the various "unofficial" operating systems that were supposed to cure many of the problems.

[iphun]

I liked the click at first, but I got tired of it very fast. Glad to see that RIM has abandoned that method in the Storm 2.
I didn't know they were getting rid of it. I wonder if it wasn't liked that much that they are removing that feature. I mean that was their biggest selling point about the phone and they are getting rid of it?? Sounds like it wasn't as big as they had hoped.
You know the one thing that may keep me from getting the Pre is the physical keyboard. I come from a long line of blackberries and what kept me from getting the iphone was the virtual keyboard. I finally just said what the hell and now I am so proficient on the keyboard I would never go back to a hard keyboard. The other thing that would drive me crazy is that while surfing the web if there is something i need to type on the Pre you have to leave landscape mode and then open the keyboard. I have a feeling that would get old quickly.

Also, I had the blackberry Storm for one day before I returned it and bought the iphone. The storm sucked even after I tried installing the various "unofficial" operating systems that were supposed to cure many of the problems.

I never hesitated when I picked up my iphone, I always liked the idea of virtual typing. Seriously as soon as I picked up that phone and was typing faster and better on it than any other phone I had owned. But I have seen people struggle with the typing so it just depends. I will never and can't use physical keyboards anymore, they just irritate me :laugh2:. That is the downside with the G1 and the Pre having real keyboards, you can only type on them in one postition, the Pre portrait and the G1 landscape.
I think apple and palm will have some serious competition ahead of them, but really it will only benefit us in the end with better, cheaper, and more loaded phones.

[aggieman]

I didn't know they were getting rid of it. I wonder if it wasn't liked that much that they are removing that feature. I mean that was their biggest selling point about the phone and they are getting rid of it?? Sounds like it wasn't as big as they had hoped.

yeah every Storm 2 rumor/leaked photo i've seen points to them abandoning it. I guess can see the writing on the wall when it comes to the Storm. it started with good potential but poor implementation all the way around.

[Youngbinks]

With the App Store and growing popularity of the iPhone daily, I really don't see the Pre manhandling the iPhone at all.

[Phxblue]

BGR has dissed the Pre's keyboard now..

[Londonrockz568]

I look at the Pre articles and buzz about it and wonder if the media is just doing another repeat of touting yet another device as the iPhone killer yet again.

Everyone will say its the iphone killer just like they all did with the blackberry Storm, the Samsung instinct and various other iPhone "rival" phones. But once the new toy hype died down, many started waiting for the next killer. I dont see it as great competition i see it as a last ditch effort for Sprint to do something major so that the company along with a few mobile phone makers (palm esp) dont fall into obscurity.

Apple did what they do best which is form and factor in a cutting edge package. Blending a Phone, with an iPod and adding alot of expandability and Games (PSP) instead of having all these devices in your pockets. Before the iphone, many people had their cell phone in one pocket, their iPod in another and their PSP (if young) on occasion. What im getting at is Apple beat ALL these very very long standing mobile phone makers at their own game, and pretty much changed the rules of how to play to stay in for good.

Sorry for my lame metaphor but Apple has pretty much forced every smartphone maker to either match or attempt to raise the chips or fold out.

The phone looks great, and the specs are strong, but i dont see it manhandling the iPhone anytime soon.

I have a friend who is getting the Pre, he's upgrading from his instinct lets see if he will like the pre or come on over to the iphone. He does have an iTouch 2gen so if he likes that then the iphone isnt much different.

[JWiPhone]

Reasons I'm staying with the next generation iPhone and not Pre

I have been reading reviews and comparisons of the Pre vs iPhone.

The Pre will be released very soon on June 6th and there will be a lot of fanfare made over it. However, I do see a number of shortcomings with the Pre compared to the iPhone. Many of the comparisons made have been with the current iPhone 3G, but I choose to compare the next generation iPhone with its well-expected rumors.

I do admit these positives with the Pre:



the ergonomics and feel of the Pre in the hand
the user interface and capacitive touch and gestures
multitasking ability
responsivness of web browsing
removeable battery
used with several carriers (Sprint/Verizon)



Now for the negatives and these are the deal breaker for me:



physical keyboard which is small and makes typing very difficult (accidently hitting wrong keys, just reported on BoyGenius)
smaller screen, 3.1 vs iPhone 3.5, not good for viewing movies, gaming
8GB compared to iPhone's 16 and 32GB
sparse software development and apps, Apple is well ahead in this area
no video recording, next gen iPhone will likely have this
camera is 3.0 compared to iPhone's rumored but likely 3.2
aesthetically not as beautiful as the iPhone, too plastic looking
Palm not as strong a company as Apple, and low on cash

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I look at the Pre articles and buzz about it and wonder if the media is just doing another repeat of touting yet another device as the iPhone killer yet again.

Everyone will say its the iphone killer just like they all did with the blackberry Storm, the Samsung instinct and various other iPhone "rival" phones. But once the new toy hype died down, many started waiting for the next killer. I dont see it as great competition i see it as a last ditch effort for Sprint to do something major so that the company along with a few mobile phone makers (palm esp) dont fall into obscurity.

