Do you know anyone who has had a good experience with.....?

[Lester56]

Microsoft Vista?

I've been asking around work and have come into contacts thru family and NO ONE I know has had a good experience. In fact, ALL of them have taken in off their machines or are in the process of removing it. I am happy with WinXPro 64 and Mac 10.4 and have seen first hand how very very terrible Vista can be.

My house mate recently (3 weeks ago) purchased a new Dell with very high specs and it came with Vista. I was amazed to see the 2 seconds of GUI lag this box had. And, most importantly :tounge:, it could'nt play Battlefield 2!!! Poor guy spent two days working on a dual boot for XP.

Share your stories....I want to hear them.

P.S., I'm going Hackintosh.

[iamtko]

my friends don't seem to have and problems with their Dell XPS series laptops on gaming or anything really.

but can't you just get a windows xp disk and change the OS? why doesn't everyone just do that(assuming it works)

[Lester56]

my friends don't seem to have and problems with their Dell XPS series laptops on gaming or anything really.

but can't you just get a windows xp disk and change the OS? why doesn't everyone just do that(assuming it works)

Well.....after paying allot for Vista, dipping into your wallet again for WinXP seems like a new marketing tool....sorta like New Coke and Coke Classic. Maybe thats what Microsfot is doing.

[iamtko]

Well.....after paying allot for Vista, dipping into your wallet again for WinXP seems like a new marketing tool....sorta like New Coke and Coke Classic. Maybe thats what Microsfot is doing.

oh, i was just planning on using the windows CD that my desktop came with. afaik that's legal.

[OniKoroshi]

Ugh, you mean Windows ME 2.

[Lincoln]

Once upon a time,

A company called Microsoft released an OS called Vista. It sucked. Badly.

Then, a company called Apple released an OS called Leopard. It kicked Vista's ass.

The End.

[ravman]

I use Vista and have no problems at all with it. Apart for the odd driver issue, everything seems fine. I even restored my iPhone baseband back to 1.0.2 and back up to 1.1.2 the other day in Vista.

I run Half Life 2 / Timeshift and other games fine thru Vista. In terms of stability, it kills XP.

Look at the new Mac operating system. It was totally hyped when it first came out. Now it has been hacked, virused and pooh'd all over and people are complaining about the bugs!!

When XP first came out, people were saying they were gonna stay with Windoze 2000 forever and never upgrade to XP. Now you never even hear of 2000. Every new operating system has initial bugs. The ratio of products that support Windows over Macs is like 100000000000000000000000 to 1. So it will take time for people to write new drivers for Vista.

[OJsakila]

I use Vista and have no problems at all with it. Apart for the odd driver issue, everything seems fine. I even restored my iPhone baseband back to 1.0.2 and back up to 1.1.2 the other day in Vista.

I run Half Life 2 / Timeshift and other games fine thru Vista. In terms of stability, it kills XP.

Look at the new Mac operating system. It was totally hyped when it first came out. Now it has been hacked, virused and pooh'd all over and people are complaining about the bugs!!

When XP first came out, people were saying they were gonna stay with Windoze 2000 forever and never upgrade to XP. Now you never even hear of 2000. Every new operating system has initial bugs. The ratio of products that support Windows over Macs is like 100000000000000000000000 to 1. So it will take time for people to write new drivers for Vista.


If you recall, however, when xp came out 2000 stayed on the shelves for an extended period of time. Same with 95. The problem now is ALL xp machines dissapeared the day vista hit the shelves. That left tons of software that didn't work withvista. At least with the other os the software available was able to work on all os. Microsoft comes across as a big schoolyard bully.

[mittenman]

Running vista on my laptop no problemo. Took a little gettin' used to but I like it, seems like a little bit of xp and osx IMO. Got 1 gig intel duo, no problems to date. iTunes used to be really lagging, but seemed to get better recently with one of the last updates?????

[wrhutch]

I've been using Vista since release. I can't say that I prefer it to XP.

[meiphones_brill]

I have a business that has 2 sites, 70 desktops, 20 servers, 6 laptops, 14 mobile phones, and one IT / technical support guy who is busy half the time.

Needless to say there's not one single byte of Microsoft code either.

