college football

[smitty24]

So with LSU loosing, what college football team will step up?

That was a great game by the way. Absolutely awesome, and i don't even like either team, just a hardcore football fan...

I personally would have liked to see LSU vs. WV in the national championship, but o well...

I gotta represent my USF Bulls tho while im on the subject...

[420greg]

It looks like right now the winner of Kansas/Missouri will play WV for the Championship, if WV loses their last game then Ohio state will sneak in.

[Lincoln]

I'm going for West Virginia. The people who burn couches. :tounge:

- John

[Lincoln]

BTW - That was an amazing finish tonight. Triple overtime.

- John

[RRT1]

Go Mizzou!!!!

[mernst]

GO GATORS!!!!!!!
even though we did ok this year....

[Lincoln]

I'm watching the UCONN and WV game right now.

WVU 14, UCONN 7.

BTW - I just saw a Voyager ad while watching the game - and jeez did it look crappy!

- John

[smitty24]

I'm watching the UCONN and WV game right now.

WVU 14, UCONN 7.

BTW - I just saw a Voyager ad while watching the game - and jeez did it look crappy!

- John

me too...GO WVU!

[Youngbinks]

Goooo Gators!

[iamtko]

triple OT was nice.

still upset over the A&M win...

[Lincoln]

4th quarter, WVU 45, UCONN 14.

I say WVU for the Championship!

- John

[Lincoln]

WV won! Let's burn some couches!

- John

[smitty24]

WV won! Let's burn some couches!

- John

they absolutely whooped up on UCONN. i just dont see them loosing to PITT next week, but this season has been anything but predictable...

now, lets burn some couches...lol...

[smitty24]

during the gator game, they showed someone with the iPhone taking a picture...was it Youngbinks???

[Doby45]

during the gator game, they showed someone with the iPhone taking a picture...was it Youngbinks???

I saw that too..

GO DAWGS!!!!!! #4

[winterymix]

Finally...WVU gets a few breaks and will get to show the nation that West Virginia can produce a national champ..and not just inbred hillbillies. GO WVU!!

Now I gotta run. My wife/sister is yelling for me to get off the laptop.

-Wintery
WV Proud!

[smitty24]

Finally...WVU gets a few breaks and will get to show the nation that West Virginia can produce a national champ..and not just inbred hillbillies. GO WVU!!

Now I gotta run. My wife/sister is yelling for me to get off the laptop.

-Wintery
WV Proud!

haha, too funny.

WVU looks like a title contender the way they have been playing lately.

I just want a BIG EAST team to win...we are better than people think(except the officiating, but what confernece has good officiating).

and once again, GO BULLS!

[iStealth]

Go Mizzou!!!!
Yes Go Tigers!! MIZ - ZOU!!!

[sportychick]

I am a die hard Georgia fan. We are ranked fourth.

Seeing as how I do not see West Virginia losing to Pittsburgh although I do think Mizzouri is going down to Oklahoma.

But if we cant go the the National title I would love to play USC. I think that would be an awesome match up.

I think the national title will be WV and Ohio State. Guess we will see.

[KGMJr32]

I can't believe how screwed up the BCS is this year.

[sportychick]

I saw that too..

GO DAWGS!!!!!! #4

Yeah DOBY!! You got the right team:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

<----------big Dawgs fan here.

[smitty24]

I can't believe how screwed up the BCS is this year.

I can. Its definitely a mix up, but BCS haters need a year like this. This has been the best SEASON for college football ever. Every game means something, and the teams realize that by the way they play.

It also proves that each conference needs a +1 game at the end of the regular season.

[Doby45]

Ohio State sucks. THAT is who I would like to see Georgia play. I would fall all over myself to see the Buckeyes play a SEC team. I mean look at Florida on them last year. And I hate Florida (cause I am a DAWG) but I was licking my chops last year when the Gators eradicated the Buckeyes. They need another taste of the SEC this year..

[smitty24]

SEC > Big Ten
SEC > Most Conferences

IMO

[Doby45]

I dig you Smitty..

[smitty24]

I just call it like it is. :)

[sportychick]

Doby

I would like to see Ohio State play the dawgs as well. I will take them or USC this year. I cant stand either of those teams and I think they need a good ole dawg whooping. :2cool:

I am still crossing my fingers that a miracle falls from the sky and pittsburgh beats WV - sorry WV fans but I want to see my dogs in the number two spot:tounge:

[xcissexc]

WVU all the way the title is ours

[smitty24]

Ohio State sucks. THAT is who I would like to see Georgia play. I would fall all over myself to see the Buckeyes play a SEC team. I mean look at Florida on them last year. And I hate Florida (cause I am a DAWG) but I was licking my chops last year when the Gators eradicated the Buckeyes. They need another taste of the SEC this year..

Looks like you Dawg fans will get your wish...

WVU = CHOKED

[setritt]

Looks like you Dawg fans will get your wish...

WVU = CHOKED

i wish we did get in there (UGA) but from the sounds of it it's going to be LSU because they won the SEC and beat VA Tech.

[xcissexc]

yo **** ****in hap0pens u no wvu shoulda won tha game was total BS BS
BS BS BS

[Doby45]

i wish we did get in there (UGA) but from the sounds of it it's going to be LSU because they won the SEC and beat VA Tech.

Good thing about that is winning your conference is not considered mandatory to play in the NCG, if that was the case Ohio St would not even be there. And how Ohio St is ranked the way they are I have no idea, they had prolly one of the weakest schedules in the whole NCAA. And LSU looked pitiful lastnight. I think that will also be taken into account.

[Lincoln]

That West Virginia game was AWFUL!

They really played a pathetic game.

- John

[Youngbinks]

Ohio State sucks. THAT is who I would like to see Georgia play. I would fall all over myself to see the Buckeyes play a SEC team. I mean look at Florida on them last year. And I hate Florida (cause I am a DAWG) but I was licking my chops last year when the Gators eradicated the Buckeyes. They need another taste of the SEC this year..


I have to agree with you here Doby. OSU showed just what a great team when they played us last year (UF that is) and they still had one of the weakest schedules again this year. I would love for an SEC team to be in the NCG whether its GA or LSU because I'm almost certain either would dominate.

[smitty24]

I have to agree with you here Doby. OSU showed just what a great team when they played us last year (UF that is) and they still had one of the weakest schedules again this year. I would love for an SEC team to be in the NCG whether its GA or LSU because I'm almost certain either would dominate.

yea, the SEC, assuming LSU or GA would get in would dominate. no question. OSU does have a pathetic schedule, year in and year out and last years nat'l championship game proves it...

sucks that WVU couldnt pull it out, they would be #1. gotta preform when it counts, thats what natl championship teams do...

[Lincoln]

West Virginia's now #9 in one poll, #11 in another. Sad.

It was pretty cruel of Pitt to beat them like that. WV had a great shot at the Championship, and Pitt had none whatsoever, and they go and take away that chance.