Apple did what they do best which is form and factor in a cutting edge package. Blending a Phone, with an iPod and adding alot of expandability and Games (PSP) instead of having all these devices in your pockets. Before the iphone, many people had their cell phone in one pocket, their iPod in another and their PSP (if young) on occasion. What im getting at is Apple beat ALL these very very long standing mobile phone makers at their own game, and pretty much changed the rules of how to play to stay in for good.

Sorry for my lame metaphor but Apple has pretty much forced every smartphone maker to either match or attempt to raise the chips or fold out.

The phone looks great, and the specs are strong, but i dont see it manhandling the iPhone anytime soon.

I have a friend who is getting the Pre, he's upgrading from his instinct lets see if he will like the pre or come on over to the iphone. He does have an iTouch 2gen so if he likes that then the iphone isnt much different.

Good post, London. +1

[energie]

What really shines about the Pre is the new OS imo. I just hope it doesn't end up being as "underdeveloped" as android. Blackberry, symbian and winmo are all ancient so new OSes are always welcomed. Right now it's absolutely pointless to get a new BB unless they make some serious changes to the OS, or just introduce a new platform altogether. I feel bad for the people that bought the Storm... With their OS updates being as incremental as they are, the thoughts of having a laggy, limited OS (but with touch added) put me off from the get-go,. The thoughts of having a capable, snappy OS (similar to the iPhone), with a slide-out turns me on. I'm not an Apple hater but would love for a viable alternative for once. Don't get me wrong, BB does what it's meant to do (extremely well), but for once I'd like to get a smartphone that can do it ALL. aggieman hit the nail on the head when he said the Pre is like a crossover between the BB and iPhone. If it brings those two worlds together, I can see it being a hit but don't see it beating Apple... simply due to loyal Apple customers.

[iphun]

I look at the Pre articles and buzz about it and wonder if the media is just doing another repeat of touting yet another device as the iPhone killer yet again.

Everyone will say its the iphone killer just like they all did with the blackberry Storm, the Samsung instinct and various other iPhone "rival" phones. But once the new toy hype died down, many started waiting for the next killer. I dont see it as great competition i see it as a last ditch effort for Sprint to do something major so that the company along with a few mobile phone makers (palm esp) dont fall into obscurity.

Sorry for my lame metaphor but Apple has pretty much forced every smartphone maker to either match or attempt to raise the chips or fold out.

The phone looks great, and the specs are strong, but i dont see it manhandling the iPhone anytime soon.

I have a friend who is getting the Pre, he's upgrading from his instinct lets see if he will like the pre or come on over to the iphone. He does have an iTouch 2gen so if he likes that then the iphone isnt much different.
Definitely agree! Like every major touch screen that will ever come out will be challenged as the iphone killer, so far we've seen many attempts but failures in killing. It takes two things that MUST be perfect, hardware and software. If those two things aren't perfect then you fail. Apple has the two and we will see how the Pre does on them. It looks like the Pre has the software, but I'm not sure about the harware, like I said we will see. But you can't forget apple came out with their first phone and it was a success, Palm, blackberry, etc. have been around and know the phone business and imo still have trouble being as good. It doesn't matter how many touch screen phones we see they will always be compared to the iphone which is good for us because that means we have the best one. You just can't kill the iphone that easy, it has many users who love it and can't just give it up that easily and apple has the money to compete IF need be. It's not only Sprint's last ditch effort, it's also Palms, so they better have made this phone work this time around because they don't have a lot of room to fail and recover from it.

[kevlar08]

i think the pre could possible have been the iphone killer, but they are a generation late. Apple has a new firware rolling out as well as a next generation iphone that we still dont know all the details on. in my opinion the next gen iphone will out match the pre.

also while we are having this discusion how do you guys think itunes on the pre will work out? is it something apple will block down the road?

[iphun]

i think the pre could possible have been the iphone killer, but they are a generation late. Apple has a new firware rolling out as well as a next generation iphone that we still dont know all the details on. in my opinion the next gen iphone will out match the pre.

also while we are having this discusion how do you guys think itunes on the pre will work out? is it something apple will block down the road?

I brought the whole itunes thing up in the nextgen thread, but I think they need to release a patch to purposely block any palm product from accessing itunes. That's just shows they know that's the worst part about their phone is going to be the whole part of syncing music and they better not find a way to allow itunes apps to run on their phone, but that would have to infringe on some law. I doubt apple will let this go very far, so palm shouldn't have even told people it could do that cause they'll look stupid when apple fixes it and people wonder why it doesn't work.

[kevlar08]

I brought the whole itunes thing up in the nextgen thread, but I think they need to release a patch to purposely block any palm product from accessing itunes. That's just shows they know that's the worst part about their phone is going to be the whole part of syncing music and they better not find a way to allow itunes apps to run on their phone, but that would have to infringe on some law. I doubt apple will let this go very far, so palm shouldn't have even told people it could do that cause they'll look stupid when apple fixes it and people wonder why it doesn't work.

i agree, there should not a competing phone relying on the software of its competition. Apple will find a way to block this.

[patrickj]

BGR has the first full review of the Pre up - HERE (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/TheBoyGeniusReport/%7E3/dz8ELwDt9Vk/).

It's mostly good, but not a rave review by any means ...

