Safari 4.0 Beta

[GSA190]

I thought the new safari beta was going to be very good. I was dead wrong. Every-time I use the web browser it crashes. A message pops up saying their was an error and a button to send error report. I'm so sick of this already and ive had it for a good 1 hour.

[icecreamman2]

i have just downloaded it on my pc at work, works fine but the new look is a NONO. hopefully it looks fine on my mac at home

[Ramesh]

I got it on my work laptop (XP), and it works great. I came home and it works great on my MB and iMac. I love it.

[Ramesh]

I know Drew likes it - anyone else? So far, it hasn't crashed. I installed it on my work laptop (xp) and my MB and iMac. I love it. Very fast, and I like the top hits tab/page.

Anyone else's thoughts?

[acosmichippo]

i'll have to give it a shot...

any new features?

[acosmichippo]

well, i can't restart my computer tonight for the installation.

i'll have to report back tomorrow.

[Ramesh]

i'll have to give it a shot...

any new features?

Plenty. Apple loves their cover flow. I'd type more, but I'm on my phone. Check out www.apple.com/safari

[acosmichippo]

cover flow is pretty and all, but useless, if you ask me.

maybe it'll be interesting with safari... especially if it's anything like Cooliris.

when you zoom, do images blow up as well?

n/m, found the answer:

Zoom in or out on web content using keyboard shortcuts, Multi-Touch gestures, or the Zoom toolbar button for more comfortable reading. Images and graphics scale up while your text remains razor sharp, keeping the web page layout consistent as you zoom. To add the Zoom button to your toolbar, simply choose Customize toolbar from the View menu and drag the button onto your toolbar.


this may actually tear me away from firefox... in fact, i may actually kill my handbrake encoding just to try it out...

[acosmichippo]

ok, so i restarted, and i absolutely love it. I'm sorry to say firefox and i are going to go our separate ways for the time being...

this is the safari update i never thought would come.

[Ramesh]

Yea, cover flow is useless. I like the top sites feature though. And it is very fast.

[monkeysrock0622]

Is there any way to get rid of the blue bar at the top in the Windows version? They say its to make you feel more "at home" but use Safari to get away from "home"

[acosmichippo]

and i literally just copy and pasted all my bookmarks (a few hundred) from firefox into safari.

took two seconds.

[coasts]

yeah, i'm messing with it now and love it. top sites is very cool and i'm not mad at coverflow.

[acosmichippo]

the coverflow with bookmarks is pretty nice.

i just think it's useless implemented into Finder.

[Saverino]

It's working fine on my MacBook... No issues whatsoever.

[Ramesh]

and i literally just copy and pasted all my bookmarks (a few hundred) from firefox into itunes.

took two seconds.

Tell me more about this.

[acosmichippo]

it was one of those things where i was like, i seriously doubt this'll work, but i'll try it anyway.

in FF, go to bookmarks->organize bookmarks.

select all the ones you want to copy over (cmd+a, cmd+c for all of them).

then open the bookmark manager in safari. Select the folder you want to paste them in. cmd+v. The only snag is the names of the bookmarks don't quite make it.

i was quite surprised when it worked.

[acosmichippo]

seems pretty solid so far.

the only issue i have noticed is that while zooming, the text within buttons gets un-centered sometimes.

[Youngbinks]

I'm about to download it now, pretty excited.

[acosmichippo]

for everyone that hasn't seen the other thread, my official position is that it's awesome.

it is now my default browser (firefox previously).

[Youngbinks]

I don't really like the placement of the tabs. I suppose it will take a bit of getting used to, but I liked them in the position from before.

[Ramesh]

Ok. The iTunes comment threw me off.

I am shocked that you ditched FF. If that isn't a seal of approval, I dunno what is.

[acosmichippo]

oh, whoops.

sorry bout that.

[acosmichippo]

does anyone use inquisitor (http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/index_en.php)?

it doesn't seem to install for me on the beta...

[acosmichippo]

it's different, but the logic makes sense, i guess.

doesn't really phase me one way or the other.

[Youngbinks]

I think I just got so accustomed to it with both Firefox and the previous Safari I developed a crutch for it.

Stupid question, but what is the little Spider dodad?

