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Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:01 PM
I went to the Apple Store today to buy a new case and I had a Genius show me how to pull out the SIM, and when he did it says 3G on the Apple only SIM card!!!!! I mentioned this to the Genius (A 10 year veteran of Apple btw) and he smirked and stated yeah I can't really discuss that right now. I believe we have not seen the last of the 1st gen. iPhone on 3G. :2cool::2cool::2cool:
DigitalEndorphins
06-30-2007, 08:03 PM
Interesting...
Since you now know how to open up the sim slot, how about a nice picture of that sim card showing that 3g logo? :2cool:
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:06 PM
Interesting...
Since you now know how to open up the sim slot, how about a nice picture of that sim card showing that 3g logo? :2cool:
I would but I do not trust myself that is why I had the genius do it. I am sure there is someone on here braver than me that is willing to do it though. Post the pic here if you can...
just so i understand you correctly, u said u took out your sims card and it said 3G on it?
Bhay99
06-30-2007, 08:10 PM
there is a picture tutorial on how to pull out the SIM card on apple.com.
All you need is a paperclip
there is a picture tutorial on how to pull out the SIM card on apple.com.
All you need is a paperclip
well DO IT! and take a pic we wanna c :wink:
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:11 PM
just so i understand you correctly, u said u took out your sims card and it said 3G on it?
The genius at the apple store took it out and it said 3G on it. Trust me I have over 300 posts and love my time on this community, I would not make this up!
Diviant
06-30-2007, 08:12 PM
I just took mine out, and it does indeed say 3g on the card.
Yes, when you take out the sim card, it indeed says "3G" on both sides.
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:13 PM
I just took mine out, and it does indeed say 3g on the card.
Picture????
I told you I wasn't lying.
Yes, when you take out the sim card, it indeed says "3G" on both sides.
wtf, ok so why no pics i mean let us c
Diviant
06-30-2007, 08:18 PM
If you have an iPhone, just take it out yourself. I tried to take a picture with my iPhone but you couldn't read the 3G writing because it's small.
hum can u dirct me to the pic that show how to taker it out and i will?
Bhay99
06-30-2007, 08:21 PM
i think all at&t phones have the 3G logo on it, to signify that they are capable of running 3G and have phones that do run 3G...hope i'm wrong though
thispleasesme
06-30-2007, 08:22 PM
As exciting as 3G would be, and the sim card thing is exciting, it would contradict what Jobs said about 3g components killing the battery life and making the phone too bulky.
Let's just hope he was just trying to throw us off.
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:22 PM
hum can u dirct me to the pic that show how to taker it out and i will?
You just use a paperclip and stick it in the hole on top of the phone. Then it slides out in a little tray and you will see the orange 3G logo on both sides.
I know for a fact that when I bought my BlackJack (which was my first 3G phone) i had to get a new SIM card that said 3G or it wouldn't work. So this leads me to believe that an update could be forthcoming.
ColsTiger
06-30-2007, 08:23 PM
I would but I do not trust myself that is why I had the genius do it. I am sure there is someone on here braver than me that is willing to do it though. Post the pic here if you can...
If anyone does try to remove their SIM make sure it's docked first. It won't release until you have it mounted in the dock. I found this out this morning when we replaced the pre-installed SIM with a brand new one a the at&t store. It's definitely a 3G sim. We discussed it right there in the store too. I thought it would be 128Kb though and it's just 64Kb.
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:24 PM
i think all at&t phones have the 3G logo on it, to signify that they are capable of running 3G and have phones that do run 3G...hope i'm wrong though
Wrong. I have 3 SIM cards including the one from my iPhone and only the upgraded one for my BlackJack and now this one from the iPhone say 3G on it.
Ranged30
06-30-2007, 08:25 PM
If anyone does try to remove their SIM make sure it's docked first. It won't release until you have it mounted in the dock. I found this out this morning when we replaced the pre-installed SIM with a brand new one a the at&t store. It's definitely a 3G sim. We discussed it right there in the store too. I thought it would be 128Kb though and it's just 64Kb.