[iphun]

BGR has the first full review of the Pre up - HERE (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/TheBoyGeniusReport/%7E3/dz8ELwDt9Vk/).

It's mostly good, but not a rave review by any means ...

I don't think it will be all it is hyped up to be, but that doesn't mean it will be a terrible phone. I think I'll stick with my iphone :smile:

[Londonrockz568]

lol, Apple is going to patch iTunes so that it only supports an Apple product. Apple is NOT about to let some other company especially a "competition mobile phone maker" to piggyback with deep or very indepth iTunes support similar to how the iPhone/iTouch uses iTunes. If anything the Pre will have very limited and basic music support from iTunes and knowing Apple, even that may come at a price to Palm users.

Maybe something along the lines of connect the phone, and you can only use iTunes to put a playlist of music onto the Pre. (as i said above, this will be based on how Apple is going to deal with Palms "freeloading" and marketing ploy of full iTunes support about this issue).

[Londonrockz568]

BTW!! As ive just noticed. Who ever the marketing and development people are for other cell phone companies, i want to know why they always try to Release "a killer" or something major for them in the wake of Apple having a major change to the iPhone.

Palm wasnt very smart in trying to best Apple by releasing their newest device a few days before the WWDC when they know that MANY Apple product users are going to wait for the WWDC news before they even think of buying the Pre... that is if they even want to stop using their current iPhone to begin with.

Apple = Toyota. Advancements, efficiency in a pretty nice package. (or even better) Porsche. Engineering and advancement thru simplicity.

Palm = Ford. Trying to come up with advancements and hybrids when Toyota has already sold millions.

[iphun]

lol, Apple is going to patch iTunes so that it only supports an Apple product. Apple is NOT about to let some other company especially a "competition mobile phone maker" to piggyback with deep or very indepth iTunes support similar to how the iPhone/iTouch uses iTunes. If anything the Pre will have very limited and basic music support from iTunes and knowing Apple, even that may come at a price to Palm users.

Maybe something along the lines of connect the phone, and you can only use iTunes to put a playlist of music onto the Pre. (as i said above, this will be based on how Apple is going to deal with Palms "freeloading" and marketing ploy of full iTunes support about this issue).

Apple just released the official iTunes 8.2, so I am curious if that patched whatever loophole Palm was using. I could see if they partnered up with Apple to make the syncing experience easy, but they didn't they are faking their way into using iTunes which was low for them especially to publicize it thinking Apple won't do anything about it. Palm needs to play things careful because if Apple took them to court they probably don't have the money to put up a good fight. I could see iTunes being able to recognize the Pre and charge a monthly usage fee just to be able to connect and transfer between iTunes and the Pre which would either make Apple more money or deter Pre users from wanting to do this.

[chris]

The OP has been watching what site for Pre news (http://www.everythingpre.com)?

http://www.everythingpre.com/images/forum/picard.png

[Londonrockz568]

What was the point of that post chris?

[chris]

Added emphasis, you should get it this time around.

[Londonrockz568]

lol, we're only discussing the potential "iphone killer" side of the device.

[psylichon]

Pointless article on the subject:

http://www.asylum.com/2009/06/01/five-reasons-the-palm-pre-will-triumph/

[styfle]

Long review:
http://gizmodo.com/5277499/palm-pre-review
It doesn't sound like its manhandling anything.

[2white2fight]

Reasons I'm staying with the next generation iPhone and not Pre

I have been reading reviews and comparisons of the Pre vs iPhone.

The Pre will be released very soon on June 6th and there will be a lot of fanfare made over it. However, I do see a number of shortcomings with the Pre compared to the iPhone. Many of the comparisons made have been with the current iPhone 3G, but I choose to compare the next generation iPhone with its well-expected rumors.

I do admit these positives with the Pre:



the ergonomics and feel of the Pre in the hand
the user interface and capacitive touch and gestures
multitasking ability
responsivness of web browsing
removeable battery
used with several carriers (Sprint/Verizon)



Now for the negatives and these are the deal breaker for me:



physical keyboard which is small and makes typing very difficult (accidently hitting wrong keys, just reported on BoyGenius)
smaller screen, 3.1 vs iPhone 3.5, not good for viewing movies, gaming
8GB compared to iPhone's 16 and 32GB
sparse software development and apps, Apple is well ahead in this area
no video recording, next gen iPhone will likely have this
camera is 3.0 compared to iPhone's rumored but likely 3.2
aesthetically not as beautiful as the iPhone, too plastic looking
Palm not as strong a company as Apple, and low on cash


ha your so harsh

[mdb4403]

It seems that the more reviews I read about the pre the more itchy I get to replace the old Iphone. While there have been some moderate reviews most seem to think the Pre is right up there with the Iphone and surpasses it in many ways. I have not read any really negative reviews. I particularly like the damn GPS. Ive been waitign for TURN by TURN GPS instructions it seems forever. "The king is dead, Long Live the King"

[aggieman]

It seems that the more reviews I read about the pre the more itchy I get to replace the old Iphone. While there have been some moderate reviews most seem to think the Pre is right up there with the Iphone and surpasses it in many ways. I have not read any really negative reviews. I particularly like the damn GPS. Ive been waitign for TURN by TURN GPS instructions it seems forever. "The king is dead, Long Live the King"

I agree. The Sprint Navigation (telnav) app looks great and best of all it is free. Free turn by turn with a sweet interface thrown in with the plan and much cheaper plan than iPhone. It is definitely attractive

[Hayesimus]

it looks hideous... no way I'm gonna even check it out if it looks like that...