Nobody cares that Pitt won, more people care that WV lost.

I'd like to see Ohio win the championship though. They're pretty good.

- John

[smitty24]

hawaii and gerogia = sugar bowl
usc - illinois = rose bowl
Oklahoma - west virginia = fiesta bowl
virginia tech - kansas = orange bowl
ohio state - lsu = national championship

[kokogirl]

West Virginia's now #9 in one poll, #11 in another. Sad.

It was pretty cruel of Pitt to beat them like that. WV had a great shot at the Championship, and Pitt had none whatsoever, and they go and take away that chance.

Nobody cares that Pitt won, more people care that WV lost.

I'd like to see Ohio win the championship though. They're pretty good.

- John

Cruel? It is a game that the players try to win no matter what. I lived in Pittsburgh for a few years and the Pitt/WV rivalry is HUGE. (Like UF/GA or UF/FSU). Pitt cares Pitt won-and this win will give them a lot of confidence going into next year. WV was not good enough to play in championship if Pitt beat them.

[kokogirl]

Ohio State sucks. THAT is who I would like to see Georgia play. I would fall all over myself to see the Buckeyes play a SEC team. I mean look at Florida on them last year. And I hate Florida (cause I am a DAWG) but I was licking my chops last year when the Gators eradicated the Buckeyes. They need another taste of the SEC this year..

I agree with you-I hate the Dawgs since I am a Gator, but when it comes to bowl time I am all SEC, baby!

[Youngbinks]

I am so tired of seeing an overrated Ohio State in a National Championship Game. I really do hope someone else in the Sports world realizes how easy their schedule was and how overrated they are. Let's go LSU!

[smitty24]

I am so tired of seeing an overrated Ohio State in a National Championship Game. I really do hope someone else in the Sports world realizes how easy their schedule was and how overrated they are. Let's go LSU!

CORRECT! I too want the SEC to expose the weakness of the Big 10...2 years in a row SEC!!!

[Doby45]

OSU is 0-8 VS SEC teams anyway. Lets make it 0-9. Eventually, one day the Paper Tiger that is OSU will be exposed for what it truly is.

[ColsTiger]

I'm not sure LSU will beat OSU. I personally think LSU was tremendously lucky to move up five spots this week. They lost twice to teams that didn't even win their divisions and almost lost to Florida, Auburn and Alabama. I wouldn't even compare them to the Florida team that won last year. They may beat OSU, but I'll be surprised if they do.

Personally, I think Georgia would have given OSU a much better game in the BCS CG.

[phop5]

Go Bucks !!!!

[termleech]

Go Hokies :)

[Dawgfan]

CORRECT! I too want the SEC to expose the weakness of the Big 10...2 years in a row SEC!!!
Two years?

When you get a chance, Google OSU's bowl record and look how they have performed against SEC teams.. I couldn't find a win and I went back to 1989.. Heck OSU even lost to SOUTH CAROLINA!!!

GA beat ol' Herbsreit too!!!

[Dawgfan]

My thoughts are....
That OSU does NOT deserve to be in the NC.
If winning your division counts like they are saying it does, I think Oklahoma should be in the big game..

Objectively, I can see GA not being in the game over LSU as LSU did win the SECC and GA had their chance but slept vs. TN.

In all honesty, GA fans never expected a season this good this year. We are playing with 3 freshman on OL, a freshman RB in Moreno and youth all over our secondary... I am very, very stoked at how well GA has done this year and I can only hope that they recognize how important EACH game is and do everything in their power to leave no doubt in anyone's mind in 2008...

[Dawgfan]

I'm not sure LSU will beat OSU. I personally think LSU was tremendously lucky to move up five spots this week. They lost twice to teams that didn't even win their divisions and almost lost to Florida, Auburn and Alabama. I wouldn't even compare them to the Florida team that won last year. They may beat OSU, but I'll be surprised if they do.

Personally, I think Georgia would have given OSU a much better game in the BCS CG.
While I appreciate the GA sentiments I would like to say that the teams LSU did lose to had Heisman hopefulls in McFadden and Woodson.

I agree with Coach Richt in that I (personally) think GA could beat LSU this year.. we did it when they had Russell and we could do it with Flynn or his backup. However, GA lost vs TN and so it doesn't really matter this year.

[smitty24]

Two years?

When you get a chance, Google OSU's bowl record and look how they have performed against SEC teams.. I couldn't find a win and I went back to 1989.. Heck OSU even lost to SOUTH CAROLINA!!!

GA beat ol' Herbsreit too!!!

i just meant back to back. The Gators last year and the Tigers this year.

[gijoe]

OSU is 0-8 VS SEC teams anyway. Lets make it 0-9. Eventually, one day the Paper Tiger that is OSU will be exposed for what it truly is.

Incorrect, OSU is 0-8 only in bowls vs. the SEC. OSU is 1-0-1 vs LSU. They have dominated the BCS era right behind USC after they have completed their "soft" schedule (4-1 in BCS bowls).

[kunfuzious]

Good thing about that is winning your conference is not considered mandatory to play in the NCG, if that was the case Ohio St would not even be there. And how Ohio St is ranked the way they are I have no idea, they had prolly one of the weakest schedules in the whole NCAA. And LSU looked pitiful lastnight. I think that will also be taken into account.


If you can't even win your own conference (which OSU DID do at 7-1) then you have no business playing for a National Championship. Say what you will about LSU, they won the SEC. Georgia didn't. If we are talking about the hottest two teams in the country then it should be USC vs. Georgia, because each finished stronger. However, the two most deserving teams got in. And for the record I am not a fan of either of these two teams...

[Hondamaker]

OSU is 0-8 VS SEC teams anyway. Lets make it 0-9. Eventually, one day the Paper Tiger that is OSU will be exposed for what it truly is.
And what is it, truly?

Bucks win it, 21 - 14. Go Bucks!!!

[Doby45]

They have dominated the BCS era right behind USC after they have completed their "soft" schedule (4-1 in BCS bowls).

They have "dominated" by being the least soft in a soft conference. Period.

[Doby45]

If you can't even win your own conference (which OSU DID do at 7-1) then you have no business playing for a National Championship. Say what you will about LSU, they won the SEC. Georgia didn't. If we are talking about the hottest two teams in the country then it should be USC vs. Georgia, because each finished stronger. However, the two most deserving teams got in. And for the record I am not a fan of either of these two teams...

I have never argued the point that UGA should be in the bowl over LSU. I simply stated, just as Mark Richt did, that the winning of the conference is not "suppose" to be a deciding factor. I am personally glad that LSU made it in to represent the SEC. I also believe that LSU will hand OSU their butts. I will say one deserving team made it in, OSU has proved nothing. I also am not a fan of either team.

[Doby45]

And what is it, truly?

Bucks win it, 21 - 14. Go Bucks!!!

Lets see if your prediction holds true, I doubt it will.

[goobs22xx]

I have never argued the point that UGA should be in the bowl over LSU. I simply stated, just as Mark Richt did, that the winning of the conference is not "suppose" to be a deciding factor.


