hooray for me!

[Hayesimus]

so long story super short, 3-time ex-con made death threats on me if I reported him for some vulgar things he said I me in the break room. Well I told HR anyway. So if I quit posting here soon... Gulp! They suspended him today and I'm not gonna rest til he's fired. So I'm wondering if I should expect his wrath. :S

[chrismmm]

he probably is in vioaltion of parole and in the pokey now...

[Hayesimus]

well I know if he does anything illegal then he goes back to prison to finish the remainder of his sentence. 6 years left I think. But if they just fire him then wouldthat constitute a parole violation?

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

well I know if he does anything illegal then he goes back to prison to finish the remainder of his sentence. 6 years left I think. But if they just fire him then wouldthat constitute a parole violation?

Watch your back, man.

[gcvt]

Do you own a firearm?

[gibby71]

Start watching some Walker Texas Ranger and learn those Chuck Norris moves.

[Hayesimus]

No, i do not own a weapon. I'm particularly non-violent(pansie). I've never been in a fight. :S I'm spreadin the love not the hate lol. But alas, there are a tragic few who SOMEHOW have an issue with me. And there's only SOOO much a Chuck Norris Roundhouse Kick can accomplish anyway...

[Napoleon_PhoneApart]

You say this guy is a 3-time con. Do you think he's really worried about becoming a 4-timer?

[iamtko]

You say this guy is a 3-time con. Do you think he's really worried about becoming a 4-timer?

yeah i would bet he likes it in prison, but hates you enough to come after you.

i would
1. move
2. become part of the protective services program
3. buy a gun
4. buy a hitman to get him before he gets you

[Lincoln]

Scary, I recommend changing your name to Hayesimus and growing a beard.

- John

[iamtko]

Scary, I recommend changing your name to Hayesimus and growing a beard.

- John

i agree.
plus beards are just amazing in general

[Hayesimus]

You say this guy is a 3-time con. Do you think he's really worried about becoming a 4-timer?


well from what i've gathered, he was in prison for things like drug trafficing and stuff. never anything... MURDEROUS. :S so i'm hopin that means he will keep it that way...

[Hayesimus]

Scary, I recommend changing your name to Hayesimus and growing a beard.

- John


alas, i fear that would provide little help for he is aware of my online screen name Hayesimus. :S And a beard? Well, that would take the better part of a year to grow. lol. i only shave like once ever 8 days haha

[up10ad]

Hayes my friend.... buy a gun and learn how to use it properly. :cool:
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It takes a lot to put a parolee back in prison. I was a parole officer for the State of Maryland back in the 70's and even then no one was violated for stupid stuff like losing a job. It usually took a heavy misdemeanor or felony to slam the door.

Take care of yourself!

[kokogirl]

so long story super short, 3-time ex-con made death threats on me if I reported him for some vulgar things he said I me in the break room. Well I told HR anyway. So if I quit posting here soon... Gulp! They suspended him today and I'm not gonna rest til he's fired. So I'm wondering if I should expect his wrath. :S

What's he an ex-con for?

[Hayesimus]

look a few post above yours koko girl.

[kokogirl]

look a few post above yours koko girl.

Ooops. I posted without reading page 2 of the thread. Take are of yourself. Drugs and violence seems to like to hang out together.

I like how you are sticking to your "guns." No one deserves to be harassed at work.

[Hayesimus]

well, if it was just me, then i'd probably just ignore it, but he treats everyone just as bad. Yet he has always gotten away with it because no one ever says anything. but this time it was me, and i WILL. And the witnesses don't hurt either.

[Hayesimus]

wow. okay. so apparently it is okay to be entirely offensive to one person at work and then threaten to KILL them if they tell. because APPARENTLY you can still keep your job. NEWS to me. I need a lawyer. :S

[kokogirl]

Laws in FL are more favorable to the employer than the employee. We can fire anyone here.

That is BS. Did that guy get any disciplinary action taken against him?

[Hayesimus]

He got a "final write up" which only is on record for 6 months. But hmmmmm been to 3 different prisons... yeah. I'd be scared of a write up TOO! Those idiots in HR. :S

[Hayesimus]

well. so been a while since there's been any sort of activity in this topic. but, I have noticed lately that the ex-con keeps coming around me. Like if he is going to another line at work, he will take a route that puts him going directly beside me. Like 5 inches away. So I went to my boss and asked him to tell the ex-con to maintain a distance, perhaps take an alternate route to get to his destination. My boss said I was trying to start something.

