NextGeniPhone: Predictions on New Hardware & Release Dates.

[Indy]

You gotta be faster than that sonny! :D And yes, I agree it is pretty exciting! Can't believe we're only 2 days after the 3.0 announcement and the rumors are being flung at us left and right about new hardware! Last year things didn't get hot until around mid April. Doesn't matter to me though, I love it, give me some news everyday! :D

[acosmichippo]

Funny how the netbook rumor never dies.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Apple already has a netbook; it's called the MacBook Air.

[Indy]

I feel the same way about a tablet hippo. Too big to pocket and too small to use as a laptop. Sounds to me like a couch potato toy. :D iPhone FTW!

[Indy]

Confirmed. Empty those shelves people! :tounge:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/atandt-confirms-contract-free-599-699-iphone-3gs-for-next-week/

[Indy]

IntoMobile pretty much re-hashing yesterday's news but still a interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/nextgeneration-iphone-pack-multicore-graphics-processing.html

The next-generation iPhone is starting to generate a significant wave of hype - and it hasn’t even been announced yet. Such is the game that Apple (NSDQ: AAPL (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=AAPL)) and its fan-base love to play.
Rumors are swirling around the intertubes (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-30-include-video-recording.html)that hint (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/iphone-hardware-dug-os-30-code.html) at all sorts of high-tech features (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/gen-iphones-oled-displays-lg.html)being crammed into the next hardware iteration of the iPhone. From OLED displays (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/gen-iphones-oled-displays-lg.html) to larger on-board storage (http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/23/apple-iphone-hd-spotted-online.html), next-gen iPhone rumors are as wide-ranging as they are uncertain. And, to add to that pile of uncertainty, we’re hearing that Apple might be including multi-core graphics processing in the future iPhone.

Multi-core iPhone?

A multi-core iPhone has been rumored since Apple acquired fabless chip design firm PA Semi (http://www.intomobile.com/2008/05/01/apple-making-iphone-into-gaming-graphics-powerhouse-pa-semi-acquisition-hints-at-in-house-chip-design.html). And, Apple’s continuing work on Grand Central technology (http://www.intomobile.com/2008/06/11/apple-to-put-pa-semi-chips-to-work-in-iphone.html) - which allows for more efficient multi-core processing - only adds fuel to the speculation that a future iPhone will support true parallel processing.
Apple’s acquisition of PA Semi highlights the fruit-company’s intention to keep their chip-architecture strictly in-house, allowing them to distinguish the iPhone from the rest of the smartphone market on both hardware (custom chips) and software (iPhone OS) fronts. By designing their own processors, Apple can design chips that are custom-tailored to take advantage of Apple’s advances in parallel processing like Grand Central.
With PA Semi able to design multi-core system-on-chip processors, Apple needs only contract Samsung to stamp out the silicon before putting it into the next-generation iPhone. It’s still speculation, but a multi-core iPhone sure does sound like a logical roadmap for Apple to follow. In fact, we’re almost expecting Apple to launch a multi-core iPhone in the future (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/04/is-apple-working-on-a-next-gen-iphone-with-customized-multi-core-chips.html).

What about multi-core graphics?

The multi-core processors in our imaginary future iPhone will handle all the number-crunching for most tasks, but what about graphics processing? Imagination Technologies, the same company that licensed their PowerVR SGX graphics architecture to Apple, has announced a new PowerVR SGX design with support for multiple cores. The new PowerVR SGX543MP graphics processor should deliver “high-performance console and computing devices” in highly mobile packages - like the iPhone.
This is where things get interesting.
Imagination is already in cahoots with Apple, so it’s not hard to see the new SGX design making it into a future iPhone. The multi-core graphics processor has the potential to increase graphics-crunching performance while also increasing efficiency, turning the iPhone into a seriously capable graphics processing powerhouse (http://www.intomobile.com/2008/05/01/apple-making-iphone-into-gaming-graphics-powerhouse-pa-semi-acquisition-hints-at-in-house-chip-design.html). But, throwing pixels and calculating vectors isn’t all a multi-core GPU is good for.
Multi-core processors are amazingly good at crunching through bite-sized chunks of data. The hard part is splitting big data pieces into the chewable chunks that a multi-core GPU can devour. To that end, Apple is developing an interesting parallel graphics processing technology known as OpenCL (http://www.intomobile.com/2008/07/22/apple-opencl-to-bring-gpu-parallel-processing-to-iphone.html). The OpenCL technology chops up data into GPU-sized portions which allows, and this is important, the GPU (the PowerVR SGX processor) to take over traditional processing tasks. Using OpenCL, the iPhone could use a multi-core GPU as a super-efficient processor for much of the iPhone’s processing needs.

Multi-core CPU, multi-core GPU, or both?

So what’s it going to be? Will the future iPhone sport a multi-core CPU mated to a single graphics core? Will it have both multi-core CPU and GPU? Or will the multi-core GPU be Apple’s secret weapon in parallel processing?
We can’t say for sure. But, given Imagination’s new PowerVR SGX architecture, a parallel processing GPU seems like a strong possibility.

Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX543MP (http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=449)

[acosmichippo]

definitely interesting. OpenCL is a big part of the upcoming Snow Leopard, so it's not some hypothetical future technology... it's ready.

[Lincoln]

There's no way a new phone's not on the horizon. Check it out.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/

[acosmichippo]

sweet. i knew my dream would come true.

http://www.fashionablysafe.com/618-iprod-lg.jpg

[Indy]

Electronista.com | Next iPhone to Carry Faster 3G? | http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/

Apple's next iPhone (http://macnn.com/rd/126089==http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/12/matte.iphone.leak/) should have improved Internet access (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/#), SAI claims. A "plugged-in" tipster in the cellular business has told (http://macnn.com/rd/126090==http://www.businessinsider.com/next-gen-iphone-rumor-faster-internet-speeds-2009-3) the publication that a "significantly faster" connection will be part of the update without mentioning other details. It's not known whether the unnamed insider is alluding to the cellular access or to Wi-Fi, either of which is potentially upgradeable with the update.
However, the most likely change is the addition of support for speed-doubled 7.2Mbps 3G (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/#) given both hardware manufacturer and carrier plans. Infineon should have a new 3G chipset (http://macnn.com/rd/126091==http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/05/31/infineon.xmm.6180.3g.chip/) starting from mid-year that would support the faster speeds while also improving battery life. At the same time, AT&T has been trialing 7.2Mbps 3G (http://macnn.com/rd/126092==http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/12/18/att.tests.7mbps.3g/) since late 2008 and should roll out the speedier service this year. The provider has stressed that many of its cell towers can be upgraded solely through software rather than new equipment.

Current iPhones are limited in hardware to 3.6Mbps 3G and couldn't themselves be upgraded.

If Wi-Fi is improved, a potential candidate is a new Broadcom 802.11 chipset (http://macnn.com/rd/126093==http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/12/08/broadcom.bcm4329/) that would provide real Wi-Fi speeds of up to 50Mbps (versus 25Mbps for typical 802.11g) in addition to Bluetooth with support for wireless (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/#) stereo audio.

[acosmichippo]

that would be amazing.

i want my v3 already, dammit!

[Youngbinks]

Dang an improved internet connection would be awesome. Double the speed...again?

[acosmichippo]

7.2Mbps would make it about 5x faster than my Sprint Aircard (my home's internet connection that averages about 1.5Mbps)... bring on the tethering!

[Youngbinks]

7.2Mbps would make it about 5x faster than my Sprint Aircard (my home's internet connection that averages about 1.5Mbps)... bring on the tethering!

Dang that is intense. What would be the price limit you would be willing to pay for tethering?

Also, I know this question doesn't likely have an answer but what about people that got NetShare? I will not start to pay for tethering since I legitimately paid for the Application that could do it for free. Who knows.

[acosmichippo]

depends... i've heard there is actually a limit of 5GB/month on the unlimited data plan, and i would exceed that easily. If that is true, then i don't think i'd pay more than $10/month more for tethering.

hopefully sprint is upgrading to this 7.2Mbps system also...

[up10ad]

depends... i've heard there is actually a limit of 5GB/month on the unlimited data plan, and i would exceed that easily. If that is true, then i don't think i'd pay more than $10/month more for tethering.
That just sounds wrong. On my online AT&T page it kinda clearly says unlimited:
Text/IM Messaging https://www.wireless.att.com/olam/English/images/shim.gif
Used 112 of 1500

Internet/MEdia Net - UNLIMITED
Used 24.33MB of Unlimited

[psylichon]

Yeah, but that's not tethering. AT&T looks at it differently than regular data usage.

[up10ad]

Yeah, but that's not tethering. AT&T looks at it differently than regular data usage.I see. Does anyone know the details of the current AT&T tethering data plan?

[acosmichippo]

That is only what I've heard; not tested or confirmed.

[psylichon]

I see. Does anyone know the details of the current AT&T tethering data plan?


Check it out:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp

5GB seems to be the magic number.

[Eragon]

Check it out:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp

5GB seems to be the magic number.

This has got to be one the most annoying, but commonly brought up question. If something is truly unlimited, then clearly state the obvious!

I believe Rick is correct. I only have one data point of going over 5Gb data on my iPhone :tounge:, and nothing happened. Of course, data speeds appear to have been ratcheted down at the location where I had been using most of my data. I even called AT&T on that one to see if a flag had been put on my account as a data hog. Nope. Just typical 3G coverage in Md.

For cell phones, 5 Gb really is a lot of data. I expect as speeds increase, and applications become more data-intensive, our data use will go up as well. The real data hogs, however, are your cellular modems. A laptop streaming video all day and night, or acting as a server, can chomp down 5 Gb easily.

[Indy]

Read this from AppleInsider.com, they covered the story pretty well with links to the past. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/apples_2009_iphone_to_support_faster_3g_networks_r eport.html

[acosmichippo]

This has got to be one the most annoying, but commonly brought up question. If something is truly unlimited, then clearly state the obvious!

I believe Rick is correct. I only have one data point of going over 5Gb data on my iPhone :tounge:, and nothing happened. Of course, data speeds appear to have been ratcheted down at the location where I had been using most of my data. I even called AT&T on that one to see if a flag had been put on my account as a data hog. Nope. Just typical 3G coverage in Md.

For cell phones, 5 Gb really is a lot of data. I expect as speeds increase, and applications become more data-intensive, our data use will go up as well. The real data hogs, however, are your cellular modems. A laptop streaming video all day and night, or acting as a server, can chomp down 5 Gb easily.

Right. We're not talking about data usage on the iphone. We're talking about the usage of a tethered iPhone, which is (for all intents and purposes) a cellular modem.

That is why I say I'd be bummed if a tethering plan were limited to 5gb/month.

[Indy]

Apple's next gen iPhone has Video Camera. Source (supposedly) confirmed.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.htm l

Apple this year will finally introduce video recording capabilities on at least one of its upcoming iPhone models, AppleInsider has been told.

An iPhone with a video cam

Details are few and far between, but the information comes from a person who's proven extremely reliable when predicting changes to the Cupertino-based company's hardware offerings.

At this time, there's no information to suggest that video recording support will be available through anything other than a upgraded rear-facing camera that will, of course, also take still photos at a higher resolution.

The addition, however, is reportedly just one of several hardware related tweaks that will surface in iPhone revisions due sometime between late spring and early fall. Another, that same person says, will be a significant boost to gaming hardware (likely via Imagination's new multi-core PowerVR chips (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/18/iphone_graphics_may_get_multiprocessor_performance _upgrade.html)).

