iPhone for Tilt trade

[mrgrumble]

Someone came into my AT&T location and was looking to get an iphone because he was having doubts about his Tilt. I for one know the tilt is probably going to suit me better but I want to hear everyone elses input on it. 8GB iPhone or AT&T Tilt? I'm leaning towards trading my iPhone tonight. A few things i'm looking foward to on the Tilt and bigest reason for me questioning this would have to be that my apartment is right in the middle of a 3G area here in Raleigh, so 3G def. blows my EDGE phone away. The full keyboard that I miss so much of on my Blackberry, and the MMS which I know can be fixed with the release of the SDK, and the terrible call quality (my face always hits the mute portion of the screen and i'm constantly losing people because of it) which is real annoying. The things i'll miss on my iPhone is the simple syncing of music and using it as my mp3 player and thats about it. But being that they might come out with a 3G version of the iPhone this summer it might not be a bad idea for me to trade it off now and if I want buy the 3G version if I miss it enough. Anyone else have input on this ??? Let me hear it.

[Eragon]

Making a choice between two very different devices is not easy. You are already attacking the problem by weighing the pros and cons. In the end, you will have to decide whether your intended usage fits the particular phone you have: e.g., you live in a 3g area. If you truly need or rely on 3g and can't tolerate EDGE, the iPhone may not be for you. If you text a lot, and can't seem to get the feel for the iPhone's onscreen keyboard, the iPhone may not be for you.

I've heard this recommendation several times from different cell phone podcasts. Try the iPhone out. You will have about 14 days for a trial. If at the end you find that the iPhone is not for you, turn it back in. You will end up paying a restocking fee, but at least you will have the peace of mind in knowing that you made an informed decision.

[mrgrumble]

Well i've had the iPhone since October and these pros and cons stem from me using it for the past 6 months. So they are pretty solid tested reasons in my eyes.

[Indy]

Go with the tilt, you'll be back in June anyways....hehehe:tounge:

[Hayesimus]

how are you muting people or whatever? the screen goes dark! or are you refering to the tilt? lol

[Indy]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/apple-kitteh-saiz-u-wayt-4-iphone-update.jpg

[Hayesimus]

oh my operator had a tilt. HAD until he dropped it the other morning. Broke the screen and all he could do was answer a call. I was like dang. That's lucky. If we dropped ours and cracked the screen, all we'd be able to do is silence the call. lol

[ColsTiger]

Well i've had the iPhone since October and these pros and cons stem from me using it for the past 6 months. So they are pretty solid tested reasons in my eyes.

I can certainly understand you wanting a 3G device. I'm not sure about the surfing experience on the tilt though. Either way, with the network in your area, you'll want a 3G iphone this summer anyway.

[Rockky]

Despite the 3G..you'll not have near the Internet surfing experience you'd have in the iPhone in general, and the tilt speeds in Internet surfing are negligably faster than the iPhone.

[kdarling]

So many myths out there. Here's a real world test using a 3G Tilt and the Opera browser (instead of Pocket IE) versus an iPhone. The Tilt is up to four times faster:

http://www.pocketables.net/2007/12/mobile-web-spee.html

And that's using Opera 8.65. When 9.5 hits, it'll be even faster. And should work with FlashLite 3.

Or use some of the other browsers, like Skyfire, and use many Flash sites now.

[Rockky]

the IE vs Safari Edge results is exactly what I've found (had tytn and tilt)...but really since you dont have to scroll on the iPhone, getting to anywhere on the pages is way faster, so the surfing experience is significantly faster with the iPhone..vs tilt with 3G.
I've used Opera quite a bit although its been a while... Didn't like the page rendering at all vs the iPhone....loading pages was fast on opera no doubt, but the subsequent scrolling required, vs iphone, again wouldn't have me choose tilt opera with 3G vs edge iPhone either.
Tell you what..3G on the iPhone will be sometime else!

[kdarling]

Tell you what..3G on the iPhone will be sometime else!

Yes, it will be nice.

What's ironic, is that a lot of people have (mis)spent a whole year trying to come up with apologetic and bogus reasons why EDGE is as good as 3G... all because it didn't come with it at first.

So now what? Has Apple screwed themselves in sales a bit by letting people convince themselves that buying 3G isn't worth it?

[scandalex]

Yes, it will be nice.

What's ironic, is that a lot of people have (mis)spent a whole year trying to come up with apologetic and bogus reasons why EDGE is as good as 3G... all because it didn't come with it at first.

So now what? Has Apple screwed themselves in sales a bit by letting people convince themselves that buying 3G isn't worth it?

The only real world comparison I have had was EDGE (ATT) vs EVDO (Sprint) and in the long run, I couldn't get with the slowness of EDGE. While many act like the ONLY phone that can meet needs is the iPhone- I have to say, it didn't for me.

Even though the iPhone displays webpages in all its glory, I need everything to work and work well. My phone usage isnt primarily internet.