[acosmichippo]

it's a "bug" reporter.

spiders have 8 legs.

[Youngbinks]

Psh, it's too small to tell. But now that I looked closer it does in fact have 6 legs.

It seems to be running a bit slower than the old Safari but it seems to be getting better with each new page I visit.

[acosmichippo]

a few of complaints:

-"middle click" does not close a tab (same as old safari).
-zoom does not "stick" very well... it does for maybe 15 minutes, and then i'll have to re-zoom.
-there's no smooth-scroller (as far as i can tell).
-the downloads manager stays open after all downloads complete.

[Youngbinks]

I'm not feeling this new zoom yet either. I much prefer the zoom with the old Safari but I think it is yet another thing I will have to get used to over time.


Another oddity, the Safari icon changed in my dock and reverted back to the original, pre-Candy Bar settings. I'll have to change that back.

[impaler]

I thought the new safari beta was going to be very good. I was dead wrong. Every-time I use the web browser it crashes.

Quit yer whinin'...it's BETA.

[acosmichippo]

I'm not feeling this new zoom yet either. I much prefer the zoom with the old Safari but I think it is yet another thing I will have to get used to over time.

i'm sure it'll get fine-tuned throughout the beta process.

[psylichon]

Finally... a Windows web browser that can load iRovr and other iPhone-specific sites AND zoom text and graphics together. Firefox does the zoom thing, but doesn't work at all for some sites (like iRovr). Chrome and the old Safari does webkit-only sites, but neither did the zoom thing. I refuse to use IE, so I don't even know there.

I'm also happy that Apple gave up on the Mac look for Windows. iTunes next please?? It's very two-faced of them to demand such attention to OS protocol when it comes to the visuals of iPhone apps and the like, yet completely thumb their noses at Windows standards and conventions when they go cross-platform.

This will take the place of Chrome on my system for viewing these types of sites on the desktop, but it won't replace Firefox for me until it gets the extensive plugin support that Mozilla has.

[Youngbinks]

i'm sure it'll get fine-tuned throughout the beta process.

Quite right. I have to keep reminding myself that it is still in Beta form.

Much better than the old AOL Betas I would test back in the day. Ohhh, AOL.

[acosmichippo]

i just had the greatest idea ever:

expose' within safari. when triggered, your tabs would spread out into something like the "top sites" window. that would be f'n amazing.

[acosmichippo]

This will take the place of Chrome on my system for viewing these types of sites on the desktop, but it won't replace Firefox for me until it gets the extensive plugin support that Mozilla has.

yeah, there are a couple that i am missing.

i fear safari will never see as much plugin attention as firefox, though.

[Youngbinks]

i just had the greatest idea ever:

expose' within safari. when triggered, your tabs would spread out into something like the "top sites" window. that would be f'n amazing.

That would be incredible. I would say suggest it to Apple but you don't want a letter like that little girl got.

[Youngbinks]

I just realized that Facebook no longer causes Safari to crash when you view profile info and then swipe back to the wall. Nice.

[acosmichippo]

for anyone that finds clicking on the little "x" to close a tab, i have found that cmd+w closes the active tab.

i assigned it to a mouse button, which helps a lot.

[Ramesh]

Now, if we could get the over night shift to merge these threads...

[acosmichippo]

i have PMed dave regarding this.

[psylichon]

El mergeio es completo.

[Ramesh]

i have PMed dave regarding this.

lol, I know. We were in chat. That's when I commented. :)

[psylichon]

It was my idea first, by the way. I was just feeling lazy.

[Ramesh]

It was my idea first, by the way. I was just feeling lazy.

:rolleyes:

Anyway. So far, so good, I like Safari better now. Still getting used to the where the tabs are. Since I used chrome at work before, the transition isn't that hard...

[acosmichippo]

El mergeio es completo.

muchas gracias, hombre.

[acosmichippo]

i'm trying to send an apple feedback form, but i can't find one for safari...

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

anyone find that odd?

[Youngbinks]

I haven't tried Chrome but my roommate has it and there are plenty of similarities between the two.

The speed is pretty dang fast now.

[acosmichippo]

i've found that the "back" has a little more lag than firefox... enough to make it slightly annoying.

