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frankyfingerz
12-23-2008, 06:10 AM
http://88.80.13.160/wiki/Why_Apple_Won%27t_Allow_Adobe_Flash_on_iPhone

By Brian X. Chen (Wired News)
Don't hold your breath waiting for the iPhone to support Adobe's Flash software: Apple's terms-of-service agreement prohibits it.
Although Adobe says it is working on a version of its popular Flash player for the iPhone, Apple is unlikely ever to permit it to appear in the handset's App Store, no matter how much customers want it.
"I'm pretty skeptical that Flash could be implemented in a way that doesn't violate the Terms of Service of the developer's agreement," said Bart Decrem, CEO of Tapulous, developer of the popular Tap Tap Revenge iPhone game.
Flash is Adobe's highly popular platform for displaying interactive graphics, animations and multimedia within a browser. According to Adobe, 98 percent of desktop computers currently support Flash, which has led to its widespread use by web developers. Adobe's recent announcement that it is working on a version of Flash for Windows Mobile has prompted speculation that an iPhone version might be coming soon. But the speculators may be waiting in vain, based on Apple's TOS and the company's history of tightly controlling applications for its smartphone platform.
Allowing Flash — which is a development platform of its own — would just be too dangerous for Apple, a company that enjoys exerting total dominance over its hardware and the software that runs on it. Flash has evolved from being a mere animation player into a multimedia platform capable of running applications of its own. That means Flash would open a new door for application developers to get their software onto the iPhone: Just code them in Flash and put them on a web page. In so doing, Flash would divert business from the App Store, as well as enable publishers to distribute music, videos and movies that could compete with the iTunes Store.
Apple's well aware of these problems, which is why the company wrote a clause in its iPhone developers' Terms of Service agreement (.pdf) that prohibits Flash from appearing on the iPhone:
"An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise," reads clause 3.3.2 of the iPhone SDK agreement, which was recently published on WikiLeaks. "No interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s)."
This could come as major disappointment to iPhone owners, as the lack of Flash support has been a paramount complaint about the handset since its release. No Flash means that the iPhone browser is incapable of displaying a large portion of the internet. For example, free Flash games aren't supported, videos can't be streamed from the vastly popular television and movie site Hulu, and websites that use Flash to render content or navigation won't work on the iPhone.
It's no wonder Adobe is expressing reluctance about the prospects of Flash for iPhone. The company on Monday demonstrated a version of Flash for Windows Mobile handsets. And all that product manager Michele Turner could say about iPhone was, "We are working on Flash on the iPhone, but it is really up to Apple."
Adam Dann, CEO of Nullriver, agrees that Flash would take away some of Apple's control. Apple eventually banned Nullriver's application NetShare because it violated AT&T Terms of Service agreement by turning the iPhone into a wireless modem for tethering. If Apple introduced Flash to iPhone, it's possible Nullriver could code a Flash version of NetShare, repeating that violation, Dann said.
Dann added that the only way Flash could ever appear on the iPhone is if Adobe offered an extremely stripped-down version of the software. But even if there is a "Flash Lite" for iPhone, that just reinforces the point that the handset's owners still will not have a true Flash experience.
And aside from taking software control away from Apple, Flash would introduce a slew of other potential headaches as well. Flash apps could hurt battery life, suck up the graphics-processing unit's power, use an inordinate amount of memory, or potentially introduce security risks. Apple has plenty of customer complaints to address about the iPhone; the last thing it needs is to add Adobe and Flash to the pile.
In August, Britain's Advertising Standards Authority pulled an iPhone advertisement because the commercial said, "All the parts of the internet are on the iPhone." The lack of Flash and Java support on iPhone were enough for the ad to be deemed misleading. And it's looking like Apple won't be able to air that ad again.
Apple did not return phone calls for comment.
First appeared in Wired (http://wired.com/). Thanks to Wired and the author for covering this document. Copyright remains with the aforementioned. Contact wired.com for reprint rights.

BigCiX
12-23-2008, 02:03 PM
If flash isn't available for the next iPhone I'm going to wait out my contract and jump over to verizon to get the storm. Hopefully bb will allow it.

fury
12-23-2008, 04:56 PM
I don't agree with the reasoning in that article. You can make all sorts of web apps that sure look pretty, and might work well enough, but they just aren't the same as native apps, and never will be. The same goes for flash. Flash is pretty cool, but it's no replacement for native code. It will never be a replacement for the apps flooding in from the App Store.

Safari's sandbox can effectively limit the damage a malicious Flash application can do.

The only concerns are really the performance and the thumbs-up from Apple. Adobe has to make use of the 3d chipset for as much as it can, because that ARM processor isn't going to be able to do much with the flash apps if it has to manually do up the graphics too.

All Apple has to worry about once Flash is on the iPhone is the rush of new people who were waiting for it to get Flash. It can only be good for them.