The Mac Genius pulled it out without it being docked.
You just use a paperclip and stick it in the hole on top of the phone. Then it slides out in a little tray and you will see the orange 3G logo on both sides.
I know for a fact that when I bought my BlackJack (which was my first 3G phone) i had to get a new SIM card that said 3G or it wouldn't work. So this leads me to believe that an update could be forthcoming.
thank u sir:2cool:
Bschucher
06-30-2007, 08:28 PM
And what ultimately could this mean?
ok i did it and ya your right, its a blue card with a little 3G icon thats it, but does this me we might get 3G now?
The Dark Knight
06-30-2007, 08:32 PM
stupied question.......whats 3G?
skyman
06-30-2007, 08:53 PM
A sim card is a sim card and has nothing to do with the network (EDGE or 3G). Just like an EDGE sim will work in a 3G phone. It is just a label and nothing more.
The sim card has NOTHING to do with the network you are on.
skyman
06-30-2007, 08:54 PM
stupied question.......whats 3G?
3rd Generation...
Alexander
06-30-2007, 08:54 PM
My phone before this one was an 8125 (not a 3G phone) however when I removed my old sim card after getting the iPhone it said 3G on it anyway. Don't know if this means anything but thought I'd throw it out there. I hope you're right!
skyman
06-30-2007, 08:55 PM
And what ultimately could this mean?
It means nothing nothing.
rima333
06-30-2007, 08:57 PM
but i have a two year old sony phone from cingular and the sim card also says 3G. And I can assure you that this thing is not 3G. Not to mention that I believe there is a lot more to making a phone 3G capable than just the sim card. i was excited though. that would've been a nice surprise.
wjp09
06-30-2007, 08:58 PM
I heard they were just using the same card prints. I know it may soundctazy but I'm actually happy with the current speed 3g would be a greatadd on
mike3141
06-30-2007, 09:01 PM
All current AT&T SIMs have the 3G logo. It shows that the SIM can be used in a 3G phone. It can also be used on any GSM phone such as the iPhone.
thedwp
06-30-2007, 09:05 PM
The genius at the apple store took it out and it said 3G on it. Trust me I have over 300 posts and love my time on this community, I would not make this up!
I totally believe you. I think we'll see a lot of cool improvements very soon. I mean come on...look what these guys have done to the industry in ONE DAY! They had to start some where and they set the mark high!
I seriously doubt it means anything. As for the mac genius, he wouldn't know anything about their plans. It would be awesome, but its not gonna happen.
fletch33
06-30-2007, 09:14 PM
I wish more than anyone that this phone was 3g especially since I'm use to verizon speeds but I think it is clear that it does not have the chipset for it so we will have to wait for the next edition. Man I hope its not like ipods And I have to buy a new one every six months to stay up to date ;)
Sirch128
06-30-2007, 09:22 PM
Here we can see clearly the 3g logo
meyer1son
06-30-2007, 09:50 PM
Well my son lost his phone and got my Razor. So while I was waiting in line for my iPhone I got a new sim card for him, And sure enough the new sim card for him the 3 G flame on it also. Go to ANY at&t and ask them to se the newest sim cars they have. They will have the larger 3G flame emblem on the card part and also the sim card . 3G MUST BE ON THE WAY!!!!!
meyer1son
06-30-2007, 09:52 PM
UPDATE I just called 611 taled to a rep, and asked why this was ont the new sim card. And she said cuz it will be coming verysoon. But didnt know when exactly. IT"S ON THE WAY BABY!!! Call 611 and ask.I am sure they will tell everybody the same thing :tounge:
SuperDodge
06-30-2007, 10:23 PM
UPDATE I just called 611 taled to a rep, and asked why this was ont the new sim card. And she said cuz it will be coming verysoon. But didnt know when exactly. IT"S ON THE WAY BABY!!! Call 611 and ask.I am sure they will tell everybody the same thing :tounge:
The phone does not have the hardware for 3G. ALL OF THE SIM CARDS SAY 3G FOR AT&T.