Video recording support has stood as one of the most glaring omissions from the iPhone since its inception two years ago, but the understanding is that Apple wants to get the feature "right."

Supporting evidence

Possibly supporting these most recent claims is a screenshot from the beta of iPhone Software 3.0 published by (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-publish-video-and-find-my-iphone-found-in-os-3-0/) Engadget earlier this week. It shows a MobileMe panel for uploading images conspicuously titled "Publish Video."

While the gadget publication speculates that this may be nothing more than an interesting typo, AppleInsider was informed of Apple's plans to include video support on the next-generation iPhone hardware shortly before Tuesday's introduction of the 3.0 software, and therefore believes the reference is significant and further evidence to this end.

Supporting video on 3G networks

Word of Apple's mobile video plans arrives alongside claims that the upcoming iPhone revisions will support faster Internet speeds (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/apples_2009_iphone_to_support_faster_3g_networks_r eport.html) -- a likely precursor to facilitating transmissions of video files over third-generation mobile networks.

For its part, exclusive U.S. iPhone service provider AT&T confirmed during a communications conference last May that it had a HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) 3G network up and running in the labs at speeds of 7.2 megabits per second, or approximately twice the theoretical throughput of its existing network.

At the same conference, the carrier's mobile chief Ralph de la Vega said AT&T planned to transition to HSPA release 7 sometime in 2009, which would deliver even faster speeds (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/05/14/att_to_boost_3g_speeds_more_than_fivefold_by_2009. html) "exceeding 20 megabits per second."

He said the upgrade would require few if any hardware modifications to the company's infrastructure and would instead be a smooth transition achieved largely through a software upgrade to its electronics.

Software support

Should Apple's video plans for the next-gen iPhone remain intact, it's believed the capability would see support through a new "Movies" iPhone app that would provide rudimentary editing support akin to the audio trimming capabilities of the company's upcoming Voice Memos iPhone application (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/17/iphone_os_3_0_first_impressions_and_photos.html).

The same application would presumably allow users to email their movie clips to friends and family members, or send them via MMS messages.

Video as a high end feature

Though largely speculative at best, it's possible that Apple could market video recording capabilities as a premium feature available only through a high-end model.

ArsTechnica on Thursday discovered references (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/more-evidence-arises-for-future-iphone-models-in-latest-beta.ars) to four unknown multi-touch handheld products in resource files included with this week's iPhone Software 3.0 beta, including "iPhone 3,1." The reference joins discoveries earlier this year of an "iPhone 2,1 (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/28/evidence_shows_apple_testing_next_gen_iphone.html)" product in the resources of iPhone Software 2.0.

Neither reference is tied to a shipping product, and both identifiers suggest iPhone models with distinguishing hardware features, meaning two distinct models could be in the cards.

For example, the original iPhone identifies itself as iPhone 1,1, while the current iPhone 3G lists as iPhone 1,2, as the architectural changes between two models were relatively minor.

As with similar practices for Macs, Apple's use of 2,1 and 3,1 imply major and distinct changes. For instance, the second-generation iPod touch is listed as iPod 2,1 and includes faster internal hardware than the first-generation model called iPod 1,1.

[Indy]

I'm just posting this one to go along with at&t's latest deal on buying iPhones with no contract in the category that these deals are popping up worldwide to 'short inventory' maybe???

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/o2-offers-lower-contract-prices-for-free-iphones.ars

"it's not a stretch to see the moves as inventory reduction for a coming hardware revision expected this summer."

Here's another!

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/20/sign-iphones-coming-fido-deplete-iphone-3g-stock-starting-april.html

"Rogers (NYSE: RCI (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=RCI))’ discount carrier up in Canada, Fido, has put out some interesting news surrounding the iPhone 3G (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/20/sign-iphones-coming-fido-deplete-iphone-3g-stock-starting-april.html#). Apparently Fido is planning to discontinue sales of the 16GB iPhone model, and are gearing up to deplete their stock at the beginning of April. They will not be reordering any new iPhones once stock is gone. That is, they won’t be reordering any of the current generation iPhone devices… http://www.intomobile.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
This looks to be just another small sign that new iPhone model(s) could very well be due to hit us this summer. With carriers unloading their stock of 8GB and 16GB iPhone 3G’s… all signs are pointing to next gen iPhones (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/20/sign-iphones-coming-fido-deplete-iphone-3g-stock-starting-april.html#) coming real soon. In the meantime, there’s never been a better time to pick up an iPhone 3G, as prices are dropping fast and will probably continue to do so until stock runs dry."

[Lincoln]

Multi-processor support... 16 cores sounds good to me.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/18/iphone_graphics_may_get_multiprocessor_performance _upgrade.html

[JWiPhone]

It looks like there will be two new iPhones offered this Summer. I just hope the 'premium' iPhone will be in the $299 to $499 range. Anything beyond that will be a rather steep price to justify a purchase.

[Indy]

True 'JW'. Not much that's gonna stop me this time though. :D

[kevlar08]

It looks like there will be two new iPhones offered this Summer. I just hope the 'premium' iPhone will be in the $299 to $499 range. Anything beyond that will be a rather steep price to justify a purchase.

my guess would be that the high end would be in the current 3G price range, the low end will we in a $99 price range maybe lower. Just a guess seeing how thats the price of most other lower end phones.

[Indy]

I'm guessing (mostly agreeing with kevlar) that the current iPhone will move down to an entry level phone at $99 then a 16gb (<insert new iPhone name) at the $199 pricepoint followed by a 32gb (<insert new iPhone name) at $299.

It could cost $699 for all I care, I'm getting it, if I have to sell the kitchen sink! Ya know, if it's all right with the boss (wife) and all. :p

[JWiPhone]

That would be a great price range. I just don't want to pay $600 for a phone. :)

[Indy]

Who want's some more Juice?! :laugh2:

http://www.edibleapple.com/rumor-next-gen-iphone-to-have-innovative-battery-technology/

Rumor: Next Gen iPhone to have “innovative battery technology” (http://www.edibleapple.com/rumor-next-gen-iphone-to-have-innovative-battery-technology/)

"iPhoneHellas, a Greek iPhone site, is reporting (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.iphonehellas.gr/4772/next-generation-iphones-to-have-new-innovative-battery-technology/&ei=abLGSYCpDZXxnQeG-K3LDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.iphonehellas.gr/4772/next-generation-iphones-to-have-new-innovative-battery-technology/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DrqV) today that the next iteration of the iPhone will “feature new and innovative battery technology.“ The site claims that it received information from a reliable source, and if you recall, iPhoneHellas is the same site that predicted the launch date for the iPhone OS 2.2 software update nearly 2 weeks in advance. While that’s hardly enough to establish a strong track record, it’s still worth noting.

Advanced battery technology is simply the latest rumor to a growing list of rumors regarding the next generation iPhone. Just 2 days after the release of the new iPhone 3.0 SDK, developers were quick to find data strings (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/more-evidence-arises-for-future-iphone-models-in-latest-beta.ars) in the iPhone firmware which suggested a major hardware revision was in store. Building on that, AppleInsider recently reported (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.htm l), citing their own reliable source, that the next gen iPhone will include support for video recording. And if that isn’t enough to satiate your iPhone hunger, there were also reports late last week suggesting (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/) that the next iPhone model will support significantly faster Internet browsing speeds of up to 7.2Mbps. The current iPhone 3G only supports browsing speeds of up to 3.6Mbps.

Returning to the “new and innovative battery technology”, remember that it’s been nearly a year since Apple acquired P.A. Semi, a boutique microprocessor design company known for their sophisticated, and more importantly, low-power chips. As the software that people run on the iPhone becomes more CPU intensive, efficient battery life will become more of a necessity, and more importantly, a significant way to differentiate the iPhone from competitors who continue to try and deliver products that can give the iPhone a run for its money.

Battery life as a product differentiator

Eventually, the UI advantage of the iPhone over other phones will become less apparent as companies will continue to copy facets of the iPhone in addition to coming up with their own UI advancements. The buzz surrounding the yet to be released Palm Pre is evidence of this. With that in mind, Apple is betting on two factors to ensure that the iPhone maintains its competitive edge. Of course, there is the iTunes App Store, which if sales continue at their current pace, will break the 1 Billion download mark in the next 2 months or so. And second, there’s the issue of battery life. If the team and technology acquired from P.A. Semi is able to work with Apple to deliver a significantly longer lasting battery, it will obviously make it more practical to implement significant hardware improvements, in addition to satisfying users who will now be able to use their iPhones at full blast without worrying about running out of juice in 2 hours.

Apple strategy of differentiation via prolonged battery life was clearly in full effect when Apple announced a 17-inch MacBook Pro with a non-replaceable battery at this years Macworld. The result is a laptop that can run for up to 8 hours between charges, though real world testing puts the number a tad lower than that. But the underlying theme is that Apple is firmly aware of the importance of superior battery life in a marketplace when the features of competing products are continually converging. If “new and innovative” battery technology is indeed a part of the next gen iPhone, competitors will have an even tougher time of slowing the tide of the iPhone’s growing marketshare."

[acosmichippo]

i figured that was coming. With the new 17" MBP batteries, and the rumors of more powerful hardware, it's only logical they implement some some of it.

[psylichon]

For a long time there, I would have bet that the next hardware release will come in at the $199/8GB standard the 3G set, and the 3G would be sold alongside it at half price. But the more I hear about the multimedia rumors, the CPU rumors, the 3G speed rumors, the more I'm thinking this new "iPhone Pro" is going to come in a bit higher. I wouldn't be surprised now to see it at $400 for 16 and $5-600 for 32, with no 8GB option at all. That will be covered by the 3G, continuing to sell for the current price... maybe $50 off.

Now, two new products this summer seems confusing at best to me, so I don't know what to make of those rumors.

[Indy]

For a long time there, I would have bet that the next hardware release will come in at the $199/8GB standard the 3G set, and the 3G would be sold alongside it at half price. But the more I hear about the multimedia rumors, the CPU rumors, the 3G speed rumors, the more I'm thinking this new "iPhone Pro" is going to come in a bit higher. I wouldn't be surprised now to see it at $400 for 16 and $5-600 for 32, with no 8GB option at all. That will be covered by the 3G, continuing to sell for the current price... maybe $50 off.

Now, two new products this summer seems confusing at best to me, so I don't know what to make of those rumors.

I just don't think there will be a huge crowd of people waiting to spend 5-600 bucks on an iPhone. We are talking about Apple here which can amaze with their innovating products and I know version 1 owners spent around that much but as we all know, times are tough right now and people are more aware of their spending in this recession.

I guess a good trail run test will be this week sometime when the 'no-contract' iPhones deal comes about. Let's see how fast people buy a $5-600 iPhone. When was it again, March 24th, 26th? Can't remember but it's this week sometime if I recall correctly.

[/yawn] betime. :angry:

[psylichon]

Half of me doesn't want nor do I think it could be that expensive given the market, because I don't think it would sell very well.

The other half almost wants it to be soooo good that it justifies that sort of cost. You know, some features that really just put it over the top in the marketplace so my wife doesn't have to ask me every day "so what is it exactly that your new iPhone does that mine and your old one don't? I want to be able to whip it out, take some HD video of her, and for her to say "oh, right!" That would be worth the price premium to me... some seriously over-engineered optics and CPU/memory to support it, please!

