OMG Apple!!!

[BigCiX]

plans on selling the 3G at walmart. One of the reasons why i bought this phone is because everyone isn't walking around with one like the razor.

[aggieman]

plans on selling the 3G at walmart. One of the reasons why i bought this phone is because everyone isn't walking around with one like the razor.


LOL I see iPhones everywhere here in Dallas. It already is as bad as the Razr. I'm carrying my Blackberry Bold now which nobody has here in Dallas and when I don't carry it I have my Nokia N95-4 which i've only seen 2 times in the wild other than mine.

[BigCiX]

they wanna sell it black friday so hopefully its just that on that day with limited quantities. I sound like a big hater!!!

[OJsakila]

they wanna sell it black friday so hopefully its just that on that day with limited quantities. I sound like a big hater!!!

Keep dreaming. If it's going to be sold at walmart on Black Friday, then it'll be sold at walmart forever thereafter. Which, I agree, sucks.:angry:

[termleech]

LOL I see iPhones everywhere here in Dallas. It already is as bad as the Razr. I'm carrying my Blackberry Bold now which nobody has here in Dallas and when I don't carry it I have my Nokia N95-4 which i've only seen 2 times in the wild other than mine.

How did you get your hands on a BB Bold?

[BigCiX]

Keep dreaming. If it's going to be sold at walmart on Black Friday, then it'll be sold at walmart forever thereafter. Which, I agree, sucks.:angry:
not really. on blackfridays walmart gets alot of items in just for that day and that day only. my brother is a manager there so every year he'll let me know what they are getting just for the day.

[aggieman]

How did you get your hands on a BB Bold?

they are being sold unlocked everywhere if ya look hard enough (craigslist, ebay, resellers, etc). I found a preproduction AT&T branded unit that a guy that works for AT&T was peddling.

[OJsakila]

not really. on blackfridays walmart gets alot of items in just for that day and that day only. my brother is a manager there so every year he'll let me know what they are getting just for the day.

Let's keep our fingers crossed, then!

[impaler]

Wow, that's really elitest and obnoxious to worry that others will have access to iPhone at more places. I think it's a good thing and will bring in revenue for Apple.

[smknSRT8]

I agree impaler. This will only help Apple. More iPhones being sold which increases cash flow for apple thus being able to perform better. Also, any company in the world would
Be stupid not to want to work with walmart. If there is ever a company that just does everything better than other, is walmart.

[miggs1310]

who cares?

[OJsakila]

who cares?


lol :laugh2:

[Swagger]

I agree impaler. This will only help Apple. More iPhones being sold which increases cash flow for apple thus being able to perform better. Also, any company in the world would
Be stupid not to want to work with walmart. If there is ever a company that just does everything better than other, is walmart.

It has been said "If you are not doing business with Walmart You are not doing business". Now on to the elitist feelings being expressed here. I agree with that feeling. When you pay 3700 for a MacBook Pro, that you could have got the same Windows configuration for 800.00. You bought the Mac first because it performs better. Secondly we (or should I say I) buy for the status of owning a Mac. I also see the Mac purchase as an investment. Look at what iPhone v1 was selling for when the 3G's came out. Apple's core customer is high end buyers. When you devalue your product you lose that high end customer. You also open the door to another high end seller coming into the market and taking your high end business.

Take today for instance. When Steve announces a new line of cheaper laptops. You then begin to see a loss of status for Apple products. Would the high end buyer buy a Ferrari if the pool boy could also buy one??? Heck no!!! Also the 1200.00 MacBook is stripped down about as far as a computer can go. What configuration could they possibly sell cheaper that anyone would even want.

I think Apple should have either allowed their OS to be place on cheaper computers of another brand. Or rebranded the line of cheaper offerings (iPhone's, MacBooks and so forth) to something other than the Apple brand. I know this sounds vain, selfish and elitist but I am not liking all this devaluation at Apple at all. I'm sorry but those are my views. Mark

As A Footnote: I get so tired of people crying about the spoils of the rich. This is America anyone can attain wealth. You have to work harder and be more dedicated. Don't cry because the rich have "Put In More Work" than you...Mark

[jjvaldez]

You have the phone firbthe wrong reason, this phone was NEVER made fir the elite to have, or as a special phone that only " ballers" can get . Apple wants units in EVERY hand and I agree, everyone should get one (if they can) I think that it is awsome that it is at wallmart, more people that can get it there!

[dagoo98]

I don't understand.....when I bought the iPhone v1 for $600 everyone was saying it was too much money and Apple should lower the price. But you know what....a lot of people were passing on it because of the price so you didn't see many of them around day to day. Everyone said I'll wait until it's cheaper to get one.

Now that it's cheaper those same people who wanted it to be cheaper are upset now because so many other people are also willing to buy it/are able to afford it because of the new subsidized price. You can't please people..........

[miggs1310]

It has been said "If you are not doing business with Walmart You are not doing business". Now on to the elitest feelings being expressed here. I agree with that feeling. When you pay 3700 for a MacBook Pro, that you could have got the same Windows configuration for 800.00. You bought the Mac first because it performs better. Secondly we (or should I say I) buy for the status of owning a Mac. I also see the Mac purchase as an investment. Look at what iPhone v1 was selling for when the 3G's came out. Apple's core customer is high end buyers. When you devalue your product you lose that high end customer. You also open the door to another high end seller coming into the market and taking your high end business.

Take today for instance. When Steve announces a new line of cheaper laptops. You then begin to see a loss of status for Apple products. Would the high end buyer buy a Ferrari if the pool boy could also buy one??? Heck no!!! Also the 1200.00 MacBook is stripped down about as far as a computer can go. What configuration could they possibly sell cheaper that anyone would even want.

I think Apple should have either allowed their OS to be place on cheaper computers of another brand. Or rebranded the line of cheaper offerings (iPhone's, MacBooks and so forth) to something other than the Apple brand. I know this sounds vain, selfish and elitest but I am not liking all this devaluation at Apple at all. I'm sorry but those are my views. Mark


wow. so I guess you're pissed that I own one, I don't make much money but I bought mine for the "early upgrade" price of $499. Oh, I also bought my 17 year old sister one too, and she doesn't even have a job. Guess you should sell yours now, you don't want to be like the poor people do you?

[Swagger]

wow. so I guess you're pissed that I own one, I don't make much money but I bought mine for the "early upgrade" price of $499. Oh, I also bought my 17 year old sister one too, and she doesn't even have a job. Guess you should sell yours now, you don't want to be like the poor people do you?

Sir or Ma'am,
I am not downing anyone for their status in life. I am merely saying. I do not like seeing my "high priced toys" devalued by price drops and availability to the masses. I am sorry that you took offense to my comments as none was intended. Mark

BTW: Being rich is not a crime. Being rich is the pay off for having goals, reaching those goals, never taking no for an answer and working your butt off to be where you want to be...M

[miggs1310]

Sir or Ma'am,
I am not downing anyone for their status in life. I am merely saying. I do not like seeing my "high priced toys" devalued by price drops and availability to the masses. I am sorry that you took offense to my comments as none was intended. Mark

BTW: Being rich is not a crime. Being rich is the pay off for having goals, reaching those goals, never taking no for an answer and working your butt off to be where you want to be...M


if you're calling $199-299 a "high priced toy", then i think you should re-think your "swagger".

i wonder what your idea of rich is anyways, hmm.......:laugh2:

oh, and I wasn't offended. i think it's funny that people are actually getting butt-hurt because their "expensive toy" is being sold at wal-mart.

something tells me you wear a bluetooth.......and not just in your car

[Swagger]

if you're calling $199-299 a "high priced toy", then i think you should re-think your "swagger".

i wonder what your idea of rich is anyways, hmm.......:laugh2:

oh, and I wasn't offended. i think it's funny that people are actually getting butt-hurt because their "expensive toy" is being sold at wal-mart.

something tells me you wear a bluetooth.......and not just in your car

I bought the 600.00 version of the iPhone not the 199.00. Also I was speaking of Apple's high priced entire line up not just the iPhone. My idea of rich is when you no longer have to ask how much is. Just utter the words I'll take it. Mark

[miggs1310]

I bought the 600.00 version of the iPhone not the 199.00. Also I was speaking of Apple's high priced entire line up not just the iPhone. My idea of rich is when you no longer have to ask how much is. Just utter the words I'll take it. Mark


haha, look out the window.....:laugh2:

[acosmichippo]

I hope you're not implying only "rich" people attain goals they set for themselves, or work harder than other, less fortunate people.

Anyway, that's going off topic. The only problem I have with this whole thing is this... Current customers are demanding more and more features all the time, while apple is trying to lower the price to attract new customers. Now, as we have seen with the 3g, trying to cram all that stuff into a phone for $200 can only lead to lower quality materials and lower quality control standards.

[Swagger]

What you guys/girls don't understand is. Your comments here are a microcosm of why the wealthy separate from the poor or middle class. You get tired of having to apologize for the wealth you have attained. You get tired of the envy and jealousy so you surround yourself with people of like means. It is not anything personal nor the degradation of people of lesser means (at least not for me anyway). It is merely as I stated the tiring of explaining or apologizing for your wealth, plain and simple...Mark

[mrarmbar22]

I work in this industry and I promise you that it will not be sold at Wal-Mart.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Some of you guys crack me up.

"OMG! Everyone in my town has an iPhone! I need to find that super-rare cell phone I have stashed around somewhere but really hate so I can carry that around and try to look exclusive and cool for a day or two!

Jeez...

Hopefully, with stronger iPhone sales will come even better support.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

who cares?

As much as it pains me to agree with a Cowboys fan, he's absolutely right. :laugh2:

Who cares? I didn't buy an iPhone to impress others; I bought it to suit my needs.

[jsntrenkler]

I don't care if the iPhone is sold at Walmart, so what. I chose the iPhone over my previous blackberries because I love apple products, while no where near perfect it is still a great product. It doesn't matter where it can be purchased, as long as it can be purchased.

[dturner]

Even if it is sold at Wal-Mart, it will still be the same price as ATT,Best Buy,Apple. So as was stated before, who really cares. It's not like you will be able to walk in there and get the phone for $149.95. It will be the same price EVERYWHERE.

[Swagger]

Even if it is sold at Wal-Mart, it will still be the same price as ATT,Best Buy,Apple. So as was stated before, who really cares. It's not like you will be able to walk in there and get the phone for $149.95. It will be the same price EVERYWHERE.

I have to disagree with you. It will be two dollars cheaper just as the iPod is from any other seller including Apple itself. Walmart requires that they under sale everyone. Even if it is only by a dollar or two. You may think two dollars isn't much but it will (almost) buy you one share of Ford Motor Company stock. I'm sorry Ford that was mean. Mark

Dturner, just making light of this not trying to make you wrong by any means..LOL, Mark

[dturner]

I have to disagree with you. It will be two dollars cheaper just as the iPod is from any other seller including Apple itself. Walmart requires that they under sale everyone. Even if it is only by a dollar or two. You may think two dollars isn't much but it will (almost) buy you one share of Ford Motor Company stock. I'm sorry Ford that was mean. Mark

Dturner, just making light of this not trying to make you wrong by any means..LOL, Mark
No problem.:laugh2: I got it right away.
The other interesting thing is that if you still have to activate in store, this should be a sight to see. These people get no training what so ever. I bet what will happen is you will sign the contract at Wal-Mart and take it home to activate. Other wise I will go just to watch and have a good laugh.

[impaler]

I work in this industry and I promise you that it will not be sold at Wal-Mart.

I work in the industry too. That doesn't mean I know what's going on with Wal Mart. What piece of "inside" information do you have that suggests such a thing? I think you're wrong.

[Swagger]

No problem.:laugh2: I got it right away.
The other interesting thing is that if you still have to activate in store, this should be a sight to see. These people get no training what so ever. I bet what will happen is you will sign the contract at Wal-Mart and take it home to activate. Other wise I will go just to watch and have a good laugh.

Can you see the blue Walmart smocks having an Apple logo and the saying "All superheroes don't wear capes"??? :laugh2: Mark

[dturner]

Can you see the blue Walmart smocks having an Apple logo and the saying "All superheroes don't wear capes"??? :laugh2: Mark
:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Good one.

[aknightstale41]

Maybe they will start giving away an iphone with a happy meal at McDonalds, and the clown can activate it while the kids play on the jungle gym, that would be cool....but i prefer Chipotle.

[Swagger]

Maybe they will start giving away an iphone with a happy meal at McDonalds, and the clown can activate it while the kids play on the jungle gym, that would be cool....but i prefer Chipotle.

Please don't give Steve any ideas. There is a large gathering of soccer moms that frequent McDonalds (with playscapes) during the day. Mark

[aknightstale41]

Please don't give Steve any ideas. There is a large gathering of soccer moms that frequent McDonalds (with playscapes) during the day. Mark
lol, very true Mark

[FlwrPwer]

Mark, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here.

I bought a mac mini 4 1/2 years ago...the first mac desktop to be priced the way it was. The introduction of the mini in no way diminished Apple and the "high end" view that it has. I have now upgraded to an iMac. So the cheaper laptop, makes no sense.

Onto the goals part...Ummmm...I have two degrees and plan on going back for a doctorate. I am a teacher. I will never be rich, although I definitely work hard enough to be and have enough schooling to be. There goes that theory.

Finally, Apple is not seen as "high end." It's trendy. Plain and Simple. Apple products are trendy and if you don't like that assessment, then oh well. It goes with the girls wearing Uggs (I'm one of them) and designer jeans (have those too).

[OJsakila]

No problem.:laugh2: I got it right away.
The other interesting thing is that if you still have to activate in store, this should be a sight to see. These people get no training what so ever. I bet what will happen is you will sign the contract at Wal-Mart and take it home to activate. Other wise I will go just to watch and have a good laugh.

I heard that walmart will sell the 3g, however I also heard Apple is going to go back to home-activation. It's all hearsay, anyway.

[Hondamaker]

Take today for instance. When Steve announces a new line of cheaper laptops. You then begin to see a loss of status for Apple products. Would the high end buyer buy a Ferrari if the pool boy could also buy one??? Heck no!!! Also the 1200.00 MacBook is stripped down about as far as a computer can go. What configuration could they possibly sell cheaper that anyone would even want.

Mark, I don't know about you, but I buy a product, car, computer, phone, etc., to enjoy it. I would def. buy a Ferrari (if I could afford one), no matter who else or how many other people had one, simply to enjoy such a fine driving machine. Just like my iPhone. I love this thing, and I don't care how many other people have one, cause I still get to enjoy the bejesus out of it. The typical Wal Mart iPhone buyer will probably not jailbreak theirs, so my iPhone will be unique regardless. Just my 2 cents. :wink:

[dturner]

The typical Wal Mart iPhone buyer will probably not jailbreak theirs, :wink:
The typical Wal-Mart buyer around here probably doesn't even know what an Iphone is.:tounge:

[Swagger]

I want to be the first to say I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was not trying to be snobbish or rude. I do have a firm grasp on reality and where I came from. I was not born rich. I just always knew I wanted to be rich and worked darn hard at it until I got here.

As I stated before my comments were not meant to demean nor belittle anyone. I simply gave my detailed view of devaluing of products. I am truly sorry that so many of you took offense to my writing.

To the teacher with multiple degrees. I would first like to say. I believe all teachers are severely underpaid. You ladies and gentlemen that teach our youth are our future. I believe that your compensation should be much higher. I sincerely salute you all. Yes teaching will never make you rich in a monetary sense. Yet I am sure that you are fully enriched in a sense of pride in what you do.

Unfortunately this thread was about prices and price drops not personal enrichment. I therefore spoke to what the thread was discussing and not personal enrichment (as in rich in a mindset of ones goals being accomplished in life). You are welcome to start a thread in the off topic section and I will be glad to discuss my views on personal enrichment there. I might surprise you at what I have to say about that subject.