[Saverino]

it looks hideous... no way I'm gonna even check it out if it looks like that...

That's what she said... to you. :tounge:

[Hayesimus]

oh snap...

[psylichon]

I think the Pre is sharp.

Like... literally:

http://vimeo.com/4990760

^^^ Palm Pre cuts the cheese

[Ohmster]

May never get here....:laugh2:

http://www.carfaq.org/static/Ohmpix/Everythingicafe/PreDown.tiff

[Bitewound]

I think the Pre is sharp.

Like... literally:

http://vimeo.com/4990760

^^^ Palm Pre cuts the cheese
:eek: Does the TSA know about that ;)

[Londonrockz568]

So who's going to get one?

[Rockky]

Ironically the only thing any other phone hasn't been able to touch the iPhone on is the interface's functionality and fun.....well, folks, the Pre outFuns the iPhone...it flows incredibly smartly and efficiently.
The universal search is a thing of beauty. Hope Spotlights final version incorporates the same.
Downside: the original feature I'd said I probably wouldn't keep the Iphone for...the keyboard. Learning curve, I know. But I don't ever seeing myself typing with the fluency of the virtual.

[Londonrockz568]

Ironically the only thing any other phone hasn't been able to touch the iPhone on is the interface's functionality and fun.....well, folks, the Pre outFuns the iPhone...it flows incredibly smartly and efficiently.
The universal search is a thing of beauty. Hope Spotlights final version incorporates the same.
Downside: the original feature I'd said I probably wouldn't keep the Iphone for...the keyboard. Learning curve, I know. But I don't ever seeing myself typing with the fluency of the virtual.


Oh please, thats just the "newness" talking.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Oh please, thats just the "newness" talking.

It'll be interesting to see the effect of the increased processor speed in the new iPhone, for sure.

Two days, London!

[iphun]

Oh please, thats just the "newness" talking.

As soon as that "newness" wears off people will realize how behind the phone is in apps and in battery life. I found a review of it and they liked it but said the battery life was terrible and for it to be successful they need to get more apps available.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1911416353?bclid=1745181318&bctid=25305179001

[JWiPhone]

I'm going to Best Buy today. I want to check out the line of Pre enthusiasts.
I could never understand the marketing decision of Palm to release the Pre right before WWDC when a new iPhone will be released.

I see a real positive for Apple iPhone owners though if the Palm Pre is a huge success. It will make Apple all the more determined to improve upon their iPhone. Competition is a good thing. :)

[iphun]

I'm going to Best Buy today. I want to check out the line of Pre enthusiasts.

I read that the lines before they opened were pathetic compared to the apple lines for iphones, but of course the Sprint or Palm CEO said that they expect more during the day. Either it isn't as popular as they had hoped or a lot of people are waiting till monday to see what apple is going to announce and then decide if they want an iPhone or the Pre.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Well, to be fair, the Pre didn't get all the marketing hype that the iPhone did, either.

[iphun]

Well, to be fair, the Pre didn't get all the marketing hype that the iPhone did, either.

Ok to be fair they didn't and I think Palm needs to get some commercials now that they have some revenue coming in because those Sprint commercials aren't doing anything to help the Pre with the 2 second spot at the end of their commercials. If they had commercials more like the Storm did they probably could have had a few more people in lines.

[JWiPhone]

I...or a lot of people are waiting till monday to see what apple is going to announce and then decide if they want an iPhone or the Pre.


I think you hit the nail on the head. Pre was announced back in January I think. If they would have released this phone in March or April a lot more people would be lining up for the Pre since a new iPhone release would still be months away.

[Phxblue]

I went and spent some hands on time with the Pre today with the frame of mind that I would buy it if it was that good. I played with the cards, surfed the web, messed around with the keyboard, took a picture etc...

First off PALM, what are you thinking with the keyboard?? Those keys are tiny and sticky feeling and close together and just not enjoyable to use. It's also a Good thing I'm not suicidal otherwise I coulda slit my wrists with the edges of the phone. The camera was just ok. The screen is noticably small, not too small but definately smaller than I envisioned it would appear. WebOS is slick but it could use a transition kind of look that the iPhone implements when you open new apps. When you click on something it just kinda sits there. It almost gives off the impression of lagging or hanging up while waiting for the app to open. That's really my only complaint about the OS, it's otherwise very nice but still not as good looking as the iPhone in my opnion. It does however pull up web pages very fast and renders them very nicely. The Pre I was playing with was at 5 bars the entire time.

Its my opinion that the Pre will man handle Sprints line up but the iPhone is still the king.

[iphun]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Pre was announced back in January I think. If they would have released this phone in March or April a lot more people would be lining up for the Pre since a new iPhone release would still be months away.

Also if they released a lot earlier they could have had many more apps by now to compete with the iphone. I think they planned on today being a big blow to the iphone right before WWDC but they didn't expect so many people to rather wait until they hear from both sides. They should have had the SDK released months ago and had it so apps could have been released earlier.

