Macs and viruses?

[smknSRT8]

I was just at a place called Mac Experience, Apple certified place for repairs and warranty work ets. I was making small talk with the guy and he said it is a waste of time to have any sort of adaware, malware antivirus on your Mac. I do not have any of those, but what I found interesting is that Apple will reward someone $13,000 if they have a virus for Mac. Is this true?

[Lincoln]

I haven't heard about the $13,000 thing... but, yeah, it is a waste of time. There are no viruses for OS X. None. Will there be in the future as the Mac gains more market share? Probably. Should you be worrying right now? No.

[Saverino]

What do you mean "if they have a virus for Mac"?

Do you mean one on their computer, or was actually able to make one for a Mac?

[smknSRT8]

What do you mean "if they have a virus for Mac"?

Do you mean one on their computer, or was actually able to make one for a Mac?
Sorry. Reward to the person who creates the first virus for a Mac. The reward does not to the person who gets the virus. Sorry for the miscommunication.

[Saverino]

Hmm...I hope that isn't true.
That'll just inspire people to try making viruses for Mac.

But if it were true, why $13,000? Seems kind of like an odd number to pick. How about $10,000 or $15,000?

[dturner]

Hmm...I hope that isn't true.
That'll just inspire people to try making viruses for Mac.

But if it were true, why $13,000? Seems kind of like an odd number to pick. How about $10,000 or $15,000?
Lucky 13????:laugh2: Who knows. I don't think this is anything more than a rumor.

[smknSRT8]

That is exactly what I was thinking about both of your points! Why put a price on creating a virus, which would give them a monetary benefit (and possibly a job at Apple).
It does seem like a random number I agree. I am not saying that this is true, this is what a worker told me at a certified apple repair store.

[Saverino]

That is exactly what I was thinking about both of your points! Why put a price on creating a virus, which would give them a monetary benefit (and possibly a job at Apple).
It does seem like a random number I agree. I am not saying that this is true, this is what a worker told me at a certified apple repair store.

But was it an actual Apple store? :smile:

[smknSRT8]

What do you mean?

[Saverino]

What do you mean?

You said certified apple repair store.

I meant is it actually part of Apple Inc., or run by them, etc.

[smknSRT8]

I do not believe there are affiliated with Apple in any except that they are certified to make repairs and do warranty work. Here (http://www.themacexperience.com/) is their website.

[Londonrockz568]

Why is it impossible to get a virus or even code one for a mac?

[monkeysrock0622]

Why is it impossible to get a virus or even code one for a mac?
Because Apple puts so much time into making every single part of their operating system so secure that it doesn't get viruses (yet) that way they have another advantage over windows.

And technically its not impossible, its just very very VERY hard.

[Londonrockz568]

But we keep saying "yet" So its only a matter of time before that hard creation of a virus becomes easy?

I thought it was such an annoying and tedious process to make a virus for a mac no one bothered.

Why is it so hard? isnt code... code? regardless of platform?

[FlwrPwer]

Another reason there are no viruses is because the intent behind creating a virus is to hit as many users as possible. There are more windows users than mac users, so it makes more sense to write a windows virus. It'll affect more people and companies.

Why waste your time writing a virus if it's not gonna cause as many people pain? (not my opinion, just the idea behind creating viruses for macs).

[JoeT]

Oh, stop. FlwrPwer is almost right - the malware quotient for OSX is low because of low adoption figures and malware authors want high ROI like everyone else. But to draw a line to a low RISK of vulnerability is a scary one. That's like saying that the US is not vulnerable to terrorism because we haven't had an incident since 9/11 - the abscence of something does not prove that it does not exist.

The fact is that vulnerabilities in OSX have existed, been exploited, and have been patched, and that cycle is likely to continue as it does with other operating systems. Google "OSX vulnerability" and read a while, and you'll realize that if anything, you have security by obscurity.

Here's just one link to read: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Apple/Apple-Patches-Critical-OS-X-Flaws/

[Londonrockz568]

Yeah but the whole goal of a virus is to "rape" multiple networks....what about the other viruses such at trojans, keyloggers...these are the things that steal info, get into the system and record your Credit cards, bank logins passwords. Most viruses just corrupt files, others are out to sneak in and steal info.

Also to say that apple is not as widespread as windows is a horrible statement. Apple is all over colleges/schools/ many design firms etc. We are young im sure if sum1 wrote a virus it would cause alot of havoc.