Mail that cant be downloaded from server is one pain I also couldn't tolerate. When I am at work, I need all my mail, not just what the iPhone thinks I should be able to read. Funny I never encountered that issue on any phone but the iPhone.

[gotpancakes]

you shouldnt be muting.. The touch goes off when its on a call

[overbo0st2k4]

I have the same muting problem every now and then.

I think its because I use the DLO action jacket, which mine was actually designed for the iTouch, since I couldn't find the iPhone version sold in any store near me, but it blocks the proximity and brightness sensors.

So occasionally, the mute goes on by the slightest touch of my cheek.

Not a big deal, but I understand what he's saying.

[themanofthedark]

I have the same muting problem every now and then.

I think its because I use the DLO action jacket, which mine was actually designed for the iTouch, since I couldn't find the iPhone version sold in any store near me, but it blocks the proximity and brightness sensors.

So occasionally, the mute goes on by the slightest touch of my cheek.

Not a big deal, but I understand what he's saying.
that is senseless. you use an iPhone with an iPod accessory and complain it doesnt work well?

go to the nearest apple store, and get an invisible shield.

Apple wants you to.

and it is beautiful.

[i robot]

Is wifi an option in your appartment/work. I find I spend most my time using wifi and speed is not an issue then????

[overbo0st2k4]

that is senseless. you use an iPhone with an iPod accessory and complain it doesnt work well?

go to the nearest apple store, and get an invisible shield.

Apple wants you to.

and it is beautiful.

ACTUALLY, I was not the one complaining about the problem. I know exactly what product I bought, and what problems may arise from not using it with the specific product it was made for.

The OP had made the complaint:
....and the terrible call quality (my face always hits the mute portion of the screen and i'm constantly losing people because of it) which is real annoying....

And then there were two other incidents where other posters replied trying to figure out why the OP was having this issue:
how are you muting people or whatever? the screen goes dark! or are you refering to the tilt? lol
and:
you shouldnt be muting.. The touch goes off when its on a call

SO, since the OP had not come back to reply to those questions, I decided to go ahead and explain to them the issue with the calls muting.

HENCE why I said:
I have the same muting problem every now and then.

I think its because I use the DLO action jacket, which mine was actually designed for the iTouch, since I couldn't find the iPhone version sold in any store near me, but it blocks the proximity and brightness sensors.

So occasionally, the mute goes on by the slightest touch of my cheek.

Not a big deal, but I understand what he's saying.

To describe to the posters asking the question about muting, what may have occurred.

In no way was I actually complianing about the DLO Action Jacket for iTouch that I have, I was MERELY elaborating so they could understand.

So no, that actually was not a senseless comment, and I was not complaining that it did not work well, because in fact, I actually love the case I have for it and it fits my needs perfectly.

GG, and better luck next time :2cool:

[themanofthedark]

ACTUALLY, I was not the one complaining about the problem. I know exactly what product I bought, and what problems may arise from not using it with the specific product it was made for.

The OP had made the complaint:


And then there were two other incidents where other posters replied trying to figure out why the OP was having this issue:

and:


SO, since the OP had not come back to reply to those questions, I decided to go ahead and explain to them the issue with the calls muting.

HENCE why I said:


To describe to the posters asking the question about muting, what may have occurred.

In no way was I actually complianing about the DLO Action Jacket for iTouch that I have, I was MERELY elaborating so they could understand.

So no, that actually was not a senseless comment, and I was not complaining that it did not work well, because in fact, I actually love the case I have for it and it fits my needs perfectly.

GG, and better luck next time :2cool:
ok, ok, Jesus, no need to force it..

[Indy]

ok, ok, Jesus, no need to force it..

http://www.nouvelordremondial.cc/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/stfu-noob.jpg
:tounge:j:tounge:k:tounge:

[Hayesimus]

haha. noob. with almost 2000 posts. lol

[Indy]

What's ironic, is that a lot of people have (mis)spent a whole year trying to come up with apologetic and bogus reasons why EDGE is as good as 3G... all because it didn't come with it at first.

So now what? Has Apple screwed themselves in sales a bit by letting people convince themselves that buying 3G isn't worth it?

I agree, I find it laughable when people try and say they don't want 3g, oh c'mon now, if they were able to input 3g with the exact same battery life as the current phone or maybe even squeeze a bit more out due to new chips, screens or whatever, you're gonna hear alot of *****ing and moaning from these folks or they will be trading their current phone in for an upgrade.

The 3G coverage argument is another one that drives me nuts. If you don't have 3g coverage in your area yet, that doesn't mean there will ONLY be 3g in the phone it will obviously have to fall back on edge when not available. So you will have a iphone with 3g capabilities that you can use when in 3g coverage area and you havn't lost anything if you don't LIVE in that area you'll just be on your local edge network most of the time.