[iphun]

I went and spent some hands on time with the Pre today with the frame of mind that I would buy it if it was that good. I played with the cards, surfed the web, messed around with the keyboard, took a picture etc...

First off PALM, what are you thinking with the keyboard?? Those keys are tiny and sticky feeling and close together and just not enjoyable to use. It's also a Good thing I'm not suicidal otherwise I coulda slit my wrists with the edges of the phone. The camera was just ok. The screen is noticably small, not too small but definately smaller than I envisioned it would appear. WebOS is slick but it could use a transition kind of look that the iPhone implements when you open new apps. When you click on something it just kinda sits there. It almost gives off the impression of lagging or hanging up while waiting for the app to open. That's really my only complaint about the OS, it's otherwise very nice but still not as good looking as the iPhone in my opnion. It does however pull up web pages very fast and renders them very nicely. The Pre I was playing with was at 5 bars the entire time.

Its my opinion that the Pre will man handle Sprints line up but the iPhone is still the king.

I haven't played with one and agree with you about how the Pre will never man handle the iPhone but definitely man handle the Sprint line up. I keep hearing about the keyboard experience with the small keys and sharp edges. I text, email, and use the web a lot on my iphone, so I would probably slit my thumbs or get bad blisters from the edges. And I think the only reason the web pages render fast is because of the processing power which we will hopefully get the same in the new iphone. I always have 5 bars with my iphone, it just depends on where you live.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I think that Apple may have to swing for the fences on Monday to keep some of the iPhone faithful from jumping ship. A lot of cell phone owners are pretty capricious - they'll jump to a new phone just for the novelty of a new toy.

The iPhone's the cell phone for me
But just take a look at this Pre!
So come on now, Apple
With Sprint you must grapple
And fill us on Monday with glee!

[Hayesimus]

That rhyme was really quite neat.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.
Now I'll spread the word
Repeat all I have heard
I'll get on my twitter and tweet!




Meh...

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

That rhyme was really quite neat.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.
Now I'll spread the word
Repeat all I have heard
I'll get on my twitter and tweet!




Meh...

See you in the limerick thread, then.

[JWiPhone]

I went and spent some hands on time with the Pre today with the frame of mind that I would buy it if it was that good. I played with the cards, surfed the web, messed around with the keyboard, took a picture etc...

First off PALM, what are you thinking with the keyboard?? Those keys are tiny and sticky feeling and close together and just not enjoyable to use. It's also a Good thing I'm not suicidal otherwise I coulda slit my wrists with the edges of the phone. The camera was just ok. The screen is noticably small, not too small but definately smaller than I envisioned it would appear. WebOS is slick but it could use a transition kind of look that the iPhone implements when you open new apps. When you click on something it just kinda sits there. It almost gives off the impression of lagging or hanging up while waiting for the app to open. That's really my only complaint about the OS, it's otherwise very nice but still not as good looking as the iPhone in my opnion. It does however pull up web pages very fast and renders them very nicely. The Pre I was playing with was at 5 bars the entire time.

Its my opinion that the Pre will man handle Sprints line up but the iPhone is still the king.

Nice review Phxblue. I went to Best Buy but was only able to examine the Pre's hardware. It wasn't functional or activated. The keyboard was my biggest complaint, and I have small fingers. They were almost microscopic. It is a sleekly designed phone but I'm still sold on the iPhone.

[Rockky]

As soon as that "newness" wears off people will realize how behind the phone is in apps and in battery life. I found a review of it and they liked it but said the battery life was terrible and for it to be successful they need to get more apps available.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1911416353?bclid=1745181318&bctid=25305179001

Newness doesn't apply to the two items I described.
I'll undoubtedly stick with the Iphone, but the universal search, and Interface of the Pre will still leave the Iphone with much to be desired in comparison...assuming all stays the same come July17.

[Londonrockz568]

As soon as that "newness" wears off people will realize how behind the phone is in apps and in battery life. I found a review of it and they liked it but said the battery life was terrible and for it to be successful they need to get more apps available.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1911416353?bclid=1745181318&bctid=25305179001

Funny how Apple has changed the game yet again. Now its not even all about the phone...it about the support and software for it with a heavy importance on "applications or Apps".

Storm Failed at this.
Symbian phones epic failed at this.
Windows Mobiles epic failed at this (and WinMo was ****ty)

Apple dominated everything and every maker.
Pre? only time will tell but i see it as another annoying fly that comes around to bother then you find it dead a day later.

Nothing about Palm makes me want to own something from them. Nothing about the Pre screams that i need to camp out to get one or even get one at all. When i think of Palm, i wonder who their advertisers are and their development team is. They shot themselves in the foot by going to Sprint. If they went to Verizon they could have been the "iPhone of the CDMA world".

Its like Palm had an identity crisis with the Pre. Its a touch screen, but yet it has a slide out full keyboard. For what? IF you have the software for accuracy and touch then why the hell would you redundant yourself with buttons? Not to mention, Every Smartphone (that was decent) didnt have much in the form factor yet the Pre is a SmartPhone, as well as a Slider with touchscreen but a full keyboard.