Man, Steve Jobs probably snuck magic 3G capability into ALL of the AT&T phones. Even the other ones without 3G antennas.
Pork Rind
06-30-2007, 11:01 PM
The phone does not have the hardware for 3G.
Exactly. If you don't believe it, you just need to go to one of the sites that has already disassembled an iPhone and posted photos. It absolutely does not have a 3G radio chipset in it.
All Cingular/AT&T SIMs after a certain point say 3G because they bumped the SIMs to 64k and added some software to deal with the AT&T and Cingular tower integration at the same time as the 3G rollout. It means nothing other than branding.
For example, I have a BlackJack, a 3G phone. The SIM says 3G. If I put in an older SIM from another line I have that doesn't say 3G, the phone doesn't notice. It still uses the HSPDA/UMTS fast data. The phone doesn't care what's silk-screened on the SIM, it does whatever it's internal hardware is capable of.
If the phone was 3g capable or could be upgraded through software they wouldn't keep it quiet. It would drive sales and that time has passed. They are quiet, but they aren't idiots.
WolfmanXII
06-30-2007, 11:17 PM
what case did u get. just curious cuz i need to get one too.
Pulse
06-30-2007, 11:21 PM
Actually, there is a 3G chipset in the iPhone... it just isn't activated.
internetstarter
06-30-2007, 11:23 PM
What does a 3G radio chipset look like I'm checking out those sites that took an iPhone apart
Pulse
06-30-2007, 11:25 PM
I don't know...
A few hints at this... alot of the FCC documents are still confidential.
They only have to release what bands they are using... which means the phone might have a 3G chip, but if they aren't going to use those frequencies they don't need to include it in the FCC docs.
SuperDodge
06-30-2007, 11:40 PM
Actually, there is a 3G chipset in the iPhone... it just isn't activated.
That's interesting because I don't see it in the iPhones folks have taken apart. Is Apple planning to magically beam them inside the existing phones at a later date?
lucky8926
07-01-2007, 12:49 AM
I know for a fact that when I bought my BlackJack (which was my first 3G phone) i had to get a new SIM card that said 3G or it wouldn't work. So this leads me to believe that an update could be forthcoming.
I had to get a new sim when I upgraded to my blackjack from a razr and I had to get a new sim card too. When I got mine I was told the need for the new sim was because it was a "smart phone" and 3G wasn't mentioned. I just checked mine out (I still have my blackjack, haven't got an iphone yet) and it doesn't say 3G on it. It does however say "64k smartchip"
They only have to release what bands they are using... which means the phone might have a 3G chip, but if they aren't going to use those frequencies they don't need to include it in the FCC docs.
Cingular/AT&T's 3G frequencies overlay their GSM bands. They use 850 and 1900 MHz for 3G, one for uplink, the other for downlink.
Dusty
07-01-2007, 02:10 AM
I can almost guarantee that our 1st Gen iPhones will NOT EVER be able to connect to a 3G network. Here is the reason: Steve Jobs never lies. (at least not to the press)
Usually Steve will just keep his mouth shut or give some type of work-around answer when he is trying to hide some cool news. This was not the case when he was asked why he chose not to use 3G.
As far as I know, I have never seen or heard Steve Jobs directly lie to the press about a product.
UnseenLlama
07-01-2007, 07:31 AM
All, the 3G SIM cards you are seeing are standard AT&T SIM cards given to ALL new phones. The SIM card will not magically allow your device to have higher data speeds. The hardware has to have a built in 3G radio to be able to access those higher speeds. If the phone does not support AT&T's 3G frequency (850/1900), then there is no way to get those higher speeds. I've used AT&T's 3G SIM cards in plenty of unlocked phones that don't support 3G.
Future iPhones may support 3G, but the current one never will.