And no I don't think that apple has screwed themselves, they've screwed everyone else into believing they don't need 3g and when they finally do release the newer version it will be so much more remarkably fast that people will be switching as if it's the second coming! Even More money for apple! Evil bastards!:tounge:

[Indy]

haha. noob. with almost 2000 posts. lol

I know, I hate a damn noob! LoL

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/noob.jpg

[themanofthedark]

now that, is going to give me nightmares.

[Hayesimus]

Me too! ew!

[Indy]

now that, is going to give me nightmares.

That's the price you pay for being such a noob, lol







I keed, I keed:tounge:

[themanofthedark]

That's the price you pay for being such a noob, lol







I keed, I keed:tounge:
alright cause i was about to say...

[xcissexc]

oh my operator had a tilt. HAD until he dropped it the other morning. Broke the screen and all he could do was answer a call. I was like dang. That's lucky. If we dropped ours and cracked the screen, all we'd be able to do is silence the call. lol
iv actually seen someone else with a cracked screen and their iphone still worked perfectly fine. i think the only way a crack would stop touch sensitivity would b if you had two cracks, and then the area between the two cracks wouldn't be touch sensitive.

[themanofthedark]

iv actually seen someone else with a cracked screen and their iphone still worked perfectly fine. i think the only way a crack would stop touch sensitivity would b if you had two cracks, and then the area between the two cracks wouldn't be touch sensitive.
No.

that's not quite true.

the glass itself doesn't matter.

the LCD and the proximity thing are the real thing that determine if it should be touched or not.

that's why sometimes if you type really fast, you mat feel that your fingers someone don't actually touch the actually button at all - welcome to proximity sensor.

[kdarling]

iv actually seen someone else with a cracked screen and their iphone still worked perfectly fine.

The crack is usually in the covering piece of glass, not the underlying touchscreen or deeper LCD.

That's why people can remove the cracked glass and replace it with a piece of plastic.

If the touchscreen was cracked, it wouldn't work everywhere.

[xcissexc]

No.

that's not quite true.

the glass itself doesn't matter.

the LCD and the proximity thing are the real thing that determine if it should be touched or not.

that's why sometimes if you type really fast, you mat feel that your fingers someone don't actually touch the actually button at all - welcome to proximity sensor.
the ipnone doesnt use a proximity sensor for the touch screen. there is an electric grid under the screen and when that grid is interupted the phone knows where it is interupted. i am wrong about what i said with the two cracks though, didnt think that one all the way through.

[themanofthedark]

the ipnone doesnt use a proximity sensor for the touch screen. there is an electric grid under the screen and when that grid is interupted the phone knows where it is interupted. i am wrong about what i said with the two cracks though, didnt think that one all the way through.
really?

hm. i think i just got pwned.

pun intended.


but i thought it actually did use a prox sensor, because sometimes, i would swear on my life that i didnt touch the screen, but a button pressed...

[psylichon]

but i thought it actually did use a prox sensor, because sometimes, i would swear on my life that i didnt touch the screen, but a button pressed...

"Proximity detector" in regards to iPhone refers only to the sensor that turns off the screen when you put the phone to your ear during a call. It detects the proximity of your head, so to speak.

I think it appears as though you can "air type" on the iPhone's screen just because of the remarkable accuracy of the screen. The fact that it uses an electrical circuit that you complete with your finger allows it to sense down to the pixel level. So you can baaaaaarely touch the thing with just a few skin cells and it can register. In fact, I find its accuracy is higher with a lighter touch (less surface contact... smaller pixel area), so I intentionally go for that "air typing" vibe :laugh2:

[kdarling]

The iPhone uses a capacitive touch screen. There are no circuits to complete.

It uses the same basic principle as a touch lamp... your body draws off a charge from an electric field and that change is measured (and located in the case of a screen).

So if you want to say it's a proximity sensor, in a way it is. The field exists a very tiny bit above the screen.

[xcissexc]

i definatly have to touch the screen for the phone to take my input. i can very very lightly touch the screen and nothing will happen then i push the slightest bit harder and then the button get pushed

[kdarling]

Calluses, lotion, or various other things can act as insulator and make it harder to detect you. Thus some people need a slight "push" which brings their blood vessels closer to the field.

It is the mass of blood vessels (water) near the surface of your skin that makes you into a giant capacitor, capable of drawing off enough charge to be detected.

I worked with capacitive screens on monitors fifteen years ago. A very large one, as in a kiosk, might even be unusable by a child (not enough body capacitance) unless an adult touches the child.

[xcissexc]

wow i did not know that. for a screen that size would you have to touch and hold rather than just tap to give the body time to build up that capacitance?

[kdarling]

Good question.

I don't think holding would help. Either you have enough capacitance or you don't ...

Another tidbit for your amusement: for capacitance calculations, the adult human body is the equivalent of a five or six foot diameter ball full of water.

:smile:

[xcissexc]

do you think the phone only picks reacts to capacitance around what humans are or also higher capacitance like something around 1 farad