Do like Porsche does. Pick one design and refine it and then people will measure the standard from what you have refined over the years.

Iphone is a Candybar, touchscreen, Smartphone. Simple candy bar design, no swivel out this, slide down that. Touchscreen, only 4 buttons and 1 switch exist on the phone no physical keyboards. Smartphone, its powerful and capable and it has single handedly mainstreamed the "i want to own a smartphone".

[iphun]

Funny how Apple has changed the game yet again. Now its not even all about the phone...it about the support and software for it with a heavy importance on "applications or Apps".

Apple dominated everything and every maker.
Pre? only time will tell but i see it as another annoying fly that comes around to bother then you find it dead a day later.

Nothing about Palm makes me want to own something from them. Nothing about the Pre screams that i need to camp out to get one or even get one at all. When i think of Palm, i wonder who their advertisers are and their development team is. They shot themselves in the foot by going to Sprint. If they went to Verizon they could have been the "iPhone of the CDMA world".


I agree with everything!! :smile:

The iPhone software is amazing and does not need a physical keyboard. From just watching videos of the Palm Pre I don't think it could handle a virtual keyboard. I doubt the os is good enough for it. There were many times where it was terrible how it handled some of the touch gestures. Also panning and zooming (pinch zoom) didn't seem to work well on the plastic screen. I think the Pre hype will die out very soon especially after the iPhone video(new iphone) is announced. It also seemed to run verrrrry slow when even just a 'card' or two were open. And that sluggishness didn't help their not so perfect touch interface.

There are thousands of apple iphone developers and I think it is a little late to come in with a device that is going to rely on apps since the iphone has stolen that market and set the bar very high for an app store. I doubt any other company will be able to compete with the Apple app store with their thousands upon thousands of apps that are ever increasing in number.

I agree there's just something about Palm I don't really like. It's like Rubinstein was too evil for Apple so he went to Palm who suits him perfectly. Even before they broke into iTunes I didn't like then and now because of that I am almost despising them. I am still hoping Apple patches that or takes Palm to court. I read that Palm may have dug themselves a grave because if Apple were to patch itunes and people started a class action suit for advertising something that doesn't work they probably couldn't recover. There really is something about the Apple company that you don't mind camping out and spending a little more on their products. Verizon and RIM advertised the hell out of the Storm about how it's the first blackberry touch screen and even though it was a failure they were a company who could handle that failure, Palm isn't. I haven't seen any advertisement that lets me even know what kind of phone Palm just made. It hasn't even been on the news for people to see what Palm is coming out with because the turnouts so far haven't been very good. Palm would have probably been extremely successful with verizon, but may go even closer out of business because of Sprint.

[iPhoneMonster]

One question, what's a deter?

And londonrockz I fully agree with you. When airbus released the a380 Boeing straight away thought they should release a competing aircraft, but instead they built thee own market, the 787 dreamliner. I think that's what cellphone makers should do now.

Right now I see so many touch screen devices in the hands, of 12 year olds. I think that's the next big thing now.

[glsda]

That rhyme was really quite neat.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.
Now I'll spread the word
Repeat all I have heard
I'll get on my twitter and tweet!


The iPhone's the cell phone for me
But just take a look at this Pre!
So come on now, Apple
With Sprint you must grapple
And fill us on Monday with glee!

Hayes and Napolean thanks for the limericks. :laugh2:

[connie]

AT&T is getting me very close to jumping ship right now. I love the iphone but am having major problems making and receiving calls at home. It wasn't a drop zone before I don't understand what has happened in the last few weeks that my reception here went from bad to worse. I really want to check out a Pre but I am very unsure about the keyboard and I really wanted video.

[Phxblue]

AT&T is getting me very close to jumping ship right now. I love the iphone but am having major problems making and receiving calls at home. It wasn't a drop zone before I don't understand what has happened in the last few weeks that my reception here went from bad to worse. I really want to check out a Pre but I am very unsure about the keyboard and I really wanted video.

AT&T is doing upgrades to their software. Maybe that's the problem you are having in your area?

[evolution83]

I have noticed one thing about Palm and their devices. All of the Palm devices have a really small keyboard. When I first got my Palm Treo years ago, the keyboard actually hurt my fingers from using it because it was so squished together.

I think I'll stick with Apple for life.

[iphun]

I have noticed one thing about Palm and their devices. All of the Palm devices have a really small keyboard. When I first got my Palm Treo years ago, the keyboard actually hurt my fingers from using it because it was so squished together.

I think I'll stick with Apple for life.

I can't imaging not having an iphone. I don't think I will be able to put up with any other phone. Same here for me Apple for life.

[evolution83]

I can't imaging not having an iphone. I don't think I will be able to put up with any other phone. Same here for me Apple for life.

Yup, I agree. After looking at all of the current phones out there, they just seem "odd" to me. I can just imagine that within the next 5, maybe 10 years, smart phones will be # 1 and standard flip phones will be no more.

[iphun]

Yup, I agree. After looking at all of the current phones out there, they just seem "odd" to me. I can just imagine that within the next 5, maybe 10 years, smart phones will be # 1 and standard flip phones will be no more.