BigCiX
12-23-2008, 11:06 PM
apple is just to high on it's horse

WPeterson
12-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Adobe won't grant Flash on iPhone, but we can try to develop something. I see someone made applications with Flash Lite (http://vilebody.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/porting-flash-lite-to-the-iphone-rock-werchter-mobile/). And I just guess it's good to try Flash Lite on iPhone by ourselves without Adobe and Apple. But for taking full advantages of Adobe Flash, we still have a long way to go. Maybe in 5 years, Apple will change its mind, right?

flabyboy
12-24-2008, 12:59 PM
With or without Flash, the iphone is still the best smartphone on the market. I have a feeling flash on the iphone would cause a lot of crashes and memory problems. There are people ou there that are having significant reception issues and battery problems. I can understand why people would be upset about those things because they are an essential part of a phone. I wish people would just stop whining about these little things and just enjoy what they have. glass half full or glass half empty??

Skol312000
12-24-2008, 01:58 PM
With or without Flash, the iphone is still the best smartphone on the market. I have a feeling flash on the iphone would cause a lot of crashes and memory problems. There are people ou there that are having significant reception issues and battery problems. I can understand why people would be upset about those things because they are an essential part of a phone. I wish people would just stop whining about these little things and just enjoy what they have. glass half full or glass half empty??



Fan boy over there defending apple like their his daddy! Dude. It lacks common **** that my old nokia had. But it is a great phone. But dont say best! Who r you to categorize things... Stfu

styfle
12-24-2008, 05:29 PM
Fan boy over there defending apple like their his daddy! Dude. It lacks common **** that my old nokia had. But it is a great phone. But dont say best! Who r you to categorize things... Stfu
lolz at the wannabe 13375P33K

You're flaming someone for saying the iphone is the best phone on a site called EVERTHINGICAFE. I suggest you take your comments with you elsewhere.

Skol312000
12-24-2008, 05:34 PM
Im flaming the typical dumbass apple fanboy. I own several apple product but i do t have to be their whore but doing either i flamed because a nobody categorized something. There is no "the best" in anything. But im still loving the iphone but **** apple for their charging schemes and money attentioned @&$!

chazm
12-24-2008, 05:55 PM
I am by far no apple fan boy, the iPhone is my only apple product, and I can honestly say that the iPhone is the best phone out there, IMHO. I have owned and used many smartphones, and yes the storm too, and nothing beats this phone.

Back to the topic, it would be nice to have flash but it not a deal breaker for me

Picazzo
12-26-2008, 07:05 AM
There are too many Flash website out there for Apple to say NO!

I know Apple have a problem: "Flash would divert business from the App Store, as well as enable publishers to distribute music, videos and movies that could compete with the iTunes Store".

But Apple should be able to find a workaround here - or the experience in the Safaribrowser will be reduced.

flabyboy
12-29-2008, 06:54 PM
Fan boy over there defending apple like their his daddy! Dude. It lacks common **** that my old nokia had. But it is a great phone. But dont say best! Who r you to categorize things... Stfu
This is my first and only apple product so I am not an Apple fanboy. However, I am a fan of the iphone. I have had windows mobile phones as well. They may be able to do a few things different than the iphone (MMS, copy paste, flash), but it is MY OPINION that the iphone is the best music player, phone, internet bowser and game console to come in one package. Please take a pill and relax

Picazzo
12-29-2008, 07:47 PM
LOL....let's look around the internet and see all these test and reviews by the pro..non-apple-fans, how give the iPhone toprates. iPhone isn't the best tech piece ever made, but it's for very popular! All these complains about missing mms, copy/paste, flash etc...just take a look on all these other mobile/smartphones, and what they're missing - I would have to guess there is missing something too!?

Questionmark
01-01-2009, 03:10 PM
is there a 'adobe flash equivalent' in cydia/installer?

hustle
01-02-2009, 10:52 AM
imobilecinema in cydia flash for the iphone alternative. happy new year

StarUK
01-05-2009, 05:03 PM
I personally will be glad when my contract has expire I hate the iPhone and all Apple restriction, who do they think they are. My friends all are waiting to do the same that will be 27 iPhone thrown in the bin or off loaded to some idiot.

iGreggy
01-08-2009, 07:49 PM
Back to the topic, it would be nice to have flash but it not a deal breaker for me

Couldnt agree more. There are times when I do really miss flash on the iPhone but I get along fine without it.

Its a want, not a must.

Skol312000
01-19-2009, 01:49 PM
I want some flash.... This is not the real internet in my Safari.....Dumb apple. That bite of the Apple in the logo is where Flash wouldve been... They just bit off "flash support"

daddyd302
01-25-2009, 08:36 AM
I'm still waiting for flash support.....I get the feeling it'll be on the next version iphone..