[psylichon]

On Windows, it seems to be rendering about as fast as Firefox, which is great. But FF still has a slight edge in speed. Major gripe: Full-screen window of Safari overrides a hidden taskbar. No, no, no. Bad!

[Ramesh]

On Windows, it seems to be rendering about as fast as Firefox, which is great. But FF still has a slight edge in speed. Major gripe: Full-screen window of Safari overrides a hidden taskbar. No, no, no. Bad!

Fullscreen? What? Are we back in the 90's? That's the last time I used full screen - when it first came out. You use that a lot?

[acosmichippo]

oh, i just remembered another one... mouse-over links does not display the URL anywhere...

[Youngbinks]

I actually miss the easy, full screen, button of a PC.


I also miss the actual refresh button. Finding it within the address bar can be annoying.

[Ramesh]

oh, i just remembered another one... mouse-over links does not display the URL anywhere...

It shows me on the bottom.

http://img.skitch.com/20090225-b2xw5idjm65skwtk9ix5skmpfd.jpg

[Ramesh]

I actually miss the easy, full screen, button of a PC.


I also miss the actual refresh button. Finding it within the address bar can be annoying.

command + R is your friend, buddy. :)

[Youngbinks]

Whoa Ram. Using ADDam's alley shot as well?

[Ramesh]

Whoa Ram. Using ADDam's alley shot as well?

Yea, good eye. :)

[Youngbinks]

Yea, good eye. :)

It kind of bugged me out. For a minute I was wondering how you got a screenshot of my screen.

Also, I've had the Mac for nearly a year now and never knew of the Command+R.

[Ramesh]

It kind of bugged me out. For a minute I was wondering how you got a screenshot of my screen.

Also, I've had the Mac for nearly a year now and never knew of the Command+R.

An old thread, but it has some pretty cool info in it.

http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/macbook-pro/cool-mac-tricks-27782.html

[psylichon]

Fullscreen? What? Are we back in the 90's? That's the last time I used full screen - when it first came out. You use that a lot?

I'm referring to a maximized Window, not "fullscreen mode". The taskbar when hidden should override any maximized window so you can, ya know, get back to it.

oh, i just remembered another one... mouse-over links does not display the URL anywhere...

Oh yeah, forgot about that one! I miss it too.

It shows me on the bottom.

http://img.skitch.com/20090225-b2xw5idjm65skwtk9ix5skmpfd.jpg

It doesn't for me...

Edit: ctrl-/ to show/hide status bar.

[Ramesh]

I'm referring to a maximized Window, not "fullscreen mode". The taskbar when hidden should override any maximized window so you can, ya know, get back to it.



Oh yeah, forgot about that one! I miss it too.



It doesn't for me...

Settings, or preferences, and show status bar.

[acosmichippo]

It shows me on the bottom.

http://img.skitch.com/20090225-b2xw5idjm65skwtk9ix5skmpfd.jpg

i don't have a statusbar down there... is that in preferences somewhere?

[Ramesh]

For macs:
http://img.skitch.com/20090225-pr83b5kxg27t927wfgu8qddnkc.jpg

It's a little different on the pc though.

[psylichon]

Edit: ctrl-/ to show/hide status bar.


Solved my taskbar problem, too. Still, it shouldn't behave that way when hidden.

[acosmichippo]

cool... although i prefer it hidden. oh well.

[Ramesh]

Yea, I gotta have my status bar. That was the first thing I enabled when I switched over.

[psylichon]

Doesn't matter, I spoke too soon, taskbar problem exists. Oh well, that's enough chatting in this thread for a bit :)

[Ramesh]

Doesn't matter, I spoke too soon, taskbar problem exists. Oh well, that's enough chatting in this thread for a bit :)

Me too, I'm out for the count. Hasta.

[acosmichippo]

i don't like it. I used a plugin in firefox that displayed link urls in the address bar on mouseover.

[acosmichippo]

another HUGE complaint.

http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html

Middle-Click Pan and Scroll
In Windows, scroll vertically and horizontally through a web page by moving your mouse. Click the middle mouse button to enable the feature, then move the mouse in any direction to pan through the web content. Middle-click a second time to return to the normal mouse mode.


no Mac support? WTF???