I have used friends phones and they just annoy me with their physical keyboards and with having to look from a keyboard to a screen ugh I just don't like it. The iphone is my phone and will probably always be my phone of choice. I'm sure it will take some time until flip phones are completely gone, but smartphones will be the way to go in the upcoming years.

[Londonrockz568]

AT&T is getting me very close to jumping ship right now. I love the iphone but am having major problems making and receiving calls at home. It wasn't a drop zone before I don't understand what has happened in the last few weeks that my reception here went from bad to worse. I really want to check out a Pre but I am very unsure about the keyboard and I really wanted video.

Connie, At&T is updating ALOT of things. Their main focus is converting almost every landline into fibre optic for U-Verse. As far as Wireless goes, they are updating for 4G and more recently updating for the New iphone's data guzzling. You may have some hiccups along the way, but a little suffering now will pay off when you'll have 4G speeds by 2011.

lol, I love that i sometimes think my iPhone is a RollsRoyce...only in the fact that one drinks oil fields whole, and the other guzzles data.

[Londonrockz568]

In response to the iPhone and Pre chatter.

Palm does not have the money nor R&D to keep up with Apple. If Apple (correction...when Apple) takes Palm to court for Itunes issue it will be carnage.
You can tell Palm AND Sprint dont have money because Palm hasnt done much advertising for their self proclaimed "iPhone killer". Sprint really is the low end of the CDMA and with their worthlessly expensive purchase of Nextel they have little money.

The thing about the BB Storm, it had VERY strong advertising and buzz about it and Blackberry isnt doing bad at all.

In the end, if the **** hits the fan and Palm goes belly up, im pretty sure RIM will acquire them and find someway to refine and make blackberries alot better.

As for the posts about normal phones. lol, the trend...err movement is as follows.

Buttons are sooo 2007.
Having a Smart phone is now a fashion/status symbol/must have and not only for business/nerds.
The last regular phone people owned prolly was a RAZR/SLVR/ROKR/V300/PEBL OR N series Nokia.
Now because of Apple and other smartphone makers and Smartphones becoming so very mainstream... having a regular phone is touted as a "bare minimums" phone, call text and contacts. No camera, etc. Im starting to notice this, as almost every store is selling Smartphones, or Bare minimum phones. There's no need for an in between.

I wouldnt be surprised if 11yr olds are emailing teachers their homework.

[iphun]

In response to the iPhone and Pre chatter.

Agreed, that's the best way to sum up what's been discussed.
I really hope they take them to court and get some bad publicity for Palm. That's their one downright failure is advertising, if I asked a typical person on the street "what's a palm pre" they probably wouldn't know what I was talking about. Palm needed to push this product like they did with the Storm. RIM would probably buy them and use their technologies to make their Storm better.
Lol buttons are sooo 2007, but once you go iphone/ipod touch screen you never go back to any other touch screen or buttons.

[Londonrockz568]

Now that you put it like that, If Palm was to get any free publicity it would benefit them greatly.

Its funny because whenever i try to use someone elses phone i get frustrated and give up. My friend has a HTC phone, idk what model its like touch (with a stylis) but has a full keyboard. Im like "hey i wana see if my Emoji show on your phone" So i try getting to his text messages and im like, i give up here you do it.

Pre what? (oh how funny the ending word(s)/phrase(s) could be after Pre) *Napi should make that thread*
I asked my 7 yr old nephew "do you know what this is?" (showing him my iphone) He replies, "iPhone... let me see i want to play Super Monkey Ball."

My eyes opened O_O ... Now THAT is market saturation!

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Whenever I try to use someone's non-touchscreen phone, I almost always end up smudging the display with fingerprints while trying to use it!

[mdb4403]

Well I went down to best buy and looked at the pre today. Wow. It has an incredible form factor. It is significantly smaller than the iPhone and really does make the iPhone look old and dated. They only had a display unit so I can't commet on hOw it actually works . On precentral not suprisingly it is getting outstanding reviews except for battery life which apparently sucks. Also I tried the keyboard and could type on it. It was that small. Still strongly considering getting one will be interested to see what apple does tomorrow.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I'm waiting for the "newness" factor of the Pre to die down a bit before I trust any opinions or reviews on it.

[iphun]

Well the thing is about the Pre looking new is because it came out yesterday!!! The 3G came out July LAST YEAR. Trust me you will probably not think the Pre looks so good when you see the new iphone with all it's new features. And I agree Napoleon once the "newness" wears off there will be as many or more people complaining about the battery than the iphone and the keyboard is another thing people will complain about.

[Rockky]

I've had both for 2 days....and yeah, keyboard, battery, smaller screen are big minuses.
BUT I bought the iPhone for the cool interface simple , flowing , elegant.
And so far the Pre ups the ante, significantly in that area for the exact reasons you've seen in all the video's. As converged devices go, it is the most tightly converged ever thanks to Synergy, and Universal search.
From the home page type letters and be prompted to any contact, URL, or general search term.
Anywhere on any web page you can begin typing a search term orURL and surf immediately in another direction.
Any email, text or SMS page begin typing letters and be prompted to any contact along with functional field options.
This function has amazing impact navigation and movement around the device.