People have the same view of apple like people had of the Titanic. OH it wont sink, or viruses are hard to make for OSX. Titanic...well we all know what happened, but for Apple, just because it's never had a major breach dosent mean it couldnt happen. Many schools are pretty much teaching hacking, when they teach us advanced code and stuff in class.

[FlwrPwer]

Also to say that apple is not as widespread as windows is a horrible statement. Apple is all over colleges/schools/ many design firms etc. We are young im sure if sum1 wrote a virus it would cause alot of havoc.



It's not a horrible statement. It's a true statement. Just look on this forum. Most users who have the iphone here are running Windows machines, not macs. And while most design firms/film studios use macs....most regular businesses use windows.

[Londonrockz568]

Lol.... I stand corrected. sorry.

[Lincoln]

Nobody stated that there aren't any trojans and malware for OS X. There's plenty of that. Just a few months ago a poker game was discovered that, when downloaded, asked you to type your admin password because a necessary component wasn't installed. The app then sent that password to the developer of the app.

You can't say that Macs have even near the market share of PC's. It's much smaller. But it's growing constantly. Yes, OS X is a very secure operating system. No, there are not any viruses for it right now. But as market share grows and there are more users to target, people will try harder to create viruses for the Mac. Many will fail. Some may succeed. Only time will tell.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Because Apple puts so much time into making every single part of their operating system so secure that it doesn't get viruses (yet) that way they have another advantage over windows.

And technically its not impossible, its just very very VERY hard.

The iPhone is supposedly very secure against hacking attempts as well, and we can all see what the results of that security have been. :smile:

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Another reason there are no viruses is because the intent behind creating a virus is to hit as many users as possible. There are more windows users than mac users, so it makes more sense to write a windows virus. It'll affect more people and companies.

Why waste your time writing a virus if it's not gonna cause as many people pain? (not my opinion, just the idea behind creating viruses for macs).

But as the Mac becomes more popular...

[aenti]

This is possibly the best topic for me, as a current PC user/owner.

I was never too sure with Macs because of their virus protection. When they become more popular (which they will be, with Apple's "new" approach) I'm not sure if OSX will be safe. This is the only reason I haven't switched yet.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

[DARTH VADER] "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.."[/DARTH VADER]

[Lincoln]

This is possibly the best topic for me, as a current PC user/owner.

I was never too sure with Macs because of their virus protection. When they become more popular (which they will be, with Apple's "new" approach) I'm not sure if OSX will be safe. This is the only reason I haven't switched yet.

(Obviously) I say go ahead and switch. The big reason that there aren't any viruses for OSX is that, yes, it's less popular. But really, OS X is more secure than Windows. It's simply harder to create a virus for it.

[acosmichippo]

(Obviously) I say go ahead and switch. The big reason that there aren't any viruses for OSX is that, yes, it's less popular. But really, OS X is more secure than Windows. It's simply harder to create a virus for it.

i wouldn't go that far.

anyway, back to the OP... $13,000 reward to the first virus for mac? from apple? Think about it. This is the company that makes developers PAY to be a part of the iphone software dev community.

Why would they encourage the creation of malware when it's their main selling point? Programmers and hackers are not ones to take challenges lightly.

[Londonrockz568]

The iPhone is supposedly very secure against hacking attempts as well, and we can all see what the results of that security have been. :smile:


Theres a huge difference between being hacked...and the user hacking his own device for features not originally available.

You can say the same for a PC user. My friend hacked his own PC to create opaque/transparent start menu, file folders, windows. There would be a large difference if someone hacked his computer and obliterated system files.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Yes, but the Mac is just another platform for hackers to attack eventually. Whether or not it's more difficult to write a virus for is irrelevant, as hackers love a challenge and will write for it. If and when the Mac commands a sizable enough market share to warrant it, the attacks will come...

[aknightstale41]

Interesting, I knew macs were virus resistant, but I didn't know they could "not" get a virus at all. Do they get popups or ebombs which aren't viruses?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Interesting, I knew macs were virus resistant, but I didn't know they could "not" get a virus at all. Do they get popups or ebombs which aren't viruses?

In my opinion, Macs are not virus-proof. Hackers just don't create viruses (virii?) for Macs because they crave the attention that widespread havoc causes, and the Microsoft Windows PC market is much more prevalent right now.