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

For those of you that may use Hotmail, the Safari 4 Beta has problems with it, such as not being able to delete emails or select different mailboxes.

A temporary workaround is to select /preferences/advanced, then select "Show develop menu in menu bar." Open the develop menu, select User Agent, then choose Firefox 3.0.5.

It's not elegant,, but it seems to work for the time being.

[jagxk]

I downloaded it this morning on my MacBook and tried to use it for a couple of hours. It crashed several times and locked up one time. The coverflow thing is neat, but not really beneficial to me. It also seemed to slow down my downloading. I just finished uninstalling.
l


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[acosmichippo]

Are you using the windows or OSX version?

[jagxk]

The OSx version

[drumthrasher109]

I LOVE Safari 4! It's MUCH better than Firefox 3, even on Windows!

I made a nice little writeup of it here, as well as making a HD YouTube video of Safari: http://is.gd/kJdI

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

And Safari 4 benchmarks *much* faster than the latest version of Firefox.

I just wish that Safari would let you open links to URLs in new tabs instead of new windows. I don't want to have to use Ctrl-T to forcibly open a tab. Firefox lets me do this without a problem.

But besides this and the previous post I made about Safari 4 Beta and Hotmail, it doesn't seem too bad at all.

[Ramesh]

And Safari 4 benchmarks *much* faster than the latest version of Firefox.

I just wish that Safari would let you open links to URLs in new tabs instead of new windows. I don't want to have to use Ctrl-T to forcibly open a tab. Firefox lets me do this without a problem.

But besides this and the previous post I made about Safari 4 Beta and Hotmail, it doesn't seem too bad at all.

Ctrl + clicking on the link will open in a tab.

[Ramesh]

Hippo -

have fun:

http://observationpoint.org/articles/2009/02/24/hidden-preferences-in-safari-4-public-beta/

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Ctrl + clicking on the link will open in a tab.

Whoops - I meant to say that instead of Ctrl+T...

The point is, I don't want to have to do that. I prefer Firefox's way opening opening links in new tabs without having to take any additional action. I know, I know - go back to using Firefox, right? I'm trying give Safari 4 Beta a chance (I realize it's a beta, too). As a matter of fact, I'm posting from Safari 4 Beta right now...

[Ramesh]

Whoops - I meant to say that instead of Ctrl+T...

The point is, I don't want to have to do that. I prefer Firefox's way opening opening links in new tabs without having to take any additional action. I know, I know - go back to using Firefox, right? I'm trying give Safari 4 Beta a chance (I realize it's a beta, too). As a matter of fact, I'm posting from Safari 4 Beta right now...

Ah, gotcha. I get I got used to ctrl + clicking from IE7. So to me, it's second nature. Even on my macs, I'm very used to command clicking for new tabs.

[psylichon]

No matter what web browser I'm using, I've gotten in the habit of ctrl-clicking for new tab and shift-clicking for a new window. You get used to it.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Heh - you also get used to not having to do it in Firefox...:smile:

[psylichon]

I don't like having to remember which sites pop out to another window and which ones link inline. So I just force it myself.

[monkeysrock0622]

Heh - you also get used to not having to do it in Firefox...:smile:
Yah same here, but I switched from Google Chrome.

They are both very similar, but i like the Mac look of Safari. Thats why i used it in the first place. I love the Top Sites feature too, and the top tabs wouldnt bug me as much if they would blend in with the rest of the browser (Windows version)

[GSA190]

Quit yer whinin'...it's BETA.
Don't you think the beta should run for more than 5 minutes regardless of it being a beta?

[monkeysrock0622]

Don't you think the beta should run for more than 5 minutes regardless of it being a beta?
For MOST of the population, yes. But there are always the few users who have some special condition that makes the beta crap to them. Im sure Apple will fix it. Just report the bug to them.