I told him no I'm not. When someone threatens to kill me, it makes me uncomfortable to have them within arms reach.

He said that he thought we had been getting along. I told him the only reason things have been fine lately is that when he comes into the break room, I leave. When I go to break i sit as far away from him as I can if neccessary. I'm always leaving, he's always coming. He said,"I thought we were passed this..." I said,"Well, it was PUSHED passed me." Because I told them I wanted him fired and they just gave him a slap on the wrist and said sorry, charlie. He replied,"That's an HR issue."

I explained to him that I wasn't blaming anyone, I just am trying to avoid yet ANOTHER altercation with him. His reply? "I'm not the police."

I love my job sometimes...

[up10ad]

Hmm, not that it's a bad thing, but it almost seems like you or them is setting up a harassment action.

[Hayesimus]

what do you mean? like I'm being harrassed or I'm doing the harrassing?

[up10ad]

what do you mean? like I'm being harrassed or I'm doing the harrassing?
If you have good documentation of what has transpired, I think they better take some action or they are setting themselves up for an harassment action BY you against them. Your actions requesting that they do something is your part in setting them up for failure, but that's OK in my book.

[Hayesimus]

Well, alas, I have no documentation of a conversation held in the office between only my boss and myself. No witness, but all of the other things mentioned in this thread have been documented by HR.

They even had 2 witnesses(one of the witnesses and I weren't even speaking to each other at the time, so for him to come forward and support me was a pretty big deal in my opinion) supply testimony on my behalf about what the ex-con was saying and how he told them that he would kill me if I reported him and that he asked them to lie for him. All of that and HR STILL didn't fire him.

I'm still just disgusted by the whole thing. Now I have to go to work every day and see his pathetic face and hear his worthless voice. I've never had such a low opinion of someone in my life.

I've decided that I need to get a small digital recorder and carry it with me so that when he is in the room I can record what he says out loud because he usually has nothing short of obscene to say. And also to record conversations I have with my boss.

[Alexander]

Maybe I'm just playing devils advocate -

When he threatened to kill me if I reported him for a simple exchange of mean words, I wouldn't report him. I would of just ignored the comments - no matter how vulgar. Especially since you knew his past record...

[Hayesimus]

well, that's just it, it wasn't a simple exchange of words. Perhaps you had to be there but the intent of his words were extremely malicious. And to top it off, after the supervisor walked into the break room, he tried to engage in small talk with me. As though he didn't just cause a scene and as though he didn't try to get me fired a month and a half prior.

the two witnesses in the breakroom stood there in shock after he said the things he did. Both because of what he said and the way he said it, and they didn't even know exactly what it meant because it was sorta like an inside joke only it wasn't a joke. I was the only one that KNEW what he was talking about.

And I also am tired of him treating ANYONE like that. I'm just the first person to try and do something about it. Maybe I'm a narc, but I'm a professional. I go to work to get paid, not be harrassed by a low life with no abitions beyone living at his mom's when he's 40.

[up10ad]

Well, alas, I have no documentation of a conversation held in the office between only my boss and myself. No witness, but all of the other things mentioned in this thread have been documented by HR.
All you need are contemporaneous notes. Every time anything happens, write it down in a notebook or a computer file with date and time. You may not need it, but then again it may come in handy.

[Hayesimus]

ok, so i just read through this thread and realized i left alot to the imagination, so... I am going to post again in just a second. This is my official statement that I had to turn into HR. One second while I locate that file...

[Hayesimus]

Sorry for any offensive language, but these are direct qoutes.

Here is the incident report.