So, Macs are pretty safe for now, but if their market share ever expands to Microsoft-like levels, watch out.

[aknightstale41]

In my opinion, Macs are not virus-proof. Hackers just don't create viruses (virii?) for Macs because they crave the attention that widespread havoc causes, and the Microsoft Windows PC market is much more prevalent right now.

So, Macs are pretty safe for now, but if their market share ever expands to Microsoft-like levels, watch out.

Yes, i agree Napoleon, this makes more sense then OSX being impervious to viruses. The whole point of writing a virus is ego driven, not much glory in the minority.

[projectdarkside]

Sorry. Reward to the person who creates the first virus for a Mac. The reward does not to the person who gets the virus. Sorry for the miscommunication.LMAO!! That would be sooooo funny if someone thought thats what it meant, and ended up with a $1000 dollar brick:tounge::tounge:

[Londonrockz568]

In my opinion, Macs are not virus-proof. Hackers just don't create viruses (virii?) for Macs because they crave the attention that widespread havoc causes, and the Microsoft Windows PC market is much more prevalent right now.

So, Macs are pretty safe for now, but if their market share ever expands to Microsoft-like levels, watch out.

As if Apple is going to be so naive and just sit back and let it happen. They'll prolly step up their really good security they already have.

[projectdarkside]

How do you make a virus lol:gasp:

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

As if Apple is going to be so naive and just sit back and let it happen. They'll prolly step up their really good security they already have.

And then the hackers will step up their really good hacking techniques and get past Apple's really good new security measures. :smile:

[acosmichippo]

except it'll go the other way around. exploit found... patched. another exploit found... patched. etc.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Sounding a bit like Microsoft, isn't it? :smile:

[aenti]

Apple is nothing special when it comes to security, in my eyes. It's had its fair share of lock ups from what I've heard.

Honestly, I agree with the idea that when OS X becomes more popular, Macs will be more virus-prone. Hackers really don't have incentives to develop virus' for a small time OS. Give it time.

And btw, let's not they hope they pull an "iPhone" when that happens. "What's that? You have a virus? We won't address it till the next Mac"

[projectdarkside]

Haha oooh that would suck:tounge:

[Londonrockz568]

except it'll go the other way around. exploit found... patched. another exploit found... patched. etc.

Exactly this is what will happen. Better hacking leads to better patches it'll only get harder. Its a cause and effect cycle. Better patches leads to better hacking rinse and repeat.

Apple is nothing special when it comes to security, in my eyes. It's had its fair share of lock ups from what I've heard.

Honestly, I agree with the idea that when OS X becomes more popular, Macs will be more virus-prone. Hackers really don't have incentives to develop virus' for a small time OS. Give it time.

And btw, let's not they hope they pull an "iPhone" when that happens. "What's that? You have a virus? We won't address it till the next Mac"

Im sure the if you take the device into the apple store and be like i have a virus, they will run a diagnostic and see that there is a virus. They will politely give you a brand new device and ship the old infected one off to Apple engineers for code reversal and apple will patch over it with the next firmware update.

It happens, but apple isnt going to just sit on their laurels and wait. If you can prepare just a bit so the small crap doesnt do carnage then you can concetrate on the large threat and how to fix it so it dosent happen again.

[acosmichippo]

Im sure the if you take the device into the apple store and be like i have a virus, they will run a diagnostic and see that there is a virus. They will politely give you a brand new device and ship the old infected one off to Apple engineers for code reversal and apple will patch over it with the next firmware update.

no way. They'll tell you "oh, that sucks... you should probably back up your data and reinstall OSX". There ARE viruses out there for macs, so they won't be awe-struck or anything.

[projectdarkside]

Can someone tell me how to make a virus :tounge:

[acosmichippo]

yeah, just install windows.

[projectdarkside]

Awwww ahahaha!! :tounge:

[Londonrockz568]

yeah, just install windows.


OMG LMFAO!!!!

Viruses are the direct opposite to downloads. Make a program that uploads and changes code to cause errors or problems. You will need Linux and very good C++ and code skills to at least make something decent enuff to get around an anti virus.

I could get into detail but im sure the TOS agreement much less any place will stop me from posting how to create a proper virus.