[mitchellm4]

i just downloaded it for pc. one thing that i hate, im not sure if its just for me, but it takes around 15 or so seconds for safari to start(firefox starts immediately). plus, everything on safari is just kinda slow. i do like the top sites and the cover flow. i cant of anything else right now, if i find more i will share

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

i just downloaded it for pc. one thing that i hate, im not sure if its just for me, but it takes around 15 or so seconds for safari to start(firefox starts immediately). plus, everything on safari is just kinda slow. i do like the top sites and the cover flow. i cant of anything else right now, if i find more i will share

I find that the Safari 4 Beta loads and runs very fast on my PC. I'm comparing to the latest version of Firefox.

[acosmichippo]

does anyone else think the caching is really lousy?

[iHuman]

For those of you that want some old safari features on the new beta, open terminal (application) and run any of these strings from this link (http://swedishcampground.com/safari-4-hidden-preferences).

I tired last night with a simple copy and paste into terminal and moved my tab bar. I think there is an option for windows too.

I don't usually use terminal, but this was very simple.

Hope that helps.

[sim]

Well....the new Beta is awesome!

Getting there was another story.

I hadn't updated to 10.5.6 yet so I had to do that. But first I had put back in my aftermarket ram that gotten taken out by Apple when I had my logic board issues. The update turned into about 1.5 hours on the phone with the nice Applecare folks and finally narrowing it down to issues with the ram. Took the ram out and put the factory stuff back in and we're good to go!

The new Safari is frickin' faster than heck!

Good stuff!

Steve

[Ramesh]

So far, still so good. Nothing to complain about here.

[acosmichippo]

there are a few details that REALLY annoy me, and quite honestly, may push me back toward Firefox, but only time will tell. I think i'll stick with it through the beta process, but if some of them aren't improved by general release, i may jump ship.

[iHuman]

My biggest issue with FF was the lack of support for the multitouch track pad. I found the latest beta of that which had multipad support, but there were a lot of bugs, so I went back to Safari. I'll stick with Safari as all my bookmarks sync to the phone easily too.

[PDACPA]

I just downloaded it last night, so not much use. I am hoping that they fixed the mobile me home page that never remembers my login and password (yes I checked the box) and kept it from refreshing constantly which always seemed to happen while entering a new appointment (which means you had to totally reenter it).

[Ramesh]

I just downloaded it last night, so not much use. I am hoping that they fixed the mobile me home page that never remembers my login and password (yes I checked the box) and kept it from refreshing constantly which always seemed to happen while entering a new appointment (which means you had to totally reenter it).

I've had the appointment problem on chrome, IE, and safari. I think it's a MM thing.

[acosmichippo]

Has anyone else tried the multi-touch zoom (pinching)?

For me it's basically useless. No matter how little I try to pinch, it always expands to the max, or compresses to the minimum.

I REALLY want to like this, but they're making it tough.

Yes, I know it's still a beta.

[iHuman]

Has anyone else tried the multi-touch zoom (pinching)?

For me it's basically useless. No matter how little I try to pinch, it always expands to the max, or compresses to the minimum.

I REALLY want to like this, but they're making it tough.

Yes, I know it's still a beta.


It has been a little too sensitive for me as well. A quick "apple + 0" returns the zoom to normal size. I am starting to dig keyboard shortcuts more and more each day.

[Youngbinks]

I've had issues with the pinch to zoom as well. It is a bit extreme but hopefully will be fixed after the Beta.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Well, I just gave up the Safari Beta 4 experiment. I realize it's a beta, but there are just too many niggling issues for me to use this on a daily basis.

[Ramesh]

Am I the only one without problems? It works like 3.0 for me, but enhanced.

[coasts]

Am I the only one without problems? It works like 3.0 for me, but enhanced.

i'm using it at home and in the office, and find it more stable on my pc than on my macbook. i've had no issues at work, and only few at home.

[acosmichippo]

Am I the only one without problems? It works like 3.0 for me, but enhanced.

i don't have any problems, per se', but just a collection of "features" (or lack thereof) that annoy me.

[Youngbinks]

I've only had it crash once but I do get the spinning rainbow a couple of times a day.