On the night of 1-15-8, I, Hayes Paul du Plantis IV, was going to break between 2 and 4 in the morning. I entered the break room and saw C and L sitting at the table by the vending machines. I proceeded to the soda machine and got a Coke. Then I got a bag of chips. During this, K D BARGED into the break room and loudly, almost at a yell, said, ”C, I love you more than shells and cheese.” I thought in my head that this sounded vaguely familiar. But never looked at K. He repeated, ”I love you more than shells and cheese.” I moved to the other part of the break room at which point K added, “I love you more than Star Trek!” At this point I realized why this announcement was familiar. It was a DIRECT quote of something I’d written to my best-friend a few months ago. K continued, “I HATE FAGGOTS! I HATE FAGGOTS!” This was at a full YELL. He then kicked the door open and exited. L looked at me and said, “What was THAT about?” I knew but couldn’t say anything because I was already beginning to shake because of how uncomfortable he had just made me. He then came back into the break room and yelled, “I HATE FAGGOTS!” One last time. Then my friend E entered the room. She was about to sit with me and K yelled for her to come into the vending machine area. He only tries to steal her attention from me to make me mad, as he has done this numerous times in the past month. I looked at her and shook my head no. I said quietly, “Ignore him. Just sit down.” She asked, “Why?” I said, “I’ll explain later.”

Then K came into the part of the break room we were in. He sat at a table next to ours with his back to the wall so that E was between both of us. Then he tried to engage her in small talk. He saw our supervisor outside the break room and motioned him in. Then he said, “I can’t work Thursday. But E will. Right E? You want to work? Or Hayes… do you want to work Hayes?” He said it with a smirk, as in Haha, our supervisor didn’t see what I just did and you can’t do anything about it. I feel that K shouldn’t be speaking to me ANYWAY after him trying to get me fired. I know I have CERTAINLY maintained considerable distance from him. At this point I look at K and say, “Don’t you say my name ever again. Don’t you speak TO me or ABOUT me EVER AGAIN!” He begins yelling that I started it or something. I said, “You’re lucky I don’t complain about what you said!” At this point supervisor chimed in and said, “All I saw was him try to talk to you and you jump all over him for it.” I said, “He was in there yelling ‘I hate faggots, I hate faggots’. If that wasn’t about me then it is still offensive language!” The argument continued with K and I until I was like, “Stop talking to me!” and he got up and left the break room. And supervisor had called leadman over to the break room and said he was about to send two people home and let HR handle it. I was shaking so bad by this point that I couldn’t even pick up my phone off the table. I had food in my mouth and I couldn’t even swallow it. I was nearly in tears, both because of K yelling and being belligerent, which brought back memories of the time he said he was gonna punch my face in when we were in the break room on D-shift last year, and also because I can’t afford to be sent home for something I was drug into. Then supervisor called me into the copy room with K and leadman. They said we needed to work this out or HR would fire us both. And K said he heard I was talking about him and that he wanted to get even. And that he had talked to supervisor about it and supervisor had given him permission to say “Whatever I want as long as I didn’t use your name.” supervisor didn’t correct him on this. leadman kept saying “ya’ll” need to work this out, “ya’ll” can’t be doin this at work, “ya’ll” etc. I clarified, “YA’LL didn’t do ANYTHING. YA’LL didn’t start this. HE did. I did nothing but sit in the break room and ignore him!” supervisor said that we needed to move on and I said, “sure.”

I went back to the break room and tried to finish my food. I then went back to the line and ignored everyone. E tried talking to me and I said that I didn’t feel like talking to anyone. I didn’t look at anyone. I was so embarrassed and sick to my stomach. Then, later, both L and C at different times came and told me that I needed to go to HR. I told them I didn’t want to lose my job. They told me not to let them walk all over me. And then they said they were gonna go if I didn’t. C told me he went to supervisor about K. After all this, I still had decided not to notify HR. However, after work I went home and went to bed and I ended up having nightmares about K trying to hurt me at work.

Then I decided that I can’t work in such a hostile environment anymore. This is the second time K has gotten hostile with me at work. And I can’t risk it again. I called M the following morning on Thursday and left her my voicemail. She called me back later that afternoon and I told her everything. Then I got a text from L that said K had threatened to kill me. She called me and told me about what K had told her and C and about him asking them to lie for him. Well I went into work Thursday night. I had already warned Overtime Supervisor and Overtime Leadman about the situation because I feared K would either try to pick a fight with me or try to sabotage the mixer. I told them about him threatening me. Well, through the course of the night, someone wrote in the PVC dust under the mixer the word, “FAG.” While there is no way to prove that K did this, I know that it wasn’t anyone else. I get along great with everyone on D-shift. Even R and I have begun to reconcile our differences. And this has never happened before. Just on the ONE day that K worked. I informed Overtime Leadman and Overtime Supervisor about it and they both saw it.