[projectdarkside]

I wanna see if the guy who stole my iPhone has a myspace so I can just ruin him virtually :)

[jsntrenkler]

Actually many professionals find Windows Vista to be a more secure environment than OS X. I agree with all those who have said Virus proliferation has to do with market share. Fact is, it does. There will be a day when those of us OS X users have to worry about a virus. To say there are no Viruses for OS X is actually not a true statement. There have been a few trojans written already as proof of concept, and one that targets fans of porn sites. Google it. For the record OS X is by far my favorite Operating System, I do however have to use Windows XP for work, I use Vista on a laptop for variety and I have Ubuntu 8.10 installed on a older laptop just to keep the juices flowing. One of the compelling reasons for me making the switch to the iPhone was the fact that Blackberries don't play too nice with OS X.

[jsntrenkler]

Here is a link to the Porn Warning:

http://www.intego.com/news/ism0803.asp

[jsntrenkler]

Here is a link to a proof of concept Virus, there are many more:

http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2006-110217-1331-99

[TarekElsakka]

This is just stupid and doesn't make sense. Any one can easily GET a virus and put it on the Macintosh then go blame Apple. I myself would do it. Plus, I have never gotten any viruses on my Mac OS X even though I surf unknown harmful websites and download unofficial programs, cracks, key generators, etc.

[mr.reggaeton72]

macs are vulnerable to viruses...

[mr.reggaeton72]

i know this is an old post, but i just had to say it, macs are vulnerable to viruses

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

You contradicted yourself in two posts.

[Europa]

So, why did you contradict yourself?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I think he meant, "macs are not invulnerable to viruses..."

[Europa]

There are no known Mac viruses currently in the wild. I am more concerned with other types of malware, such as Trojans. However, the odds of getting one are extremely low unless you download a lot of cracks and pirated software.

[mr.reggaeton72]

oh damn, my bad guys, i meant to say, MACS ARE VULNERABLE TO VIRUSES...

this is the thing, my classroom at college, its full of 3 geeks that are microsoft certified pros at computers, and 4 new guys(which im one of them) that just entered the computer world(i know a lot more then the other new guys lol)

one of the new guys had a mac, and i said, LET ME SEE IT, I WANT TO DEVELOP APPS FOR THE IPHONE, and all of this stuff, AND I EVEN SAID, I WANT TO GET A MAC BECAUSE THERE INMUNE TO VIRUSES, BUT I CANT AFFORD THEM...

one of the pros was listening to me, he pulled me to his alienware computer, and said

REGGAETON, **** macs, and rigth there, he showed me the OFFICIAL SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT FOR THE IPHONE, running on his windows, I WAS SHOCKED, IMPRESSED, OUTSTAND, i mean, everybody says its not possible, but he managed to have it, and i though, NO WONDER THIS GUY IS A PRO...i asked him how to get a the SDK for windows, he said, ill teach you later, all you have to do is hack it and reprogram it to work with windows, and i was like...OKKKKK I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, and he said, ill teach you...

he told me, REGGAETON, macs are not inmune to viruses, i can build a virus that will kill a mac in 5 seconds, remember, that Apple took a free operating system which was Linux, changed the name, the theme, and sold it for a price, so hacking a mac will be like hacking a linux, and i said, I DIDNT KNOW THAT...

so i guess Macs are not inmune to virus, then i asked my professor, he said, NO REGGAE, MACS ARE NOT INMUNE TO VIRUS, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THERES NO VIRUSES FOR MACS,

because everybody is targeting windows, WINDOWS IS THE BIG DOG, THE LEADER, THE OPTIMUS PRIME IN OPERATING SYSTEMS, and everybody wants to take out the big dog, virus makers are so busy developing for windows that they forget to develop for macs...and i said..OKKKK, ILL HAVE A LONG NIGTH COMMENTING THIS ON EIC...


PS. one of the pros have windows 7 ultimate, enterprise edition, we were testing it today and it ran great, im getting it tomorrow, i have no idea where he got it, but hes giving it to me for free...anybody lives in miami ?, ill glady drop it off...

[Europa]

It's well known that Mac's can get viruses. It's the lack of them in the wild that leads to the confusion.

[styfle]

How many of you here have ever developed software before? From the sound of it, not many. Lets clear this up: Mac's are not invulnerable to viruses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus). As stated several times in the thread, there are less people targeting Mac users because there are less people using OSX. I don't know where you get the idea that there are no known Mac viruses. If there were no know Mac viruses, why would there be Antivirus software for mac (http://www.symantec.com/norton/macintosh/antivirus). They obviously have a list of Mac viruses they are protecting the user from.

