Push Email Question

[bacon_and_rice]

I remember getting the iPhone v1, as it stated it offered push email. I tend to do a LOT of emails on my blackberry device, however when i went over to the iPhone, i was disappointed that my push email wasn't true real time push email. The fact that the phone would only cycle any 10 or 15 minutes or so to check emails was an issue as some items were in need of immediate response.
i ended up going back to the blackberry, as when i received a message in my gmail account, it would show up seconds later. with the new iphone, will it be immediate push, or will we have to sit and wait for the next cycle/manually cycle to search for any new mail?

[Iphonehead]

if you pay for mobileme, I think its immediate....but mobile me is 100 a year.

[patrickj]

Both MobileMe and Exchange will offer true push on the iPhone 2.0 software.

[bacon_and_rice]

wow, so my gmail will need to be done the old v1 way? oh man....wow, i'd hate to have to pay $100 just for mobile me...errr i don't see why all emails just can't be pushed like my blackberry. maybe i'll need to create another email account elsewhere, it's just a hassle since all my online banking/credit cards/forum info, etc are all connected to gmail which then have to be rerouted all to a new email. thanks for the input everyone :(

[patrickj]

wow, so my gmail will need to be done the old v1 way? oh man....wow, i'd hate to have to pay $100 just for mobile me...errr i don't see why all emails just can't be pushed like my blackberry. maybe i'll need to create another email account elsewhere, it's just a hassle since all my online banking/credit cards/forum info, etc are all connected to gmail which then have to be rerouted all to a new email. thanks for the input everyone :(

Gmail's lack of push is down to Google Gmail itself - not the iPhone. Gmail is not push-capable on any device or platform. IMAP is the closest you get with Gmail.

[bacon_and_rice]

on my curve, i know that when i send myself an email on gmail, it shows up on my blackberry instantly. i just wish they had a "free" way to link them together. i run pc at work, and mac at home. i'm not sure if i should spend 100 on mobile me to sync up when i want my work info synced as well on my outlook account.

[bacon_and_rice]

here's a question, what if i were to go into my gmail settings and have my gmail messages pushed through my outlook email account, would that create an instant push to the iphone 3G since it passes to outlook?

[patrickj]

here's a question, what if i were to go into my gmail settings and have my gmail messages pushed through my outlook email account, would that create an instant push to the iphone 3G since it passes to outlook?

If you had Gmail forwarding to an Exchange account and the Exchange account is setup for push, that should work ...

[bacon_and_rice]

interesting, i'll give that a shot come friday. thank you for all your help!

[eye-Fone]

I've been using Microsoft Exchange push email for some time now (couple of years) and I normally get an email on my Windows Mobile smartphone before it even gets to my Microsoft Outlook. I'll get the notice that I have new email on my device and about 30 seconds later, it appears in Outlook.

So, yes, it will be almost instant.

[psylichon]

If you had Gmail forwarding to an Exchange account and the Exchange account is setup for push, that should work ...

This is what I did with my old phone and it worked. The only thing back then was I never actually used the mail client on the phone, I would just hear the ding and then check mobile gmail on the web browser.

I actually like the email client on the iPhone and want to use it to send to gmail, so I'm thinking up plans to have one account just for receiving pushed email that is forwarded from gmail, and then another to actually send out on Gmail. It's a bit messy in my head right now. Hopefully the 2.0 mail client is robust enough to allow for such a setup.

Patrick?

by the way, awesome screenname, bacon!

[bacon_and_rice]

Yes, i want to just keep one email in line so i get all of my online accounts synced with this one email. i'm a smartphone freak, i've jumped from all sorts of Treos, to iphone, and blackberrys up the yin yang. and it always seems like when theres a switch of a smartphone, one smartphone can't handle push email like another can. so i always have to go through every online account i have and update it with a new email.

i really want to stay away from pushing my gmail to my work outlook so that i dont get swamped with both. i dont want my work email going to my phone anyhow, its just my contacts and calendar are synched with my blackberry at the moment, and my email is synced with my gmail.

i didn't mind my iphone v1 cycling for new email every 5 minutes as that was suitable for the types of emails that require quick replies, however it killed my iphones battery every day. i'm trying to think of another way just to keep EVERYTHING updated, calendar, email, everything. and it seems like mobileme is the way to go for on the go updates on my macbook -- iphone.

so if i were to shell out $100 for mobileme (which i hate just thinking about doing), does mobileme set me up with a new email account, such as _______ @mobileme.com?

[bacon_and_rice]

@psylichon

thanks, i love me some bacon and rice....or just bacon. gods greatest creation

[patrickj]

so if i were to shell out $100 for mobileme (which i hate just thinking about doing), does mobileme set me up with a new email account, such as _______ @mobileme.com?

Yes, though the domain syntax is me.com not mobileme.com.

[patrickj]

I actually like the email client on the iPhone and want to use it to send to gmail, so I'm thinking up plans to have one account just for receiving pushed email that is forwarded from gmail, and then another to actually send out on Gmail. It's a bit messy in my head right now. Hopefully the 2.0 mail client is robust enough to allow for such a setup.

Patrick?