Maybe not by definition, but by logic it is.

How can you be #1/2 in the country and #3 in your conference?

[Doby45]

Maybe not by definition, but by logic it is.

How can you be #1/2 in the country and #3 in your conference?

I understand the logic. That simply shows the flaw of the BCS. How could you be ranked 4th in the country by the same BCS system? This is a tired debate. The BCS is severely flawed, LSU will do the SEC proud and OSU will be relegated to much of the same spanking that they got last year. My main gripe is with OSU being #1, what a joke. Just like last year, they are/were suppose to be so tough and they had their a$$es handed to them by Florida. I think we will just start to see a pattern of the media and OSU's soft schedule pushing them to the top and the SEC tearing them down each year.

[Dawgfan]

Doby, I completely share your sentiments on OSU.

Last year OSU was embarrassed by a FL team that, if you were familiar with the SEC, was actually FL on a down year. GA played FL that year with a true freshman at QB, gave FL the ball on t/o FIVE times and still only lost by a TD. Leak consistently ran for his life but was a decent QB.

Going into the NC game last year I was convinced that this was the year that a team like OSU could have a chance... and it wasn't even close...

IMO, what folks have witnessed with LSU over the course of the year is a coach with SICK amounts of talent but seriously lacking in the coaching department has done. He has won early on energy and come very, very close to coaching himself out of several games. This is actually a down year for LSU as they are no where near as dominant as they were when Saban was there. No one in the SEC fears LSU anymore, plain and simple.

All said and done it is teams like Oklahoma, Mizzou and Va Tech that should REALLY be ticked off, especially Oklahoma IMO.

It will be nice if LSU can manhandle OSU, GA can take care of HW and FL can do what it did to OSU last year against Michigan.

While the GA/HW game should be exciting, it is really a lose/lose for GA. If they win, they were supposed to. If they lose, they were "overrated".. Regardless, I just hope that GA takes all this BS into next season and it lights a fire to throttle everyone that gets in their way..

[phop5]

ecactly what are the strong points in either Georgia or LSU's schedules?

[gijoe]

They have "dominated" by being the least soft in a soft conference. Period.

Sure, beating a "soft" Miami in 03 was an easy task. Nobody could do it for the 30 some games prior.

I'm sorry Georgia got smoked by a Tennessee team that was worthless out of conference and beat by a South Carolina team that was lucky to be bowl eligible. Win one of those you have an argument, otherwise you are just crying about how your team loses a game it shouldn't just like it does every other year.

[kunfuzious]

I have never argued the point that UGA should be in the bowl over LSU. I simply stated, just as Mark Richt did, that the winning of the conference is not "suppose" to be a deciding factor. I am personally glad that LSU made it in to represent the SEC. I also believe that LSU will hand OSU their butts. I will say one deserving team made it in, OSU has proved nothing. I also am not a fan of either team.

Again, speaking as a neutral fan here, OSU did as much as anyone else to get in that game. They lost one game, and won their conference. I have no doubts LSU should be the favorite in that game, but if anyone spent anytime watching OSU and believes that that team doesn't have a legitimate case of being in the BCS Title game, then you haven't watched enough college football. I've watched over 130 games this season (I bet ALOT on college football) and can't think of a team that has a better case to be in the game besides OSU (excluding LSU of coarse).

[iMeth]

whoa what a game it was with Colt Brennan leading us Warriors to another victory... I was at the game and it was 1 exciting time against Washington. It's locked Colt Brennan though I'll be glad if he does win the Heisman but it doesn't really matter though because when you hit the NFL you most likely bust. Go Warriors woot woot!!!

[iMeth]

I want to add this is our first BCS!!

[Dawgfan]

Sure, beating a "soft" Miami in 03 was an easy task. Nobody could do it for the 30 some games prior.

I'm sorry Georgia got smoked by a Tennessee team that was worthless out of conference and beat by a South Carolina team that was lucky to be bowl eligible. Win one of those you have an argument, otherwise you are just crying about how your team loses a game it shouldn't just like it does every other year.

Yes, GA deserves to not be in the NC after losing to TN. It should be a lesson that you have to win games like this.

Speaking of OSU and comparing them to GA or LSU's strength of schedule is hilarious (possibly a different poster but I am addressing here).

I would be HIGHLY interested to see a list of the ranked teams OSU played this year..

The Big 10 needs to be exposed.. specifically OSU as it consistently schedules a cupcake season, refuses to play anyone in the SEC, refuses to have a conference championship, etc.

OSU has is made and it knows it. They play cupcakes all year and then know that they can still get an at-large into the BCS since the Big 10 doesn't have the conference championship game to weed any of the Big 10 teams out..

Thankfully, everytime OSU does make it to the show, they prove they didn't deserve it.


I quote from an article here....


The team that is clearly undeserving is Ohio State.
Ohio State deliberately scheduled a weak non-conference schedule to go along with the weakest Big Ten conference games in years. They lost to unranked Illinois while ranked No. 1 in November. They were at No. 5 after playing their last game. After two weeks off, they were back at No. 1.
Ohio State never once took the field against a ranked opponent. In comparison, every SEC team played at least 5 games against ranked opponents. South Carolina played 8 ranked opponents. Ohio State played 3 teams from Ohio: Youngstown State, Akron, and Kent State (two of these schools had losing records). OSU played Northwestern (lost to Duke) and Minnesota (lost to Div.II North Dakota State, Bowling Green, and Florida Atlantic University and won only 1 game--The Big Ten had an embarrassing loss almost every week this season.)

Consequently, it was a 7 game restful season for Ohio State from the start. Breaking down those 7 Ohio State opponents: Purdue went 7-5 (the wins were from Toledo, Eastern Illinois, Minnesota, Central Michigan, Northwestern, Iowa and Notre Dame); Iowa 5-6 (lost to Western Michigan, beat Minnesota by a field goal); Michigan (embarrassed by non-conference opponents App. State and Oregon?but caught a break by finally getting to play some Big Ten teams); Washington (has 8 losses); Penn State (beat 7 cup cakes, then beat Wisconsin, but lost 4 of its 5 legitimate games); and Wisconsin (lost its only tough games against Illinois, Penn State before losing to OSU); and Illinois (beat Ohio State but had 3 overall losses).

This makes Ohio State deserving of a title shot?
A reality check. These seven OSU opponents are about as strong as the bottom half of the SEC at their worst. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, and Tennessee could equal or better Ohio State's record with their schedule. So could USC, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and Missouri.

[Dawgfan]

whoa what a game it was with Colt Brennan leading us Warriors to another victory... I was at the game and it was 1 exciting time against Washington. It's locked Colt Brennan though I'll be glad if he does win the Heisman but it doesn't really matter though because when you hit the NFL you most likely bust. Go Warriors woot woot!!!

Congratulations on that win and I bet that was a helluva game to be at!!