[psylichon]

I want to be able to whip it out, take some HD video of her, and for her to say "oh, right!"

I'm not editing it. Have as much fun as you want with ^^^that... just know I beat you to it.

[acosmichippo]

...just know I beat you to it.

that's what she said.

[kevlar08]

Who want's some more Juice?! :laugh2:

http://www.edibleapple.com/rumor-next-gen-iphone-to-have-innovative-battery-technology/

Rumor: Next Gen iPhone to have “innovative battery technology” (http://www.edibleapple.com/rumor-next-gen-iphone-to-have-innovative-battery-technology/)

"iPhoneHellas, a Greek iPhone site, is reporting (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.iphonehellas.gr/4772/next-generation-iphones-to-have-new-innovative-battery-technology/&ei=abLGSYCpDZXxnQeG-K3LDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.iphonehellas.gr/4772/next-generation-iphones-to-have-new-innovative-battery-technology/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DrqV) today that the next iteration of the iPhone will “feature new and innovative battery technology.“ The site claims that it received information from a reliable source, and if you recall, iPhoneHellas is the same site that predicted the launch date for the iPhone OS 2.2 software update nearly 2 weeks in advance. While that’s hardly enough to establish a strong track record, it’s still worth noting.

Advanced battery technology is simply the latest rumor to a growing list of rumors regarding the next generation iPhone. Just 2 days after the release of the new iPhone 3.0 SDK, developers were quick to find data strings (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/more-evidence-arises-for-future-iphone-models-in-latest-beta.ars) in the iPhone firmware which suggested a major hardware revision was in store. Building on that, AppleInsider recently reported (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.htm l), citing their own reliable source, that the next gen iPhone will include support for video recording. And if that isn’t enough to satiate your iPhone hunger, there were also reports late last week suggesting (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/20/faster.3g.on.next.iphone/) that the next iPhone model will support significantly faster Internet browsing speeds of up to 7.2Mbps. The current iPhone 3G only supports browsing speeds of up to 3.6Mbps.

Returning to the “new and innovative battery technology”, remember that it’s been nearly a year since Apple acquired P.A. Semi, a boutique microprocessor design company known for their sophisticated, and more importantly, low-power chips. As the software that people run on the iPhone becomes more CPU intensive, efficient battery life will become more of a necessity, and more importantly, a significant way to differentiate the iPhone from competitors who continue to try and deliver products that can give the iPhone a run for its money.

Battery life as a product differentiator

Eventually, the UI advantage of the iPhone over other phones will become less apparent as companies will continue to copy facets of the iPhone in addition to coming up with their own UI advancements. The buzz surrounding the yet to be released Palm Pre is evidence of this. With that in mind, Apple is betting on two factors to ensure that the iPhone maintains its competitive edge. Of course, there is the iTunes App Store, which if sales continue at their current pace, will break the 1 Billion download mark in the next 2 months or so. And second, there’s the issue of battery life. If the team and technology acquired from P.A. Semi is able to work with Apple to deliver a significantly longer lasting battery, it will obviously make it more practical to implement significant hardware improvements, in addition to satisfying users who will now be able to use their iPhones at full blast without worrying about running out of juice in 2 hours.

Apple strategy of differentiation via prolonged battery life was clearly in full effect when Apple announced a 17-inch MacBook Pro with a non-replaceable battery at this years Macworld. The result is a laptop that can run for up to 8 hours between charges, though real world testing puts the number a tad lower than that. But the underlying theme is that Apple is firmly aware of the importance of superior battery life in a marketplace when the features of competing products are continually converging. If “new and innovative” battery technology is indeed a part of the next gen iPhone, competitors will have an even tougher time of slowing the tide of the iPhone’s growing marketshare."

i hope this has something to do with the wireless charging function that was announced for the palm pre, id upgrade for that feature only

[Indy]

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/next-generation-iphone-7-2mbit-video-camera-more/

[Indy]

Another OLED Rumor. What do they mean by 'later'? Would 'later' in the year mean July/August timeframe or December I wonder? Anyways, if you don't know much about OLED's, you will after reading this! http://theappleblog.com/2009/03/23/fuel-added-to-apple-oled-netbookiphone-rumors/

[Indy]

These Rumors are picking up some SERIOUS steam!!! http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/23/att-new-iphone-will-be-hot-son/

[Eragon]

I heard that rumor as well that Apple may not refresh the iPhone until late in 2009. It all depends on Apple's roadmap, and the amount of time it needs to engineer and manufacture. It could also lend credence to a rumor (that I'm starting) that Apple doesn't see a burning need to compete (hardware wise) at the same time as the Palm Pre's release. Give Palm their time in the sun. From Apple's perspective, daylight for Palm may not last long.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I heard that rumor as well that Apple may not refresh the iPhone until late in 2009. It all depends on Apple's roadmap, and the amount of time it needs to engineer and manufacture. It could also lend credence to a rumor (that I'm starting) that Apple doesn't see a burning need to compete (hardware wise) at the same time as the Palm Pre's release. Give Palm their time in the sun. From Apple's perspective, daylight for Palm may not last long.

I'd be down with that plan.

[psylichon]

I suppose I could make it through the summer with my V1 no problem. For Indy's sake, however, I'm hoping the delayed release rumors are just that.

I want this to be the summer of iLove!

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I suppose I could make it through the summer with my V1 no problem. For Indy's sake, however, I'm hoping the delayed release rumors are just that.

I want this to be the summer of iLove!

Go smoke some more iGrass and play with your iHippie iBeads.

[psylichon]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/23/atandt-counting-on-new-iphone-this-summer-carrier-apps-to-figure/

AT&T wants to put its crapware on the next iPhone?

[Eragon]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/23/atandt-counting-on-new-iphone-this-summer-carrier-apps-to-figure/

AT&T wants to put its crapware on the next iPhone?

Gives new vigor to the jailbreaking community - ain't going anywhere anytime soon!

[Indy]

LoL. You guys are cracking me up! :p

[bulls6pack]

Any guesses as to how much one if these puppies will cost when they come out? I'm going to make a prediction. I'll say we will see 2 32gb models, one with a video camera for $599 and one without for $499. Anyone else want to guess?

[Eragon]

Any guesses as to how much one if these puppies will cost when they come out? I'm going to make a prediction. I'll say we will see 2 32gb models, one with a video camera for $599 and one without for $499. Anyone else want to guess?

I think that's a bit steep. I do think that the rumors of multiple tiered devices with different feature sets and prices becomes realistic. I would tend to believe that the current 16 GB iPhone 3G will drop in price to 199, and the 32 GB replacement will start at 299.

[psylichon]

Ok, I'll play. Right now this is what I'm envisioning:

Current 8GB 3G will continue to sell @ $100, 16GB 3G @ $200
No 8GB "Pro"... 16GB "Pro" @ $300, 32GB Pro @ $400.

These are all subsidized prices, of course.

[Youngbinks]

I think a 32GB "Pro" at $400 would be very fair. That is assuming that the reasons for the "Pro" are an obvious improvement.

[psylichon]

I would gladly pay $400 for an improved camera, high-quality video, faster CPU, more memory, and 32GB of storage. 2x 3G speeds would just be icing on the cake for me.

[Eragon]

Ok, I'll play. Right now this is what I'm envisioning:

Current 8GB 3G will continue to sell @ $100, 16GB 3G @ $200
No 8GB "Pro"... 16GB "Pro" @ $300, 32GB Pro @ $400.

These are all subsidized prices, of course.

400 Pro, subsidized. What do you think the unsubsidizd cost would be? Are we looking at a netbook or an iPhone Tablet?

[psylichon]

I don't see a netbook from Apple anytime this year or maybe even next. They really don't seem interested in that market. The iPhone covers it for them nicely.

Based on the rumor of a $200 8G 3G going for $700 soon, math predicts a $400 Pro would go for $1400 unsubbed. Yikes!

[Eragon]

I don't see a netbook from Apple anytime this year or maybe even next. They really don't seem interested in that market. The iPhone covers it for them nicely.

Based on the rumor of a $200 8G 3G going for $700 soon, math predicts a $400 Pro would go for $1400 unsubbed. Yikes!

I'd like to convince my wife - Uh, I need a new iPhone Pro. She'd tell me - there's the door!

[bulls6pack]

I'd like to convince my wife - Uh, I need a new iPhone Pro. She'd tell me - there's the door!

When I heard rumors of a new iphone coming this summer I too envisioned that picture, so I took care of that real early. I told her in late January/early February...honey I am taking money out of my profit sharing and I AM getting a new iPhone this summer, whether it be a new model or 3G! She seemed cool with it! Whats funny is I remember her saying in July of 07 after I spent 500$ on a 4gb model, this will be the last cell phone you ever buy! :) HA

[Youngbinks]

I would gladly pay $400 for an improved camera, high-quality video, faster CPU, more memory, and 32GB of storage. 2x 3G speeds would just be icing on the cake for me.

Mmm that cake would be delicious.

[psylichon]

I'm forgoing a laptop, plasma tv, and Nikon D90 this year in order to convince my wife of the necessity of getting this next iPhone.

[bulls6pack]

So if we do see a new model this summer, what do you guys envision it looking like? What would you WANT it to look like? Are some of these that have surfaced be cool with you guys? I personally like these!

http://www.everythingicafe.com/images/1/iphone-4g.jpg

http://www.everythingicafe.com/images/1/iphone-pro.jpg

[psylichon]

Those are both nice, but I'm really not expecting a radical departure. I'm expecting very similar stylings to the current 3G, but with an all-aluminum back instead of plastic. The screen would remain the same size, same buttons, maybe stereo speakers just for fun.

[Youngbinks]

Those are both nice, but I'm really not expecting a radical departure. I'm expecting very similar stylings to the current 3G, but with an all-aluminum back instead of plastic. The screen would remain the same size, same buttons, maybe stereo speakers just for fun.

I just hope they don't make the back the shiny aluminum that they always use on the iPods (well, the new iPod Classic at least). Those things scratch up something awful.

[kevlar08]

i hope its completely re modeled, im starting to get board with the current design, i like the looks of both of the concepts tho

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

OLED...

Drool...

[kevlar08]

OLED...

Drool...

if it did have OLED that would make the phone much thinner correct, what else is an advantage to OLED?

[psylichon]

if it did have OLED that would make the phone much thinner correct, what else is an advantage to OLED?

They're brighter, have a wider viewing angle, no backlight so much less battery drain/heat, and they can be flexible. So maybe the next iPhone will be a roll-up mat of some sort.

[Indy]

Just in case you guys and gals missed it....http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/23/att-new-iphone-will-be-hot-son/ I noticed no-one really commented after the link and figured I just confused everyone. LoL. Or maybe its not that big of deal but was exciting to me. :D I hate I can't c&p portions of the article from this sk3 but just read it when you get the chance. Rumor of the day FTW.....so far.

[kevlar08]

They're brighter, have a wider viewing angle, no backlight so much less battery drain/heat, and they can be flexible. So maybe the next iPhone will be a roll-up mat of some sort.

flexible really? im sure apple could get creative with that function

[Indy]

OLED's being 'organic' and all, isn't there some durability issues there as far as lifespan? I mean, ya know, I want my iPhone to live FOREVA!!! On a even more serious note though, the current screen is covered by actual glass, I wonder if they could still use glass for an OLED. I like the fact that its not plastic and its glass.