In theory I guess that works, if you setup two separate Exchange level accounts with Mail2web or someone similar. I don't think the email client is going to be too clever at receiving in one, but replying to that from another - not sure, maybe when MobileMe is live - it can do this on the desktop client no worries ...

[bacon_and_rice]

man, it seems like the simple way to go, but if i bail out from the iphone in the future, i wont really have a need for mobileme. and its $100 one time thing or $100 every year? either way that seems quite steep when outlook does the same thing but free

[patrickj]

man, it seems like the simple way to go, but if i bail out from the iphone in the future, i wont really have a need for mobileme. and its $100 one time thing or $100 every year? either way that seems quite steep when outlook does the same thing but free

It's 99 per year. You could also look at Hosted Exchange (i.e. plans for individuals / small biz) and see if you find better prices - companies like 4smartphone, Mail2web, others offer this ...

[desibhar]

Ouch, $99/yr for mobile me or an extra $15/mo for enterprise support? Cycling it is!

[bacon_and_rice]

haha desibar! my thoughts exactly. i'll wait the 10 minute cycle time i guess

[flabyboy]

wow, so my gmail will need to be done the old v1 way? oh man....wow, i'd hate to have to pay $100 just for mobile me...errr i don't see why all emails just can't be pushed like my blackberry. maybe i'll need to create another email account elsewhere, it's just a hassle since all my online banking/credit cards/forum info, etc are all connected to gmail which then have to be rerouted all to a new email. thanks for the input everyone :(

you can use a 3rd party exchange server like mobipush to have your gmail pushed. it uses activesync to push it to your phone. i haven't tried it yet, but I think it will work

[eye-Fone]

man, it seems like the simple way to go, but if i bail out from the iphone in the future, i wont really have a need for mobileme. and its $100 one time thing or $100 every year? either way that seems quite steep when outlook does the same thing but free
Microsoft Outlook doesn't do push email. Outlook is just a client. It's Microsoft Exchange that pushes email to both Outlook and mobile devices. If your company doesn't have Exchange, then you would want to consider MobileMe or other third-party solutions.

Which leads me to this question...why would people want to save potentially sensitive/confidential information to the "cloud", in the hands of third-parties?

[mac29]

I heard that if you are running exchange on your iphone, then you wont be able to have your own personal contacts and calendar on the phone. It will have to be your businesses contacts and calendar. I guess if you mix the two then it would work.

[eye-Fone]

I heard that if you are running exchange on your iphone, then you wont be able to have your own personal contacts and calendar on the phone. It will have to be your businesses contacts and calendar. I guess if you mix the two then it would work.
True. Any personal contacts and calendar appointments will be merged with your business information.

By the way, Microsoft Exchange doesn't physically run on your iPhone. It interacts with it through the network.

[psylichon]

So here's my current plan: Two accounts in the iPhone, one a dummy "alert" account that will be my free exchange server. The other one is my real Gmail IMAP account. I will set the Gmail account to only check for mail manually, as it will be forwarded to the exchange account and pushed to me. When I get the alert of a new email, I'll just go into the Gmail account to read and reply.

All I will have to do is go into the exchange account and delete messages every so often. Mass delete should help there. I can deal with that annoyance.

I wish you could make a frankenstein account with different outgoing and incoming. You probably could on the iPhone using POP3 accounts, but I doubt with IMAP, and even moreso doubt it with Exchange.

Any thoughts?

[bacon_and_rice]

wow, so mobileme is sounding like a better solution, but the whole annual membership is definitely kick in the butt for me. maybe i'll have to stick with cycling.

a member noted on the end of page two that clients like mobipush push emails to your iphone via activesync. im not familiar with activesync, is that something that allows real time push to the iphone? i still get my gmail emails to the iphone its just i'm trying to avoid the whole "wait till the cycle is complete" to receive any new emails

[psylichon]

a member noted on the end of page two that clients like mobipush push emails to your iphone via activesync. im not familiar with activesync, is that something that allows real time push to the iphone? i still get my gmail emails to the iphone its just i'm trying to avoid the whole "wait till the cycle is complete" to receive any new emails

Read my plan again. The whole point of going through all of that is to get pushed Gmail. And it works (at least it did on my old activesync-compatible phone). The exchange server I use (for free) gets the forwarded email from Gmail, then pushes it to my phone via Activesync.

So yeah, Activesync and Exchange are pretty much synonymous as far as the iPhone is concerned.

[bacon_and_rice]

sorry, i failed to read it. yea that definitely sounds like a solution to at least alert us that new mail is inbound. i'll be sure to give that a shot, thank GOD for the new multiple delete feature :)

[kevlar08]

I remember getting the iPhone v1, as it stated it offered push email. I tend to do a LOT of emails on my blackberry device, however when i went over to the iPhone, i was disappointed that my push email wasn't true real time push email. The fact that the phone would only cycle any 10 or 15 minutes or so to check emails was an issue as some items were in need of immediate response.
i ended up going back to the blackberry, as when i received a message in my gmail account, it would show up seconds later. with the new iphone, will it be immediate push, or will we have to sit and wait for the next cycle/manually cycle to search for any new mail?
its real push email through yahoo i know that