[Doby45]

Sure, beating a "soft" Miami in 03 was an easy task. Nobody could do it for the 30 some games prior.

You have got to be joking.. Your going to site a single game as the end all be all? You can site 3 or 4 games if you want, but the totality of the picture is Big Ten is a soft conference, period. You guys have OSU and Michigan. I mean if you want to site a single game, then look at OSU VS Florida last year and Michigan VS App State this year. There goes your whole conference. Therefore the siting of a single game is pointless and makes you look silly. I guess you could also say that Illinois had its banner year by making it to 14th in the BCS ranking. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry Georgia got smoked by a Tennessee team that was worthless out of conference

Tennessee lost a total of 4 games, 3 SEC and a single to #12 Cal. I don't see that as being worthless out of conference.

[Dawgfan]

The best part about this is this was supposed to be a down year for GA. We played (and started) 3 freshman on the OL, a freshman RB and played more freshmen all over than I have ever seen.

Many fans of UGA were getting prepared for an 8 win season at best possibly due to youth and inexperience. Many of us would have NEVER guessed 10+ win season.

2008 could be a special year for UGA.

I can't wait to see A.J. Green in Red and Black.. this kid is one of only 3 people in U.S. history to have over 5,000 receiving yards in highschool. Caleb King will be in the mix as well....

man I love college football.

[Doby45]

Brother, you could not be more right. @008 will be a VERY special year. With both Moreno and King in the backfield it is going to be scary to be on the other side of the ball. never know which side is gonna knock you out. LOL All I want for Christmas is an authentic UGA black jersey with the Sugar Bowl patch on it.

[Dawgfan]

Brother, you could not be more right. @008 will be a VERY special year. With both Moreno and King in the backfield it is going to be scary to be on the other side of the ball. never know which side is gonna knock you out. LOL All I want for Christmas is an authentic UGA black jersey with the Sugar Bowl patch on it.
The missus and I went to one of those college stores and bought her dad a print of the "Celebration".

They already have framed stuff with the Blackout, Celebration, etc... the only thing I noticed about one of the best looking shots with the black jerseys is they used a photo of Chapas about to get the ball... WTF?

Stafford/Cox
Moreno/King
Southerland/Munzenmaier
MoMass/Harris/A.J. Green/Durham/Goodman/White/Wilson
Figgins/Chandler/Ward

Owens/Atkins/Wynn/Weston/Irvin/Dobbs/Samuel
Ellerbe/Curran/Washington/Dent/Dewberry/Hebron
Allen/Miller/Evans/Byrd/Jones/Banks/Cuff


Just color me giddy...I been a fan for about 30 years and I ain't seen many lineups like that.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

I personally vote for college football playoffs! We would get to see many more good matchups and they could do that and still have their bowl games! :-)

And I must say, I'm pretty happy with the season my Sooners had! No one was very certain about our team in preseason considering there was once again a QB question but Sam Bradford proved to be more that worthy! Watch out for the Sooners next season! They could go all the way! And how about what they did to Chase Daniel for a 2nd time this season?

[Dawgfan]

I personally vote for college football playoffs! We would get to see many more good matchups and they could do that and still have their bowl games! :-)

And I must say, I'm pretty happy with the season my Sooners had! No one was very certain about our team in preseason considering there was once again a QB question but Sam Bradford proved to be more that worthy! Watch out for the Sooners next season! They could go all the way! And how about what they did to Chase Daniel for a 2nd time this season?
Great year for the Sooners and Bradford was awesome.
OK has more of an argument to be in the NC than GA IMO.
Shutting down Daniel is no cakewalk for sure.

couldn't resist adding...
GA didn't do so bad with ol' Tebag..I mean Tebow...

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

Great year for the Sooners and Bradford was awesome.
OK has more of an argument to be in the NC than GA IMO.
Shutting down Daniel is no cakewalk for sure.

couldn't resist adding...
GA didn't do so bad with ol' Tebag..I mean Tebow...

Yea, sucks we'd be in the NC had Bradford not got a concussion against Texas Tech :-(

GA vs. HAW should be a pretty good game!
And WVU vs. OU...
and those are probably the only two worth watching IMO.

I think the NC this year is a joke... by the bcs it's probably the right choice, but the two BEST teams will not be playing for the championship...

[kotsos]

Well I have been listening to the people on ESPN talking about it over and over again and also some of the people in this thread and I would like to say that I am extremely disappointed by the opinions voiced as a Virginia Tech fan.

So please allow me to voice my own opinion and please tell me what you think. Let's do the math: Last week the rankings were: 1. Mizzou, 2. WVU 3. OS, 4. UGA, 5. Kansas, 6. VT, 7. LSU. Now there are two ways that you can approach this.

1) Let the idle teams be 1 and 2 which means it would be Ohio State vs UGA for the championship. ( I am ok with this idea)

2) Agree that teams that played for the conference championship and won, should jump the idle teams in the rankings which would make the championship game either : VT vs Ohio State OR VT vs LSU.

Why? LSU beat #14 Tennessee. VT beat #11 Boston College. Since VT was ranked 6th and LSU 7th, VT should be ranked higher than LSU given that they also beat a team that was ranked higher than Tennessee.

AND nobody say like the clowns on ESPN that LSU beat VT by 41 points. That was 4 months ago, now VT and LSU are completely different teams and afterall, WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE LAST WEEK WHEN VT WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN LSU? Didn't this fact apply at the time? Do they come up with different excuses to rank teams every week?

Politics man....its all politics. LSU is playing at home. Putting people in the stands and selling merchandise is all about the BCS this year NOT having a true championship game.

[Dawgfan]

Well I have been listening to the people on ESPN talking about it over and over again and also some of the people in this thread and I would like to say that I am extremely disappointed by the opinions voiced as a Virginia Tech fan.

So please allow me to voice my own opinion and please tell me what you think. Let's do the math: Last week the rankings were: 1. Mizzou, 2. WVU 3. OS, 4. UGA, 5. Kansas, 6. VT, 7. LSU. Now there are two ways that you can approach this.

1) Let the idle teams be 1 and 2 which means it would be Ohio State vs UGA for the championship. ( I am ok with this idea)

2) Agree that teams that played for the conference championship and won, should jump the idle teams in the rankings which would make the championship game either : VT vs Ohio State OR VT vs LSU.

Why? LSU beat #14 Tennessee. VT beat #11 Boston College. Since VT was ranked 6th and LSU 7th, VT should be ranked higher than LSU given that they also beat a team that was ranked higher than Tennessee.

AND nobody say like the clowns on ESPN that LSU beat VT by 41 points. That was 4 months ago, now VT and LSU are completely different teams and afterall, WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE LAST WEEK WHEN VT WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN LSU? Didn't this fact apply at the time? Do they come up with different excuses to rank teams every week?

Politics man....its all politics. LSU is playing at home. Putting people in the stands and selling merchandise is all about the BCS this year NOT having a true championship game.