And yes, OSX is very secure compared to Windows (yes even vista or win7). It has a lot to do with permissions for accessing core files (thats why some software requires your admin password to install). If you download something on a Mac and run in, it is very unlikely it can do any serious harm because it can't access anything important. In fact, I think I'll write a program to prove my point.

[Europa]

I run an AV on my Mac, although it's probably not necessary.

[mr.reggaeton72]

How many of you here have ever developed software before? From the sound of it, not many. Lets clear this up: Mac's are not invulnerable to viruses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus). As stated several times in the thread, there are less people targeting Mac users because there are less people using OSX. I don't know where you get the idea that there are no known Mac viruses. If there were no know Mac viruses, why would there be Antivirus software for mac (http://www.symantec.com/norton/macintosh/antivirus). They obviously have a list of Mac viruses they are protecting the user from.

And yes, OSX is very secure compared to Windows (yes even vista or win7). It has a lot to do with permissions for accessing core files (thats why some software requires your admin password to install). If you download something on a Mac and run in, it is very unlikely it can do any serious harm because it can't access anything important. In fact, I think I'll write a program to prove my point.

yea thats true, macs are more secure than windows...because all that a virus does is alter the systems settings...and thats it, it was an interesting discussing in my classroom, where we were speaking from viruses that project a fake bluescreen of death as a screen saver and locks you out, from viruses that changes the booting files of the OS, and not allowing you to start up your computer...


and its true, many people are focused on windows, because its the big dog, not many people are focused on macs,

and the ability to get viruses, also stands for the iphone, my teacher cleared stated, AND I THOUGH THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE, and he said, YES REGGAETON IS TRUE...cause everything that has an OS, has settings, and anything that has settings, can get viruses, because all that a virus does is change the settings of a system

[acosmichippo]

That's over-simplifying a bit.

[Europa]

^ New avatar. I like it!

[acosmichippo]

me too. goin to see her tonight.

I <3 Nicole.

[Europa]

Cool! Have fun :)

[mr.reggaeton72]

How many of you here have ever developed software before? From the sound of it, not many. Lets clear this up: Mac's are not invulnerable to viruses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus). As stated several times in the thread, there are less people targeting Mac users because there are less people using OSX. I don't know where you get the idea that there are no known Mac viruses. If there were no know Mac viruses, why would there be Antivirus software for mac (http://www.symantec.com/norton/macintosh/antivirus). They obviously have a list of Mac viruses they are protecting the user from.

And yes, OSX is very secure compared to Windows (yes even vista or win7). It has a lot to do with permissions for accessing core files (thats why some software requires your admin password to install). If you download something on a Mac and run in, it is very unlikely it can do any serious harm because it can't access anything important. In fact, I think I'll write a program to prove my point.

Steve Jobs said it himself, several keynotes where he was announcing mac upgrades or something like that..he would mention MACS CANT GET VIRUS...and in a whole lot of ads, ads usually targeting windows, that little guy that pretends to be a mac, always says, BESIDES MACS CANT GET VIRUSES.. all of this ads are located at the apple website...you should go check them out

[acosmichippo]

Do you believe everything you see on tv?

[mr.reggaeton72]

Do you believe everything you see on tv?

so even your saying that Steve Jobs is lying, finally the first time that you have agreed with me.. finally you and me are on the same page, gracias..

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Yes, Steve Jobs is lying. No OS is immune to a virus written by a determined hacker.

[acosmichippo]

It's as much lying as it is to say Doritos have 0g trans fats, or [insert casino here] has the loosest slots in town.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Slots?

Oh, I thought you said something else. Sorry.

[Europa]

^:ok:ok


Have you guys seen Beavis and Butthead do America?
They're on a plane headed for Vegas and this pill popping old lady tells Beavis "there's so many slots, you won't know where to begin". Then he gets excited and helps himself to her bag of meds.

All I could find a remix. I guess it's better than nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQ4Zbigc5Y

[styfle]

Steve Jobs said it himself, several keynotes where he was announcing mac upgrades or something like that..he would mention MACS CANT GET VIRUS...and in a whole lot of ads, ads usually targeting windows, that little guy that pretends to be a mac, always says, BESIDES MACS CANT GET VIRUSES.. all of this ads are located at the apple website...you should go check them out
Source? I want a link. I haven't seen every keynote but I have never heard anyone (that knows what they are talking about) say Macs CANT get viruses.