Don't hate me before you get to know me. I am the most laid back guy one could meet. I do stand by the things I write otherwise I would not write them. I do not (and may I repeat) do not write with the intention of hurting or disparaging anyone. I just don't live my life like that...Regards, Mark

[wigwam_salesman]

It has been said "If you are not doing business with Walmart You are not doing business". Now on to the elitist feelings being expressed here. I agree with that feeling. When you pay 3700 for a MacBook Pro, that you could have got the same Windows configuration for 800.00. You bought the Mac first because it performs better. Secondly we (or should I say I) buy for the status of owning a Mac. I also see the Mac purchase as an investment. Look at what iPhone v1 was selling for when the 3G's came out. Apple's core customer is high end buyers. When you devalue your product you lose that high end customer. You also open the door to another high end seller coming into the market and taking your high end business.

Take today for instance. When Steve announces a new line of cheaper laptops. You then begin to see a loss of status for Apple products. Would the high end buyer buy a Ferrari if the pool boy could also buy one??? Heck no!!! Also the 1200.00 MacBook is stripped down about as far as a computer can go. What configuration could they possibly sell cheaper that anyone would even want.

I think Apple should have either allowed their OS to be place on cheaper computers of another brand. Or rebranded the line of cheaper offerings (iPhone's, MacBooks and so forth) to something other than the Apple brand. I know this sounds vain, selfish and elitist but I am not liking all this devaluation at Apple at all. I'm sorry but those are my views. Mark

As A Footnote: I get so tired of people crying about the spoils of the rich. This is America anyone can attain wealth. You have to work harder and be more dedicated. Don't cry because the rich have "Put In More Work" than you...Mark
You. Tool.

the iPhone costs no more than any other non-subsidised smartphone would cost. I like the fact that I have one and I don't care if everyone else does. I bought it because it is good, not because it impresses other people.

And as for the waffle you are spouting about apples other products. Sure they are a PC in a party dress these days but they run OS X which is a better OS for a lot of people, including my design department. They shouldn't be so much more expensive now they use so many OEM parts and it's annoying but we still have to pay out for them if we want OS X.

[Swagger]

You. Tool.

the iPhone costs no more than any other non-subsidised smartphone would cost. I like the fact that I have one and I don't care if everyone else does. I bought it because it is good, not because it impresses other people.

And as for the waffle you are spouting about apples other products. Sure they are a PC in a party dress these days but they run OS X which is a better OS for a lot of people, including my design department. They shouldn't be so much more expensive now they use so many OEM parts and it's annoying but we still have to pay out for them if we want OS X.

Sir or Ma'am,
How is it that because your views are different than mine I am a (you wrote tool but I'm sure you meant fool) fool??? Last time I looked sir or ma'am this is America and I have the right to feel, speak and write however I choose. I do not need you to chastise me. I am an adult chastise your children if you have any.

I might be a lot of things. One thing I am not is a person that believes only my view is king. I respect others views even though I may not agree with them. A world of everyone thinking alike would be a world of robots. I stand by what I wrote and you or no one else will change my mind. I have a brain and thought process. I do not need you to think for me...Mark

BTW: Before you enter your comments read the WHOLE thread. Had you of done that you would have seen. We were speaking about price points from beginning until now. Your statement the iPhone costs what every other cellphone cost shows you did not read the thread. My iPhone like others here cost 600.00. That sir is not the cost of the average cellphone. You may have purchased yours for 199.99 but that is not what we were talking about. M

[BigCiX]

Even if it is sold at Wal-Mart, it will still be the same price as ATT,Best Buy,Apple. So as was stated before, who really cares. It's not like you will be able to walk in there and get the phone for $149.95. It will be the same price EVERYWHERE.

Black Fridays are usually cheaper. im guessing if it is sold on that day there will be some sort of "lower" price. My whole idea of this phone being sold at walmart is i think steve jobs is trying to lock down the phone business like apple locked down the mp3 business. Selling it at walmart is a damn good start!

[acosmichippo]

apple has extremely strict policies concerning product pricing. If wallmart offers any iphone deals (assuming they will be selling them, of course), it will be something like buy an iphone, and get $100 worth of accessories for free, or a $50 gift card, or $75 iTunes card...

[BigCiX]

that itune card sounds pretty right

[HBOC]

as far as the pricing on apple products, they are still over priced compared to a PC based laptop. Ofcourse apples hold their value and last longer, but that is not the point. I am buying a new apple Imac or MBP, havent decided yet....
I am going to art school for web design and need a faster computer, not Mac Pro (yet), but fast.

I also paid $500 for my iPhone. I told myself id never pay over $100 for a phone. lol.

macs appeal to a different crowd of people. It is a known fact. Even in my marketing book, it has a chapter on apple. I am buying one because they are powerhouses, gorgeous designed and reliable (hopefully there wont be viruses on them since they are becoming more popular by the day)...

[Swagger]

The basic idea of OpenDoc was to create small, reusable components, responsible for a specific task, such as text editing, bitmap editing or browsing an FTP server. OpenDoc provided a framework in which these components could run together, and a document format for storing the data created by each component.
__________________________________________________ _________


Beware of this Sam2008. He just started posting yet has a link in his signature. Which HECK NO I did not click on. Who knows where it will lead you. What he posted about in this thread MAKES NO SENSE because no one was talking about OpenDoc. I'm telling you something is not right with this post DO NOT CLICK ON HIS SIGNATURE LINK.... Mark

[OJsakila]

Beware of this Sam2008. He just started posting yet has a link in his signature. Which HECK NO I did not click on. Who knows where it will lead you. What he posted about in this thread MAKES NO SENSE because no one was talking about OpenDoc. I'm telling you something is not right with this post DO NOT CLICK ON HIS SIGNATURE LINK.... Mark

I agree this guy's post is off the wall. However, unless you have something against denim jeans, cheap ones I might add, I wouldn't be afraid of his link.

On an off note, I hope to see you reach the 1000 post milestone today at some point. It's been fun interacting with you the last year or so. Have a good day and I'm sure we'll be having a "discussion" soon.
Happy One Thousandth, Iphonian. :laugh2:

[LionOfTheSouthUK]

I agree this guy's post is off the wall. However, unless you have something against denim jeans, cheap ones I might add, I wouldn't be afraid of his link.

Cheap jeans??? Im sure Swagger wouldnt be interested in them??:laugh2:

[vegasflyby]

Beware of this Sam2008. He just started posting yet has a link in his signature. Which HECK NO I did not click on. Who knows where it will lead you. What he posted about in this thread MAKES NO SENSE because no one was talking about OpenDoc. I'm telling you something is not right with this post DO NOT CLICK ON HIS SIGNATURE LINK.... Mark

I've noticed people are starting to spam active threads now, instead or starting a new thread. They're getting sneakier and sneakier...

[Swagger]

I agree this guy's post is off the wall. However, unless you have something against denim jeans, cheap ones I might add, I wouldn't be afraid of his link.

On an off note, I hope to see you reach the 1000 post milestone today at some point. It's been fun interacting with you the last year or so. Have a good day and I'm sure we'll be having a "discussion" soon.
Happy One Thousandth, Iphonian. :laugh2:

Ahhh, the goodness comes out of OJ's heart. Thank you my friend (I mean that). Coming from you the thanks is extra special. I was LMAO at the "Discussion" part. You really made my morning, thanks OJ. Mark

To the Poster that stated I probably don't wear Carhartt. I have several pair's (Pants & Shirts) that I bought at Cabelas (imagine that). I do a lot of rugged photo shoots and I need sturdy clothing. Does wearing Carhartt deminish my Swagger??? Heck no. My swagger is intact whatever I'm wearing. As a treat for you I will try to find my first avatar at EIC (Back then EIP and my screen name was iPhonian as OJ pointed out) on location in full Carhartt attire. Life is Great, Mark

[miggs1310]

you wrote tool but I'm sure you meant fool???

nope, he meant tool. why am i not surprised you don't know that? anyways, i agree with him.

[Swagger]

nope, he meant tool. why am i not surprised you don't know that? anyways, i agree with him.

Find something better to do with your time than follow me around the forum and cry about everything I post NEWBIE!!! Go try and help some one like I do. What are you a stalker or something??? Mark

BTW: Who cares if you agree or disagree. News Flash: I do not post for your approval. Spend your time becoming wealthy then you might think like me. One thing is for sure. You will never get there following behind and agreeing with everything others say and do. It's just a natural fact some people were born to lead and some were born to follow. You have shown yourself as a follower. Don't blame me for that. I need my vehicles washed and polished the job is yours. Mark

[miggs1310]

holy crap you're an idiot. congrats, you just earned the first insult I've ever given on this forum. tool is an understatement.

[Swagger]

holy crap you're an idiot. congrats, you just earned the first insult I've ever given on this forum. tool is an understatement.

Flaming other forum members (especially long standing members) is a good way to get banned. If you want to remain here read the rules and go away quietly to another thread. You are out of your league here. Mark

[macgirl]

miggs1310 and Swagger: Please stop with the insults and get back to the topic at hand. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, move along.

[Swagger]

miggs1310 and Swagger: Please stop with the insults and get back to the topic at hand. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, move along.

Macgirl,
I have the highest respect for you. You know what makes me angry??? New members that come to the forum, never help anyone, yet enter every thread they believe they can argue in. A question was asked in this thread. I gave my opinion and several new members didn't like what I said. My opinion is merely that my opinion. You cannot please everyone with what you believe in. I think some people mistake the word forum for debate. I respect others views (if I agree or disagree). I am only asking for the same in return. I get tired of having to vigorously defend myself. Mark

[aknightstale41]

The inability to accommodate an opposing narrative is the bane of humanity, and the cause of many wars through out the ages.
Breath in,..... breath out, ohmmm :smile:

[acosmichippo]

humanity could use a bane every now and then.

[greenjbhsd]

I see a ton of them already. Just this past sunday my wife and I took our puppy to obedience school, it was graduation day. Of the 6 couples in the room 3 people took out V1 phones to take pictures (I had my normal camera). They are everywhere, half the time you might not notice with the all black back or all white of the new version. I want them out there, it means more complaints about the 3G service and more support for new apps. Very welcome from my perspective.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

The inability to accommodate an opposing narrative is the bane of humanity, and the cause of many wars through out the ages.
Breath in,..... breath out, ohmmm :smile:

"Haven't you noticed, we've been sharing our narratives with you all morning..." -- King Leonidas

[psylichon]

When I was in NYC this past weekend, out of everyone I saw doing something on their cellphone (which were quite a few), easily half of them were iPhones. I probably saw over a dozen in the short time I was there.

The other half were blackberries, btw.

[acosmichippo]

you only saw 24 people in new York city?

[smknSRT8]

you only saw 24 people in new York city?
HAHAHHHAHAHAHA i love it...
wierd though you would think that you would see a little bit more people there. Maybe there were just a lit of people sick that day?

[adnurahs]

It's nice to see an iPhone sighting. I would think you would see more in the city. When I'm there I see quite a few. Well, that's not actually fair because whenever i go i go to an Apple store and i then hang out and or travel/shop around the area so everyone and their grandmother, yes i saw a grandmother getting her iPhone on, has one in their paw.

I love going to the city and going to the Apple store on 5th and the one in SoHo. Awesome!!

as you branch out further and further away from the Apple store and surrounding areas then you see less and less of your brotheren.

[psylichon]

you only saw 24 people in new York city?

You missed the qualifier:

... out of everyone I saw doing something on their cellphone...

I was inside recording a concert most of the day. Only went out for food and coffee and cigarettes three times, and in that time I probably saw about 2 dozen folks using their phones.

[seb481]

I wish Apple made a more expensive iPhone for people like me who don't mind putting more money in to have something very few people have.

Yes, please go ahead and call me materialistic or whatever. I assume it! I do like to wear and have things most people don't.

I wouldn't mind paying my iPhone $599 (again) to have a phone different from others.

[Swagger]

I was just sitting here admiring the beautiful design of my naked v1 iPhone. I love this phone so much. Mark

[vegasflyby]

I wish Apple made a more expensive iPhone for people like me who don't mind putting more money in to have something very few people have.

Yes, please go ahead and call me materialistic or whatever. I assume it! I do like to wear and have things most people don't.

I wouldn't mind paying my iPhone $599 (again) to have a phone different from others.

Well...you could always get it gold plated... :)

http://www.goldstriker.co.uk/personal.html

or diamonds...

http://www.deveresoflondon.com/html/diamond_iphone.html

[Youngbinks]

I am certainly one of the most materialistic people you would ever meet. However, I really do not mind that Apple is trying to provide the iPhone to everyone. Sure it felt great the first few months that I had my v1 when everyone went "ooh" and "aah" but now that the market for iPhones is growing more and more developers are entering the playing field and we're starting to see more useful additions to the iPhone. Sure owning nice things feels great but with something as simple as a phone, I really don't mind at all.

[impaler]

I see a ton of them already. Just this past sunday my wife and I took our puppy to obedience school, it was graduation day. Of the 6 couples in the room 3 people took out V1 phones to take pictures (I had my normal camera). They are everywhere, half the time you might not notice with the all black back or all white of the new version. I want them out there, it means more complaints about the 3G service and more support for new apps. Very welcome from my perspective.

I think it's great they're popping up everywhere. They're now the second best-selling phone in the US, behind the RAZR. The good thing about them becoming popular is that it can generate good conversation and as the community builds, we can learn more and more best practices...and Apple will feel more a** pain each time there are hardware/software problems. I find it interesting and fun to ask people how they use their iPhones every time I see one.

[Swagger]

I wish Apple made a more expensive iPhone for people like me who don't mind putting more money in to have something very few people have.

Yes, please go ahead and call me materialistic or whatever. I assume it! I do like to wear and have things most people don't.

I wouldn't mind paying my iPhone $599 (again) to have a phone different from others.

I concur!!! I'm glad I am not the only one that feels that way. Like the difference between the MacBook & MacBook Pro. I think vegasflyby missed the whole stock (straight from Apple) but different thing. Mark

[Swagger]

I am certainly one of the most materialistic people you would ever meet. However, I really do not mind that Apple is trying to provide the iPhone to everyone. Sure it felt great the first few months that I had my v1 when everyone went "ooh" and "aah" but now that the market for iPhones is growing more and more developers are entering the playing field and we're starting to see more useful additions to the iPhone. Sure owning nice things feels great but with something as simple as a phone, I really don't mind at all.

YoungBlnks,
No you didn't say simple and iPhone in the same paragraph...:-) Mark

[nobopyon]

iPhone might get cheaper, but the plan is not necessary cheap! especially I had to add $15 additional for my texts!

[coasts]

I agree impaler. This will only help Apple. More iPhones being sold which increases cash flow for apple thus being able to perform better. Also, any company in the world would
Be stupid not to want to work with walmart. If there is ever a company that just does everything better than other, is walmart.

this is not true. walmart demands that their suppliers adapt to their way of doing business, so much that it eventually changes how other companies are run. the volumes are so attractive that smaller businesses bend to their commands and are then forced to lower and lower their prices, ultimately putting them out of business. monopolies work against suppliers and consumers. if you think that getting the best price is the most important factor when shopping, you'll always be spending your cash on garbage. i'm pissed that Apple would align themselves with such an outfit.

[coasts]

Finally, Apple is not seen as "high end." It's trendy. Plain and Simple. Apple products are trendy and if you don't like that assessment, then oh well. It goes with the girls wearing Uggs (I'm one of them) and designer jeans (have those too).

well said and without any ego. i like that.

[jsntrenkler]

iPhone might get cheaper, but the plan is not necessary cheap! especially I had to add $15 additional for my texts!

I know, sucks huh? ... I used to think Verizon was the only one who liked to Nickel and Dime you.

[coasts]

i read this whole thread from start to finish and now wish i hadn't.
i think less of some of you for the things that were said.
arrogance is as unattractive as ignorance.



"Don't truth me and I won't truth you" KVonnegut

[smknSRT8]

Mark, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here.

I bought a mac mini 4 1/2 years ago...the first mac desktop to be priced the way it was. The introduction of the mini in no way diminished Apple and the "high end" view that it has. I have now upgraded to an iMac. So the cheaper laptop, makes no sense.

Onto the goals part...Ummmm...I have two degrees and plan on going back for a doctorate. I am a teacher. I will never be rich, although I definitely work hard enough to be and have enough schooling to be. There goes that theory.

Finally, Apple is not seen as "high end." It's trendy. Plain and Simple. Apple products are trendy and if you don't like that assessment, then oh well. It goes with the girls wearing Uggs (I'm one of them) and designer jeans (have those too).