[kevlar08]

OLED's being 'organic' and all, isn't there some durability issues there as far as lifespan? I mean, ya know, I want my iPhone to live FOREVA!!! On a even more serious note though, the current screen is covered by actual glass, I wonder if they could still use glass for an OLED. I like the fact that its not plastic and its glass.

if the summer release of a new iphone is really becoming a tradition then the new OLED screen would only have to last you a year ha ha

[Indy]

NOOOOoooooooo!!! I can't afford that! LoL!

[acosmichippo]

I'm forgoing a laptop, plasma tv, and Nikon D90 this year in order to convince my wife of the necessity of getting this next iPhone.

good, so you can still get an LCD TV...

[JWiPhone]

if the summer release of a new iphone is really becoming a tradition then the new OLED screen would only have to last you a year ha ha

I think I read somewhere that an OLED screen on an iPhone would last at least 4 years and by that time something newer and better would come out.

You poor guys that are married needing to get permission from your wives..LOL. I consider this new iPhone coming out this Summer to be my 'wife'. You could say we are engaged right now. LOL.

[acosmichippo]

that is infinitely more sad.

[kevlar08]

could oled do anything involving the software, such as have an impact in games if the screen is in fact flexible?

[IPhone_Chica]

I recently saw a iPhone mockup on mytriniphone.com it featured an iPhone with a keyboard, but get this the slide out keyboard is touchscreen. OOh my sweet Apple please release this phone. I would love you for all eternity. What do you all think of this possibility?

[Indy]

that is infinitely more sad.

LoL.

He said it, HE SAID IT!!! Not I! :tounge::tounge::tounge:

[Indy]

I would gladly pay $400 for an improved camera, high-quality video, faster CPU, more memory, and 32GB of storage. 2x 3G speeds would just be icing on the cake for me.

Exactly the spec's I'm hoping to see. Throw some new battery tech in there as well.

I don't see a netbook from Apple anytime this year or maybe even next. They really don't seem interested in that market. The iPhone covers it for them nicely.

I agree. I'm growing tired of hearing these rumors of a netbook/tablet nearly as much as the iPhone Nano rumors. iPhone FTW!!!

I'd like to convince my wife - Uh, I need a new iPhone Pro. She'd tell me - there's the door!

Funny you bring this up. That's exactly what I told my wife when she said I probably wouldn't get an iPhone the first time around. There's the door!........(never claimed to be good at lying either) :tounge:

I remember her saying in July of 07 after I spent 500$ on a 4gb model, this will be the last cell phone you ever buy! :) HA

Hehehe...my better half thinks the same, I told her after I get this one that I won't get another one for 2 years, she kinda rolled her eyes at that!

Psshhhffftttt!!!

So I'm planning on a real good kicking and dragging argument every couple years, I'm prepared at least. :tounge:

Go smoke some more iGrass and play with your iHippie iBeads.

LMAO!

[monkeysrock0622]

I recently saw a iPhone mockup on mytriniphone.com it featured an iPhone with a keyboard, but get this the slide out keyboard is touchscreen. OOh my sweet Apple please release this phone. I would love you for all eternity. What do you all think of this possibility?


I guess its possible, but theres really no need. Most likely wont come out this year though.

[Indy]

Today's Rumors Catch-Up.

Now that I'm home I can post excerpts from the articles.

MacRumors Week Recap w/ More Processor Rumors

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/next-generation-iphone-7-2mbit-video-camera-more/

"Last week some more details (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) about the next iPhone revision continued leaking out.

First, there were spottings (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) of new Apple device IDs found embedded within the iPhone 3.0 firmware. Silicon Alley Insider then claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) that the next iPhone would come with "much faster internet". Finally, AppleInsider said that the new iPhone would indeed have a video camera (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.htm l), supporting evidence of video publishing screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/) also found in iPhone 3.0.

It's not surprising that the number of leaks is increasing as Apple does have to keep their carrier partners at least somewhat informed heading into a new release. We've also continued to hear unconfirmed whispers and have specifically heard that the new iPhone with support a 7.2Mbit chipset.

Another interesting possibility is that Apple may have settled on the Marvell PXA168 ARM (http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marvell.com%2Ffeatured%2F pxa168.jsp&t=1237853706) chip as the heart of a future device. Some unconfirmed claims point to Apple buying up supplies of this chip which is reportedly also due in the July timeframe. The Marvell PXA168 CPU was announced (http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fnews%2 FMobile-Processor-1GHz%2C6814.html&t=1237853706) in January of this year and aims to provide "entry-level laptop" capabilities to consumer electronic devices."

OLED Rumors...(lot's of OLED info in the link)

http://theappleblog.com/2009/03/23/fuel-added-to-apple-oled-netbookiphone-rumors/

"Richards is now citing (http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Industry/W5M8X6Q2) sources at Korean OEM components supplier LG who tell him not only will Apple soon launch new OLED notebooks and flat panel monitors but also a new iPhones and iPod touches to be released later this year with OLED screens made by LG, which last year secured a multibillion dollar deal to manufacture displays for Apple.
Another SmartHouse anonymous source claims Apple already has a working prototype of a new netbook-type laptop to be manufactured in Taiwan with an LG-supplied OLED screen."

AT&T Reports New iPhone is Coming

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/23/att-new-iphone-will-be-hot-son/


"We can’t tell you where or who, but pretty high up in AT&T’s food chain, the following was reported to be said:

New iPhone announcement around mid-June (duh)
New iPhone will be faster and have a more seamless experience unmatched by any device (could be just talking about 3.0, but we think it’s also a new iPhone)
U-Verse iPhone application; will allow control of your home DVR (play, pause, rewind, etc.)
The annual iPhone launch is “becoming a tradition.”
Nothing official is being confirmed, but they said that people should prep for an exciting time this summer.
AT&T is said to be working with Apple to create a unified product with an unparalleled experience across all their products and services.
Apple’s 3.0 software should tell us where the iPhone platform is going… uh, k?
They said customers shouldn’t need to choose from AT&T’s high-end devices because of features, they should choose based on preferences. The gap in capability should be filled with the new iPhone. Ok, bets on slide out QWERTY, autofocus camera, video sharing, blah blah?
Seems like the higher speed HSDPA (7.2Mbps) is being hinted at too which should confirm the earlier rumors of the new Infineon chipset.
The $99 3G netbook will start selling this summer, and the first one won’t be a Windows OS.
For clarification, the above is 100% confirmed.
Thanks, Stephanie!"

[IPhone_Chica]

I guess its possible, but theres really no need. Most likely wont come out this year though.

Actually I don't agree. It would free up valuable screen space. Not to mention the keyboard would be larger thus making it easier to type on. This actually would be ingenious. Apple would position itself to garner a larger market share by stealing even more blackberry owners who rely heavily on there keyboards. I believe this to be one of the two models to be released. JMO

[Indy]

Actually I don't agree. It would free up valuable screen space. Not to mention the keyboard would be larger thus making it easier to type on. This actually would be ingenious. Apple would position itself to garner a larger market share by stealing even more blackberry owners who rely heavily on there keyboards. I believe this to be one of the two models to be released. JMO

I see what you're saying, if Apple did release two models, one with a keyboard and one without, RIM would truly have a serious problem on their hands.

I don't really care for a physical keyboard myself, the less mechanically moving parts the better. I want a solid piece of a phone ya know? When the iPhone's first came out I thought I could never even imagine having a touchscreen keyboard and that they would never work and I would stick to physical keys but then when everyone said it wasn't that bad and I actually tried one myself on several occasions, it really didn't seem to bad. And I know when I first get it, coming from a sidekick with a great physical keyboard, It's gonna take some getting used and I'm completely fine with that.

[Indy]

So if we do see a new model this summer, what do you guys envision it looking like? What would you WANT it to look like? Are some of these that have surfaced be cool with you guys? I personally like these!

http://www.everythingicafe.com/images/1/iphone-4g.jpg

http://www.everythingicafe.com/images/1/iphone-pro.jpg

I still like this one...

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=162755&d=1237298913

[IPhone_Chica]

@Indy

I think you are correct. Apple needs to hit the competition with a 1,2 punch jack. There are too many beauties coming out at the same time and not enough moola to go around. I think a bigger screen definitely and some other wow factor that we have no clue of otherwise they can forget an upgrade.

[originalg00kster]

did you guys read the front page of EIC. supposely rumors mid june to release new iphone. from a reliable source i guess.

[JWiPhone]

Indy,

This will be my first iPhone also. I wanted to wait until about the 3rd Gen iPhone before making the purchase. I know many would not be able to wait that long and that is cool too. I just like to see the technology develop a bit before taking the plunge.

Man, these rumors are flying fierce and furious. I wonder what it will be like come April and May? LOL.

[Indy]

Man, these rumors are flying fierce and furious. I wonder what it will be like come April and May? LOL.

Even Fierce'r and More Furious...'er.

:tounge:

[Indy]

did you guys read the front page of EIC. supposely rumors mid june to release new iphone. from a reliable source i guess.

Welcome to EIC! :wink:

WWDC (supposedly) only 78 days away.

I wonder where chris got that concrete date for the 9-13 or is that just a guess. I don't remember hearing a confirmed date, seems likely though (off to google).

[acosmichippo]

there will not be a physical keyboard on an iphone. ever.

apple will not make a "netbook". MacBook Air and the iPhone are their flagships, and a netbook would just detract from them.

[originalg00kster]

thanks indy.

my contract ends april 28th :O for my stupid blackjack.
so thats when i plan on buying the 3g iphone. most likely 8gb. 16gb would be too much useless gbs.
i already bought some accessories. hahaha.

but i dont think i could wait for a new iphone. UNLESS! apple announces that it is indeed coming out soon. but who knows. i really want the 3g though, i dont see any thing else they could do besides more gbs, faster processor and more colors. which i can live without. but we will have to see.

cant wait to own my own iphone!

[IPhone_Chica]

there will not be a physical keyboard on an iphone. ever.

apple will not make a "netbook". MacBook Air and the iPhone are their flagships, and a netbook would just detract from them.

Their sells are down, people aren't as easily letting go of their hard earned moola, and their will be an influx of phones with specs that completely surpass the iPhone. Albeit not quite a novelty as the iPhone but still comparable. At the end of the day businesses care about the bottom line and that's decreasing overhead and increasing their profit. Apple is no different they must stay competitive. I believe this is their thinking, hence the new models in the code for iPhone 3.0. Something for loyal iPhonists and something for soon to be converts.

[bulls6pack]

Does anyone remember how long after the 1st generation and the 3Gs were announced, at the WWDC is think, that they actually went on sale to the public. Just trying to get a feel, in case we are lucky enough to see a new one announced at this years WWDC. By the way, what is WWDC? Does that have anything to do with Macworld?

[acosmichippo]

Their sells are down, people aren't as easily letting go of their hard earned moola, and their will be an influx of phones with specs that completely surpass the iPhone. Albeit not quite a novelty as the iPhone but still comparable. At the end of the day businesses care about the bottom line and that's decreasing overhead and increasing their profit. Apple is no different they must stay competitive. I believe this is their thinking, hence the new models in the code for iPhone 3.0. Something for loyal iPhonists and something for soon to be converts.

i don't understand what any of that has directly to do with a physical keyboard or netbook...

[IPhone_Chica]

i don't understand what any of that has directly to do with a physical keyboard or netbook...

They MUST stay COMPETITIVE. While some people are in love with touchscreens their are still a lot of people who want a keyboard. This is a Fact!