Fat Man
07-01-2007, 07:36 AM
Yeah, the American version doesnt have a 3G chipset in it. The 3G on the card just means the card is 3G enabled/ capable of operating with 3G. Rumor has it Europe will get a 3G version though.:smile:
thedwp
07-01-2007, 11:03 AM
All, the 3G SIM cards you are seeing are standard AT&T SIM cards given to ALL new phones. The SIM card will not magically allow your device to have higher data speeds. The hardware has to have a built in 3G radio to be able to access those higher speeds. If the phone does not support AT&T's 3G frequency (850/1900), then there is no way to get those higher speeds. I've used AT&T's 3G SIM cards in plenty of unlocked phones that don't support 3G.
Future iPhones may support 3G, but the current one never will.
Apple has a history of staggering releases vs. hardware. Remember when they released the macbook pros...BEFORE they announced/released the new Airport Extreme Base Stations....Turns out they had built the macbook pros with the new extreme capabilities but it just wasn't activated. Once they released the new base stations, I just did a software update and bam! Suddenly I had MORE SPEED!
Maybe thats whats happening here???
no1Joeno1
07-01-2007, 11:09 AM
Yeah, the American version doesnt have a 3G chipset in it. The 3G on the card just means the card is 3G enabled/ capable of operating with 3G. Rumor has it Europe will get a 3G version though.:smile:
We will find out the truth tomorrow.
I hope I can get it for a reasonable price, not on contract.
UnseenLlama
07-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Apple has a history of staggering releases vs. hardware. Remember when they released the macbook pros...BEFORE they announced/released the new Airport Extreme Base Stations....Turns out they had built the macbook pros with the new extreme capabilities but it just wasn't activated. Once they released the new base stations, I just did a software update and bam! Suddenly I had MORE SPEED!
Maybe thats whats happening here???
Apple would get in a lot of trouble with the FCC if they released a product and didn't disclose all the features.
RchGrav
07-01-2007, 11:57 AM
All current AT&T SIMs have the 3G logo. It shows that the SIM can be used in a 3G phone. It can also be used on any GSM phone such as the iPhone.
Yes, this is the truth. It is juat a STANDARD AT&T SIM, it matches the sim in my other phone EXACTLY.
Will you guys stop talking about this already. Apple would not say this wasn't included if it was, it's very simple. 3g capability is HUGE and isn't something they would hide or just include for 'free'. It would change the entire scope of the phone.
kneshoba
07-01-2007, 01:16 PM
This phone has a five year lock with ATT, and to keep cost down and performance up apple choose no to go with the 2100Mhz antenna for 3g but I have posted earlier and put links up for ATT is building a 3g network using the 850 and 1900Mhz bands which is installed on the phone (i think somebody else has mentioned something like this also) I will find my post and link it. So lets chill form the 3g and concentrate on making this phone the best thing that the cell phone industry has seen. Also i do not see apple releasing a 3g version to the rest of the world and not taking care of the home team first, even though the rest of the gsm capable countries are far ahead of us. I will scour the the forum to find my original 3g post please take the time to read and follow the links and check the map coverage it will show att in Dallas with 850/1900mhz 3g network. Thanks for your time also I'M LUV'N MY iPHONE.
kneshoba
07-01-2007, 01:24 PM
Ok found it .....http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/3g-on-1st-gen-iphone-2065.html
my original post about 3g on iphone Overall what I'm trying to get to everyone iphone will not go to 3g but 3g will come to the iphone.
Apple would get in a lot of trouble with the FCC if they released a product and didn't disclose all the features.
No they wouldn't. The phone was tested in the manner in which it will currently operate. That is all that is required to test for interference.
A good portion of the FCC tests that were performed are still confidential.
If 3G happens to be in the chipset and Apple/AT&T wishes to turn it on, they simply have to have the FCC test/approve the phone in that fashion if they haven't done so already.
Pulse
07-01-2007, 03:00 PM
No they wouldn't. The phone was tested in the manner in which it will currently operate. That is all that is required to test for interference.
A good portion of the FCC tests that were performed are still confidential.
If 3G happens to be in the chipset and Apple/AT&T wishes to turn it on, they simply have to have the FCC test/approve the phone in that fashion if they haven't done so already.
Correct.