Wait I am confused, you are comparing uggs and designer jeans to apple and saying that apple isnt high end? Are you saying Uggs are trendy at a prices of about $100, and Designer jeans are trendy at a price of $250?
I think Apple is high end. That is just my opinion though. If Apple is not high end, what computers are?

[YvilKittyInSpace]

I think it's a good thing. The more people with iPhones, the better. Apple made it possible for anyone to own an iPhone by dropping the prices first and foremost. Adding additional stores was secondary.

[smknSRT8]

i read this whole thread from start to finish and now wish i hadn't.
i think less of some of you for the things that were said.
arrogance is as unattractive as ignorance.



"Don't truth me and I won't truth you" KVonnegut
If your quote is directed at me, which I am sure it is. Good. Everyone is titled to their own opinion.
I read a little online about WalMart and I may have been wrong about saying Apple should do business with them ONLY because of the side effects that working with WalMart has. But it would still increase cash flow apple more than not having walmart. Every company needs cash.

Until next time, I am a little closer to the weekend!

[smknSRT8]

I think it's a good thing. The more people with iPhones, the better. Apple made it possible for anyone to own an iPhone by dropping the prices first and foremost. Adding additional stores was secondary.
Watch what you say, coasts my think less of you...

[psylichon]

Um, Matt? I didn't get the impression he was referring to you. Read him again.

[coasts]

dave is right. I wasn't referring to you.

[Swagger]

Wait I am confused, you are comparing uggs and designer jeans to apple and saying that apple isnt high end? Are you saying Uggs are trendy at a prices of about $100, and Designer jeans are trendy at a price of $250?
I think Apple is high end. That is just my opinion though. If Apple is not high end, what computers are?

I don't know what FlwPwr's definition of high end is. When you spend 3800.00 for a consumer grade laptop. I would say yes it is trendy but most certainly high end. Mark

[Swagger]

i read this whole thread from start to finish and now wish i hadn't.
i think less of some of you for the things that were said.
arrogance is as unattractive as ignorance.



"Don't truth me and I won't truth you" KVonnegut

Sir,
If you think less of a person just because their views do not match yours. You are then what you accuse others of being, arrogant. What could be more arrogant than thinking only your opinion is correct. By the way, with me it isn't arrogance it's Swagger..:-)...Mark

[psylichon]

Mark, I disagree with your views on materialism, but I don't disagree that you have the right to state your opinion. I do think, however, that there is a way to present one's ideas to lessen the effect of one being "snooty," however this has never seemed to be your priority. It's all good, just differing styles. I mean, your name is swagger, after all.

Knowing what I know of Coasts, it's not surprising at all that he doesn't take to your style so well. I wouldn't lose sleep over it, though (as I'm sure you weren't going to) ;)

[FlwrPwer]

Trendy to me, means something that is very "in" to own.

I'm sorry, but not everything trendy is high end. Right now, it's very trendy to wear Peace signs...You can buy stuff with peace signs at Claires....so it's not high end...just trendy.

when I was in school, trendy was wearing jelly bracelets costing 5 cents each. Again, not high end.

One day, if Apple is not seen quite as "in" as it is now, it will no longer be trendy and then people who want the "best" will no longer want it. There could be something better.

That is my definition of trendy. So yes, Uggs are expensive, but they are trendy...in a few years, they could go out of style and I'm stuck with very expensives pairs of boots. Multiple pairs at that.

[FlwrPwer]

Sir,
If you think less of a person just because their views do not match yours. You are then what you accuse others of being, arrogant. What could be more arrogant than thinking only your opinion is correct. By the way, with me it isn't arrogance it's Swagger..:-)...Mark

I don't think he thinks less of you because of your views. I think he thinks less of you because of your views on people who are less fortunate than you. The fact that you think something you have is "tainted" because someone who doesnt have the means you have is using it, is quite disturbing, I'm sorry.

I don't feel that anything I own is tainted because someone less fortunate has or wants what i have.

copying is the highest form of flattery.

[CorbyD]

This is crazy, he's joking right (swagger)? Is this a bit?

To each his/her own I guess, just kinda sad in my opinion....

[OJsakila]

You'd think it was a bit. But this guy is serious. If you're not careful, he might fill up another 5 or 6 pages of blubbering incoherent self drivel.

[smknSRT8]

I don't know what FlwPwr's definition of high end is. When you spend 3800.00 for a consumer grade laptop. I would say yes it is trendy but most certainly high end. Mark
I agree with this. I consider Apple high end. That is not why I bought it at all. I bought it cause it is reliable and I do not have to run programs like spyware, anti-virus, disk defrag and cleanup. I but things for how they perform and if it happens to be designer or high end, so be it, if it is "affordable" (I did not say cheap, that talks about quality), then I save some money.

Let not get in a heated argument. Coasts, sorry for the quick assumption. I got little sleep this week and all I am looking forward to is my nap later today. I apologize.

Happy Hour anyone tomorrow? We can do it virtually over EIC.

[nobopyon]

This is actually interesting threads to read.... :tounge:

I personally, do not care where apple sells their products, as long as I love my iPhone, that's all I care. (well, of course, waiting for more updated software ....)

I did get my 3G on the day they came out, and enjoy the short moment of only "me" with iPhone3G... but from iPod history... I know this fame will die down very quick!

I'm wondering how this is such a big deal, (walmart selling iPhone).
Don't they sell iPods at Walmart already? (I remember seeing iPod shuffle selling at SAM's).
Doesn't almost everybody have iPod??

Personally, I think, it's just normal for apple to sell iPhone at walmart.

By the way, I didn't think UGGs is in trend anymore.... :tounge:

[psylichon]

Happy Hour anyone tomorrow? We can do it virtually over EIC.


Do not put off until tomorrow what you can achieve today.

[FlwrPwer]

This is actually interesting threads to read.... :tounge:

I personally, do not care where apple sells their products, as long as I love my iPhone, that's all I care. (well, of course, waiting for more updated software ....)

I did get my 3G on the day they came out, and enjoy the short moment of only "me" with iPhone3G... but from iPod history... I know this fame will die down very quick!

I'm wondering how this is such a big deal, (walmart selling iPhone).
Don't they sell iPods at Walmart already? (I remember seeing iPod shuffle selling at SAM's).
Doesn't almost everybody have iPod??

Personally, I think, it's just normal for apple to sell iPhone at walmart.

By the way, I didn't think UGGs is in trend anymore.... :tounge:

Totally off topic, but Uggs are most definitely still in trend. Trust me....I work with some of the trendiest people you will meet.

[Swagger]

I don't think he thinks less of you because of your views. I think he thinks less of you because of your views on people who are less fortunate than you. The fact that you think something you have is "tainted" because someone who doesnt have the means you have is using it, is quite disturbing, I'm sorry.

I don't feel that anything I own is tainted because someone less fortunate has or wants what i have.

copying is the highest form of flattery.

Ma'am,
Did you really read what I wrote??? I would hate to turn in a writing in your class. You totally misunderstood what I wrote. One poster here wrote exactly what I have been trying to say throughout the whole post. To offer the iPhone to the masses Apple cheapened the product. Why should I have to deal with cheap just to make people of less means happy??? By the same token why should people of less means go without an iPhone just because I can afford to pay 600.00+. My solution was to put out two versions. One made of superior materials for those of means. One made of cheaper materials for those of less means. Problem solved everyone is happy.

What most of you are saying here is people of means should lower their standards just to make everyone else happy. Yet when I say step up, because I'm not stepping down. Everyone labels me a snob and arrogant.

Just to let all of you know that is the furthest thing from true about me. The only thing is I am not going backwards just to please others. Does that mean I look down on others of less means, heck no.

The only reason I responded to Miggs as I did. He or she continued to go on and on with his or her foolishness directed at me. I love everyone. I am not selfish but I like what I like. Mark

[psylichon]

Mark, you can explain yourself all day till you're blue in the face (fingers?), but I still don't think you will make many friends with your "division of wealth" strategy. It's just not a popular view amongst those of more modest means. You surely know this. Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you unpopular :)

Look, the fact is there is only one iPhone, and right now it costs $200, which means average folks (like the ones that shop at Wallmart) can now buy one. We're all just going to have to come to terms with that (whether it makes you happy or not) because that's the reality of the situation. If you're proud that you spent more, good for you! But if you bought it thinking that it will always be expensive and a standout as a status symbol, then you don't truly understand how this technology thing works! ;)

I say that jokingly, because I know you do, Mark. But really now... stop digging your hole. You have an unpopular viewpoint, let's just leave it at that, ok?

[acosmichippo]

how are you going backwards to make others happy? Your iPhone still functions, does it not?

Really, just drop it man. We get it, you don't want to be pigeonholed.

[Swagger]

Mark, you can explain yourself all day till you're blue in the face (fingers?), but I still don't think you will make many friends with your "division of wealth" strategy. It's just not a popular view amongst those of more modest means. You surely know this. Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you unpopular :)

Look, the fact is there is only one iPhone, and right now it costs $200, which means average folks (like the ones that shop at Wallmart) can now buy one. We're all just going to have to come to terms with that (whether it makes you happy or not) because that's the reality of the situation. If you're proud that you spent more, good for you! But if you bought it thinking that it will always be expensive and a standout as a status symbol, then you don't truly understand how this technology thing works! ;)

I say that jokingly, because I know you do, Mark. But really now... stop digging your hole. You have an unpopular viewpoint, let's just leave it at that, ok?

Dave,
You have to admit. The OP did start a wonderful thread that invoked passions good or bad in all of us. I have not seen a lively thread like this at EIC in a long time. Everyone will get over their anger or dislike of me when I solve their next iPhone problem for them. I even learned to laugh at OJ today. His comment about me at the top of the page is pretty funny. Have a Wonderful Day My Friend, Mark

[acosmichippo]

yeah... Gotta make sure the peons know how to use their iPhone properly.

[Swagger]

yeah... Gotta make sure the peons know how to use their iPhone properly.

You said that. I didn't...Mark

[coasts]

Let not get in a heated argument. Coasts, sorry for the quick assumption. I got little sleep this week and all I am looking forward to is my nap later today. I apologize.

no worries...we're cool.

[BigCiX]

have i created a post full of animosity:confused:

[CorbyD]

Everyone will get over their anger or dislike of me when I solve their next iPhone problem for them.

is this why you have been "thanked" so many times.......oh wait:laugh2:


p.s. - the person you were "spatting" with has like 9 less than you.......in 900 less posts, not smart to throw stones in a glass house.

I haven't been here very long and I'm already turned off by some of the posts here.

[coasts]

Mark, you are a photographer. If you consider your photographs as art, than you are an artist. As an artist, your statements are deplorable. Somehow I expected more from you. I realize that's more my problem than yours and I won't persist to discuss it.

[Swagger]

is this why you have been "thanked" so many times.......oh wait:laugh2:


p.s. - the person you were "spatting" with has like 9 less than you.......in 900 less posts, not smart to throw stones in a glass house.

I haven't been here very long and I'm already turned off by some of the posts here.

Ok newbie then let me school you. First off some glitch erased All thanks for everyone a couple of months ago. Most of my post and thanks were before that time. Secondly click my name, look through 1000+ posts, see all the people I have helped that did not thank me. And last but not least come back to this thread and apologize to me for stating something you know nothing about. Mark

[Swagger]

Mark, you are a photographer. If you consider your photographs as art, than you are an artist. As an artist, your statements are deplorable. Somehow I expected more from you. I realize that's more my problem than yours and I won't persist to discuss it.

Sir,
I am sorry that you feel the way you do. I have a question for you (seriously). What do my views have to do with my artistic value??? Most photographers/artist I know are some of the most arrogant, ego driven people in life. I believe it's what brings about perfection in ones work. Mark

[CorbyD]

Ok newbie then let me school you. First off some glitch erased All thanks for everyone a couple of months ago. Most of my post and thanks were before that time. Secondly click my name, look through 1000+ posts, see all the people I have helped that did not thank me. And last but not least come back to this thread and apologize to me for stating something you know nothing about. Mark


I did look, most of your posts followed the same theme: someone asks legit question, you reply somewhat rudely, sometimes condescending, and with the occasional whine "use the search button", then someone has a problem with the way you addressed the question so you post something super generic that almost always begins with "dear sir or ma'am" and always ends with ".Mark"

No one is taking your side, not even the people you've supposedly "helped", does that mean anything to you?

I have no problems being a noob, I don't ever aspire to make over 1,000 posts on ANY internet forum. That is a milestone I can live without. I'm going to ignore this thread from now on so say what you will, I won't read it.

Have a good day!

[Swagger]

I hope you all feel great after using me as your "Whipping Boy" all day long. Hopefully you have relieved some stress. I'm going to retreat now it's almost ****tail hour. I will drink something cheap as I do not want to be labeled a snob. Instead of a wonderful top shelf martini (dry of course). I will drink the lowest priced vodka I can find (no olives and warm) out of a paper cup. Scratch the paper cup, straight out of the bottle, wrapped in a paper bag. I may sit next to a dumpster while doing this. I will leave my iPhone at home and put on some dirty wrinkled clothing. I will walk instead of drive. I will beg for the money needed for my cheap liquor (telling perspective contributors that I am hungry). Is that down and dirty enough for you??? :gasp: Mark

Have A Wonderful Evening All: Life is Great...M

[Hondamaker]

You guys remember the good ole days when the noobs were nice, polite and a little shy....?
Mark, I remember your 'iPhonian' days. You were ok by me then, and you still are now, just like the rest of you 'old-timers'. Ha, I remember my first real interaction with Dave (psylichon). I misunderstood him and ended up calling him an asswipe or something of the like. I did, however, apologize and we've been cool ever since. People, especially noobs (who may not yet know the character of a member here), need to just step back and re-read a post and try to understand the intention of the post before jumping in with insults and judgements. I'm notorious for doing that!

[Tex]

have i created a post full of animosity:confused:

It went down the ****ter faster than last nights hot wings.

[dturner]

this is not true. walmart demands that their suppliers adapt to their way of doing business, so much that it eventually changes how other companies are run. the volumes are so attractive that smaller businesses bend to their commands and are then forced to lower and lower their prices, ultimately putting them out of business. monopolies work against suppliers and consumers. if you think that getting the best price is the most important factor when shopping, you'll always be spending your cash on garbage. i'm pissed that Apple would align themselves with such an outfit.
I totally agree with everything you say and I too am a little disappointed at Apple for the move. But I still don't think the price of the phone will be different than anywhere else. I believe this is a rare case of Wal-Mart wanting Apple instead of the usual other way around.
This is different than buying a Dell or HP computer from Wal-Mart. People buy these things with out doing their homework thinking that just because it is a name brand it must be good. They don't stop to think that these are very low end computers made to be sold cheap, which supports the statement in bold above.

[OJsakila]

You guys remember the good ole days when the noobs were nice, polite and a little shy....?


I've been an ass since day one.

[Swagger]

I've been an ass since day one.

OJ,
Finally we agree on something. Mark

P.S. Please don't get started. I had to say that..:-)

[coasts]

I totally agree with everything you say and I too am a little disappointed at Apple for the move. But I still don't think the price of the phone will be different than anywhere else. I believe this is a rare case of Wal-Mart wanting Apple instead of the usual other way around.
This is different than buying a Dell or HP computer from Wal-Mart. People buy these things with out doing their homework thinking that just because it is a name brand it must be good. They don't stop to think that these are very low end computers made to be sold cheap, which supports the statement in bold above.

...and I agree with you. I don't think Walmart will discount the phone. My comment that you referenced was more of a broad view on how Walmart undermines quality by constantly pushing lower and lower costs at consumers. Manufacturers are forced to lower their overhead and materials costs in order to meet Walmart's price point, yet people still believe they're getting a good "value". Value is an interesting concept and I think many overlook it's meaning. I'm not saying Apple would go this route, but it's for these reasons that I am not a Walmart shopper.

[dragonmxle]

Mark, I am a newbie and I am not rich. From what I can read from your posts in this thread, you are:
1. Hard worker
2. Rich (and want to make sure that the whole world knows that you are rich)
3. Not happy that now people can buy the iphone cheaper than what you paid.