Honestly, I don't know enough about VT or their schedule to say they should or should not be in the NC. I will say that I think because they went to AND won their conference championship game, they should be more deserving than GA to play in the NC.

What is messed up is that neither playing in NOR winning your conference championship is a requirement of the BCS to play in the NC. However, GA, because the SEC has a CC moves DOWN while OSU, who plays no CC after its cupcake season moves up while not playing for WEEKS..

I find that insane personally.

I actually was OK with GA not being in the NC because as much as I live and breathe GA football, there are more deserving teams this year like OK and I guess VT. What is funny is that the "non-CC BCS requirement" counted AGAINST GA but didn't COUNT FOR OK or VT..

Just plain messed up.

I personally wanted to see USC vs GA as THAT would be a game IMO.

[gijoe]

Tennessee lost a total of 4 games, 3 SEC and a single to #12 Cal. I don't see that as being worthless out of conference.

They got killed in their only meaningful game out of conference to a bad CAL team. Why would I care if CAL was ranked #12 at the time? Louisville was ranked like 7th at the beginning of the season, lets throw them into a BCS game.

Since there are only 2 teams in the Big 10, how did Penn St. and Wisconsin fare against the SEC last year?

The "weak" Big 10 is 8-6 against the SEC in bowls the past 5 years. Good conference, just way overrated.

[gijoe]

The Big 10 needs to be exposed.. specifically OSU as it consistently schedules a cupcake season, refuses to play anyone in the SEC, refuses to have a conference championship, etc.

OSU has is made and it knows it. They play cupcakes all year and then know that they can still get an at-large into the BCS since the Big 10 doesn't have the conference championship game to weed any of the Big 10 teams out..

Thankfully, everytime OSU does make it to the show, they prove they didn't deserve it.

OSU does not refuse to play the SEC. It is frowned upon by both conferences administration because of the bowl tie-ins they have.

How does OSU constantly schedule cupcakes? The Big 10 is out of their control, they just finished home and home with Texas and Washington (which was decent when they scheduled them), played Washington St. when they won the Pac 10 in 02, and have future home and home scheduled with USC, Miami, Cal, Virginia Tech, and Oklahoma. Sounds like they are scheduling cupcakes alright :wink:

Who is Georgia playing out of conference the next 6 years?

OSU is 1-1 in championship games, how is that proving they do not deserve making it to the "show".

[Drtydzn12]

I'm in Hawaii and I'm rooting for UH. Go Warriors! Last game was amazing. Georgia better watch out on New Years. And Brennan is in top 4 for Heisman. I hope he gets it.

[Dawgfan]

They got killed in their only meaningful game out of conference to a bad CAL team. Why would I care if CAL was ranked #12 at the time? Louisville was ranked like 7th at the beginning of the season, lets throw them into a BCS game.

Since there are only 2 teams in the Big 10, how did Penn St. and Wisconsin fare against the SEC last year?

The "weak" Big 10 is 8-6 against the SEC in bowls the past 5 years. Good conference, just way overrated.

I am interested to know what teams were playing in those games.

What is OSU's record vs SEC teams in bowl games in the last 20 years? Let's go ahead and go back to 1920 (which is far as the bigten.cstv site will go) and see how many SEC teams OSU has beaten in bowl games.. That would be zero. OSU has not won a bowl game against an SEC team in over 80 years!! Ever??

From checking http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/big10-bowl-history.html I cannot find this 8-6 record. I could be just tired as it is late but I just am not seeing it. Now if you go back a bit further I do see some wins but it looks like Michigan is doing all the work..

Since 2002:
Iowa beat Florida in 2003
Michigan beat Florida in 2002
Minnesota beat Arkansas in 2002

In the early 2000s, somebody tried to give OSU a win by playing them against South Carolina TWO years in a row and OSU still lost both games.

Penn State lost to Auburn in 2002
Purdue lost to GA in 2003
Wisconsin lost to Auburn in 2003

**I am tired.. dern site only goes to 2003.. So 3-3 through 2003 and 2004-2006 would go 5-3 I guess.. too tired to look right now..**

[Dawgfan]

I'm in Hawaii and I'm rooting for UH. Go Warriors! Last game was amazing. Georgia better watch out on New Years. And Brennan is in top 4 for Heisman. I hope he gets it.
I would bet UGA is not sleeping on that Hawaii team. The game actually sets up badly for GA. First of all if we win, folks are going to have expected it but if we lose then we will be "overated".. I never thought we would break the top 10 this year so I am stoked regardless.

GA's weakness is its secondary so I would bet good $$ you see them try to get a push/pass rush with the front 4 and play a lot of nickel. It will truly be up to GA's D-line to not give Colt so much time.

GA will also do their best to keep Colt off the field via a prolonged running game. There is a good chance that folks don't see as much of Moreno as GA fans would like unless Brown and Lumpkin (both SRs and Lump is back from injury) are struggling.

Good Luck and enjoy the game!! We have one of the best bowl games this year... The ONLY undefeated team vs a hot GA team.. TWO very capable Os.

[gijoe]

I am interested to know what teams were playing in those games.

What is OSU's record vs SEC teams in bowl games in the last 20 years? Let's go ahead and go back to 1920 (which is far as the bigten.cstv site will go) and see how many SEC teams OSU has beaten in bowl games.. That would be zero. OSU has not won a bowl game against an SEC team in over 80 years!! Ever??

From checking http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/big10-bowl-history.html I cannot find this 8-6 record. I could be just tired as it is late but I just am not seeing it. Now if you go back a bit further I do see some wins but it looks like Michigan is doing all the work..

Since 2002:
Iowa beat Florida in 2003
Michigan beat Florida in 2002
Minnesota beat Arkansas in 2002

In the early 2000s, somebody tried to give OSU a win by playing them against South Carolina TWO years in a row and OSU still lost both games.

Penn State lost to Auburn in 2002
Purdue lost to GA in 2003
Wisconsin lost to Auburn in 2003

**I am tired.. dern site only goes to 2003.. So 3-3 through 2003 and 2004-2006 would go 5-3 I guess.. too tired to look right now..**

Well you are at least forgetting the 2-1 last year. OSU not very good the two years they played South Carolina, Cooper's last year that got him fired and Tressel's first year. Nobody was giving anybody wins (BTW, if that was you trying to take a shot at how bad South Carolina was, Georgia LOST to South Carolina both of those years). I am not arguing OSU's record in bowl games over the SEC and never tried to. I am pointing out OSU does not schedule cupcakes every year, and the Big 10 isn't as weak as everyone thinks if they have a better head to head record over the mighty SEC.

You said OSU schedules cupcakes when I listed off several powers they will be playing soon and have already played. You also said they blow it every time they make it to the championship game when they are 1-1, how is that blowing it. You haven't answered my questions and have decided instead to debate something that I am not trying to argue (OSU record vs. SEC).

So once again, how has OSU blown it every time they make it to the championship, and who is Georgia playing out of conference the next 6 years? I would like to compare since we schedule cupcakes like Texas, USC, Miami, Virginia Tech, Cal, and Oklahoma.