I cannot stress the severity of this situation. I have been on edge ever since. I have had subsequent nightmares. I am constantly checking over my shoulder when I’m getting in my car to go to work because I’m afraid K may be waiting for me. Someone even stood next to me when I wasn’t looking a couple nights ago and I nearly jumped out of my skin because I thought it was K. I can’t work in such a hostile environment. I can’t be expected to do my job to the best of my ability in a safe manner when I’m looking over my shoulder the whole time afraid K is gonna be there.
The end.



There were also 2 witness testimonies to all of this. All three of us put in our report sheet that we think he should have been fired. SO yeah. Still doesn't sound as bad in text as it does when he's yelling at the top of his lungs, red in the face. But maybe you will understand my perspective better now.

[macgirl]

wow. a lot going on where you work, hayes! that sucks - i'm sorry to hear you still have to deal with all of this!

one thing first - you may want to edit your account of what happened and remove the full names of your co-workers to protect their privacy (also, if they ever find this account online and don't agree with it, they could pursue you for libel).

do you work at a large corporation? i admit that my HR experience is all at large companies that have robust legal departments and strong policies against violence and harassment. if you work at a small company, they are probably not prepared/aware of the best practices out there in terms of how to handle violence and harassment in the workplace, making things harder for you...

i'm surprised that he was let off with a warning for the death threats. employers can be held liable nowadays if employees are injured at work by a co-worker whom the employer knew had a history of or demonstrated the potential for violence. if your company didn't terminate him after the death threats, i'm not hopeful that they'll address his most recent bahavior appropriately, based on what you've described (i should note that i'm not a lawyer and can't advise you professionally, and i'm only able to work off of what you described, not "both sides of the story").

as already suggested, you should keep documenting everything that happens. find the policies, if any, your company has on violence and harassment, and always frame your claims in relation to those policies to both your manager and HR. make it very clear that you find it unacceptable to need to have to be around this person at all while at work, and if you fear for your life, make that known loud and clear to your manager and HR. you should also file for a restraining order against him as well - if it's granted, you would need to give a copy of it to your manager and HR.

as an HR person, i've never tolerated violence or the potential for violence anywhere i've worked - i hope your HR people take this same view soon...

[Hayesimus]

well that's the thing. TWICE an individual at work has made death threats. Once, an individual threatened to put a bullet in a coworker's head for sleeping with his wife. Less than a year later, he walked into his living room and shot him in the head and then shot a startled friend(and coworker) that came out of the bathroom(who survived and identified the assailant). Another time an individual threatened to kill someone that didn't work at the factory and he followed through. I mentioned these to the HR rep when I was making my report. I said,"This isn't the first time someone has made death threats at work. Have you heard about that one guy? He threatened to kill that other guy..." and she finished with,"And he did it..."

So, I figured she'd take it seriously. But, somehow... I don't understand, they never even talked to me again after I filed the report. They told me he was suspended and I was like GREAT that probably means he'll be fired.

Then I show up at work the next night and he's sittin in the break room. The individual's L and C both looked in horror at me and we all collectively said,"What the HELL is HE doing here?!" Everyone on our shift was scratching their heads. I tried calling a lawyer, but I never got through to one at the time and now I fear its been too long to take legal action about any of that, but if anything else happens it will be the 3rd or 4th time with K and that's an indisputable pattern of aggression and if he isn't fired at that point I am going to a lawyer for sure.

[Hondamaker]

Sorry, but I would find it very emasculating to 'tattle' on another man. I'll get flamed for this, but you should deal with it like a man. I may have thought you were gay, but I never thought of you as a puss. Knock, knock, who's there? Oh, it's second thoughts!

[Hayesimus]

Its in the work place. And this 3time ex-con has already tried to get me fired.
Dealing with it like a man is a archaic and stagnant solution to problems. I'm dealing with it in a mature and professional manner within the guidelines of the law. Fighting doesn't solve anything. There's no point to it. The only solution that would be acceptable to me is the one where he no longer works with me. That means either he gets fired or I get a new job. There's no other option I'd consider.

[up10ad]

Keep in mind being 'forced' to leave due to inaction by your HR department doesn't mean that you don't still have recourse against them, in fact, it could bolster your case. However, we are all proceeding with this having only heard one side of the issue, and hopefully your version reflects reality as others would see it. Regardless, it's a shame you have to go through this. What's that quote, "...do what you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life". Hating your job is a life-affecting situation, don't put up with it if things don't improve shortly.