My questions to you, if you are really rich:
Why would you hang around this forum with people with lesser means? Shouldn't you be playing golf with your rich friends? or traveling all over the world?
Why don't you just ask Apple to custom make a special phone just for you? so, no one will have the same phone.


Something tells me that you want to pretend to be rich, buying $600 phone to brag to your friends (with lesser means). But in reality, you are just a nobody, a wannabe...

The rich people that I know, they don't even carry a cell phone, their persoanl assitant carry the phone for them.

[CorbyD]

...and I agree with you. I don't think Walmart will discount the phone. My comment that you referenced was more of a broad view on how Walmart undermines quality by constantly pushing lower and lower costs at consumers. Manufacturers are forced to lower their overhead and materials costs in order to meet Walmart's price point, yet people still believe they're getting a good "value". Value is an interesting concept and I think many overlook it's meaning. I'm not saying Apple would go this route, but it's for these reasons that I am not a Walmart shopper.


I'm only asking because I don't understand, but are you saying that I could buy an xbox at wal-mart, and then buy one somewhere else, and they will be different? So the Griffin car charger I bought at wal-mart is different than one purchased at an apple store?

I don't know how it works so please be patient with me. Thank you

[dturner]

I am not a Walmart shopper.
Nor am I my friend. I would much rather travel a little farther (if needed) and shop someplace where I know I will get service and knowledge about the product I am about to purchase.

[Swagger]

Mark, I am a newbie and I am not rich. From what I can read from your posts in this thread, you are:
1. Hard worker
2. Rich (and want to make sure that the whole world knows that you are rich)
3. Not happy that now people can buy the iphone cheaper than what you paid.

My questions to you, if you are really rich:
Why would you hang around this forum with people with lesser means? Shouldn't you be playing golf with your rich friends? or traveling all over the world?
Why don't you just ask Apple to custom make a special phone just for you? so, no one will have the same phone.


Something tells me that you want to pretend to be rich, buying $600 phone to brag to your friends (with lesser means). But in reality, you are just a nobody, a wannabe...

The rich people that I know, they don't even carry a cell phone, their persoanl assitant carry the phone for them.

What would satisfy your curiosity??? A copy of my financial portfolio??? Are you saying wealthy people can't love electronics??? Are you ignorant enough to believe that all wealthy people play golf and don't carry a cellphone??? Please don't display your ignorance for the whole world to see. Read my signature and don't "sting" yourself to many times. Mark

[dragonmxle]

What would satisfy your curiosity??? A copy of my financial portfolio??? Are you saying wealthy people can't love electronics??? Are you ignorant enough to believe that all wealthy people play golf and don't carry a cellphone??? Please don't display your ignorance for the whole world to see. Read my signature and don't "sting" yourself to many times. Mark

Actually, I think your signature fits you better. Wannabe...

[smknSRT8]

Mark, I am a newbie and I am not rich. From what I can read from your posts in this thread, you are:
1. Hard worker
2. Rich (and want to make sure that the whole world knows that you are rich)
3. Not happy that now people can buy the iphone cheaper than what you paid.

My questions to you, if you are really rich:
Why would you hang around this forum with people with lesser means? Shouldn't you be playing golf with your rich friends? or traveling all over the world?
Why don't you just ask Apple to custom make a special phone just for you? so, no one will have the same phone.


Something tells me that you want to pretend to be rich, buying $600 phone to brag to your friends (with lesser means). But in reality, you are just a nobody, a wannabe...

The rich people that I know, they don't even carry a cell phone, their persoanl assitant carry the phone for them.

Wow. This post takes some balls to say this. Did you also read the post where he said he earned every penny he made in his career. Is it a bad thing to be proud of what you earned? I do know one thing, Mark is in photography, he does not have a boss that is making him go out there and take some pictures, HE is going out and taking pictures. Just because people pay top dollar for his work makes him an a@#$*(&? NO.

Mark I am happy for you, I have seen a bunch of your photos and they all are fantastic.
I love that there is a stereotype about business men and golf. It kind of makes me laugh and grin, because I love golf and business. Did you ever think that it is a good relaxed place to talk a little business outside of an office? How come no one says, "Look at that CEO who took a client to a baseball game, what a jerk." But I would bet that just as many people take clients to sporting events as they do golf courses. I am just amazed that you can go out of your day to say these things.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

[Witness]

Wow these new people need to get off Marks D***, who cares what he thinks. Show some respect.

[Swagger]

Actually, I think your signature fits you better. Wannabe...

Don't be angry with me because you had to wait for a price drop to purchase an iPhone. People like you are why I made the comments I did in this post. Everytime this country goes through rough financial times. The hatred of the rich grows by leaps and bounds. You are probably the type that would key my vehicle in the parking lot because you can't afford one. Thank you you just validated eveything I have written in this thread. Mark

[coasts]

Actually, I think your signature fits you better. Wannabe...

There is a civil way to have an arguement, but name calling isn't a part of it.

[OJsakila]

There is a civil way to have an arguement, but name calling isn't a part of it.


You are kidding, right? :) this whole thread is name calling. (actually it's a braggart and bunch of dummies that continue to try and talk sense into the fool, tool, all the above),..it took you 13 pages to just get that?

I'm the one to argue with but it's just not that worthy of an OJ involvement...

[dragonmxle]

There is a civil way to have an arguement, but name calling isn't a part of it.

Ok. You have a good point, I apologize for the name calling.

[Swagger]

Damn I've never even been attacked by OJ like that. He or She is trying to take your title OJ..:-). Mark

[dragonmxle]

Wow. This post takes some balls to say this. Did you also read the post where he said he earned every penny he made in his career. Is it a bad thing to be proud of what you earned? I do know one thing, Mark is in photography, he does not have a boss that is making him go out there and take some pictures, HE is going out and taking pictures. Just because people pay top dollar for his work makes him an a@#$*(&? NO.

Mark I am happy for you, I have seen a bunch of your photos and they all are fantastic.
I love that there is a stereotype about business men and golf. It kind of makes me laugh and grin, because I love golf and business. Did you ever think that it is a good relaxed place to talk a little business outside of an office? How come no one says, "Look at that CEO who took a client to a baseball game, what a jerk." But I would bet that just as many people take clients to sporting events as they do golf courses. I am just amazed that you can go out of your day to say these things.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

I did read that he is a hard worker and earned every penny. I have no problem with that, I am happy for him. The thing is, if he is so pissed that people like me can get an iphone now in a Walmart, he should just get a fancier gadget.

I am an avid golfer myself (5.2 index in case you are interested), probably that is why this was the first thing that crossed my mind, I was not stereotyping.

Why do you even ask what do I do for a living? Just to satisfy your curiousity, I own a chain of little dinky restaurants in Mexico.

[HBOC]

ya know, this whole concept of the iphone being sold at walmart is rediculous. Its not like it is going to be $99. Apple effed up when they had best buy sell it. Their people are incompetent (maybe as much as bogs) and BEST BUY IS the WALMART of electronics.
I know not everyone has an apple store near them (there are 3 in Oregon, and all 3 are within 20 minutes of me), so this made it more accessable to people who arent fortunate to have an apple store nearby.

Now the same thing for photography can be made by the fact that canon came out with the DREB in 02'. It was the first DSLR that was "affordable to the masses". I mean they had the D30, D60 and the 1 series (all Canon cameras, not Nikon), but they were out of the reach of most people.

So when the DREB came out, photography became main stream. I bet you 70% of photographers out there that shoot weddings do so with a sub $1000 camera. I, myself, bought a 30D due to the fact that i knew that i wasnt going to be a professional at that point in time.

Oh and i paid $500 for my iPhone, but am not rich...yet.

[Swagger]

I did read that he is a hard worker and earned every penny. I have no problem with that, I am happy for him. The thing is, if he is so pissed that people like me can get an iphone now in a Walmart, he should just get a fancier gadget.

I am an avid golfer myself (5.2 index in case you are interested), probably that is why this was the first thing that crossed my mind, I was not stereotyping.

Why do you even ask what do I do for a living? Just to satisfy your curiousity, I own a chain of little dinky restaurants in Mexico.

Please tell me the name so next time I'm in Mexico. I will be sure not to dine there. Mark

P.S. It takes a real man or woman to apologize when they have made a fool of their self. Any time you are ready. I will be waiting.

[HBOC]

also to note on the photography tangent i went on, i bet 70, even 75% of all pro photographers nowadays hadn't even shoot a roll of Velvia RVP 50 through a film body. I still several rolls of velvia chillin in the freezer:) I sadly had my EOS 3 stolen.

[impaler]

Ma'am,
Did you really read what I wrote??? I would hate to turn in a writing in your class.

Okay...you're kind of being a douche. Just let it go. Nobody really cares what you think other than you.

[FlwrPwer]

Okay...you're kind of being a douche. Just let it go. Nobody really cares what you think other than you.

Thank you for sticking up for me....but I don't have any issues with what he said. He can go and ask any one of my students, and i have 50 of them, and they will all tell you that I understand them better than almost anyone :wink:

Onto something Mark said though....I waited for the price drop and I'm sorry, but I'm not near poor...or rich for that matter. I'm a regular middle-class person who realized that a $600 cell phone was not something I needed at that point in my life. Not because I couldn't afford it...I most definitely could, but it was not a necessity. I would rather go and spend $600 on many pairs of shoes than on one cell phone. :wink:

I don't want to be rich. I never do. Material things don't make one happy. I know this because I was given everything I ever wanted as a child. And when I say everything, I mean everything. I have more tiffany's jewelry than you can imagine and more designer bags than you can count. But guess what....none of that makes me happy. Sure, I like having them....but they dont dictate my happiness.

What does? The idea that every day I get up in the morning to see 50 students who love me and are waiting for me to make their life a little better. The idea that I, as one person, am changing the world by teaching the future how to read and do math. The fact that my students come to me before they go to anyone else with their problems. I'm healthy. I have a family who supports me in my decisions. I have friends that keep me sane, most of the time. And most importantly, I like who I am.

Those are the things that make you happy and if anyone has fooled themself into thinking it's the material things that make you happy....then I truly do feel sorry for you. "The best things in life are free" and no truer words were ever spoken.

[Hondamaker]

Okay...you're kind of being a douche. Just let it go. Nobody really cares what you think other than you.
Man, what a bunch of a-holes! Can't you people let someone voice an opinion without the childish bickering and name-calling? Sure, you all have freedom of speech, but you really don't have the right to insult someone over a difference of opinion. If you want to troll and act all righteous and snobby, go to a PC support forum.:tounge:

[FlwrPwer]

Man, what a bunch of a-holes! Can't you people let someone voice an opinion without the childish bickering and name-calling? Sure, you all have freedom of speech, but you really don't have the right to insult someone over a difference of opinion. If you want to troll and act all righteous and snobby, go to a PC support forum.:tounge:

Jack, you know I like you, but he isn't innocent here either. I'm sorry. He completely insulted me and my teaching skills because apparently, to him, I missed the point.

If he can dish it out, he has to be able to take it. Plain and simple.

[Hondamaker]

Onto something Mark said though....I waited for the price drop and I'm sorry, but I'm not near poor...or rich for that matter. I'm a regular middle-class person who realized that a $600 cell phone was not something I needed at that point in my life. Not because I couldn't afford it...I most definitely could, but it was not a necessity. I would rather go and spend $600 on many pairs of shoes than on one cell phone. :wink:

I don't want to be rich. I never do. Material things don't make one happy. I too enjoyed the price drop, but I do want to be rich, and I love material things! :wink:

[impaler]

if anyone has fooled themself into thinking it's the material things that make you happy....then I truly do feel sorry for you. "The best things in life are free" and no truer words were ever spoken.

I also feel sorry for people that surround themselves with "things" when at the end of the day, those won't make one happy. Also doing the teaching thing right now and it's been amazing.

[Swagger]

Okay...you're kind of being a douche. Just let it go. Nobody really cares what you think other than you.

Apparently you do. You continue to post and read this thread.

I was one of the last to switch to digital. I'm now hooked especially with the new line of "available light" cameras on the market. I am diehard Nikon. Always have been always will be. Mark

[FlwrPwer]

I too enjoyed the price drop, but I do want to be rich, and I love material things! :wink:

Oh, I love them too. I'm constantly buying stuff....the difference is, I'd still be as happy without them as I am with them.

Why? because my life has a purpose other than them...other than thinking I'm better than someone else because of what I have.

[impaler]

Apparently you do.

Nope, I really don't. Just not going to let someone spout off and not have something to say about it. Enjoy your Nikon.

[Hondamaker]

Jack, you know I like you, but he isn't innocent here either. I'm sorry. He completely insulted me and my teaching skills because apparently, to him, I missed the point.

If he can dish it out, he has to be able to take it. Plain and simple.Well, I didn't read that post, I guess. My bad! I don't support his remarks towards you, Karen! :2cool:

[impaler]

Well, I didn't read that post, I guess. My bad! I don't support his remarks towards you, Karen! :2cool:

Well, karma's a moth** fu****, isn't it? :-) Please, let's end this thread, it's really off track now.

[FlwrPwer]

Well, I didn't read that post, I guess. My bad! I don't support his remarks towards you, Karen! :2cool:

No prob! I still like ya! :wink:

[CorbyD]

Thank you for sticking up for me....but I don't have any issues with what he said. He can go and ask any one of my students, and i have 50 of them, and they will all tell you that I understand them better than almost anyone :wink:

Onto something Mark said though....I waited for the price drop and I'm sorry, but I'm not near poor...or rich for that matter. I'm a regular middle-class person who realized that a $600 cell phone was not something I needed at that point in my life. Not because I couldn't afford it...I most definitely could, but it was not a necessity. I would rather go and spend $600 on many pairs of shoes than on one cell phone. :wink:

I don't want to be rich. I never do. Material things don't make one happy. I know this because I was given everything I ever wanted as a child. And when I say everything, I mean everything. I have more tiffany's jewelry than you can imagine and more designer bags than you can count. But guess what....none of that makes me happy. Sure, I like having them....but they dont dictate my happiness.

What does? The idea that every day I get up in the morning to see 50 students who love me and are waiting for me to make their life a little better. The idea that I, as one person, am changing the world by teaching the future how to read and do math. The fact that my students come to me before they go to anyone else with their problems. I'm healthy. I have a family who supports me in my decisions. I have friends that keep me sane, most of the time. And most importantly, I like who I am.

Those are the things that make you happy and if anyone has fooled themself into thinking it's the material things that make you happy....then I truly do feel sorry for you. "The best things in life are free" and no truer words were ever spoken.


I wish I could give you a thousand "thanks"

[OJsakila]

Man, what a bunch of a-holes! Can't you people let someone voice an opinion without the childish bickering and name-calling? Sure, you all have freedom of speech, but you really don't have the right to insult someone over a difference of opinion. If you want to troll and act all righteous and snobby, go to a PC support forum.:tounge:

The beauty of an argument with me is illiciting these (un)lady like emotionally charged responses. To be able to "push your button" without resorting to namecalling is incredibly entertaining. Notice how the longest most drawn out blabbering hen pecking posts are women... And Swagger.
Not to get on Swagger's bad side (again) but this is usually how his posts go. That is at the very root of why I'm able to make him squeal.
... Not anymore since the cat's now out the bag...

Swagger- you have truley earned your 1000+ posts, the hard way.



Now the real question is "am I the pot or the kettle?"

[Hondamaker]

Well, karma's a moth** fu****, isn't it? :-) Please, let's end this thread, it's really off track now.
OK, Vlad, I didn't say anything to end up on the receiving end of karma (in this thread, at least), good or bad, so step the f off.

[Hondamaker]

The beauty of an argument with me is illiciting these (un)lady like emotionally charged responses. To be able to "push your button" without resorting to namecalling is incredibly entertaining. Notice how the longest most drawn out blabbering hen pecking posts are women... And Swagger.
Not to get on Swagger's bad side (again) but this is usually how his posts go. That is at the very root of why I'm able to make him squeel.
... Not anymore since the cat's now out the bag...

Swagger- you have truley earned your 1000+ posts, the hard way.Yeah, it is somewhat entertaining. Oh, and it's spelled squeal. :wink:

[OJsakila]

Yeah, it is somewhat entertaining. Oh, and it's spelled squeal. :wink:
_Spelling corrected The Bulliet Bourbon is starting to take............