[acosmichippo]

i don't know if any of you guys know about this, but i found an add-on called Glims (http://www.machangout.com/) that contains a lot of nice UI tweaks:


Adds thumbnails to Google.com search results
Adds thumbnails to Yahoo.com search results
Adds search engines to the default Google search tab
Adds full-screen browsing capability
Adds Favicons to tab labels
Adds keyword search from address bar
Undo "Close Tab" (cmd-z)
Re-opens last session when Safari starts
Auto-Closes download window
Adds new tab position option (right/left/leftmost/rightmost)
Adds tab closing using middle mouse button
Focus last selected tab
Always open links in a new tab
Type-ahead support (auto cmd-f)
Sets the focus on the search field when opening a new window
Adds Amazon's information banner on Google.com search results
Adds Amazon's information banner on Yahoo.com search results
Adds a "Max Window Size" menu item to resize the Safari window
Forms autocomplete always on
Autocomplete search phrase
Adds bookmark separator
Adds bookmark actions
Dated download folders
Localized to Japanese, French, Greek, German, Spanish, Italian, and Korean

[Ramesh]

I'll check it out tomorrow. Thanks.

[drumthrasher109]

Those features aren't even in Safari 4? Why is Apple so behind?

And for some reason, the Top Sites that I manually add and pin down aren't staying when I open a new window. Anyone know the problem?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Those features aren't even in Safari 4? Why is Apple so behind?

And for some reason, the Top Sites that I manually add and pin down aren't staying when I open a new window. Anyone know the problem?

It's not Firefox? :smile:

[acosmichippo]

Those features aren't even in Safari 4? Why is Apple so behind?

And for some reason, the Top Sites that I manually add and pin down aren't staying when I open a new window. Anyone know the problem?

I don't understand what you mean by "aren't staying when I open a new window"... Could you elaborate?

[drumthrasher109]

I can manually add a website to Top Sites, but it won't actually stay there when I open Safari (like a new window or a new tab). I have it pinned down and everything. Some of the ones I manually added (from a long time ago) work just fine.

[acosmichippo]

Hmm... Are you clicking the "done" button after you edit the top sites page?

[drumthrasher109]

Yes...
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[Lincoln]

Okay, I've been out of the loop for a few weeks due to enormous amounts of homework each night and me reinstalling my MacBook's OS, so I haven't really gotten to try out Safari 4 until today. So far, I love it - 1Password still works with it, I actually like the new tabs, and the UI is great. I have one question, though - is it possible to restore the loading progress in the URL bar? That's something I've always really liked about Safari, and not being able to see any kind of progress irks me.

[acosmichippo]

yep:............

Hippo -

have fun:

http://observationpoint.org/articles/2009/02/24/hidden-preferences-in-safari-4-public-beta/

[eye-Fone]

I haven't yet tried this Safari beta. I'm debating whether to try it or not. I'm currently happy with Chrome (on Windows Vista).

For those that are using Safari 4 Beta:

1) When did it first become available?

2) How often has Apple updated it (v4) since you started the beta?

3) Does anyone have a guess as to when it may become a full release version?

Thanks!

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iPhone 3G (16GB, white, v2.2.1, jailbroken)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9670/eicthankssigk.jpg

[drumthrasher109]

1. Feb. 24 (I believe).

2. They haven't.

3. Probably during WWDC 09 (is my guess).

[acosmichippo]

hey, what does the star mean? new content on that page?

http://img.skitch.com/20090401-f8ttp2iwg5qt8jwghuetsjacb6.png

[impaler]

Yes, the star means new.

[acosmichippo]

figured as much. too bad it doesn't work very well.

[impaler]

B-E-T-A. Beta. Remember that. Patience young grasshopper. :-)

[acosmichippo]

i know. i've been remembering for a month.

[psylichon]

Hey, Gmail's still in beta.

[acosmichippo]

yeah, so after a month of using Safari 4 beta almost exclusively, i think i've gotten pretty used to it. There are a couple of things that really annoy me.

So that means tomorrow i'm going to go back to firefox. If it still feels "like home", then i'm gonna stick with it (at least until Safari 4 final release). If not, then i'll have to weigh the +s/-s.

[psylichon]

The biggest reason I don't use Safari 4 now is because, maximized, it obscures a hidden taskbar in Windows XP. It's the little things with me.

That and plugins. Sometimes it's the big things, too.

[acosmichippo]

yep... you can make firefox into anything you want. hard to compete with that.