[gijoe]

Here are the bowl records for the Big 10 vs. the SEC the past 5 years.


1-0 Michigan
2-2 Wisconsin
1-1 Penn St.
0-1 OSU
2-1 Iowa
2-0 Minnesota
0-1 Purdue

All I'm trying to argue is this:

The Big 10 isn't as bad as the media wants you to think. Is it the best conference, no. I think the SEC is usually deepest conference, but the Big 10 seems pretty comparable the past 5 years when it comes to bowl matchups. The SEC receives too much media hype, and the Big 10 receives too much scrutiny.

OSU has not blown it in every championship game if they are 1-1, there is no argument there.

OSU does not schedule cupcakes if they have played Washington St. (Pac 10 champs when they played), Washington made it to the Rose Bowl with one loss the year after that series was scheduled, already played Texas home and home, and have meetings with USC, Miami, Cal, Virginia Tech, and Oklahoma scheduled the next 8 years.

Congratulations to Georgia, I agree they were definitely one of the best teams at the end of the year and I wish the Rose Bowl would have selected them so there would be a huge matchup with USC. That is why we need a playoff, so we can settle it all on the field.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

Well I have been listening to the people on ESPN talking about it over and over again and also some of the people in this thread and I would like to say that I am extremely disappointed by the opinions voiced as a Virginia Tech fan.

So please allow me to voice my own opinion and please tell me what you think. Let's do the math: Last week the rankings were: 1. Mizzou, 2. WVU 3. OS, 4. UGA, 5. Kansas, 6. VT, 7. LSU. Now there are two ways that you can approach this.

1) Let the idle teams be 1 and 2 which means it would be Ohio State vs UGA for the championship. ( I am ok with this idea)

2) Agree that teams that played for the conference championship and won, should jump the idle teams in the rankings which would make the championship game either : VT vs Ohio State OR VT vs LSU.

Why? LSU beat #14 Tennessee. VT beat #11 Boston College. Since VT was ranked 6th and LSU 7th, VT should be ranked higher than LSU given that they also beat a team that was ranked higher than Tennessee.

AND nobody say like the clowns on ESPN that LSU beat VT by 41 points. That was 4 months ago, now VT and LSU are completely different teams and afterall, WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE LAST WEEK WHEN VT WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN LSU? Didn't this fact apply at the time? Do they come up with different excuses to rank teams every week?

Politics man....its all politics. LSU is playing at home. Putting people in the stands and selling merchandise is all about the BCS this year NOT having a true championship game.

I like the part about not voting the idle teams into the nc, I havent been much for Ohio anyway, but I think if no one voted Ohio a lot of those votes would go to ou and put ou above vt, ou is above vt in both human polls its just the computer have ou ranked lower which is why vt is barely above ou... This could just be the sooner fan in me talking too.

[Dawgfan]

Well you are at least forgetting the 2-1 last year. OSU not very good the two years they played South Carolina, Cooper's last year that got him fired and Tressel's first year. Nobody was giving anybody wins (BTW, if that was you trying to take a shot at how bad South Carolina was, Georgia LOST to South Carolina both of those years). I am not arguing OSU's record in bowl games over the SEC and never tried to. I am pointing out OSU does not schedule cupcakes every year, and the Big 10 isn't as weak as everyone thinks if they have a better head to head record over the mighty SEC.

You said OSU schedules cupcakes when I listed off several powers they will be playing soon and have already played. You also said they blow it every time they make it to the championship game when they are 1-1, how is that blowing it. You haven't answered my questions and have decided instead to debate something that I am not trying to argue (OSU record vs. SEC).

So once again, how has OSU blown it every time they make it to the championship, and who is Georgia playing out of conference the next 6 years? I would like to compare since we schedule cupcakes like Texas, USC, Miami, Virginia Tech, Cal, and Oklahoma.

My points were focused at OSU, not the Big Ten..
Looking like all stars all year with a Heisman QB and then getting waxed in NC is blowing it IMO, my opinion of course.
Yes, GA lost to SC that year. My point was an overall view of OSU's lack of success against the SEC.
My FOCUS is on OSU NOT deserving to be in the NC. I could care less about the rest of the Big Ten and have nothing against that conference.

GA tried to schedule Texas, I think ND and a few other powerhouses recently and they declined.

GA plays Arizona State away in 2008, Okie State and Arizona State in 2009 and I believe they just scheduled Oregon...that's all you ask? When you have to play AU, AL, FL, ARK, LSU, SC, TN on a consistent basis there is only room for so much...

My only point is that OSU in the NC game THIS year is a farce.

[Dawgfan]

I have to add...
Unless you are a rival and you are a college football fan it is hard NOT to like Michigan and Penn State IMO.. I grew up in GA, went to see #34 play as a kid, went to and graduated from GA so I can be a bit intense.. Heck, I have fallen off Sanford Bridge after getting kicked out of a game!!
However, it is hard not to like and impossible not to respect MANY teams from the Big Ten. My gripe is that so many OTHER teams in the Big Ten are the ones deserving of the hype as they actually follow through come Bowl Game time.

I hope I have not been disrespectful in my comment in any way and if so I apologize.. I can get a bit excited about this topic.

[Dawgfan]

I like the part about not voting the idle teams into the nc, I havent been much for Ohio anyway, but I think if no one voted Ohio a lot of those votes would go to ou and put ou above vt, ou is above vt in both human polls its just the computer have ou ranked lower which is why vt is barely above ou... This could just be the sooner fan in me talking too.
Totally agree.
In my completely non-professional opinion I don't think either GA OR OSU (idle teams) should be in the NC this year.

[gijoe]

My points were focused at OSU, not the Big Ten..
Looking like all stars all year with a Heisman QB and then getting waxed in NC is blowing it IMO, my opinion of course.

Yes, last year they blew it, but you said:

Thankfully, everytime OSU does make it to the show, they prove they didn't deserve it.

They have not blown it everytime. Beating a Miami team on a 30 some game win streak and 13 point underdogs is hardly blowing anything.

My FOCUS is on OSU NOT deserving to be in the NC. I could care less about the rest of the Big Ten and have nothing against that conference.

But....

OSU has is made and it knows it. They play cupcakes all year and then know that they can still get an at-large into the BCS since the Big 10 doesn't have the conference championship game to weed any of the Big 10 teams out.

Sure sounds to me you have something against OSU and the Big 10 conference.


GA plays Arizona State away in 2008, Okie State and Arizona State in 2009 and I believe they just scheduled Oregon...that's all you ask? When you have to play AU, AL, FL, ARK, LSU, SC, TN on a consistent basis there is only room for so much...