PS, does anyone care to try my demonstration "program" on both windows and mac? lol

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

^:ok:ok


Have you guys seen Beavis and Butthead do America?
They're on a plane headed for Vegas and this pill popping old lady tells Beavis "there's so many slots, you won't know where to begin". Then he gets excited and helps himself to her bag of meds.

All I could find a remix. I guess it's better than nothing.

That was where I got my inspiration.

[Saverino]

Source? I want a link. I haven't seen every keynote but I have never heard anyone (that knows what they are talking about) say Macs CANT get viruses.

PS, does anyone care to try my demonstration "program" on both windows and mac? lol

I wouldn't mind guinea pigging... maybe. :dft008:suprised

[styfle]

Ok here you go Sav:
http://drop.io/ntaxuwb
It should work on Win/Mac/Linux.
If all goes as planned you'll see minimal activity on Mac and a lot more on windows...

[mr.reggaeton72]

Source? I want a link. I haven't seen every keynote but I have never heard anyone (that knows what they are talking about) say Macs CANT get viruses.

PS, does anyone care to try my demonstration "program" on both windows and mac? lol

All of the keynotes are on apple.com, search for the keynotes that focuse more on macs, and all of the ads are on apple.com too, watch for the ads that focus on Microsoft competition...

[acosmichippo]

the burden of proof is on you. We all know that the Mac ads often imply that PCs are more prone to getting viruses (which i think we all can agree with), but i don't think i've ever seen Apple say Macs can NOT get viruses.

[mr.reggaeton72]

Source? I want a link. I haven't seen every keynote but I have never heard anyone (that knows what they are talking about) say Macs CANT get viruses.

PS, does anyone care to try my demonstration "program" on both windows and mac? lol

look at this ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Z386vXrt4&feature=PlayList&p=1E52169BB43F0777&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

[Europa]

Reggae, I think you're reading between the lines in that ad. They did not say Macs cannot get viruses. As I said before, 0 in the wild, but not immune.

[mr.reggaeton72]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3328/macsr.png

[Europa]

Try again. You're still reading between the lines.

"without all the viruses" doesn't mean impervious to viruses.

Apple used to say no antivirus required on their website, they pulled that a while back.

Reggae, what class are you taking and why on Earth are you running IE?

[mr.reggaeton72]

Im currently at class, everyday from 6pm to 10pm, mon - fri, and im running IE because i cant install other web browsers, "its not permitted by the administration", but who gives a crap, im downloading firefox rigth now, thanks for reminding me that im running the worst web browser in the world..

and im studying Computer management information system, this is what im taking :

The Management Information Systems program will prepare candidates with the knowledge and skills necessary to prepare for the CompTIA certification exams for A+ / Network+ / Security+, the Microsoft certification exams for MCP / MCSA / MCSE and Cisco CCENT certification exam.

[acosmichippo]

You should be able to run the mobile firefox if you really want to ditch IE.

[mr.reggaeton72]

You should be able to run the mobile firefox if you really want to ditch IE.

i just finish installing firefox, its way snappier then windows IE and more reliable, the last time i used IE was when i was writing the ''THE IPHONE THE BEST PHONE EVER ?, I DONT THINK SO!!!'', post, im sure Europa remembers that post, it was an interesting topic, so anyway, i was writing that post for about 2 hours, and when im about to submit it, the famous, ''IE HAS JUST FOUND A PROBLEM AND CLOSED'', popup on my screen, and all i did was for nothing..i made a pledge that from that day forward i will never use IE, ever!!

[styfle]

All your sources fail. The first video ad that showed the PC character sick with a virus doesn't prove anything. The dude said there are 114,000 known viruses for PC's, but not Macs. That's true. And the Mac will be immune to those PC viruses just as a tree is immune to human viruses.
The second source fails as well for the same reason. The image claims that Mac does not get PC viruses. This is true as well. I'm still waiting for a claim that Mac's can not get viruses.

And lastly, hack a Mac for money is rewarded:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9710845-7.html
There are many events like this where the best hackers try to find exploits.