I've had both devices, with cache cleared, rebooted and the Pre loads pages at least 25% faster every time. This page: pre: 7sec...iPhone: 16 sec. With data intensive sites the gap is bigger.

So...Pre is uglier, poorer battery, keyboard data entry cumbersome....but in the guts of interface functionality (always the strength of my Iphone?....the Pre has set the new standard....for the time being.)
And this is not the newness talking!

[iphun]

I've had both for 2 days....and yeah, keyboard, battery, smaller screen are big minuses.
BUT I bought the iPhone for the cool interface simple , flowing , elegant.
And so far the Pre ups the ante, significantly in that area for the exact reasons you've seen in all the video's. As converged devices go, it is the most tightly converged ever thanks to Synergy, and Universal search.
From the home page type letters and be prompted to any contact, URL, or general search term.
Anywhere on any web page you can begin typing a search term orURL and surf immediately in another direction.
Any email, text or SMS page begin typing letters and be prompted to any contact along with functional field options.
This function has amazing impact navigation and movement around the device.

I've had both devices, with cache cleared, rebooted and the Pre loads pages at least 25% faster every time. This page: pre: 7sec...iPhone: 16 sec. With data intensive sites the gap is bigger.

So...Pre is uglier, poorer battery, keyboard data entry cumbersome....but in the guts of interface functionality (always the strength of my Iphone?....the Pre has set the new standard....for the time being.)
And this is not the newness talking!

That's weird I just watched a video where the iphone loaded a few seconds faster with a data intensive site. I guess it just depends on your signal and conditions between each cell site. I think the iphone will catch up and in 3.0 we do have universal search. But I have heard that synergy isn't as great in some areas and it just gets annoying.

[Londonrockz568]

Whatever. Pre people will say what they want, they are idiots if they think they can compare a brand new device to the older 3G. Its like saying my milk is better because its exp date is a a few days longer than yours.

When tomorrow comes the Pre will be all over ebay and will be forgotten.

[iphun]

Whatever. Pre people will say what they want, they are idiots if they think they can compare a brand new device to the older 3G. Its like saying my milk is better because its exp date is a a few days longer than yours.

When tomorrow comes the Pre will be all over ebay and will be forgotten.

I did finally see a commercial that focused only on the Pre even though it was a Sprint commercial.

Yeah the iphone will always be #1 and there will never be an iphone killer just phones that tout their 'iphone killing' ability even though they really can't pull it off.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I did finally see a commercial that focused only on the Pre even though it was a Sprint commercial.

Were you watching "The Curse of King Tut" as well? :smile:

[iphun]

Were you watching "The Curse of King Tut" as well? :smile:

Not sure I was flipping through channels all I remember is that it was NBC around 9 or 10pm.

[Londonrockz568]

Im watching TLC. They have this 1225lbs man on the tele.

Its disgusting and he should die.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Im watching TLC. They have this 1225lbs man on the tele.

Its disgusting and he should die.

You have this thing about fat people, don't you?

[evolution83]

Im watching TLC. They have this 1225lbs man on the tele.

Its disgusting and he should die.

Wow...little harsh eh London?

[connie]

I played with a Pre today at Radio Shack. To be fair it's a nice phone, BUT.....I HATED the keyboard. I could not get past it. It was awkward, small, I could never live with it no matter how nice the phone itself is. The phone is nice but I don't think I will get one now, the no video thing also is a big minus in my book.

[JWiPhone]

I played with a Pre today at Radio Shack. To be fair it's a nice phone, BUT.....I HATED the keyboard. I could not get past it. It was awkward, small, I could never live with it no matter how nice the phone itself is. The phone is nice but I don't think I will get one now, the no video thing also is a big minus in my book.

Connie, I so agree with you. I too checked out the Pre at Best Buy and that was exactly my reaction. There were features that I really liked though. It is an awesome looking little phone with multi-tasking and and great gestures and user interface. When I slid out the keyboard I couldn't get over just how tiny the keys were, and I have small fingers too.

[connie]

Connie, I so agree with you. I too checked out the Pre at Best Buy and that was exactly my reaction. There were features that I really liked though. It is an awesome looking little phone with multi-tasking and and great gestures and user interface. When I slid out the keyboard I couldn't get over just how tiny the keys were, and I have small fingers too.

I was using the keyboard better with my nails than I could with my fingers so I can't imagine it being easy for you guys/boys/men. But I did like the phone too until I slid out the keyboard. I just don't know if I could live with that.

[Youngbinks]

I'm going to run to Best Buy tomorrow to see the Pre. It'll have to wait until AFTER the WWDC of course.

[Londonrockz568]

I'm going to run to Best Buy tomorrow to see the Pre. It'll have to wait until AFTER the WWDC of course.

Knows where his priorities are.

[mdb4403]

If the fat man's casket doesn't have a front facing video camera, ichat and a suitable keyboard he is going to be PISSED

[Londonrockz568]

Que???????

[evolution83]

The keyboard on the Pre is similar to that of the Treo. Never again will I use old fashioned cell phones with an actual keyboard. I'll stick with Apple and it's touchscreen.

[JWiPhone]

the no video thing also is a big minus in my book.

Connie, check out the video feature on the new iPhone 3GS. I think you will be impressed.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/