For those who those who say otherwise... remember 802.11n?
For the guy who asked why they haven't seen it on the phones they've opened up... the components don't have labels on them. It was only found out today what processor the iphone is running, and that is because someone took apart the firmware and found it. The iPhone DOES have a 3G chipset in it. Apple can activate it.
Does it make any sense that they would make a new iphone with new chipset just for europe? They won't, they will just activate the 3G chip.
justahsquirrel
07-01-2007, 03:17 PM
If the phone was 3g capable or could be upgraded through software they wouldn't keep it quiet. It would drive sales and that time has passed. They are quiet, but they aren't idiots.
the razr from att has a 3g sim and a 3g logo on the display when its working. just cause the iphone uses a 3g sim does not mean there willl be a 3g chip in the iphone that we have. all it mean u have the latest sim card. probably when the next iphone comes out it will be for taking the sim out from the iphone you have now and placing it in the new 3g capable iphone.
I just want aim and some more software and im happy. I dont really use the edge network too much. i tried it out....but most places i've gone too have wifi....but that just my own opinion.
fletch33
07-01-2007, 03:18 PM
This phone has a five year lock with ATT, and to keep cost down and performance up
well thank god they didnt make this thing expensive. cant imagine what they would want for it if they hadnt kept the cost down :D
The iPhone DOES have a 3G chipset in it. Apple can activate it.
And if that is the case, it may very well be that the iPhone uses a Qualcomm chipset (i've seen articles going either way on this). Qualcomm is under a patent related embargo from bringing in new 3G chips. Since only the 3G stuff runs afoul of the court order, turning off the offending bit would still allow Apple to import the phones to the US.
If that is the case and I'll admit I'm speculating, they will not be able to activate 3G from a Qualcomm chip until the Qualcomm/Broadcom spat is resolved.
the razr from att has a 3g sim and a 3g logo on the display when its working. just cause the iphone uses a 3g sim does not mean there willl be a 3g chip in the iphone that we have. all it mean u have the latest sim card. probably when the next iphone comes out it will be for taking the sim out from the iphone you have now and placing it in the new 3g capable iphone.
I just want aim and some more software and im happy. I dont really use the edge network too much. i tried it out....but most places i've gone too have wifi....but that just my own opinion.
Thanks for repeating what I was saying.
elbodude
07-01-2007, 03:48 PM
Yes, this is the truth. It is juat a STANDARD AT&T SIM, it matches the sim in my other phone EXACTLY.
That being said. I should be able to take the SIM out of my current ATT phone and pop it in the iphone and have voice service. I can just add the data plan to my current plan or just use wi-fi and not re-up for two more years with ATT? I bought my current phone off Ebay and just stuck my SIM card in, no new ATT contract. They still think I am using and old GSM phone from 4 years ago.
-elbo
That being said. I should be able to take the SIM out of my current ATT phone and pop it in the iphone and have voice service. I can just add the data plan to my current plan or just use wi-fi and not re-up for two more years with ATT? I bought my current phone off Ebay and just stuck my SIM card in, no new ATT contract. They still think I am using and old GSM phone from 4 years ago.
IF Apple/AT&T can enable 3G on the current iPhone. And IF your existing SIM is not 3G, you may not be able to take advantage of it. Lotsa IF's...
tadrewcook
07-01-2007, 05:09 PM
Well....3G is cool and all, but...we don't even have 3G down here in Hawaii. At least not yet.
rishidhar
07-01-2007, 05:31 PM
3G is written on every Cingular Sim card! its nothing new, my old sim also had 3G written onit
FlyersPhanatic9
07-01-2007, 06:07 PM
yea, i dont know what all the hype is about, a week before the iphone release my phone stopped working and it just so happened i needed a new sim card
and mine too said ATT 3G on it
jacjac2
07-01-2007, 06:12 PM
I do believe we have not seen the full power yet and I do believe these things are set up for future adjustments, we just are not aware of it, but we are not, such as the G3. I just want mine, I ordered it from online.
Where in the online store can you get info on taking it out.
Jackie
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