[danipoak]

oh damn, my bad guys, i meant to say, MACS ARE VULNERABLE TO VIRUSES...

this is the thing, my classroom at college, its full of 3 geeks that are microsoft certified pros at computers, and 4 new guys(which im one of them) that just entered the computer world(i know a lot more then the other new guys lol)

one of the new guys had a mac, and i said, LET ME SEE IT, I WANT TO DEVELOP APPS FOR THE IPHONE, and all of this stuff, AND I EVEN SAID, I WANT TO GET A MAC BECAUSE THERE INMUNE TO VIRUSES, BUT I CANT AFFORD THEM...

one of the pros was listening to me, he pulled me to his alienware computer, and said

REGGAETON, **** macs, and rigth there, he showed me the OFFICIAL SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT FOR THE IPHONE, running on his windows, I WAS SHOCKED, IMPRESSED, OUTSTAND, i mean, everybody says its not possible, but he managed to have it, and i though, NO WONDER THIS GUY IS A PRO...i asked him how to get a the SDK for windows, he said, ill teach you later, all you have to do is hack it and reprogram it to work with windows, and i was like...OKKKKK I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, and he said, ill teach you...

he told me, REGGAETON, macs are not inmune to viruses, i can build a virus that will kill a mac in 5 seconds, remember, that Apple took a free operating system which was Linux, changed the name, the theme, and sold it for a price, so hacking a mac will be like hacking a linux, and i said, I DIDNT KNOW THAT...

so i guess Macs are not inmune to virus, then i asked my professor, he said, NO REGGAE, MACS ARE NOT INMUNE TO VIRUS, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THERES NO VIRUSES FOR MACS,

because everybody is targeting windows, WINDOWS IS THE BIG DOG, THE LEADER, THE OPTIMUS PRIME IN OPERATING SYSTEMS, and everybody wants to take out the big dog, virus makers are so busy developing for windows that they forget to develop for macs...and i said..OKKKK, ILL HAVE A LONG NIGTH COMMENTING THIS ON EIC...


PS. one of the pros have windows 7 ultimate, enterprise edition, we were testing it today and it ran great, im getting it tomorrow, i have no idea where he got it, but hes giving it to me for free...anybody lives in miami ?, ill glady drop it off...

Lets clear up a few fallacies in this post. First of all OSX is in now way shape or form based on Linux. They are two separate systems. OSX is based off UNIX. Again, similar but not all the same. Second of all the reason Windows has more virus's is not simply because it is the "big dog." It is significantly easier to program one for Windows because of the system security. Ever notice on a OSX how you have to input your password every time you want to make any kind of system change? This makes it more difficult to program any kind of damaging virus. While some of the reason is because Windows is more popular it is far from the main reason. The same goes for Linux, BSD, or any UNIX based operating system.

[Europa]

Yeah, the fact that you're always running as root in Windows is a big part of the part.

[computerfox]

most viruses are written for microsoft so macs get less viruses due to the lower level of them designed for the macs. it doesn't mean that they can't get them, it's just there's not a lot for the mac.

[mr.reggaeton72]

most viruses are written for microsoft so macs get less viruses due to the lower level of them designed for the macs. it doesn't mean that they can't get them, it's just there's not a lot for the mac.

yes is true, but hey, when microsoft started, they had no viruses, but now that there worldwide, everybody targets them, cause virus programmers see, ''OH, WINDOWS IS HUGE, AND SINCE MORE THAN 90% OF COMPUTERS WORLDWIDE ARE RUNNING WINDOWS, LET ME CODE A VIRUS FOR WINDOWS''

and they dont code viruses for macs because not many users worldwide have macs

so what im trying to say is, just give Apple time, to grow in popularity, an as virus programmers see that macs are growing, they will think ''OH, MACS ARE GROWING WORLDWIDE, LET ME CODE A VIRUS FOR MACS''

its all about time, the more popular mac gets, the more attention its going to draw from virus programmers to code viruses built for macs...


BTW, whats with all the different languages of coding on your signature...?

[acosmichippo]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/NinjakZ/dead-horse.gif

[mr.reggaeton72]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/NinjakZ/dead-horse.gif

i really dont get it..

[iNinja]

i really dont get it..

Flogging a dead horse.

[mr.reggaeton72]

Flogging a dead horse.

i think its a camel...

[Europa]

I'm pretty sure it's a horse. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse

[styfle]

Maybe it's a tauntaun (sp?).