[acosmichippo]

not enough to justify them actually using one. just my gut feeling.

[Indy]

i already bought some accessories. hahaha.

I've still got a version 1 iphone case a friend sent me and I've downloaded 111 iPhone apps through itunes just waiting in que. It's all right to be prepared. lol.

Does anyone remember how long after the 1st generation and the 3Gs were announced, at the WWDC is think, that they actually went on sale to the public. Just trying to get a feel, in case we are lucky enough to see a new one announced at this years WWDC. By the way, what is WWDC? Does that have anything to do with Macworld?

Let's see here. Correct me if I'm wrong here people. 1st iPhone announced in January 07 then released June 29th 07 shortly after WWDC. 3G iPhone announced in June at WWDC then actually released July 11th. So I'm gonna guess this one will be announced WWDC and released sometime in July/August maybe. Although I wouldn't mind seeing it released late June. :smile:

And just because it's getting late and I'm too tired to explain, here ya go!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wwdc

[acosmichippo]

indy has more apps than i do, and he can't even use 'em...

...how ironic.

[Youngbinks]

Dang he has way more than me as well. I think I'm at about 40 iTunes Apps.

[kevlar08]

I recently saw a iPhone mockup on mytriniphone.com it featured an iPhone with a keyboard, but get this the slide out keyboard is touchscreen. OOh my sweet Apple please release this phone. I would love you for all eternity. What do you all think of this possibility?

this would be amazing, i love the touch screen keyboard only thing that could make it better is if it had more room for bigger keys and didn't take up s[ace on my screen so this slide out touch screen keyboard would be perfect, now my hopes are up for this

can i get a link to the mock up?

[IPhone_Chica]

this would be amazing, i love the touch screen keyboard only thing that could make it better is if it had more room for bigger keys and didn't take up s[ace on my screen so this slide out touch screen keyboard would be perfect, now my hopes are up for this

can i get a link to the mock up?

here is the link: http://mytriniphone.com/blog/2008/04/mytriniphone-2nd-gen-iphone-design-concept/

[Hondamaker]

there will not be a physical keyboard on an iphone. ever.

apple will not make a "netbook". MacBook Air and the iPhone are their flagships, and a netbook would just detract from them.I agree on all points. It wouldn't make sense.

[Indy]

Well, a lot of the apps I have are free ones that I went ahead and downloaded just in case they take them off the itunes store which we've seen happen all to often and I have some paid ones that I went ahead and got as well for the same reasons. Now for a question: when I get my iPhone and sync it, will all of those apps auto load onto my iPhone or will I be able to manually put them/take them off without actually deleting the app? I might not neccessarily want all 111 apps loading up right off the bat and would rather pick and choose some to play with. Thanks.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Well, a lot of the apps I have are free ones that I went ahead and downloaded just in case they take them off the itunes store which we've seen happen all to often and I have some paid ones that I went ahead and got as well for the same reasons. Now for a question: when I get my iPhone and sync it, will all of those apps auto load onto my iPhone or will I be able to manually put them/take them off without actually deleting the app? I might not neccessarily want all 111 apps loading up right off the bat and would rather pick and choose some to play with. Thanks.

You can choose which apps to install, just like you can select which tunes, videos, ringtones, etc.

[kevlar08]

here is the link: http://mytriniphone.com/blog/2008/04/mytriniphone-2nd-gen-iphone-design-concept/

wow that is an amazing concept, id love to have such a phone

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

wow that is an amazing concept, id love to have such a phone

The physical keyboard makes the TriniPhone a loser. :tounge:

[acosmichippo]

i just don't see the benefit of adding a whole new touchscreen keyboard. With 3.0, the landscape keyboard will be available in all apps. A slider will just add unnecessary bulk and break-ability.

and a SMALLER screen? come on, now...

[Indy]

WHO said smaller screen! Banish them from these forums!!! :D If anything, make the screen a bit larger. There is still plenty of room to stretch that screen towards the home button and ear piece without changing the size.

[kevlar08]

that second screen wouldn't be limited to just a keyboard tho, just imagine the possible apps or games one could develop, and if OLED screens are as thin as everybody says they are it wouldn't at much bulk at all

[Youngbinks]

A smaller screen would be awful. Just awful.

[psylichon]

Can we stop saying "smaller screen" around here? It just ain't gonna happen.

[Indy]

Next Gen. iPhone to offer 'wave-to-pay', video-conferencing and more? China Unicom seems to think so! http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/03/25/is-wave-to-pay-coming-to-the-iphone/

[Indy]

So, if China Unicom just confirmed the May 17th release date for their iPhone...then why would they release the new model a month later...hmmm, a little confused by this one. http://www.9to5mac.com/china-unicom-iphone-confirmed

[Indy]

http://9to5mac.com/iphone-china-unicom-pay-wave

The China Unicom story continues to unfold. According to iPhonAsia (http://idannyb.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/china-unicom-promoting-high-end-3g-services-on-iphone/)(Via Apple2.0 (http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/03/25/is-wave-to-pay-coming-to-the-iphone/)), China Unicom is promoting the following services along with the new iPhone:

Wave-to-pay (Visa offers similar service in the United States, called Paywave (http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/paywave/index.html?ep=a_cpc_rm_google_contactless), whereby cardholders can make purchases by waving their Visa card in front of special point-of-sale cardreaders. In Japan, half of cell phone owners — about 50 million users — carry phones that have so-called near field communications capability built-in. )
Mobile TV (CCTV has been heavily promoting this in China)
Tethering (connecting a laptop to a cell phone’s wireless network)
Video conferencing (start up the front facing camera rumors again?)
Click the link to check out the pic I was trying to post. =/

[Youngbinks]

Hopefully we get that Starbucks ordering system we heard about ages ago. That would be amazing.

[Nakai]

i agree with Indy, the iPhone is not like the iPod or iPod Nano, much R&D has gone into it and currently some countries have just started sales of the iPhone 3G.....a new model too soon will be an overkill

[JWiPhone]

The date has been announced for the WWDC 2009. It will take place June 8 - 12th. Get ready folks!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=675263

[Indy]

Beat me to it JW! :D Thanks! Oh, Can't Wait! Can't Wait! Happy Dance!!!

[JWiPhone]

Beat me to it JW! :D Thanks! Oh, Can't Wait! Can't Wait! Happy Dance!!!

You're slipping Indy. You have to be quicker than that. :tounge: I'm with you. Now comes the hard part, waiting and waiting. I think it is somewhere near 75 days until June 8th and counting.

[Indy]

74 days on my sk3 countdown app. Begin the longest 74 days of your life! Now is the actual Keynote on Tuesday, which would be the 9th, in standard Apple tradition, ya know, big things on Tuesdays?

[JWiPhone]

74 days on my sk3 countdown app. Begin the longest 74 days of your life! Now is the actual Keynote on Tuesday, which would be the 9th, in standard Apple tradition, ya know, big things on Tuesdays?

Indy, the WWDC 2008 was held June 9 - 13, 2008. The iPhone 3G was introduced that Monday, June 9th. Therefore, it is very possible that the new iPhone will be introduced on Monday, June 8th of this year for WWDC 2009.

[psylichon]

Not directly related to the next gen iPhone, but figured I'd put it somewhere. Apparently Apple's doing just fine without Jobs at the helm:

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-without-steve-jobs-2009-3

[acosmichippo]

coulda called that one... in fact, i did.

the notion that a company as large as apple would tank inside 6 months because of the loss of one man is ridiculous.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

coulda called that one... in fact, i did.

the notion that a company as large as apple would tank inside 6 months because of the loss of one man is ridiculous.

It's the fanboys' cult of personality.

[acosmichippo]

quite the contrary. It seems to me that the "fanboys" are the ones that are on edge without Jobs at the helm. Jobs is god, after all.

my point goes for all businesses (apple or not). It'll take a LOT more than the loss/gain of one man to completely change the direction of a corporation overnight.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

quite the contrary. It seems to me that the "fanboys" are the ones that are on edge without Jobs at the helm. Jobs is god, after all.

my point goes for all businesses (apple or not). It'll take a LOT more than the loss/gain of one man to completely change the direction of a corporation overnight.

How is that contrary to what I said?

[acosmichippo]

i thought you were implying i'm a fanboy for saying that apple is fine without steve for a few months.

sorry if i misunderstood.

[Indy]

Next"Next"Gen iPhone possibilities. :D http://i.gizmodo.com/5185700/arms-gpus-will-make-this-years-mainstream-phones-more-powerful-than-the-current-iphone

[monkeysrock0622]

Next"Next"Gen iPhone possibilities. :D http://i.gizmodo.com/5185700/arms-gpus-will-make-this-years-mainstream-phones-more-powerful-than-the-current-iphone
Haha I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself Indy! :tounge:

[Indy]

Hey, I hope so! :D But if no update in June....ya know what I'm sayin?

[monkeysrock0622]

Hey, I hope so! :D But if no update in June....ya know what I'm sayin?
What are you saying?

[Indy]

LoL. I don't know. I'm still not awake. Need more coffee. =/

[monkeysrock0622]

LoL. I don't know. I'm still not awake. Need more coffee. =/
Haha me too. Its only 5 o'clock for me, and I've been up since 3 :gasp:

[Indy]

Hehe, yea I didn't make it to bed until 12 then had to be up at 4:30 to go to work. I'm liable to say anything and not make sense. :) [/yawn]

[Indy]

10 reasons Apple is getting ready to reveal a new iPhone. 9to5mac. http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone-inventory-clearance

[Indy]

AT&T Stores Now Offering Early Upgrade Pricing on iPhone 3G. Another sign of clearing inventory? http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/27/att_stores_now_offering_early_upgrade_pricing_on_i phone_3g.html

[Youngbinks]

Oh good find Indy. Looks to be a clearing of inventory for sure. I'm starting to get excited.

[Indy]

Me too! 73 more days of rumors/leaked photos/news!!! :D

[Youngbinks]

Me too! 73 more days of rumors/leaked photos/news!!! :D

Wahoo! And I'll be counting on you to keep us up to date.

[Indy]

You bet! Its become a sort of hobby now. :D I really enjoy it.

[acosmichippo]

indy, what are you gonna do when you finally get an iphone?

you'll be complacent...

[Indy]

Well, I'll make a thread with one post that will read along the lines of... OMGOMGOMG!!! Then you won't see me for like, 3 weeks until I've learned the thing inside and out! :D

[Indy]

Apple selling contract-free iPhone 3G's for home activation.

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/27/apple-selling-contract-free-iphone-3gs-for-home-activation.html

"AT&T (NYSE: T (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=T)) isn’t the only place to get your hands on a contract-free iPhone 3G (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/19/att-to-offer-apple-iphone-3g-sans-contract.html), it seems. Apple (NSDQ: AAPL (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=AAPL)), ahead of its expected next-generation iPhone launch in June (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/03/23/power-packed-iphone-aiming-for-june-launch-on-att.html), has started selling iPhone 3Gs free and clear of any commitment to AT&T. Apple’s 8GB iPhone 3G is being sold for $599, with the 16GB iPhone 3G variant boasting a $699 price-tag.

Apple’s move to sell the iPhone 3G without contract points to an impending next-generation iPhone 3G launch. The move is likely aimed at reducing existing iPhone 3G stocks in anticipation of new hardware coming down the product pipeline."