[smknSRT8]

Thank you for sticking up for me....but I don't have any issues with what he said. He can go and ask any one of my students, and i have 50 of them, and they will all tell you that I understand them better than almost anyone :wink:

Onto something Mark said though....I waited for the price drop and I'm sorry, but I'm not near poor...or rich for that matter. I'm a regular middle-class person who realized that a $600 cell phone was not something I needed at that point in my life. Not because I couldn't afford it...I most definitely could, but it was not a necessity. I would rather go and spend $600 on many pairs of shoes than on one cell phone. :wink:

I don't want to be rich. I never do. Material things don't make one happy. I know this because I was given everything I ever wanted as a child. And when I say everything, I mean everything. I have more tiffany's jewelry than you can imagine and more designer bags than you can count. But guess what....none of that makes me happy. Sure, I like having them....but they dont dictate my happiness.

What does? The idea that every day I get up in the morning to see 50 students who love me and are waiting for me to make their life a little better. The idea that I, as one person, am changing the world by teaching the future how to read and do math. The fact that my students come to me before they go to anyone else with their problems. I'm healthy. I have a family who supports me in my decisions. I have friends that keep me sane, most of the time. And most importantly, I like who I am.

Those are the things that make you happy and if anyone has fooled themself into thinking it's the material things that make you happy....then I truly do feel sorry for you. "The best things in life are free" and no truer words were ever spoken.
Well said flwr,
What I am about to say might get people angry, I am not saying that no one else is hard worker but..
It is very difficult to be a good teacher. I have experienced many bad teachers and many great ones. It is ashamed all the hard work that they put little credit people give them. Without teachers where would we be? I respect most* of my teachers because of what they are teaching me for the future. Good work flwr. BTW don't mention Tiffany's around me, I lost my cuff links that I had from them, I loved them!

[Swagger]

May I please do what a forum is intended for? Ask a question. Many of you are angered because my view is different than yours. Is there really any need for a forum if everyone feels, thinks and acts alike. The OP asked a question. I gave my opinion. The barrage of insults and name calling began.

People accused me of things I did not say. Flwrpwr I never disrespected your teaching ability. If you believe I did. You once again have misunderstood me. I said you misunderstood what I wrote and you did. I said I didn't know what your idea of high end was. You went into a long explination about trendy. The text is there read and you will see.

Don't the auto makers and most every other business make a high and low end product? Do you get angry at the business for making both walks of life happy??? Would everyone have been more happy had I of just agreed with everyone else like a robot???

I read a saying somewhere that I really liked. I will share it with you all. I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not...Mark

[FlwrPwer]

Well said flwr,
What I am about to say might get people angry, I am not saying that no one else is hard worker but..
It is very difficult to be a good teacher. I have experienced many bad teachers and many great ones. It is ashamed all the hard work that they put little credit people give them. Without teachers where would we be? I respect most* of my teachers because of what they are teaching me for the future. Good work flwr. BTW don't mention Tiffany's around me, I lost my cuff links that I had from them, I loved them!

If I lost any of my Tiffany's pieces, there'd be hell to pay!!! :wink:

Actually, I have so much that I don't wear it. I'm thinking of selling some of my sets on ebay. Of course, that'll give me money to buy new stuff :wink:

[FlwrPwer]

Ma'am,
I would hate to turn in a writing in your class.

That, my friend, is not exactly calling me a great teacher. That, to me, is insulting how I read what my students turn in.

[Swagger]

That, my friend, is not exactly calling me a great teacher. That, to me, is insulting how I read what my students turn in.

Ma'am
I gave a glowing review of teachers in this thread. You mentioned nothing about that. I want to ask you something. Are teachers today teaching our youth to attack someone with different views??? Is that how these mad men that go to war instead of understand that everyone is different are made??? I would think that you and the other educator in this forum would have been the last to attack a person based on a difference of views. Please explain that to me. I would really like to know. Mark

[OJsakila]

May I please do what a forum is intended for? Ask a question. Many of you are angered because my view is different than yours. Is there really any need for a forum if everyone feels, thinks and acts alike. The OP asked a question. I gave my opinion. The barrage of insults and name calling began.

People accused me of things I did not say. Flwrpwr I never disrespected your teaching ability. If you believe I did. You once again have misunderstood me. I said you misunderstood what I wrote and you did. I said I didn't know what your idea of high end was. You went into a long explination about trendy. The text is there read and you will see.

Don't the auto makers and most every other business make a high and low end product? Do you get angry at the business for making both walks of life happy??? Would everyone have been more happy had I of just agreed with everyone else like a robot???

I read a saying somewhere that I really liked. I will share it with you all. I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not...Mark


It's like this with a "high percentage" of upper upper class folks..in particular, Hollywood types (if this consists of artists or not, I'm not sure), But outlandish self praising and off-the-chart (in particular,political) views are looked upon like one would look at a child having a temper tantrum.....Totally oblivious to world around you!
That's sort of, in a nutshell, what's going on around here. You and I know each other well enough to know that I'm trying to show you a little respect by telling you this.

Personally, since I'm sort of an outsider on this one, I could care less. I enjoy poking you.:):):):)

[Swagger]

It's like this with a "high percentage" of upper upper class folks..in particular, Hollywood types (if this consists of artists or not, I'm not sure), But outlandish self praising and off-the-chart (in particular,political) views are looked upon like one would look at a child having a temper tantrum.....Totally oblivious to world around you!
That's sort of, in a nutshell, what's going on around here. You and I know each other well enough to know that I'm trying to show you a little respect by telling you this.

Personally, since I'm sort of an outsider on this one, I could care less. I enjoy poking you.

OJ,
If you go back and read my first post in this thread you will see that I did not start out lambasting anyone. I merely gave my opinion of the OP's question. It was when everyone (well almost everyone) attacked me that things turned nasty. Heck this thread is now ready to take the most posts thread away from the thread about iPhone porn. Mark

Note to Self: Self don't allow people to bring out the worst in you.

[FlwrPwer]

Ma'am,
Did you really read what I wrote??? I would hate to turn in a writing in your class. You totally misunderstood what I wrote. One poster here wrote exactly what I have been trying to say throughout the whole post. To offer the iPhone to the masses Apple cheapened the product. Why should I have to deal with cheap just to make people of less means happy??? By the same token why should people of less means go without an iPhone just because I can afford to pay 600.00+. My solution was to put out two versions. One made of superior materials for those of means. One made of cheaper materials for those of less means. Problem solved everyone is happy.

What most of you are saying here is people of means should lower their standards just to make everyone else happy. Yet when I say step up, because I'm not stepping down. Everyone labels me a snob and arrogant.

Just to let all of you know that is the furthest thing from true about me. The only thing is I am not going backwards just to please others. Does that mean I look down on others of less means, heck no.

The only reason I responded to Miggs as I did. He or she continued to go on and on with his or her foolishness directed at me. I love everyone. I am not selfish but I like what I like. Mark

Ma'am
I gave a glowing review of teachers in this thread. You mentioned nothing about that. I want to ask you something. Are teachers today teaching our youth to attack someone with different views??? Is that how these mad men that go to war instead of understand that everyone is different are made??? I would think that you and the other educator in this forum would have been the last to attack a person based on a difference of views. Please explain that to me. I would really like to know. Mark

When did I attack you? I have disagreed with you, yes....and I have explained why others might, but I never attacked you in any way. I didn't call you names, or anything of that nature. When did I attack?

[OJsakila]

When did I attack you? I have disagreed with you, yes....and I have explained why others might, but I never attacked you in any way. I didn't call you names, or anything of that nature. When did I attack?


Have a drink...it's all anti-climax now.:laugh2: **fingers xrossed**

[Swagger]

When did I attack you? I have disagreed with you, yes....and I have explained why others might, but I never attacked you in any way. I didn't call you names, or anything of that nature. When did I attack?

Ma'am,
I never said you did. To end all of this, this will be my last post in this forum. I will let all the new people have fun. I was suppose to be relaxing for the week and got pulled (no put myself) into this two day long discussion. I like to write when I'm not shooting and I really used to enjoy coming here. I see why so many old timers have left. I think it is sad when people can't agree to disagree. There isn't much more to be said about the iPhone anyway. Farewell All, Mark

[OJsakila]

Ma'am,
I never said you did. To end all of this, this will be my last post in this forum. I will let all the new people have fun. I was suppose to be relaxing for the week and got pulled (no put myself) into this two day long discussion. I like to write when I'm not shooting and I really used to enjoy coming here. I see why so many old timers have left. I think it is sad when people can't agree to disagree. There isn't much more to be said about the iPhone anyway. Farewell All, Mark

As I recall, this is the second time you "left." Didn't you "leave" a year ago when I/people really got your goat? Even changed your name. Calm down mix a cosmolpalotin or an appletini or whatever and come back for a better day. I know you're upset...you should have seen my daughter's fit when I told her we couldn't go back to Disney World again this year! She puts you to shame.:tounge:

[dturner]

As recall, this is the second time you "left." Calm down mix a cosmolpalotin or an appletini or whatever and come back for a better day. I know you're upset...you should have seen my daughter's fit when I told her we couldn't go back to Disney World again this year! She puts you to shame.:tounge:
Time for you to quit mixing.:tounge:

[OJsakila]

Time for you to quit mixing.:tounge:


lololol yeeaaa

[coasts]

I'm only asking because I don't understand, but are you saying that I could buy an xbox at wal-mart, and then buy one somewhere else, and they will be different? So the Griffin car charger I bought at wal-mart is different than one purchased at an apple store?

I don't know how it works so please be patient with me. Thank you

hey corby...im not saying that manufacturers produce lesser quality products to sell at Walmart. however, companies like Walmart push manufacturers to sell their products at a lesser cost. as a result, the manufacturer must find new ways to reduce their costs, which ultimately either ruins the company or the product, itself.

[psylichon]

http://www.duffgardens.net/content/editorials/img/shark.gif

[Ramesh]

Ma'am,
I never said you did. To end all of this, this will be my last post in this forum. I will let all the new people have fun. I was suppose to be relaxing for the week and got pulled (no put myself) into this two day long discussion. I like to write when I'm not shooting and I really used to enjoy coming here. I see why so many old timers have left. I think it is sad when people can't agree to disagree. There isn't much more to be said about the iPhone anyway. Farewell All, Mark

I've read every post in this godforsaken thread. This has got to be one of the most absurd threads I've read in a VERY long time.

Mark - you leaving.... again? [sigh] EiC's out of control. Helpful people leave, douches who do nothing stay and are lauded.

This thread should have been locked a LONG time ago.

[lady_bugz22]

WOW...talk about a heated thread. I love shopping @ Walmart w/their cheaper prices it helped me save money so I could buy my Coach purse & my $600 v1 iPhone:tounge:

[OJsakila]

WOW...talk about a heated thread. I love shopping @ Walmart w/their cheaper prices it helped me save money so I could buy my Coach purse & my $600 v1 iPhone:tounge:

Great quote. You summed it up.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg144/OJsakila/einstein3.jpg

[coasts]

As I recall, this is the second time you "left." Didn't you "leave" a year ago when I/people really got your goat? Even changed your name. Calm down mix a cosmolpalotin or an appletini or whatever and come back for a better day. I know you're upset...you should have seen my daughter's fit when I told her we couldn't go back to Disney World again this year! She puts you to shame.:tounge:

you're right...this is the second time Mark bit off more than he could chew and bailed out. he's so strong in his convictions, but so quick to pack it in. i wish our current president suffered the same weakness in character.


"a hungry mob is an angry mob" BM

[dturner]

im not saying that manufacturers produce lesser quality products to sell at Walmart.
Especially in the electronic line, some manufacturers do produce models for the discount arena. Using my computer example from earlier, you can't buy high end Dell computers at discount stores because they would exceed the price point the stores want to attract customers. So what you end up with is a computer with little ram, integrated sound boards, lower quality video cards,ect.

And yes, I agree this childish thread should have been lock hours ago.

[OJsakila]

you're right...this is the second time Mark bit off more than he could chew and bailed out. he's so strong in his convictions, but so quick to pack it in. i wish our current president suffered the same weakness in character.


"a hungry mob is an angry mob" BM

Man you speak the truth! Mark and I pm'ed our ass off a year ago over the real OJ or something stupid...then he abruptly left!

I admit, I am extremely confrontational...but come on...all you regulars know me and treat me appropiatley..including this site's administration. Mark just wears his emotions on his sleeve.
Looks like one huge bullseye to me!
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg144/OJsakila/bullseye.jpg

[acosmichippo]

Note to Self: Self don't allow people to bring out the worst in you.


lol

you hardly need us for that.

[acosmichippo]

May I please do what a forum is intended for? Ask a question. Many of you are angered because my view is different than yours. Is there really any need for a forum if everyone feels, thinks and acts alike. The OP asked a question. I gave my opinion. The barrage of insults and name calling began.

I think the issue here is not your opinion. After all, many people have admitted they felt the same way about iphone exclusivity, and you don't see them getting torn apart, do you? The issue is how you choose to offend people by stating your opinion, while not even realizing what you're saying is offensive. Even when you attempt to make nice, you throw in self-absorbed, *******-ish comments that perpetuate this nonsense.

if you want specific examples, i'll be more than happy to provide them.

[HBOC]

Hey, i shop at walbogs. I admit. I am going to school full time and working full time. $450 a credit is rough on the wallet. I wish i could make a living doing photography, but i just feel i am not "quite there" yet. maybe another year or so...

[CorbyD]

hey corby...im not saying that manufacturers produce lesser quality products to sell at Walmart. however, companies like Walmart push manufacturers to sell their products at a lesser cost. as a result, the manufacturer must find new ways to reduce their costs, which ultimately either ruins the company or the product, itself.


got it. thank you for explaining:2cool:

[Elbacanazo920]

They sell iPhones in the Bodega up the block in my Neighborhood (but I doubt their Authenticity)

[smknSRT8]

if you do a google search "walmart and suppliers" there are plenty of articles out there begins the real walmart. Coasts is 100% correct. They push their supplier to have the lowest price possible, and if they don't? See ya later supplier. The supplier can't say no, walmart is most likely the largest customer they have. There is a Pareto rule, 80% of profits come from 20% of the customers. They force the supplier to make it cheaper, most likely, it is outsourcing. Losing jobs In the US and taking money out of the economy.
Coasts you have really openned up my eyes about walmart. I am going to bring it up in my next class when we talk about in house or out sourcing.

[nyc_rock]

if you do a google search "walmart and suppliers" there are plenty of articles out there begins the real walmart. Coasts is 100% correct. They push their supplier to have the lowest price possible, and if they don't? See ya later supplier. The supplier can't say no, walmart is most likely the largest customer they have. There is a Pareto rule, 80% of profits come from 20% of the customers. They force the supplier to make it cheaper, most likely, it is outsourcing. Losing jobs In the US and taking money out of the economy.
Coasts you have really openned up my eyes about walmart. I am going to bring it up in my next class when we talk about in house or out sourcing.


When you do discuss it in your class be sure to mention the savings that the average consumer gets in the form of the lower prices Walmart offers.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

Yes, please go ahead and call me materialistic or whatever. I assume it! I do like to wear and have things most people don't.


Cool. The way the economy is going, you can walk around next year with a bag of food; that'll impress the common people!

[dturner]

if you do a google search "walmart and suppliers" there are plenty of articles out there begins the real walmart. Coasts is 100% correct. They push their supplier to have the lowest price possible, and if they don't? See ya later supplier. The supplier can't say no, walmart is most likely the largest customer they have. There is a Pareto rule, 80% of profits come from 20% of the customers. They force the supplier to make it cheaper, most likely, it is outsourcing. Losing jobs In the US and taking money out of the economy.
Coasts you have really openned up my eyes about walmart. I am going to bring it up in my next class when we talk about in house or out sourcing.
There is a very interesting documentary that is on from time to time called " The high cost of lower prices". It deals with Wal-Mart and their practices. Everyone should try to watch it.

[nyc_rock]

There is a very interesting documentary that is on from time to time called " The high cost of lower prices". It deals with Wal-Mart and their practices. Everyone should try to watch it.


Was it brought to us by your local cashiers union?

[Elbacanazo920]

Was it brought to us by your local cashiers union?
When I was in high School one of my teachers showed us that Flick it is actually pretty intresting and F'd Up at the same time.