[Hayesimus]

Well, I've only stated the facts. What I feel is probably worse. I feel that this individual has serious mental issues. He's 40 and still lives with his mom and dad. He doesn't pay them rent. He moved out for about 2 weeks a few months ago and then moved back in "because its free." He goes out with a different "girl" every two or three weeks. I say "girl" because I'm not entirely convinced that he's straight. He has been to 3 prisons and it seems odd that he can't seem to keep even ONE woman. Actually the ones who DO show interest in him he never gives the time of day.

But the point is that every time he meets his "new girl" he is already sayin they are gonna get married. When he and I were friends, (I think I just threw up in my mouth...) I started hanging out with this other guy that works with us named D. This guy and his wife would talk to me all the time, him at work and her online. We hung out a few times too. Well, they would tell me how much they couldn't stand him and that he's crazy and that they were afraid to leave him alone with their kids because he might molest them.

But they always acted like best friends when he was in the room. So, I began to realize that either they were lying to me, or lying to him. Regardless, they were being two-faced and I finally told them that I couldn't associate with people that associate with the ex-con because my safety was at risk. I told them I was sorry and that if he didn't work there anymore it might be different.

The next day they deleted me from their myspace accounts and stuff. This only seemed to prove that they couldn't really be trusted anyway. But back to the K thing. He, in a joking manner, has stated that he could get into my house while I was sleeping without me knowing until it was too late. He makes sexual references ALL THE TIME as this is how he jokes around.

There is PLENTY of evidence against him and NONE against me. Every word he utters is a lie or a bending of the truth. He can't be trusted with ANYTHING. Even when he and I were... nonadversarial, I would only tell him things if I wanted someone to find out. And it worked everytime.

He really is a sorry individual. And he has two kids too, btw. That's right, rather than living on his own, which he can afford, he lives with his mom and dad. I figure that his kids would probably like to have a room of their own when they come to visit, but maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Hondamaker]

Its in the work place. And this 3time ex-con has already tried to get me fired.
Dealing with it like a man is a archaic and stagnant solution to problems. I'm dealing with it in a mature and professional manner within the guidelines of the law. Fighting doesn't solve anything. There's no point to it. The only solution that would be acceptable to me is the one where he no longer works with me. That means either he gets fired or I get a new job. There's no other option I'd consider.I understand....

[Hayesimus]

Cool. It could also have something to do with the fact that I'm 6ft tall and weigh a mear 135 lbs. :P I wouldn't last long in a fight.

[Hondamaker]

Cool. It could also have something to do with the fact that I'm 6ft tall and weigh a mear 135 lbs. :P I wouldn't last long in a fight.
I never meant that you should get physical! LOL
Just never back down or a$$holes like him will walk all over you. But it's no fun to go to work every day and be miserable because of some of the people you are stuck working with.

[Hayesimus]

I don't back down, its just that my supervisor happens to be his best friend. Its the reason he's been getting away with so much. So, if I even involve myself in the situation that he presents then I am the one who gets blamed. SO I avoid him at all costs and I make a big deal about it too so that people will be able to vouch for me the great lengths I've been taking to avoid him. There are two sections to our break area. I LONG hall of a break room and an adjoining room that's tiny and has all our vending machines and one full table and a tiny table.

If he is in the break room when I go to break I'll go sit in the little room with my back to the crowd. People come in and say why are you sitting in here? And I tell them because K is in there. Or I may just say that its too crowded in there. lol. But they know what I mean. And if I'm already seated in the larger area when he goes to break, I finish what I'm doin and then leave. When I see him come in, I say aloud,"That's my cue." Not to where he could hear it though, just the person sitting next to me or whatever. I never give him a reason to start a fight.

[up10ad]

Yep, maybe you are an emo. But I'm not saying that like its a bad thing. :2cool:

[Hayesimus]

Nah. I'm not into black clothing... :P

[dwp1975]

Put two and two together, you more than likely have nothing to worry about in terms of him getting physical, for him to say he hates gay people out loud like that he obviously got "taken advantage" of while in prison and is just taking it out on you. Like the previous poster said, man up and don't let him chump you.