[JWiPhone]

Me too! 73 more days of rumors/leaked photos/news!!! :D


Make that 72 more days :tounge:

[Indy]

Another concept. Too thin for me. http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone3-concept What do you think?

[joegul9]

Another concept. Too thin for me. http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone3-concept What do you think?

Definitely a no go for me. I hate the chrome backing, and how thin it is.

[Youngbinks]

I do NOT like the chrome backing like is evident on the back of the iPod Classic and the first generation of iPod Touches. It scratches SO easily.

[JWiPhone]

Another concept. Too thin for me. http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone3-concept What do you think?

That is the best concept I've seen so far. Perhaps the back could be a different metal rather than chrome, but I really like the front of it, especially the one with the dark edges. It is also very important how it would feel in the hand. That is a bit uncomfortable looking. One thing I can predict, no matter what design the new iPhone is, not everyone will like it.

[acosmichippo]

i just don't understand the phrase "too thin".

really, wtf?

[isal]

Just a thought...

Nokia announced the N97 in December or January... it'll come out in June.

Palm announced the Pre in Feb/March... it doesn't come out until the summer.

Why are we expecting an iPhone in the summer? Would it be much later, maybe by Christmas, if at all.

Or is Apple faster in their product launches?

[Indy]

That is the best concept I've seen so far. Perhaps the back could be a different metal rather than chrome, but I really like the front of it, especially the one with the dark edges. It is also very important how it would feel in the hand. That is a bit uncomfortable looking. One thing I can predict, no matter what design the new iPhone is, not everyone will like it.

http://9to5mac.com/files/image/00000/iphone4g.png (http://9to5mac.com/iphone3-concept)

I like the earpiece area. If you look closely you can see the strip that looks like a speaker, guess it would be good for speaker phone to come out of there as well. And is that a front-facing cam in the middle? And I do not like the thinness of it, too thin at the ends if you ask me.

i just don't understand the phrase "too thin".

really, wtf?

What's not to get? I wouldn't mind the phone being a bit thicker than it currently is if it meant better battery life and a lot of other extras. I don't want a phone SO thin I feel like I'm going to drop it everytime I pull it out. But that's just me. Maybe others with smaller hands would feel more comfortable with it thinner.

[Indy]

Palm announced the Pre in Feb/March... it doesn't come out until the summer.

Could be out by the end of the month (April).

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/29/palm-pre-to-be-released-on-april-30th/

"Take this with as much salt as a delicious freshly baked pretzel, but according to an alleged beta tester of the Palm Pre, the highly anticipated device will be released on April 30th for $299.99 with a two-year contract. The source of the information, Jim Van, works for Logicomm; an IT company based out of Rhode Island. Now, we know a lot of people are going to be excited about this, but we remain very, very skeptical. A few things working against the source: 1) He would certainly be under NDA from both Palm and Sprint forbidding him from discussing the product in private, let alone public. 2) Why would a beta tester have been told pricing and release date? 3) Then there’s the fact that no real and conclusive evidence is given, of course. We’d love to be wrong and have the Pre drop on us as early as possible but at this point in time, we’re still leaning towards late May/early June launch as we’ve stated in the past. Of course pushing it up to late April would be as great for Palm as it is unlikely — the more space between the Pre launch and the new iPhone announcement, the better.

(Jim Van has since made his Twitter account private)"

[isal]

http://9to5mac.com/files/image/00000/iphone4g.png (http://9to5mac.com/iphone3-concept)

I like the earpiece area. If you look closely you can see the strip that looks like a speaker, guess it would be good for speaker phone to come out of there as well. And is that a front-facing cam in the middle? And I do not like the thinness of it, too thin at the ends if you ask me.



What's not to get? I wouldn't mind the phone being a bit thicker than it currently is if it meant better battery life and a lot of other extras. I don't want a phone SO thin I feel like I'm going to drop it everytime I pull it out. But that's just me. Maybe others with smaller hands would feel more comfortable with it thinner.

With this concept it looks like Apple will have to do away with wires. I see no room for a headphone or USB jack. I would mind apple providing stereo-bluetooth headphones with it!! haha!

[Indy]

Why are we expecting an iPhone in the summer? Would it be much later, maybe by Christmas, if at all.

Or is Apple faster in their product launches?


Ask yourself this...Why wouldn't you expect one out by summer?

I'll also link you to a thread I've created over at MacRumors that questions this very...well...question.

Here ya go!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=676728

Posted by =MuLti-CeLL= (<<<that's me :wink:)

"Reasons YOU Think We Will/Will Not See New iPhone Hardware This Summer.
So, I've heard in several different threads by several different members
why they think there will/will not be a new iPhone revealed this summer,
regardless of how BIG or small an upgrade it will/will not be.

I've seen several good reasons why you think there will be one revealedas well as some really good reasons why there wouldn't.

I'm really creating this thread to have a collection of thoughts to look
back over, rather than reading a really well thought out post and later
forgeting where that post actually WAS, to never be read again, lol.

Use this thread if you want to discuss your reasons, argue and/or maybe
post links to new rumors you run across to support your reasons.

My Reasons I think we...

Will:

These (speculated) inventory clearing stories we're already starting to
hear about. The big one for me is the Fido one, where they aren't
ordering anymore iPhones in April.

iPhone 2,1...3,1...iProd?

The Famous one liner "1st Gen. Owners Need an Upgrade". http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

2 year old technology is still running this thing (pretty well though).
Other phones are catching up and even surpassing, spec wise. 2mp camera,
c'mon now, you mean to tell me they wouldn't even upgrade that?!

WWDC '09...nuff said.

Schiller said so...nuff said.

There are numerous rumors of internal hardware upgrades that could be a
possibility. 'Marvell' proccessor Rumored, 32gb chips should be ready,
something from PA Semi as its nearly been a year since aquired...the
lists goes on in this category.

As most would agree, a need for atleast a RAM upgrade. Think it will
crash even more when 3.0 is loaded on there?

Steve Jobs return? Reveals new iPhone? Video-chat via iPhone from
hospital bed?

And I'll end this section (for now) with, because every other iPhone
site I've visited (MANY) are expecting something in some shape or form.

Will Not:

These (speculated) inventory clearing stories could actually just be
Apple's way of getting the 3G in as many hands as possible to experience
the (pretty much) NEW iPhone that 3.0 will make it. Still, the FIDO
story. *shrugs*

3G is still selling strong, why change it up now?

Economy is bad, how many are actually gonna spend 500 bucks on a new
feature rich phone? (Raised hand, I would http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

Incompatability between phones as far as higher to low quality apps
(some people would be angry).

Why would they release 3.0 along with a new iPhone and then turn around
and tell all developers, "now you have to develop for this phone as
well". Of course this is assuming the upgrade would be substantial
enough for this to be the case. Although, they're gonna HAVE to upgrade
at SOME time, so...

Millions upon millions have the 3G and are not upgrade eligible yet, I'm
imagining a lot just adopted this past Christmas as well. And I'm
willing to bet there aren't as many still holding on to 1st gen iPhones
as there are 3G owners now leading me further to believe that the whole
theory behind "1st gen iPhone owners contracts ending so there's gotta
be..." to not be that big of a deal. Maybe all these newer deals and
incentives to upgrade we've heard popping up here lately is a way of
them saying "look, nothing new is coming so you might as well upgrade to
the 3g now and enjoy."

Schiller said so... (But I don't think he specified hardware) iPhone
cycle in June could just mean a spotlight on iPhone in general. (See
WWDC event photo for '09) As in software.

WWDC will be reserved for software only, iPhone 3.0 and Snow Leopard, no
"one more thing".

iPhone is Steve Jobs "baby". You think they are gonna let some other
shmuck reveal a new bad@ss iPhone? He said 'end of June' correct, we all
read the same thing.

That's all from me for now, feel free to quote me on anything and tell me what you think.


In ending, I'll remind those that do not already know, I do not have an iPhone "yet" and have been waiting a VERY long time to get one (2 years). My T-Mobile contract has ended recently and I'm waiting to see what's next before I jump in. Like most, I wouldn't mind seeing some improvements/additions to the next gen soon (like WWDC) but if nothing new by then, I will be perfectly happy with a current gen 3G iPhone.

Can't Wait. This is going to be a LOOONG 2 months ahead of us! http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Thanks."

[danipoak]

All this talk of a stupid physical keyboard will go away once people try out the landscape keyboard in every application. I used to lobby for a physical but now that I have my hands on the beta a virtual keyboard is quite a bit better.

[Indy]

With this concept it looks like Apple will have to do away with wires. I see no room for a headphone or USB jack. I would mind apple providing stereo-bluetooth headphones with it!! haha!

Although I plan on getting a stereo bluetooth headset at some point in time, I think it would suck if this were the case. But I see what you are saying, there are no room for 'holes'.

[danipoak]

Headphone jacks won't be going away for awhile. At least until the figure out a way to make bluetooth earphones. I know, you see bluetools all over the place but who wants something wrapped around their ear? I talking straight up in-ear bluetooth.

[isal]

Ask yourself this...Why wouldn't you expect one out by summer?



Well, honestly, I just got a 3G and I would just hate myself if there's a new iPhone in June!! lol!

Also, like in the article you just mentioned, the 3G is relatively new, bad economy and Steve Jobs' absence.

Also, I feel with the N97 and Palm Pre releasing in May-ish, Apple might just want to watch and see how they do. Just my thought.

[isal]

Headphone jacks won't be going away for awhile. At least until the figure out a way to make bluetooth earphones. I know, you see bluetools all over the place but who wants something wrapped around their ear? I talking straight up in-ear bluetooth.

I wouldn't mind seeing Apple doing away with headphone jacks. They've always been a little ahead of time. Nokia and Motorola already have stereo-bluetooth earphones, the only thing missing is a mic.

I like Mac-Book-ish iPhone concept much better.

[danipoak]

I wouldn't mind seeing Apple doing away with headphone jacks. They've always been a little ahead of time. Nokia and Motorola already have stereo-bluetooth earphones, the only thing missing is a mic.

I like Mac-Book-ish iPhone concept much better.

Are you talking about something like this (http://www.iskin.com/ceruleanf1/)? I don't like those because they wrap around your ears. Not to mention you look like a bluetool walking around with them. That's a group of people I swear I'll never join!

[isal]

Are you talking about something like this (http://www.iskin.com/ceruleanf1/)? I don't like those because they wrap around your ears. Not to mention you look like a bluetool walking around with them. That's a group of people I swear I'll never join!


No no, I meant something like this, with a mic.

http://www.inventorysource.com/images/pc/PC98801.gif

[danipoak]

No no, I meant something like this, with a mic.

http://www.inventorysource.com/images/pc/PC98801.gif

Still the same thing essentially. I just don't want something wrapped around my head or ears. Until they can make something like this (http://www.v-moda.com/collection/modaphones/vibe%20duo.aspx) without wires I'm not interested.

[isal]

Still the same thing essentially. I just don't want something wrapped around my head or ears. Until they can make something like this (http://www.v-moda.com/collection/modaphones/vibe%20duo.aspx) without wires I'm not interested.

I feel that would be hard for two reasons,

one... stability, even in ear headphones can stay in with out a wire
two... it would look so stupid with an earphone-head in each ear.

I kinda like the Motorola ones. Might me "too casual" for some but with I would buy one as and when the 3.0 comes out!