[nyc_rock]

When I was in high School one of my teachers showed us that Flick it is actually pretty intresting and F'd Up at the same time.


Makes perfect sense since your teacher is part of the most powerful union in the country. Im just saying, that film was propoganda.

[Tex]

Ma'am,
I never said you did. To end all of this, this will be my last post in this forum. I will let all the new people have fun. I was suppose to be relaxing for the week and got pulled (no put myself) into this two day long discussion. I like to write when I'm not shooting and I really used to enjoy coming here. I see why so many old timers have left. I think it is sad when people can't agree to disagree. There isn't much more to be said about the iPhone anyway. Farewell All, Mark

I havn't said much in this thread (I probably shouldn't say anything, but everyone else and their mother got involved so why not me). I have sat on the sidelines and laughed at how people could really chose to argue over such a inconsequential topic (to each their own). I will say this, though...If you want to point your finger at ANYONE for not letting people "agree to disagree", point it at yourself, Mark. You could have let it all go 2 days ago, but you kept "blaming" people for "attacking" you. Perhaps, as you put it from your perspective, they were just stating "their opinions", which so happened to be counter to your own.....oh well, I guess you can't stand it when people disagree with you, and you conversely took some kind of offense to their disagreement and blamed it on "newbs". Big deal. :rolleyes: Reality is you got overly deffensive very quickly, and turned the subject from iPhones being sold at Walmart, to an analysis of how you view the status of those with wealth compared to those who don't....that is when this topic took a nose dive.

In fact, anything anyone writes here is their opinion, which they are entitled too wether they are a "newb" or "old timer" (LOL, really? Mature.), ....so why are you the exception? Yes, your opinion stated earlier in this thread is NOT shared by many (if anyone) here....People have their own right to point out how your words could have indeed been taken offensivly (which obviously had been to some, within reason).

New people on here have the same rights to opinions as you. You don't get a special badge b/c you recently hit 1000 posts, or b/c you have been around since July 2007 (yeah, "old timer" indeed...lol. Amazing.). Luckily, the internet isn't for elitists either. WIth that comes the reality that you have to let things go, and move on. So you say something on a forum that offends someone? Ignore their response, then, if you can't handle their disdane for your comment. They are not wrong for feeling that way, as much as you apparently are not wrong for feeling they way you do. It seems like you are tired of defending something you obviously hold firm on, and so be it. I don't agree with it, but what does that matter? You live your life, I live mine.

Forum's that run wild, like this one, are no good to anyone. Buying a iPhone at Walmart is no different than buying it at Best Buy or eBay or the Apple Store. It is a phone. It is a manufactured good, that contains no special power or provide anyone with any type of status upgrade in life. Thankfully we live in America, and everyone has a right to be able to purchase this phone if they can afford it within their means. They are not dropping the price, but if they did - all the better. If the manufacturer wants to expand its consumer base, than great! Buying something for personal status to impress others is ridiculous, IMO. That is NOT what the iPhone is about. Never was. Never will be. Go get your iPhone platted in gold if you feel that you need to have something for status' sake.

Carry on. I am guessing since this is your 2nd time leaving, you'll most likely come back one day. Hope you get your emotions in order, and can come to the table to discuss more logical and sensical topics on this message board.

[seb481]

Wow, things are going a little out of hand here... People, let's calm down. Ok, no, wait, let's organize a mudd fight!

I'm kiddiiiiiiiiiiiing... :laugh2:

[lady_bugz22]

I havn't said much in this thread (I probably shouldn't say anything, but everyone else and their mother got involved so why not me). I have sat on the sidelines and laughed at how people could really chose to argue over such a inconsequential topic (to each their own). I will say this, though...If you want to point your finger at ANYONE for not letting people "agree to disagree", point it at yourself, Mark. You could have let it all go 2 days ago, but you kept "blaming" people for "attacking" you. Perhaps, as you put it from your perspective, they were just stating "their opinions", which so happened to be counter to your own.....oh well, I guess you can't stand it when people disagree with you, and you conversely took some kind of offense to their disagreement and blamed it on "newbs". Big deal. :rolleyes: Reality is you got overly deffensive very quickly, and turned the subject from iPhones being sold at Walmart, to an analysis of how you view the status of those with wealth compared to those who don't....that is when this topic took a nose dive.

In fact, anything anyone writes here is their opinion, which they are entitled too wether they are a "newb" or "old timer" (LOL, really? Mature.), ....so why are you the exception? Yes, your opinion stated earlier in this thread is NOT shared by many (if anyone) here....People have their own right to point out how your words could have indeed been taken offensivly (which obviously had been to some, within reason).

New people on here have the same rights to opinions as you. You don't get a special badge b/c you recently hit 1000 posts, or b/c you have been around since July 2007 (yeah, "old timer" indeed...lol. Amazing.). Luckily, the internet isn't for elitists either. WIth that comes the reality that you have to let things go, and move on. So you say something on a forum that offends someone? Ignore their response, then, if you can't handle their disdane for your comment. They are not wrong for feeling that way, as much as you apparently are not wrong for feeling they way you do. It seems like you are tired of defending something you obviously hold firm on, and so be it. I don't agree with it, but what does that matter? You live your life, I live mine.

Forum's that run wild, like this one, are no good to anyone. Buying a iPhone at Walmart is no different than buying it at Best Buy or eBay or the Apple Store. It is a phone. It is a manufactured good, that contains no special power or provide anyone with any type of status upgrade in life. Thankfully we live in America, and everyone has a right to be able to purchase this phone if they can afford it within their means. They are not dropping the price, but if they did - all the better. If the manufacturer wants to expand its consumer base, than great! Buying something for personal status to impress others is ridiculous, IMO. That is NOT what the iPhone is about. Never was. Never will be. Go get your iPhone platted in gold if you feel that you need to have something for status' sake.

Carry on. I am guessing since this is your 2nd time leaving, you'll most likely come back one day. Hope you get your emotions in order, and can come to the table to discuss more logical and sensical topics on this message board.


Very well said, Tex!

[nyc_rock]

"Buying a iPhone at Walmart is no different than buying it at Best Buy or eBay or the Apple Store. It is a phone. It is a manufactured good, that contains no special power or provide anyone with any type of status upgrade in life. Thankfully we live in America, and everyone has a right to be able to purchase this phone if they can afford it within their means. They are not dropping the price, but if they did - all the better. If the manufacturer wants to expand its consumer base, than great! Buying something for personal status to impress others is ridiculous, IMO. That is NOT what the iPhone is about. Never was. Never will be. Go get your iPhone platted in gold if you feel that you need to have something for status' sake."

Here Here!!!

[cappiels]

I agree, more people should have the phone... a rising tide raises all ships. My iPhone rocks, but I'm the genius that picked it... it didn't pick me. If someone at Walmart is smart enough to choose the iPhone, good for them, maybe they're on the path toward enlightenment!

[Hondamaker]

You're missing one thing--Anyone can get an iPhone from Apple or ATT, just like anyone can get one from WallyWorld if they start selling them. You're still gonna need ATT in the USA, so what difference does it make where you get it? Joe Dirt or Richie Rich can go to either store and get one. IMHO.:smile:

[dturner]

You're missing one thing--Anyone can get an iPhone from Apple or ATT, just like anyone can get one from WallyWorld if they start selling them. You're still gonna need ATT in the USA, so what difference does it make where you get it? Joe Dirt or Richie Rich can go to either store and get one. IMHO.:smile:
That is exactly right and you will pay the same no matter where you choose to get it. Is your phone better because you said you got it at the Apple Store and your friend got his at Wal-Mart? Same phone people. And at the end of the day if something goes wrong with the phone, you only have one choice for service. Apple.

[impaler]

I thought this thread would fizzle out like a bad fart (quoting Sam Kinison)--but here we are.

[dragonmxle]

I havn't said much in this thread (I probably shouldn't say anything, but everyone else and their mother got involved so why not me). I have sat on the sidelines and laughed at how people could really chose to argue over such a inconsequential topic (to each their own). I will say this, though...If you want to point your finger at ANYONE for not letting people "agree to disagree", point it at yourself, Mark. You could have let it all go 2 days ago, but you kept "blaming" people for "attacking" you. Perhaps, as you put it from your perspective, they were just stating "their opinions", which so happened to be counter to your own.....oh well, I guess you can't stand it when people disagree with you, and you conversely took some kind of offense to their disagreement and blamed it on "newbs". Big deal. :rolleyes: Reality is you got overly deffensive very quickly, and turned the subject from iPhones being sold at Walmart, to an analysis of how you view the status of those with wealth compared to those who don't....that is when this topic took a nose dive.

In fact, anything anyone writes here is their opinion, which they are entitled too wether they are a "newb" or "old timer" (LOL, really? Mature.), ....so why are you the exception? Yes, your opinion stated earlier in this thread is NOT shared by many (if anyone) here....People have their own right to point out how your words could have indeed been taken offensivly (which obviously had been to some, within reason).

New people on here have the same rights to opinions as you. You don't get a special badge b/c you recently hit 1000 posts, or b/c you have been around since July 2007 (yeah, "old timer" indeed...lol. Amazing.). Luckily, the internet isn't for elitists either. WIth that comes the reality that you have to let things go, and move on. So you say something on a forum that offends someone? Ignore their response, then, if you can't handle their disdane for your comment. They are not wrong for feeling that way, as much as you apparently are not wrong for feeling they way you do. It seems like you are tired of defending something you obviously hold firm on, and so be it. I don't agree with it, but what does that matter? You live your life, I live mine.

Forum's that run wild, like this one, are no good to anyone. Buying a iPhone at Walmart is no different than buying it at Best Buy or eBay or the Apple Store. It is a phone. It is a manufactured good, that contains no special power or provide anyone with any type of status upgrade in life. Thankfully we live in America, and everyone has a right to be able to purchase this phone if they can afford it within their means. They are not dropping the price, but if they did - all the better. If the manufacturer wants to expand its consumer base, than great! Buying something for personal status to impress others is ridiculous, IMO. That is NOT what the iPhone is about. Never was. Never will be. Go get your iPhone platted in gold if you feel that you need to have something for status' sake.

Carry on. I am guessing since this is your 2nd time leaving, you'll most likely come back one day. Hope you get your emotions in order, and can come to the table to discuss more logical and sensical topics on this message board.


Tex, Thank you, Thank you , Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OJsakila]

I havn't said much in this thread (I probably shouldn't say anything, but everyone else and their mother got involved so why not me). I have sat on the sidelines and laughed at how people could really chose to argue over such a inconsequential topic (to each their own). I will say this, though...If you want to point your finger at ANYONE for not letting people "agree to disagree", point it at yourself, Mark. You could have let it all go 2 days ago, but you kept "blaming" people for "attacking" you. Perhaps, as you put it from your perspective, they were just stating "their opinions", which so happened to be counter to your own.....oh well, I guess you can't stand it when people disagree with you, and you conversely took some kind of offense to their disagreement and blamed it on "newbs". Big deal. :rolleyes: Reality is you got overly deffensive very quickly, and turned the subject from iPhones being sold at Walmart, to an analysis of how you view the status of those with wealth compared to those who don't....that is when this topic took a nose dive.

In fact, anything anyone writes here is their opinion, which they are entitled too wether they are a "newb" or "old timer" (LOL, really? Mature.), ....so why are you the exception? Yes, your opinion stated earlier in this thread is NOT shared by many (if anyone) here....People have their own right to point out how your words could have indeed been taken offensivly (which obviously had been to some, within reason).

New people on here have the same rights to opinions as you. You don't get a special badge b/c you recently hit 1000 posts, or b/c you have been around since July 2007 (yeah, "old timer" indeed...lol. Amazing.). Luckily, the internet isn't for elitists either. WIth that comes the reality that you have to let things go, and move on. So you say something on a forum that offends someone? Ignore their response, then, if you can't handle their disdane for your comment. They are not wrong for feeling that way, as much as you apparently are not wrong for feeling they way you do. It seems like you are tired of defending something you obviously hold firm on, and so be it. I don't agree with it, but what does that matter? You live your life, I live mine.

Forum's that run wild, like this one, are no good to anyone. Buying a iPhone at Walmart is no different than buying it at Best Buy or eBay or the Apple Store. It is a phone. It is a manufactured good, that contains no special power or provide anyone with any type of status upgrade in life. Thankfully we live in America, and everyone has a right to be able to purchase this phone if they can afford it within their means. They are not dropping the price, but if they did - all the better. If the manufacturer wants to expand its consumer base, than great! Buying something for personal status to impress others is ridiculous, IMO. That is NOT what the iPhone is about. Never was. Never will be. Go get your iPhone platted in gold if you feel that you need to have something for status' sake.

Carry on. I am guessing since this is your 2nd time leaving, you'll most likely come back one day. Hope you get your emotions in order, and can come to the table to discuss more logical and sensical topics on this message board.

Wow. I feel like I just got a lecture from my high school principal. As much as I agree with your post (every last word, by the way), I don't think it's possible to get your point across to him. I've been down this road with Iphonian/Swagger before but the difference between you and I is that I throw fuel into the fire on purpose. To piss off such a bragging left wing radical lunatic is such a slap in his face that it makes me so happy I could just pee in my pants. I don't mean to make light of your (obviously) well thought out post but I don't see the point. That Hollywood fag (no offense to the gays) deserves every bit of antagonizing that he gets. If you ever read his views and political beliefs like I have, then you wouldn't care less, either. He must be from Mars or raised by wolves, one. I, for one, say, good riddance. To harbor a grudge for two or three days on an online forum is completely insane. I love "getting pissy" on these forums but if I say something questionable to you on one thread, you'll never see me (or anyone else around here) following from thread to thread with such sappy *****-like teary eyed blabbering horse ****. It's contained within that thread and forgotten on the next thread. And certainly by the next day, for crying out loud.

Being the Reigning King of Confrontation around here, I'm in no way upset about this. Mark is a grown adult. I offer no apologies. If he was 15 and I started some crap I'd feel bad and apologize. Which I have on a number of occasions. I have this site's administration on my side and can't help but think that Chris is secretly laughing.....:2cool:

[psylichon]

can't help but think that Chris is secretly laughing.....:2cool:

I doubt Chris likes his forum ganging up on one member.

Let's move on, innit? I think Mark gets the point. Tex said it best, I think. Golden rule stuff. Come on.

[mrarmbar22]

I work in the industry too. That doesn't mean I know what's going on with Wal Mart. What piece of "inside" information do you have that suggests such a thing? I think you're wrong.

First, this thread has turned crazy and I will try to get back on topic. With that said, I must say that I am accepting of all points of view and I believe most of you would appreciate that. I am in the sales side of the industry and from that view point I would say that it's all about the presentation. What I mean by that is you (swagger) present yourself in a negative way. . I may or may not be wealthy but I feel that it is no one's business to know either way. I just don't feel like it is important to include it in my posts. I prefer to focus on the iPhone itself. In my opinion it would be benifical to everyone if Wal-Mart picked it up. This would increase the market and would give users a larger leverage on the features they want added. It's all about the end users voice.

I realize that I don't post very often, but have been a member for a long time. Thank you to everyone for all the knowledge I have learned from this forum.

With that said, regarding your questions impaler, unfortunately I can't mention how I know due to numerous NDA's. I will say though that since I am in sales I am in often contact with buyers. I know that you might not believe me but I promise to respond to your thread once again on the 15th of November when the rumor proves false.

Oh and Swagger, please understand that I was not ripping on you. Congrats on your success.

[OJsakila]

I doubt Chris likes his forum ganging up on one member.

Let's move on, innit? I think Mark gets the point. Tex said it best, I think. Golden rule stuff. Come on.

you love that fence, don't you? LOL. Ok.

[Hondamaker]

OJ, you still crack me the f*** up!

p.s. turn your spell check on.

[acosmichippo]

I personally commend the mods for not locking this thread. This isn't kindergarden. If you don't like the discussion, move on. If you don't like what someone says, say so. What's wrong with that?

But OJ... I don't understand how you can call swagger left-winged. His views are anything but.

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

I thought this thread would fizzle out like a bad fart (quoting Sam Kinison)--but here we are.

There's no such thing as a bad fart -- if it belongs to you.