Ok, Arizona State, Oklahoma State, and Oregon does not compare with what OSU has scheduled in the future and what they had schedule the past couple of years. Oregon and Arizona State were good this year most years they are pretty average. Oklahoma State is average year in year out. The past 5 years the Big 10 has been better than those SEC teams you mentioned on a head to head basis, so I don't really care if you have to play them every year. I am just talking out of conference. MY point, is you said OSU schedules cupcakes when they have several national powers lined up and just finished a home and home with Texas.

My only point is that OSU in the NC game THIS year is a farce.

Is OSU one of the two best teams in the country right now? I don't know, we'll see how they match up with LSU. Under the current system they definitly deserve it, they did what was asked of them. Is the system flawed? Yes, but there isn't a more deserving team other than OSU you can put in that spot. You say OSU hasn't played for weeks, that is because they played 12 consecutive games and didn't have the benefit of a bye week. Georgia moved up from #24 to #18 during their bye week, as does every team when someone loses in front of them.

No hard feelings, I know how you feel. It is fun to debate and I grew up in Ohio an OSU fan, graduated from OSU and will always be an OSU fan. I just hate when the media sways people's opinions based on a "what have you done for me lately" kind of basis. It is hard to judge how good any conference is compared to another without a playoff, all we have to judge them by is out of conference victories and bowls.

[Dawgfan]

Yes, last year they blew it, but you said:

I just hate when the media sways people's opinions based on a "what have you done for me lately" kind of basis. It is hard to judge how good any conference is compared to another without a playoff, all we have to judge them by is out of conference victories and bowls.

I can only tell you that my intent was OSU and their record vs SEC teams.

Speaking of the media, I would think you would be LOVING the media these days as they basically went to town making the case for OSU.. Heck, even Herbstreit admittedly created his own new rule for the BCS...

[Dawgfan]

The chances of us agreeing are slim but it is fun.
:)

[gijoe]

The chances of us agreeing are slim but it is fun.
:)

It's all good fun, without disagreements what fun would sports be :smile:

I guess we'll agree to disagree. We'll reassess it after the championship game and the bowls.

[iMeth]

congrats to Tebow... 2bad Colt Brennan will outshine him in the NFL...

[kotsos]

I like the part about not voting the idle teams into the nc, I havent been much for Ohio anyway, but I think if no one voted Ohio a lot of those votes would go to ou and put ou above vt, ou is above vt in both human polls its just the computer have ou ranked lower which is why vt is barely above ou... This could just be the sooner fan in me talking too.

I am sorry but I do not agree with your opinion that ou belongs higher than vt. VT was ranked as the number 1 team in 4 different polls including the computer polls and Sagarin. Why would ou jump vt in the rankings? Because they beat an overrated Mizzou? Twice?

I think the most objective polls are the computer polls where you just input the info and the computers spit out a ranking. You cannot get more objective than this. As far as the human polls are concerned, here is where politics is involved. Who can put fans in the stands and who can sell more merchandise.

Hardly the reasons to go to a nc game or for a team to jump another team which is ranked 3 spots above like vt was ranked compared to ou. But again it must be the vt fan in me talking.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

I am sorry but I do not agree with your opinion that ou belongs higher than vt. VT was ranked as the number 1 team in 4 different polls including the computer polls and Sagarin. Why would ou jump vt in the rankings? Because they beat an overrated Mizzou? Twice?

I think the most objective polls are the computer polls where you just input the info and the computers spit out a ranking. You cannot get more objective than this. As far as the human polls are concerned, here is where politics is involved. Who can put fans in the stands and who can sell more merchandise.

Hardly the reasons to go to a nc game or for a team to jump another team which is ranked 3 spots above like vt was ranked compared to ou. But again it must be the vt fan in me talking.

The reason I think ou would be above vt is bc the human polls are 2/3 of the BCS ranking... Most voters have ou above vt and if Ohio wasn't in the top two a lot of voters would give ou a number one or two vote over vt. Ou is third in 2 of the 3 bcs polls, and there is not a major point diff between vt and ou that's why I am pretty sure ou would have passed vt in the bcs.

And I don't exactly believe that mizzou is overrated, I think they are very good, I would pick them the beat Ohio if those two played, ou is just a far better team all around than mizzou.

And yes many human voters are bias however there are a lot of factors that a computer does not and cannot factor, and that's why the human voters give more weight in the bcs standings.

[kotsos]

The reason I think ou would be above vt is bc the human polls are 2/3 of the BCS ranking... Most voters have ou above vt and if Ohio wasn't in the top two a lot of voters would give ou a number one or two vote over vt. Ou is third in 2 of the 3 bcs polls, and there is not a major point diff between vt and ou that's why I am pretty sure ou would have passed vt in the bcs.

And I don't exactly believe that mizzou is overrated, I think they are very good, I would pick them the beat Ohio if those two played, ou is just a far better team all around than mizzou.

And yes many human voters are bias however there are a lot of factors that a computer does not and cannot factor, and that's why the human voters give more weight in the bcs standings.

Well I disagree. You say go with the voters, I say go with the computers because the voters are hypocritical and they always remember what is in their best interest, something that computers are unable to do. I guess that's why the bcs takes an average of both because there are arguments for and against. And anyway, VT is ranked 3rd and OU is ranked 4th so there can be no argument about that.....sorry.

Anyway, loosing to colorado and Texas Tech (Late in the season I might add) is hardly an impressive resume. At least VT lost to two teams that were ranked #2 at the time and one of them is playing for the national championship. Add to that the 6 game winning streak that VT has and you get a team that should be competing for the nc. In any case VT is third. OU is fourth. This is the bottom line.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

Well I disagree. You say go with the voters, I say go with the computers because the voters are hypocritical and they always remember what is in their best interest, something that computers are unable to do. I guess that's why the bcs takes an average of both because there are arguments for and against. And anyway, VT is ranked 3rd and OU is ranked 4th so there can be no argument about that.....sorry.

Anyway, loosing to colorado and Texas Tech (Late in the season I might add) is hardly an impressive resume. At least VT lost to two teams that were ranked #2 at the time and one of them is playing for the national championship. Add to that the 6 game winning streak that VT has and you get a team that should be competing for the nc. In any case VT is third. OU is fourth. This is the bottom line.

I never said go with the voters, what I am saying is a fact, the voters account for 2/3 of bcs and OU is 3rd in those 2/3rds of the bcs.

I'm not sure if you watch football, but we played TT without our starting qb, and nearly came back and won. And we barely lost both games we lost, we muffed and punt and gave CU the ball on about the 30, we blew that one. But at least we didn't get blown out 48-7, that one wasn't even close.

And the argument wasn't about whether vt is 3 and ou is 4th, but about would most likely happen had the voters not voted for OSU in the NC. And apparently your not smart enough to realize what I'm saying, I'm not arguing about the current rankings, but hypothetically what could have happened, so how am I wrong?

And everyone has their own case about who should be competing for the NC and OU should get the nod over VT bc we beat the #1 ranked team in nation on the last week of the reg season.

[kotsos]

I never said go with the voters, what I am saying is a fact, the voters account for 2/3 of bcs and OU is 3rd in those 2/3rds of the bcs.