[Indy]

No no, I meant something like this, with a mic.

http://www.inventorysource.com/images/pc/PC98801.gif

Those are the ones I was thinking of getting later on. Funny you posted that. :tounge:

[kevlar08]

Still the same thing essentially. I just don't want something wrapped around my head or ears. Until they can make something like this (http://www.v-moda.com/collection/modaphones/vibe%20duo.aspx) without wires I'm not interested.

id feel like id loose at least one of those if they had no wire

[monkeysrock0622]

Those are the ones I was thinking of getting later on. Funny you posted that. :tounge:
I was thinking of getting them too!

[acosmichippo]

What's not to get? I wouldn't mind the phone being a bit thicker than it currently is if it meant better battery life and a lot of other extras.

well, that's a totally different discussion. my point was that if you have two phones with the same features, except one is thinner than the other, wouldn't you prefer the thinner one?


I don't want a phone SO thin I feel like I'm going to drop it everytime I pull it out. But that's just me. Maybe others with smaller hands would feel more comfortable with it thinner.

i have pretty large stubby hands, but don't really see where you're coming from here. there's still plenty to hold onto in that mockup.

[psylichon]

Stop getting your hopes up. No way it will be that thin with current battery technology.

[acosmichippo]

oh, i'm not.

it's a purely hypothetical argument.

but I would love my phone to be as thin as in ipod touch. i would barely know it was in my pocket.

[psylichon]

I wouldn't mind seeing Apple doing away with headphone jacks.

The problem with BT-only headsets is battery consumption. Using the iPod app off the headphone jack runs forever on the iPhone. If it were Bluetooth only, the battery life would be rough.

[JWiPhone]

In ending, I'll remind those that do not already know, I do not have an iPhone "yet" and have been waiting a VERY long time to get one (2 years). My T-Mobile contract has ended recently and I'm waiting to see what's next before I jump in.
Can't Wait. This is going to be a LOOONG 2 months ahead of us! http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Thanks."

We are so much alike in regards to iPhone experience. I too have been waiting two years for the iPhone to develop before purchasing. I decided I would wait until version 3 for the iPhone giving it a chance to perfect and the technology to develop some. My contract ended with Sprint in September though so it has been a long wait. Fortunately, I live walking distance from an Apple store and can go over there to hold, caress, kiss and try out the iPhone, under the watchful eye of the Apple Geniuses. LOL

[psylichon]

I'm like both of you in the fact that if Apple releases new hardware this summer, I'M BUYING IT. :D

[Indy]

@JWiPhone. That's cool you live within walking distance of an Apple store! My nearest and only one is about 5 miles away and yes, I've reached that uncomfortable stage now that when I go in to play with one I just know some of them recognize me now, lol. They're probably wondering "is this idiot gonna buy one already?" :p

[Indy]

So as you may have heard the Skype app will probably be coming out this Tuesday. Well, in this article the COO of the company hints at possible 'video-chat' feature to come in an update. http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/03/30/skype.for.iphone.official/

[acosmichippo]

Then it better come with a rear-mounted mirror.

[Indy]

RBC sees iPhone 3G Pro Debut in June. http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/03/30/apple-rbc-sees-iphone-3g-pro-debut-in-june/

[acosmichippo]

$299 for 32GB and faster 3G?

yes please.

[Indy]

Sounds pretty good to ya hippo? Me too! :D Here's pretty much the same article from AppleInsider.com its a little longer and more informative if you ask me. :D http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/30/rbc_says_iphone_3g_pro_wont_boost_iphone_momentum. html $199 iPhone 3G Pro = 2,1 $299 iPhone 3G Pro = 3,1?

[Youngbinks]

Ohhhhh $299 32 GB. That sounds fantastic.

[monkeysrock0622]

$199 iPhone 3G Pro = 2,1 $299 iPhone 3G Pro = 3,1?
I dont think so. Shouldnt the 2,1 be significantly different than the 3,1? If so then i would say $199 iPhone 3G = 2,1 $299 3G Pro = 3,1. Only one of them could be pro.

[acosmichippo]

i wonder if the rumored HSUPA 3G will have a higher monthly fee.

that could be a deal killer for me.

[Indy]

@monkeysrock Yea, good point. If it were anything it would just be 2,1 for both models...so we think. ;)

[Indy]

Interesting thread started at macrumors.com just a little bit ago. Another hint there could be video in the next gen. MMS Video feature discovered? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7377316&posted=1

[Indy]

http://images.appleinsider.com/rbc-090330.gif

[JWiPhone]

Interesting thread started at macrumors.com just a little bit ago. Another hint there could be video in the next gen. MMS Video feature discovered? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7377316&posted=1

That is an interesting find. Just another indicator of possible video in the upcoming iPhone. :)

That Exhibit 1 looks pretty realistic for new iPhone features. I think all the talk of multi-core GPU's, and OLED screens seem more likely in 2010. I hope I'm wrong though.

[kevlar08]

Interesting thread started at macrumors.com just a little bit ago. Another hint there could be video in the next gen. MMS Video feature discovered? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7377316&posted=1

wow this is really interesting, can't wait for everything to become official

[Raizak]

I had the original iPhone and am holding off for the release of the new one :D

Can't wait to see what Apple churns out, it was the best all in one device imo.

[Indy]

Apple ramping 32GB iPhone production; could launch in June. http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/analyst_apple_ramping_32gb_iphone_production_could _launch_in_june/

[acosmichippo]

Apple ramping 32GB iPhone production; could launch in June. http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/analyst_apple_ramping_32gb_iphone_production_could _launch_in_june/

'He noted, however, that the low-end version may only be available in the fast-growing, emerging markets of Brazil, Russia, India, and China, while the high-end version is expected to make its way to North America and Europe,' Dawn Kawamoto reports for CNET.

that's a little weird.

[Indy]

Low-end model = 2,1, iPhone Pro = 3,1?

[JWiPhone]

What will the new iPhone released in June be called?

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/31/what-will-the-next-iphone-be-called/

[acosmichippo]

"iphone bad mother******"

seriously, though, they don't HAVE to call it anything apart from iphone. An ipod was an ipod until the ipod touches came out.

[JWiPhone]

"iphone bad mother******"

seriously, though, they don't HAVE to call it anything apart from iphone. An ipod was an ipod until the ipod touches came out.


iPhone BMF.....I like that. It has a nice ring to it :tounge:

[fury]

The original iPhone will get renamed iPhone Classic, then they will call this new one the iPhone Post (just to make a dig at Palm :p)

[Indy]

Apple Doubles iPhone Unit Orders.

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/report_apple_doubles_iphone_unit_orders/

"Financial weekly Barron's quotes Seligman fund manager Paul Wick, considered one of the major investment managers in the technology sector, who said simply that someone who is looking for a large technology company, at a cheap price, without having to bet on when the recession will end, should look at Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL). Apple has $31 per share in cash, and generates about another $8-9 per share in cash each year. Additionally, he claims, based on what he says are good sources, Apple has ordered from its Taiwan sub-contractors double the quantity of iPhones for second quarter delivery as it did for the first quarter of this year," Shlomi Cohen reports for Globes Online via Seeking Alpha.

"If Wick is correct about the increased number of iPhones, then there are apparently increased orders because of an imminent signing by Apple with a Chinese telecommunications company. It’s a potentially giant market for Apple, and rumors have it that China Unicom will be the first to sign, and it will happen quite soon," Cohen reports.

"Bank of America analyst Scott Craig, who covers Apple, estimates that Apple can capture at least 20% of the smartphone market in China. If the launch in China happens in the middle of the year, he forecasts that by the end of the year Apple will able to sell around 1.5 million iPhones there, 4.6 million in 2010, and he sets a target for 2011 of 5.8 million handsets," Cohen reports."

And if you click the link and read the comments left at the bottom everyone just assumes this is for the Next Gen iPhone. The way I read it is that they were getting huge orders ready for the China shipping. Anyone else? It would be nice if it were for the next gen though. :wink:

[Indy]

Oh this NVidia Tegra looks so sweet! http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/04/01/nvidia.tegra/ Be nice to see this in the iPhone sometime soon, ya know, like "June Soon". :D

[Indy]

Read: http://daringfireball.net/2009/04/complex Very good article. :)

[acosmichippo]

Apple Doubles iPhone Unit Orders.

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/report_apple_doubles_iphone_unit_orders/

"Financial weekly Barron's quotes Seligman fund manager Paul Wick, considered one of the major investment managers in the technology sector, who said simply that someone who is looking for a large technology company, at a cheap price, without having to bet on when the recession will end, should look at Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL). Apple has $31 per share in cash, and generates about another $8-9 per share in cash each year. Additionally, he claims, based on what he says are good sources, Apple has ordered from its Taiwan sub-contractors double the quantity of iPhones for second quarter delivery as it did for the first quarter of this year," Shlomi Cohen reports for Globes Online via Seeking Alpha.

"If Wick is correct about the increased number of iPhones, then there are apparently increased orders because of an imminent signing by Apple with a Chinese telecommunications company. It’s a potentially giant market for Apple, and rumors have it that China Unicom will be the first to sign, and it will happen quite soon," Cohen reports.

"Bank of America analyst Scott Craig, who covers Apple, estimates that Apple can capture at least 20% of the smartphone market in China. If the launch in China happens in the middle of the year, he forecasts that by the end of the year Apple will able to sell around 1.5 million iPhones there, 4.6 million in 2010, and he sets a target for 2011 of 5.8 million handsets," Cohen reports."

And if you click the link and read the comments left at the bottom everyone just assumes this is for the Next Gen iPhone. The way I read it is that they were getting huge orders ready for the China shipping. Anyone else? It would be nice if it were for the next gen though. :wink:

I agree with you.

[JWiPhone]

Even though this is just a concept for a future iPhone I thought it looked pretty cool. I'm not really one for a physical keyboard on an iPhone though. I think it would add too much bulk. I have to admit though this looks pretty nice especially for gaming.

http://www.***********.com/iphone-news/iphone-slider-april-fools-joke-we-wished-was-real/

[JWiPhone]

Read: http://daringfireball.net/2009/04/complex Very good article. :)

That was a great article. I think this author really nailed it about the iPhone concept and design. This is exactly why I have chosen the iPhone over all the other competition to be my next 'all-in-one' device and not just a cell phone.

[monkeysrock0622]

JW, when I saw your post I thought the concept was was going to be horrible but I actually really liked it. I like the slide just because its cool and I wouldn't mind a physical keyboard as long as its done right.

[acosmichippo]

not gonna happen.

ever.

[monkeysrock0622]

not gonna happen.

ever.
I know, Im just saying I wouldn't mind it. I still prefer the touch screen keyboard.

[kevlar08]

personally i like the concept with the slide out touchscreen keyboard better

[JWiPhone]

I too like the iPhone the way it is. However, as chips become more powerful, and the gaming platform for the iPhone grows, such a device might be more feasible where you need to keep your fingers off the screen to play games. In the future I can see Apple offering two versions of their iPhone, with and without a sliding keyboard. Regardless, it is even more of a minor issue for me now that they have a landscape virtual keyboard.

[Indy]

JW, when I saw your post I thought the concept was was going to be horrible but I actually really liked it. I like the slide just because its cool and I wouldn't mind a physical keyboard as long as its done right.

I agree and thought it was going to look horrible as well, actually it's the first concept that looks great to me as far as slide out qwerty.