[Swagger]

To "All" Contributors to This Thread:
I sat back yesterday and watched silently as I was lambaste time after time. I do not get angry about any of this. I look for the good that lies within "Any" situation. A lot of you that have so harshly criticized me might just need to look within.

A person who rarely posts yet comes out of the dark to write a page long diatribe disparaging my views. I ask you what type of person is this??? While all of you lauded this poster for his comments. Did anyone stop to think what type of person rears their ugly head only in confusion??? I say that is a person who instead of giving advice should go within and fix ones self. I also thank him for thinking my posts were important enough for him to come out of "retirement". His advice to me is not needed as he showed his own personal deficiencies.

Not to linger as if bashing an individual and move on. All that thought you were "bringing Mark down" with your comments. The opposite is true in my mind. You have elevated me by allowing me to manipulate as well as inspire feelings buried deep inside each of you. A multi millionaire (as in darn near if not a billionaire) that I know that has inspired me most of my adult life taught me a great lesson. Captivate the crowd and you own the crowd.

To keep this iPhone related I will refer to Steve Jobs. When Steve Jobs walks on stage. The whole world listens. What is driving Steve Jobs/Apple's huge success is not necessarily his business skills. Steve Jobs has captivated the crowd and currently owns the crowd. Steve created not just a brilliant product, but a following. This whole post has been a testimonial to what my friend taught me. As you see even though I was not present in the discussion yesterday. The debate raged on with many quoting and responding to my posts.

My mentor and friend (mentioned above) and I had a conversation yesterday about this forum while having lunch. He first of all asked me why I even waste my time (yes he is what all of you accuse me of being) arrogant, condescending and not having much use for ones not his equal. He was born into riches. I was not so our views differ.

The one thing that I never said in this post which I will say now is this. All of you have gone on and on with your hatred of the wealthy. Would you feel the same if you were wealthy??? I think a lot of the hatred stems from a feeling that you have no chance at being wealthy. So instead of exploring ways to become wealthy. You take the easy way out and just become angry and envious of the wealthy. My friend at lunch also asked me this question. Do you think people of like means would have disparaged you in such a way because of your views??? Sadly my answer was no.

I have a unique question for all to ponder. Aren't all of you doing what you accuse me of??? I have the views I have being where I am in life. Aren't all of you expressing views based on where you are in life. A lot of your views are. How dare the the wealthy think they exclusively should only own certain items. My thinking is how dare people of less means think I should lower my standards to accommodate them. As we see from this post both views are unpopular with the opposite of ones self.

All of you can call me whatever you choose to it is humorous to me. You have to agree with me on one thing. I have captivated you and I own you. I have had control of your feelings, emotions and writings for the past week. All of you that love me so may want to read the writing I'm working on for the "Off Topic" thread. It will be titled Mark, The Boy, The Man, The Legend (A Me Decade Manifesto). Life is Great, Mark:laugh2:

[impaler]

To "All" Contributors to This Thread:
I sat back yesterday and watched silently as I was lambaste time after time. I do not get angry about any of this. I look for the good that lies within "Any" situation. A lot of you that have so harshly criticized me might just need to look within.

A person who rarely posts yet comes out of the dark to write a page long diatribe disparaging my views. I ask you what type of person is this??? While all of you lauded this poster for his comments. Did anyone stop to think what type of person rears their ugly head only in confusion??? I say that is a person who instead of giving advice should go within and fix ones self. I also thank him for thinking my posts were important enough for him to come out of "retirement". His advice to me is not needed as he showed his own personal deficiencies.

Not to linger as if bashing an individual and move on. All that thought you were "bringing Mark down" with your comments. The opposite is true in my mind. You have elevated me by allowing me to manipulate as well as inspire feelings buried deep inside each of you. A multi millionaire (as in darn near if not a billionaire) that I know that has inspired me most of my adult life taught me a great lesson. Captivate the crowd and you own the crowd.

To keep this iPhone related I will refer to Steve Jobs. When Steve Jobs walks on stage. The whole world listens. What is driving Steve Jobs/Apple's huge success is not necessarily his business skills. Steve Jobs has captivated the crowd and currently owns the crowd. Steve created not just a brilliant product, but a following. This whole post has been a testimonial to what my friend taught me. As you see even though I was not present in the discussion yesterday. The debate raged on with many quoting and responding to my posts.

My mentor and friend (mentioned above) and I had a conversation yesterday about this forum while having lunch. He first of all asked me why I even waste my time (yes he is what all of you accuse me of being) arrogant, condescending and not having much use for ones not his equal. He was born into riches. I was not so our views differ. The one thing that I never said in this post which I will say now is this. All of you have gone on and on with your hatred of the wealthy. Would you feel the same if you were wealthy??? I think a lot of the hatred stems from a feeling that you have no chance at being wealthy. So instead of exploring ways to become wealthy. You take the easy way out and just become angry and envious of the wealthy. My friend at lunch also asked me this question. Do you think people of like means would have disparaged you in such a way because of your views??? Sadly my answer was no.

I have a unique question for all to ponder. Aren't all of you doing what you accuse me of??? I have the views I have being where I am in life. Aren't all of you expressing views based on where you are in life. A lot of your views are. How dare the the wealthy think they exclusively should only own certain items. My thinking is how dare people of less means think I should lower my standards to accommodate them. As we see from this post both views are unpopular with the opposite of ones self.

All of you can call me whatever you choose to it is humorous to me. You have to agree with me on one thing. I have captivated you and I own you. I have had control of your feelings, emotions and writings for the past week. All of you that love me so may want to read the writing I'm working on for the "Off Topic" thread. It will be titled Mark, The Boy, The Man, The Legend (A Me Decade Manifesto). Life is Great, Mark:laugh2:

zzz............

[OJsakila]

o my god I am so tired of his babbling baby retoric. What a goddamn blowhard this toolbox is

[impaler]

There's no such thing as a bad fart -- if it belongs to you.

True enough! Everyone likes their own brand, eh? :laugh2:

[impaler]

regarding your questions impaler, unfortunately I can't mention how I know due to numerous NDA's. I will say though that since I am in sales I am in often contact with buyers. I know that you might not believe me but I promise to respond to your thread once again on the 15th of November when the rumor proves false.

Fair enough! And I'd be very interested to know what the final verdict is on this.

[Swagger]

I personally commend the mods for not locking this thread. This isn't kindergarden. If you don't like the discussion, move on. If you don't like what someone says, say so. What's wrong with that?

But OJ... I don't understand how you can call swagger left-winged. His views are anything but.

I'm not left or right or in the middle. I have never accepted the only choices available to me. I have created my own. Some call that being a lunatic. Others call it being a great thinker. Mark

[OJsakila]

here we go again............................................. ...........................

[acosmichippo]

A person who rarely posts yet comes out of the dark to write a page long diatribe disparaging my views. I ask you what type of person is this??? While all of you lauded this poster for his comments. Did anyone stop to think what type of person rears their ugly head only in confusion??? I say that is a person who instead of giving advice should go within and fix ones self. I also thank him for thinking my posts were important enough for him to come out of "retirement". His advice to me is not needed as he showed his own personal deficiencies.

Firstly, i have no idea who you're talking about, but it doesn't matter. How is expressing one's opinion considered a deficiency (especially if it is regarding a topic on which another poster has made offensive comments)?

Not to linger as if bashing an individual and move on. All that thought you were "bringing Mark down" with your comments. The opposite is true in my mind. You have elevated me by allowing me to manipulate as well as inspire feelings buried deep inside each of you. A multi millionaire (as in darn near if not a billionaire) that I know that has inspired me most of my adult life taught me a great lesson. Captivate the crowd and you own the crowd.

now THAT is what people don't like about you. Pure, unchecked narcissism and delusions of grandeur. You offend a great many people here, who choose to respond accordingly, and you have the balls to think you are manipulating our feelings?

To keep this iPhone related I will refer to Steve Jobs. When Steve Jobs walks on stage. The whole world listens. What is driving Steve Jobs/Apple's huge success is not necessarily his business skills. Steve Jobs has captivated the crowd and currently owns the crowd. Steve created not just a brilliant product, but a following. This whole post has been a testimonial to what my friend taught me. As you see even though I was not present in the discussion yesterday. The debate raged on with many quoting and responding to my posts.

My mentor and friend (mentioned above) and I had a conversation yesterday about this forum while having lunch. He first of all asked me why I even waste my time (yes he is what all of you accuse me of being) arrogant, condescending and not having much use for ones not his equal. He was born into riches. I was not so our views differ.

Namedropping will get you nowhere. Even attempting to equate this thread with apple's business strategy is absolutely ridiculous.

The one thing that I never said in this post which I will say now is this. All of you have gone on and on with your hatred of the wealthy. Would you feel the same if you were wealthy??? I think a lot of the hatred stems from a feeling that you have no chance at being wealthy. So instead of exploring ways to become wealthy. You take the easy way out and just become angry and envious of the wealthy. My friend at lunch also asked me this question. Do you think people of like means would have disparaged you in such a way because of your views??? Sadly my answer was no.

This discussion is NOT about the "wealthy". It's about you being a jackass. I challenge you to find a post where someone says "i hate wealthy people". That has not been uttered by ANYONE in this discussion.

I have a unique question for all to ponder. Aren't all of you doing what you accuse me of??? I have the views I have being where I am in life. Aren't all of you expressing views based on where you are in life. A lot of your views are. How dare the the wealthy think they exclusively should only own certain items. My thinking is how dare people of less means think I should lower my standards to accommodate them. As we see from this post both views are unpopular with the opposite of ones self.

All of you can call me whatever you choose to it is humorous to me. You have to agree with me on one thing. I have captivated you and I own you. I have had control of your feelings, emotions and writings for the past week. All of you that love me so may want to read the writing I'm working on for the "Off Topic" thread. It will be titled Mark, The Boy, The Man, The Legend (A Me Decade Manifesto). Life is Great, Mark:laugh2:

As i have stated before, the issue is not your opinion, but how you choose to express it. I say this because a few people actually SHARE your opinion regarding iphone exclusivity. So i will again pose the question i asked earlier; do you see anyone trying to "bring down" any of those individuals?

and for anyone else getting frustrated with me for dragging this topic on, don't bother. Don't read the tread if you don't want to.

[Swagger]

Firstly, i have no idea who you're talking about, but it doesn't matter. How is expressing one's opinion considered a deficiency (especially if it is regarding a topic on which another poster has made offensive comments)?



now THAT is what people don't like about you. Pure, unchecked narcissism and delusions of grandeur. You offend a great many people here, who choose to respond accordingly, and you have the balls to think you are manipulating our feelings?



Namedropping will get you nowhere. Even attempting to equate this thread with apple's business strategy is absolutely ridiculous.



This discussion is NOT about the "wealthy". It's about you being a jackass. I challenge you to find a post where someone says "i hate wealthy people". That has not been uttered by ANYONE in this discussion.



As i have stated before, the issue is not your opinion, but how you choose to express it. I say this because, a few people actually SHARE your opinion
regarding iphone exclusivity. So i will again pose the question i asked earlier; do you see anyonetrying to "bring down" any of those individuals?

To answer your question. I will once again quote my favorite saying. "I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not". Mark

BTW: I agree with you on the admin not locking the thread. Healthy discussion spawns thought...M

[OJsakila]

you are a baby. go away for good and stop threatening to

[Swagger]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg144/OJsakila/retard.jpg

OJ,
Posting your self portraits will not help your cause...Mark:laugh2:

[Swagger]

Originally Posted by OJsakila http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/everythingiphone/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-3g/omg-apple-38036-16.html#post361781)
As recall, this is the second time you "left." Calm down mix a cosmolpalotin or an appletini or whatever and come back for a better day.

Originally Posted by OJsakila
I, for one, say, good riddance.

This forum members is the text of a very confused hmmm, man..Mark

[OJsakila]

OJ,
Posting your self portraits will not help your cause...Mark:laugh2:

lol. I just removed it.

[Swagger]

lol. I just removed it.

Yes OJ but I have captured it in my quote of you. It will now live forever!!! LoL...:gasp: Mark

[coasts]

You own us? You don't own the crowd any more than you own the car in your avatar...

Mark, I've seen your work. Photographing your sister in her Hooters uniform is hardly prize winning photography. Get lost...you're a jokester.

[OJsakila]

You own us? You don't own the crowd any more than you own the car in your avatar...

Mark, I've seen your work. Photographing your sister in her Hooters uniform is hardly prize winning photography. Get lost...you're a jokester.


:2cool::2cool::2cool::2cool::2cool:I'm outta thnx so this is what you get!:laugh2:

[Swagger]

You own us? You don't own the crowd any more than you own the car in your avatar...

Mark, I've seen your work. Photographing your sister in her Hooters uniform is hardly prize winning photography. Get lost...you're a jokester.

Since you are still replying. I still own you, think about it. Bashing of ones master is a common trait. M

I really respected you up until this point. I do commercial photography. I do that for money. I love photography not just for money but also as an art. Do you think everytime I take a capture it is for money??? Don't bring my family into this. We maky joke but do not bring my family into this. That was not my sister jerkoff. Do you think I am stupid enough to post photographs that my clients have purchased on my "Private" site??? You are the one that is a jokester. I will be in Brazil next week doing a shoot. Do you want to carry my equipment around so you can come back and report to everyone what I do??? Mark

P.S. You are right that is not my vehicle in my avatar. Mine is black...Mark

[FlwrPwer]

I was going to keep out of this again after you ignorantly posted that you never said I attacked you right after you posted how you were surprised an educator would "attack" you.

But anyway, it would seem that all these people that keep you responding, own you as well.

[OJsakila]

I was going to keep out of this again after you ignorantly posted that you never said I attacked you right after you posted how you were surprised an educator would "attack" you.

But anyway, it would seem that all these people that keep you responding, own you as well.


Yes, Mam He knows that. He's just trying to justify why everyone disagrees with him. Like the Hollywood idiots, Swagger just doesn't have the ability within him to see how pathetic his blubbering cackling hen blabber-mouthing reflects on him. It takes this guy an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes!
I've been working this tool for over a year now.

[FlwrPwer]

It takes this guy an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes!


This made me giggle :smile:

[Saverino]

:2cool::2cool::2cool::2cool::2cool:I'm outta thnx so this is what you get!:laugh2:

I thanked coasts for you since I think he deserves one for that post anyways.

[OJsakila]

I thanked coasts for you since I think he deserves one for that post anyways.


HEY! Thanks and now I.O.U. a thanks.... wait 45 mins....

Thanks again!

[Saverino]

HEY! Thanks and now I.O.U. a thanks.... wait 45 mins....

Thanks again!

Anytime :)

[coasts]

I really respected you up until this point.

losing the respect of my peers was a calculated risk i took when making my previous post. it was a bit out of character for me. until this thread, i had some respect for you, as well. i guess we both lost as much as we gained. so it goes. in any case, it's unfortunate that we all have such ugly sides to ourselves.

[BigCiX]

Rodney King once said, "can we all just get along".

[Hondamaker]

Rodney King once said, "can we all just get along".
You gonna listen to that POS?

[dragonmxle]

Ma'am,
I never said you did. To end all of this, this will be my last post in this forum. I will let all the new people have fun. I was suppose to be relaxing for the week and got pulled (no put myself) into this two day long discussion. I like to write when I'm not shooting and I really used to enjoy coming here. I see why so many old timers have left. I think it is sad when people can't agree to disagree. There isn't much more to be said about the iPhone anyway. Farewell All, Mark

Wow.. This was said only a couples of days ago and now you are back. Do you know what "last post" means? Don't make promise that you can not keep. Or this is the way how you get "rich".

Now tell me, who owns who?

I don't hate you because you are "rich", I hate you because you are so pretty. :tounge:

[impaler]

Rodney King once said, "can we all just get along".

And the nightsticks said "NO".

[Swagger]

Wow.. This was said only a couples of days ago and now you are back. Do you know what "last post" means? Don't make promise that you can not keep. Or this is the way how you get "rich".

Now tell me, who owns who?