I'm not sure if you watch football, but we played TT without our starting qb, and nearly came back and won. And we barely lost both games we lost, we muffed and punt and gave CU the ball on about the 30, we blew that one. But at least we didn't get blown out 48-7, that one wasn't even close.

And the argument wasn't about whether vt is 3 and ou is 4th, but about would most likely happen had the voters not voted for OSU in the NC. And apparently your not smart enough to realize what I'm saying, I'm not arguing about the current rankings, but hypothetically what could have happened, so how am I wrong?

And everyone has their own case about who should be competing for the NC and OU should get the nod over VT bc we beat the #1 ranked team in nation on the last week of the reg season.


You are wrong because I am also looking at it hypothetically. If hypothetically OSU was not ranked 1, I am arguing that VT should have been at least ranked 2 and my argument makes sense since VT is ranked number 3. So the championship game would have been LSU vs VT. This only makes sense given the current rankings. And hence since you are not disputing the rankings then you agree with me.

And you may have beat the number 1 team but that was Mizzou for God's sake. In any case...not worth arguing back and forth I guess. No good will come out of it and anyways, both VT and OU are in good bowl games. Oh and the "not smart enough" was a cheap shot. I hate arguing over the internet because it simply does not make sense.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

You are wrong because I am also looking at it hypothetically. If hypothetically OSU was not ranked 1, I am arguing that VT should have been at least ranked 2 and my argument makes sense since VT is ranked number 3. So the championship game would have been LSU vs VT. This only makes sense given the current rankings. And hence since you are not disputing the rankings then you agree with me.

And you may have beat the number 1 team but that was Mizzou for God's sake. In any case...not worth arguing back and forth I guess. No good will come out of it and anyways, both VT and OU are in good bowl games. Oh and the "not smart enough" was a cheap shot. I hate arguing over the internet because it simply does not make sense.

The vt says it would be vt and lsu and the ou fan says it would be ou vs lsu... Both are very likely... According to how the bcs works either one could have happened, I personally think those human votes would mostly go to ou and allow ou to jump vt since the only part of the BCD that by is ahead of ou in they are number one so they can't up any higher than that in that 1/3 of the bcs.

I agree with you, Internet arguing is dumb... I appologize for my comment, very uncalled for and it was ignorant for me to say that. We'll agree that is would for sure be ou or vt in the nc if osu wasn't there, sound good?

New discussion... What do you think about tebow winning the heisman? Who do think should have won?

[aggieman]

The vt says it would be vt and lsu and the ou fan says it would be ou vs lsu... Both are very likely... According to how the bcs works either one could have happened, I personally think those human votes would mostly go to ou and allow ou to jump vt since the only part of the BCD that by is ahead of ou in they are number one so they can't up any higher than that in that 1/3 of the bcs.

I agree with you, Internet arguing is dumb... I appologize for my comment, very uncalled for and it was ignorant for me to say that. We'll agree that is would for sure be ou or vt in the nc if osu wasn't there, sound good?

New discussion... What do you think about tebow winning the heisman? Who do think should have won?

I think Tebow hands down was the best choice. After that I'd have to go with Chase Daniel as without him, Mizzou isn't more than a 6-6 team.

[kotsos]

Honestly, I think McFadden should have gotten the Heisman. I mean the guy was the runner up last year and everyone agrees that he is the best football player in college football. I say McFadden, but I do not particularly feel strongly about it. Tebow was just as impressive but he is only a sophomore. He could have gotten the award next year.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

I have to say I think Tebow deseved it, I don't think age should matter as injuries and stuff can easily ruin that chance, I think if you are the best player regardless of age you deserve heisman... For example Adrian Peterson his freshman year, I strongly believe he deserved the heisman, he didnt get it bc he was a freshman and he didnt have another good shot at it due to injuries (but like he cares now).

But I do think the Brennan is better at the qb position, or what I'm trying to say is I think he will have a better chance than tebow in the NFL. But I think Tebow deserved it bc he was outstanding and has unbelievable numbers.

[Dawgfan]

I have to say I think Tebow deseved it, I don't think age should matter as injuries and stuff can easily ruin that chance, I think if you are the best player regardless of age you deserve heisman... For example Adrian Peterson his freshman year, I strongly believe he deserved the heisman, he didnt get it bc he was a freshman and he didnt have another good shot at it due to injuries (but like he cares now).

But I do think the Brennan is better at the qb position, or what I'm trying to say is I think he will have a better chance than tebow in the NFL. But I think Tebow deserved it bc he was outstanding and has unbelievable numbers.
Tebow is an incredible athlete but you really have to wonder about his coaching..

He plays QB and RB and not partially. In addition to this, his WR is the actual next in line with "RB" carries.

Not to take away from what he has done but what NFL team is going to let the QB get that many carries.. Heck, what star NFL WR or RB would want to play on a team QB'd by Tebow if he was allowed to do so...?

IMO, there is something inherently wrong with a QB putting up the numbers, rushing AND passing TDs that he has.. To me it speaks to a lack of balance in the O or maybe a lack of skill at the other skill positions that deem it necessary... Nice to know that the Dawgs shut him down.. and don't come to me with the was injured stuff as you can't argue all his TDs on one side and not recognize the risk associated with it on the other..

I would have voted for McFadden personally.

[dmwinkler11@ou.edu]

Tebow is an incredible athlete but you really have to wonder about his coaching..

He plays QB and RB and not partially. In addition to this, his WR is the actual next in line with "RB" carries.

Not to take away from what he has done but what NFL team is going to let the QB get that many carries.. Heck, what star NFL WR or RB would want to play on a team QB'd by Tebow if he was allowed to do so...?

IMO, there is something inherently wrong with a QB putting up the numbers, rushing AND passing TDs that he has.. To me it speaks to a lack of balance in the O or maybe a lack of skill at the other skill positions that deem it necessary... Nice to know that the Dawgs shut him down.. and don't come to me with the was injured stuff as you can't argue all his TDs on one side and not recognize the risk associated with it on the other..

I would have voted for McFadden personally.

I agree... not many, if any, NFL teams will let their QB run that many times, but the heisman is not for the player who will be the best NFL player, it is for the most outstanding college football player this season... college football and the NFL are two different games. I won't argue about the lack of balance etc b/c I completely agree... but b/c he did all this and carried this team, I do believe he was very derserving of being voted most outstanding player, b/c he was. If your voting for who will be the best NFL player, then yes, I'll agree with you and say McFadden.

"and don't come to me with the was injured stuff as you can't argue all his TDs on one side and not recognize the risk associated with it on the other.." and what exactly are you trying to say? I never said anything like what your trying to describe... the risk factor is more of a reason for players like Tebow and Peterson to get these votes IMO. And also, people need to look at THIS SEASON when voting, they shouldn't not vote for a freshman just b/c "he will have more chances" b/c he might not, therefore they should vote like I've already stated, the most outstanding player THIS SEASON.