Still don't believe it's gonna happen and prefer to have as little moving parts as possible. :wink:

[bulls6pack]

Although I agree this will probably never happen, I still think it looks badas$$

http://www.***********.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/iphone-slider.jpg

It looks like it would be great for gaming too!

[acosmichippo]

too bad apple doesn't make an iGame.

[kenneth]

Although I agree this will probably never happen, I still think it looks badas$$

http://www.***********.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/iphone-slider.jpg

It looks like it would be great for gaming too!


man I hope I never see an Iphone like that.

[acosmichippo]

x 1,000,000

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

x 1 googolplex +1

[acosmichippo]

and then divided by zero.

[Indy]

3.2 MP cameras ordered for next gen iPhone. 5 MP? http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090403PB200.html

[adnurahs]

3.2 MP cameras ordered for next gen iPhone. 5 MP? http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090403PB200.html


WOW! That sounds like there could be two releases of something from Apple. One in July (we all know about) and the other "Later in the year". Hmmm! Interesting.

Should we hold out or start saving our pennies for whatever the 5.Mp is going into?

Thanks Indy for the article!! :laugh2:

[Indy]

AT&T readying the network for new iPhone. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/03/att_hurrying_massive_network_update_for_new_iphone _launch.html

[kenneth]

^^^
great maybe I'll get 3G when the new iPhone launches and uses something faster.

[psylichon]

Ok, 7.2mbps and 3.2/5 MP seem to both be in the damn-near-confirmed category at this point in my mind.

[kevlar08]

AT&T readying the network for new iPhone. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/03/att_hurrying_massive_network_update_for_new_iphone _launch.html

most interesting part to me is the ability to video stream

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Ok, 7.2mbps and 3.2/5 MP seem to both be in the damn-near-confirmed category at this point in my mind.

I'm still really disappointed that the toothpaste dispenser rumor hasn't gained more traction in the media...

[acosmichippo]

dude, that's apple's closest-guarded secret.

[psylichon]

Didn't Pomegranate (http://www.pomegranatephone.com/)get a jump on that market, though?

No wait, that was just a shaver.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Didn't Pomegranate (http://www.pomegranatephone.com/)get a jump on that market, though?

No wait, that was just a shaver.

I already have a digital camera that's a shaver, but I"d really like to see the toothpaste dispenser show up in the iPhone Pro. Don't make me wait until the summer of 2010.

[psylichon]

And what will you use for a toothbrush? You think Apple would go with the stylus format? I think not.

[acosmichippo]

Maybe 3rd party devs can work something out with the 3.0 APIs...

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

And what will you use for a toothbrush? You think Apple would go with the stylus format? I think not.

I use the iPhone's microfiber cloth for that at the moment.

[Indy]

Next iPhone to support low power 802.11n mode

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/04/next_ipod_touch_iphone_to_support_low_power_802_11 n_mode.html

"Wireless radio component specifications contained within the iPhone 3.0 firmware indicate support for a new chip enabling low power 802.11n, which is likely to be exposed in the new iPhone and iPod touch set for release later this year..."

[acosmichippo]

finally. I switched my network over to 802.11n only a while ago, and have thusly not been able to use it with my phone since.

maybe this will pave the way for wireless syncing? All of my media is stored on my time capsule, and syncing from that to my iphone doesn't take much longer than it did when all my stuff was stored locally.

[Indy]

Ok so I'll admit, I havn't researched the "n" wifi thingy at all. What's the deal? Can someone explain it short and sweet for me?

kthxbai! :wink:

[monkeysrock0622]

Indy, I know that the "n" thingy is faster wifi. There's a/b/g in most places and now n is becoming more popular. So 802.11 n along with 7.2 Mbps 3G is going to make one *****in fast iPhone :D

[Indy]

Haha, ok monkey! The more speed the better! :D

[monkeysrock0622]

Haha yes. They need to install more 3G towers too cause I am staying at my grandmas house and I'm stuck on Edge most of the time and no wifi either.

[acosmichippo]

802.11g (the current standard) theoretically transfers at 54 mbps, while 802.11n can theoretically go up to ~300mbps (depends whose specs you're reading) and also has better range.

802.11n is ideal for large file transfers on a private network (like streaming video or -wait for it- syncing an ipod). The problem is to get the best performance out of an 802.11n router, you must set it to create a network ONLY for 802.11n devices, as opposed to creating a network that is also compatible with 802.11b/g devices.

So if you're like me, and do a lot of wireless video streaming and time capsule backups, you want the fastest speeds possible, which also means that my iPhone (802.11g) cannot use my wifi network. It's not a huge problem as i get decent EDGE signal near my house. The biggest drawback is that i can't use the iTunes remote app because it works through wifi.

[Indy]

I feel your pain. Still on tmo edge myself. =/

[Indy]

Thanks for the info hippo. ;) Sounds good!

[Phxblue]

So you joined this site 2 years ago and you've been on that SK3 the whole time?? Dang man you got some holdout skills! /end hijack..

[Indy]

This is one of the coolest features about it to me.

http://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM

"it also adds the ability to send and receive information through FM radio signals, which theoretically could be used to broadcast sound into car stereos..without external adapters."

[Indy]

@PhxBlue The wait is almost over! :D

[Indy]

More "video-editing" features found in 3.0

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/05/rumor-iphone-os-3-0-to-include-video-editing-tools/

"It might seem like a big leap from a phone with no real video capabilities to one that will trim and clip your creations on the fly, but that's the implication of a few graphic elements sussed out of the iPhone (http://www.tuaw.com/tag/iPhone/) 3.0 firmware by Ben at benm.at (original site (http://www.benm.at/?p=5885) in German, translation here (http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.benm.at%2F%3Fp%3D5885&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8)). He's spotted some art resources that seem to show editing, scrubbing and clip functions in the next version of the iPhone's firmware."


http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=165877&d=1238945597

This will be SO awesome! :laugh2:

[kevlar08]

More "video-editing" features found in 3.0

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/05/rumor-iphone-os-3-0-to-include-video-editing-tools/

"It might seem like a big leap from a phone with no real video capabilities to one that will trim and clip your creations on the fly, but that's the implication of a few graphic elements sussed out of the iPhone (http://www.tuaw.com/tag/iPhone/) 3.0 firmware by Ben at benm.at (original site (http://www.benm.at/?p=5885) in German, translation here (http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.benm.at%2F%3Fp%3D5885&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8)). He's spotted some art resources that seem to show editing, scrubbing and clip functions in the next version of the iPhone's firmware."


http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=165877&d=1238945597

This will be SO awesome! :laugh2:

this would be an amazing new feature, if they do add video it'd be nice for them to make it worth the wait

[Indy]

This Broadcom chip looks really nice.

Read up!

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=1233460

:wink:

[psylichon]

Indy, I get excited every time this thread gets bumped. Keep up the great work.

[Indy]

@psylichon lol, I get excited too! I enjoy bringing you all up-to-date with the latest news and I appreciate all the other contributors as we'll. ;)

[JWiPhone]

I too get excited when Indy posts here because I know it is a hint at the latest potential development in the new, upcoming iphone we are all waiting for. Thanks Indy!

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

@psylichon lol, I get excited too! I enjoy bringing you all up-to-date with the latest news and I appreciate all the other contributors as we'll. ;)

You're the regular town crier around here, but in a very good way!:smile:

Thanks for the news links.

[Indy]

Haha, no problem Nappy! :D

[kevlar08]

haha i too get excited when i see indys avatar to the left, i always know its something new and interesting in iphone news

[psylichon]

That is one badass avatar.

[Indy]

Australia puts iPhone 3G up for free. Clearing inventory?

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/vodafone-australia-puts-iphone-3g-up-for-free.html

“Vodafone is thrilled to be offering iPhone 3G for $0 on the $69 iPhone plan, the first time this has ever been offered in Australia…There has never been a better time to buy an iPhone.”
No doubt!
Of course, this is just yet another sign that the next-gen iPhones are coming… But still, if you want a great deal on one heck of a device, you might as well take advantage of these offers while they’re on. If money is an issue, the times are right to pick up an iPhone at a sizable discount… No doubt when the new iPhones come out there will be absolutely positively no discounts… that’s a fact!

[Indy]

iPhone Competition: Nokia N97 hits FCC headed to AT&T.

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/nokia-n97-with-atts-3g-frequencies-hits-the-fcc.html

"Good news for our North American readers who at the same time like Nokiahttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.intomobile.com/page/2/#) (NYSE: NOK (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=NOK)) smartphones. The single most desirable Finnish smartphone, N97 (http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/17/hands-on-with-the-nokia-n97-live-from-mobile-world-congress-barcelona.html), has been spotted at the FCC. And we’re talking about the real U.S. version, all with the right bands to sing along AT&T (NYSE: T (http://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTE&Ticker=T))’s 3G network (1900 MHz). Everything the European/Asian version has is also included — like WiFi, Bluetooth, WM transmitter, HSDPA, large touchscreen and of course, the full QWERTY keyboard. Now it’s all about AT&T to pick it up, subsidize it, and make some money along the way. Yap, this baby should steal some thunder from the iPhone, or at least Nokia hopes so. We’ll see how that will go…"

[Indy]

Apple has more than doubled iPhone production.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/06/barclays_says_apple_has_more_than_doubled_iphone_p roduction.html

"Analysts for Barclay's Capital are reporting Monday that their contacts in the Far East tell them that Apple has doubled its iPhone production for the current quarter, suggesting the company has baked high expectations into the launch of new models that will reportedly arrive in June."

But could this mean "new" models or just upped the production of current gen 3g's? I mean, I dunno why all of a sudden they would be boosting production unless there were a new one coming but maybe they expect to sell more 3g's when news becomes more widespread of 3.0 features (in commercials, etc...).

"More specifically, analyst Ben Reitzes said his sources indicate Apple is readying a new iPhone that will ship in June with an upgraded camera (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.htm l) that could deliver big improvements to the iPhone experiences, including both still and video capabilities "with possibly another camera on the front for video chat."

"He elaborated by saying Apple could offer a "few iPhone models" with these features and various memory capacities as "high-end" video iPhones that would rival the functionality of Pure Digital's "Flip" digital camcorder line (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUT F8%26x%3D0%26ref%255F%3Dnb%255Fss%255Fgw%26y%3D0%2 6field-keywords%3DFlip%2520Video%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps&tag=reality&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957). At the same time, a model similar to the current iPhone 3G without some of the high-end features would be sold at lower prices ($100-$150) with different data plans in order to extend the touch-screen handset to more geographies and to lower income users, according to the report."

"Reitzes is likely basing his dual model assumptions, in part, on discoveries within unreleased iPhone code that point to two new and architecturally distinct (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/19/iphone_3_0_listings_show_four_all_new_iphone_ipod_ touch_models.html) iPhone-branded devices that are far enough along in their respective development cycles to demand support within the iPhone Software 3.0 update due this summer."

"He's also the second analyst in as many weeks to put out a call indicating that iPhone build volumes for the current quarter are up two-fold thanks to orders for multiple new models that would be ready for consumer purchase by the end of June."

"Last week, Lazard Capital Markets semiconductors analyst Daniel Amir made similar claims, saying production was due to jump from around 3.5 - 4.0 million units during the March quarter to as many as 8 million (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/31/report_two_distinct_iphone_models_nearing_producti on.html) units during the June to coincide with the introduction of two new models."

Well isn't that nice? :)

[Phxblue]

Indy you must eat sleep poop vomit ooze and bleed iPhone news lol.. Keep it up buddy.