I don't hate you because you are "rich", I hate you because you are so pretty. :tounge:

You have 13 posts. All of which were basically posted in this thread. I ask what type of person are you??? You enter the thread to antagonize but nothing else. I challenge you to look at yourself instead of me. What is your fascination with commenting on me??? You show up in no other thread but one ganging up on one member. Life has showed that most people that join "fights in progress" are cowards. You are a follower just as Impaler is. You both say you hate my thinking but continue to post. You are sad individuals caught up in your own low self worth. Work that out first then your views might change.

My motto is step up because I'm not stepping down. I see both of you have a problem accomplishing that so you bash me. Step up you cowards!!! Mark

[FlwrPwer]

You have 13 posts. All of which were basically posted in this thread. I ask what type of person are you??? You enter the thread to antagonize but nothing else. I challenge you to look at yourself instead of me. What is your fascination with commenting on me??? You show up in no other thread but one ganging up on one member. Life has showed that most people that join "fights in progress" are cowards. You are a follower just as Impaler is. You both say you hate my thinking but continue to post. You are sad individuals caught up in your own low self worth. Work that out first then your views might change.

My motto is step up because I'm not stepping down. I see both of you have a problem accomplishing that so you bash me. Step up you cowards!!! Mark

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Saverino]

You have 13 posts. All of which were basically posted in this thread. I ask what type of person are you??? You enter the thread to antagonize but nothing else. I challenge you to look at yourself instead of me. What is your fascination with commenting on me??? You show up in no other thread but one ganging up on one member. Life has showed that most people that join "fights in progress" are cowards. You are a follower just as Impaler is. You both say you hate my thinking but continue to post. You are sad individuals caught up in your own low self worth. Work that out first then your views might change.

My motto is step up because I'm not stepping down. I see both of you have a problem accomplishing that so you bash me. Step up you cowards!!! Mark

What does post count have to do with it?
Dragonmxle is still right...

[impaler]

You both say you hate my thinking but continue to post. You are sad individuals caught up in your own low self worth. Work that out first then your views might change.

My motto is step up because I'm not stepping down. I see both of you have a problem accomplishing that so you bash me. Step up you cowards!!! Mark

You know nothing about me, sir. So you are foolish to challenge a man's character like that without reason or knowing someone. That really makes you a despicable person. I thought you were done with this thread. You can't seem to help yourself, though, because you are so self-absorbed.

Anyway, I don't hate your thinking, I just call you out because I disagree. I don't think the way you do, nor do many others. You're a big man to talk a lot on a thread about stuff such as calling grown men cowards--gimmie a break.

I'm going to throw out my theory about you and then unlike you, I'm keeping my word...this is my last post to this ridiculous thread. I'm killing my subscription to this thread because I have better things to do with my day--and you're only worth this last bit of attention from me.

I think you are talking so much, you're addicted to being the center of attention, and think you're really teaching others a "lesson" because you're overcompensating for some other big gap in your life you're unwilling to admit. I don't know--maybe you weren't breast fed as a child. Maybe your daddy wasn't there for you. Maybe you surround yourself with things/objects because you're so unhappy in your life that you feel the need to do so to feel good about SOMETHING. So perhaps it drives you crazy that you see others enjoying the object that you seem to think you have exclusive access to, and the fact that this object is going to perhaps be made available to millions others who shop at the largest retailer in the world means you can't be part of your self-inscribed club. Most people who think money/things are that important that they are real status symbols are generally miserable and empty inside. And your need to fight the world tends to lend itself to this case.

Whatever your real deal is (which I know it's something sad...you'll just never admit to it or are not aware of it), I feel genuinely sorry for you. You will approach the end of your life and have little to show for it. At least not anything that really matters. I truly hope that doesn't happen to you.

[in2tech]

I work in this industry and I promise you that it will not be sold at Wal-Mart.

Ohh, it (or some version) will be sold at Walmart at some point, and Target, and Cicuit City, and...just like the Ipods are sold there :) It's just when will it happen.

[Swagger]

You know nothing about me, sir. So you are foolish to challenge a man's character like that without reason or knowing someone. That really makes you a despicable person. I thought you were done with this thread. You can't seem to help yourself, though, because you are so self-absorbed.

Anyway, I don't hate your thinking, I just call you out because I disagree. I don't think the way you do, nor do many others. You're a big man to talk a lot on a thread about stuff such as calling grown men cowards--gimmie a break.

I'm going to throw out my theory about you and then unlike you, I'm keeping my word...this is my last post to this ridiculous thread. I'm killing my subscription to this thread because I have better things to do with my day--and you're only worth this last bit of attention from me.

I think you are talking so much, you're addicted to being the center of attention, and think you're really teaching others a "lesson" because you're overcompensating for some other big gap in your life you're unwilling to admit. I don't know--maybe you weren't breast fed as a child. Maybe your daddy wasn't there for you. Maybe you surround yourself with things/objects because you're so unhappy in your life that you feel the need to do so to feel good about SOMETHING. So perhaps it drives you crazy that you see others enjoying the object that you seem to think you have exclusive access to, and the fact that this object is going to perhaps be made available to millions others who shop at the largest retailer in the world means you can't be part of your self-inscribed club. Most people who think money/things are that important that they are real status symbols are generally miserable and empty inside. And your need to fight the world tends to lend itself to this case.

Whatever your real deal is (which I know it's something sad...you'll just never admit to it or are not aware of it), I feel genuinely sorry for you. You will approach the end of your life and have little to show for it. At least not anything that really matters. I truly hope that doesn't happen to you.

Ok so that is your version of stepping up. Well it will never get you anywhere but keep trying. FlwrPwr instead of bashing me learn reading comprehension it may keep students from failing in your class. You are to incompetent to understand what they have written. Teachers like you hate "pay for performance". You know you would be broke and out of a job...Mark

P.S. I am so glad that I can afford private education for my child. I would hate to think that she was learning the values of teachers like FlwrPwr.

[Ramesh]

I'll "contribute" this:

Long posts (lots of words) do not equal wisdom nor intelligence.

[aggieman]

To "All" Contributors to This Thread:
I sat back yesterday and watched silently as I was lambaste time after time. I do not get angry about any of this. I look for the good that lies within "Any" situation. A lot of you that have so harshly criticized me might just need to look within.

A person who rarely posts yet comes out of the dark to write a page long diatribe disparaging my views. I ask you what type of person is this??? While all of you lauded this poster for his comments. Did anyone stop to think what type of person rears their ugly head only in confusion??? I say that is a person who instead of giving advice should go within and fix ones self. I also thank him for thinking my posts were important enough for him to come out of "retirement". His advice to me is not needed as he showed his own personal deficiencies.

Not to linger as if bashing an individual and move on. All that thought you were "bringing Mark down" with your comments. The opposite is true in my mind. You have elevated me by allowing me to manipulate as well as inspire feelings buried deep inside each of you. A multi millionaire (as in darn near if not a billionaire) that I know that has inspired me most of my adult life taught me a great lesson. Captivate the crowd and you own the crowd.

To keep this iPhone related I will refer to Steve Jobs. When Steve Jobs walks on stage. The whole world listens. What is driving Steve Jobs/Apple's huge success is not necessarily his business skills. Steve Jobs has captivated the crowd and currently owns the crowd. Steve created not just a brilliant product, but a following. This whole post has been a testimonial to what my friend taught me. As you see even though I was not present in the discussion yesterday. The debate raged on with many quoting and responding to my posts.

My mentor and friend (mentioned above) and I had a conversation yesterday about this forum while having lunch. He first of all asked me why I even waste my time (yes he is what all of you accuse me of being) arrogant, condescending and not having much use for ones not his equal. He was born into riches. I was not so our views differ.

The one thing that I never said in this post which I will say now is this. All of you have gone on and on with your hatred of the wealthy. Would you feel the same if you were wealthy??? I think a lot of the hatred stems from a feeling that you have no chance at being wealthy. So instead of exploring ways to become wealthy. You take the easy way out and just become angry and envious of the wealthy. My friend at lunch also asked me this question. Do you think people of like means would have disparaged you in such a way because of your views??? Sadly my answer was no.

I have a unique question for all to ponder. Aren't all of you doing what you accuse me of??? I have the views I have being where I am in life. Aren't all of you expressing views based on where you are in life. A lot of your views are. How dare the the wealthy think they exclusively should only own certain items. My thinking is how dare people of less means think I should lower my standards to accommodate them. As we see from this post both views are unpopular with the opposite of ones self.

All of you can call me whatever you choose to it is humorous to me. You have to agree with me on one thing. I have captivated you and I own you. I have had control of your feelings, emotions and writings for the past week. All of you that love me so may want to read the writing I'm working on for the "Off Topic" thread. It will be titled Mark, The Boy, The Man, The Legend (A Me Decade Manifesto). Life is Great, Mark:laugh2:

wow Mark, I used to respect you but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. I'll tell you a little bit about why people don't like you and it has nothing to do with you being wealthy. You see, wealth is a privilige indeed, one that is either inherited or earned through blood, sweat and tears. However, does that make me any better than the laborer in the field working to make my company what it is? Hell no. Does God view me as any more deserving of life as that guy making $10 an hour?

Your views are very jaded and not only are you a fool but a pompous ass. See Mark, I am wealthy. I come from a very wealthy family, I work my ass off for my family business and we are one of the larger specialty construction companies in the US (name and specific trade withheld to keep some anonymity). But Mark, most people here wouldn't even know what I do, how much I make, or anything about that because I talk to people like I am one of them. My possessions do not make me better than anyone and I can be friends with anyone whether they have one dollar to their name or one billion. I can guarantee you there aren't many people here that dislike me. There may be a few. But I can assure you that you don't have many friends here and you probably don't in real life.

When it comes down to it wealth is not just about money and possessions. I'd much rather be broke and poor but have the respect of my peers than to be alone and sitting around counting my money. Luckily I think its more important to be respected for who I am and not for what I have and will never have to worry about living a sad, lonely life like yourself.

You really should grow the hell up and get over yourself and stop talking down to people like you are superior to them. Good day and shut the hell up.

[aggieman]

Ok so that is your version of stepping up. Well it will never get you anywhere but keep trying. FlwrPwr instead of bashing me learn reading comprehension it may keep students from failing in your class. You are to incompetent to understand what they have written. Teachers like you hate "pay for performance". You know you would be broke and out of a job...Mark

P.S. I am so glad that I can afford private education for my child. I would hate to think that she was learning the values of teachers like FlwrPwr.

just another post to demonstrate your stupidity. you do not know this person or their performance at work. Who are you to judge them? Quit digging Mark.

[psylichon]

Mark, you are losing my respect rapidly with every post to this awful, awful thread. I like to think we have a mutual respect and understanding for each other, but I really feel that mutuality is being compromised here.

If you disrespect FlwrPwr by bringing her teaching abilities into question one more time (childish and completely unrelated), I can say with certainty the friendly arguments we have will cease to be. She is not having trouble "comprehending" you so cut it out with the stupid retorts.

Just let this thread die a nice, peaceful death, PLEASE, .... EVERYone...

[Swagger]

wow Mark, I used to respect you but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. I'll tell you a little bit about why people don't like you and it has nothing to do with you being wealthy. You see, wealth is a privilige indeed, one that is either inherited or earned through blood, sweat and tears. However, does that make me any better than the laborer in the field working to make my company what it is? Hell no. Does God view me as any more deserving of life as that guy making $10 an hour?

Your views are very jaded and not only are you a fool but a pompous ass. See Mark, I am wealthy. I come from a very wealthy family, I work my ass off for my family business and we are one of the larger specialty construction companies in the US (name and specific trade withheld to keep some anonymity). But Mark, most people here wouldn't even know what I do, how much I make, or anything about that because I talk to people like I am one of them. My possessions do not make me better than anyone and I can be friends with anyone whether they have one dollar to their name or one billion. I can guarantee you there aren't many people here that dislike me. There may be a few. But I can assure you that you don't have many friends here and you probably don't in real life.

When it comes down to it wealth is not just about money and possessions. I'd much rather be broke and poor but have the respect of my peers than to be alone and sitting around counting my money. Luckily I think its more important to be respected for who I am and not for what I have and will never have to worry about living a sad, lonely life like yourself.

You really should grow the hell up and get over yourself and stop talking down to people like you are superior to them. Good day and shut the hell up.

I will not attack you as you have me. We have agreed with each other all this year. All the posts bashing me brought out this side of me. You say you are wealthy through "Family Wealth" if true then I know you understand "explaining your wealth". You as most here have turned your back on me. I can deal with that. Aggie what these people are saying is they can't understand there is a separation of the classes in this country. I did not create that. I am just living it. You are a real let down to me. I doubt you even read the whole post but posted against me. Why do you keep buying technology if you go along with what this thread says. Buy a flip phone and keep it for five years and be happy. I have never disparaged you when you mention all your latest Tech purchases. Yet I see you have bowed to popular pressure so I no longer have respect for you either. Take your "Bold" that no one else has (your own words) and check your reality!!! Mark

[Swagger]

Mark, you are losing my respect rapidly with every post to this awful, awful thread. I like to think we have a mutual respect and understanding for each other, but I really feel that mutuality is being compromised here.

If you disrespect FlwrPwr by bringing her teaching abilities into question one more time (childish and completely unrelated), I can say with certainty the friendly arguments we have will cease to be. She is not having trouble "comprehending" you so cut it out with the stupid retorts.

Just let this thread die a nice, peaceful death, PLEASE, .... EVERYone...

Just for you since I hold such high regard for you. I promise I will not post again in this thread. Friendship to me means more than proving a point...Mark

P.S. I say this because you have always been known as the "Calm Rational Person" in this forum..I salute you ...M

[aggieman]

I will not attack you as you have me. We have agreed with each other all this year. All the posts bashing me brought out this side of me. You say you are wealthy through "Family Wealth" if true then I know you understand "explaining your wealth". You as most here have turned your back on me. I can deal with that. Aggie what these people are saying is they can't understand there is a separation of the classes in this country. I did not create that. I am just living it. You are a real let down to me. I doubt you even read the whole post but posted against me. Why do you keep buying technology if you go along with what this thread says. Buy a flip phone and keep it for five years and be happy. I have never disparaged you when you mention all your latest Tech purchases. Yet I see you have bowed to popular pressure so I no longer have respect for you either. Take your "Bold" that no one else has (your own words) and check your reality!!! Mark

actually, I did read the whole post. And I never said anything about you or anyone else talking about their tech possessions. Sure, if I see something that I want, I gotta have it. I play with it, I talk about it, I review it and inform people of the pluses and minuses of it and compare it to the iPhone. But I do not in any way "gloat" or throw things in other peoples' faces or talk down to them like I am above them. I change phones every month almost. If I am able to do that and want to then that's my prerogative. Some people spend their money on season tickets to sporting events, cars, etc. I'm kinda a geek so tech is my hobby. But talking about toys I buy, which usually comes up in conversation about limitations of the iPhone has nothing to do with me trying to brag about wealth. I could be dirt poor for all anyone knows. Your problem is Mark, you talk down to people. I do think that you have value to contribute to this forum (and by value I'm not speaking of wealth) and I wish you would reverse course from this transformation you have taken. You used to not be like this, but I have seen this in a few threads of late.

[FlwrPwer]

Ok so that is your version of stepping up. Well it will never get you anywhere but keep trying. FlwrPwr instead of bashing me learn reading comprehension it may keep students from failing in your class. You are to incompetent to understand what they have written. Teachers like you hate "pay for performance". You know you would be broke and out of a job...Mark

P.S. I am so glad that I can afford private education for my child. I would hate to think that she was learning the values of teachers like FlwrPwr.

Excuse you, but you OWE ME A HUGE APOLOGY. I'm sorry, but you don't know me and I have had no trouble comprehending you whatsoever. I'm not even sure what I did as I have hardly contributed to this thread in the past few days.

Consider this post reported.

[Kabeyun]

Wow. Thread run course. Original topic off radar. Useless mayhem. Shutdown long overdue. Moving on...

-K

[chris]

FlwrPwr instead of bashing me learn reading comprehension it may keep students from failing in your class. You are to incompetent to understand what they have written. Teachers like you hate "pay for performance". You know you would be broke and out of a job.

Mark- This is not acceptable. Please refrain from personal attacks.

Thank you for your understanding. Note: If this thread gets reported again, it will be closed and those in violation of forum policy could face a temporary suspension of privileges.

-Chris