[smitty24]

I've been using Vista since release. I can't say that I prefer it to XP.

same here, I use XP at work, but there are definitely features of Vista i wish XP had...(search)

[Ramesh]

I work with XP, but I have Macs at home. My boss has a brother at MS, so he got me a copy of Vista Ultimate for free, so I installed it via parallels. Man, that thing is a resource HOG. It felt like I was using an old version of Leopard. It was way cool lookin' compared to XP, but Vista was why I switched... I wasn't going to pay $600 b/c the one feature I needed was only included in the Ultimate version.

[Shere Khaan]

I've been using Vista for a while and I prefer it to XP. Don't know why people whinge so much about it, unless they were silly enough to install it on old technology.

Doesn't help that companies like Acer sell bottom rung laptops that shouldn't be running vista.

[smitty24]

I've been using Vista for a while and I prefer it to XP. Don't know why people whinge so much about it, unless they were silly enough to install it on old technology.

Doesn't help that companies like Acer sell bottom rung laptops that shouldn't be running vista.

Good Point. I built my computer to run Vista. I have noticed that Vista is on computers with 512 RAM...WTF? it takes at least 1GB to be decent IMO...

[astrolux]

Vista is a great program to laugh at. I set up some brand new computers at work with only Vista and a couple of programs and they sucked. Microsoft seems to be under the impression that in order to make their OS secure is to lock the user out of everything. It was ridiculous at best.

To each their own. I gave up on Microsoft some months ago when I got a new XBOX 360 game and had to load updates.....lame.

[ravman]

You obviously don't understand the new roles that Vista is now using. They are not locking people out, they are making it more easier for multiple people to have accounts on the same PC. Microsoft understands that people use something called networks in the work place. This is the difference with Apple and Microsoft products. What an admin person will have access to, is totally different to what access a user will have.

A windows PC has to communicate with literally 100's of different technologies, running on different operating systems. DB2 on Linux, Oracle on Unix etc. Apple PCs are designed to be stand alone, so someone can draw pretty pictures on it. Apple machines are so great, that they are now using PC technology. Why?

I've never had any problems with Vista when running apps. Don't blame the tools, blame the person using them.



Vista is a great program to laugh at. I set up some brand new computers at work with only Vista and a couple of programs and they sucked. Microsoft seems to be under the impression that in order to make their OS secure is to lock the user out of everything. It was ridiculous at best.

To each their own. I gave up on Microsoft some months ago when I got a new XBOX 360 game and had to load updates.....lame.

[ravman]

20 servers for 70 desktops? Seems like a bit of an over kill? Are these severs running at 5% of their capacity?



I have a business that has 2 sites, 70 desktops, 20 servers, 6 laptops, 14 mobile phones, and one IT / technical support guy who is busy half the time.

Needless to say there's not one single byte of Microsoft code either.

[coinstar99]

I have a notebook that I bought with Vista on it, and Vista runs fine on it. I have recently gone the route of HP-intosh and loaded up Leopard on it, and yes I did buy leopard to put on it, didn't pirate no software, even though I guess its still illegal to do.

As far as comparing the two, they both run fun, There are some things I like about Leopard and there are some things I like about Vista, I haven't decided yet if I am going to run the restore disk and take my notebook back to factory or not. My girlfriend on the other hand has Vista on a notebook that had a free upgrade to Vista, we put more ram in it, for the most part it runs fine. Sometimes it seems a little slow, and every now and again she has to restart caues it crashes. It really all boils down to what a person prefers. I wanted to run OSX cause of my iPhone, I heard that it works well with OSX as opposed to Vista, and honestly it seems the same. I really am at this point neutral, I don't like or dislike one over the other. I would really like to dual boot, I always end up messing it up so a single boot is fine.

[ravman]

You took a regular laptop PC and installed Leopard onto it? Did it work out okay?


I have a notebook that I bought with Vista on it, and Vista runs fine on it. I have recently gone the route of HP-intosh and loaded up Leopard on it, and yes I did buy leopard to put on it, didn't pirate no software, even though I guess its still illegal to do.

As far as comparing the two, they both run fun, There are some things I like about Leopard and there are some things I like about Vista, I haven't decided yet if I am going to run the restore disk and take my notebook back to factory or not. My girlfriend on the other hand has Vista on a notebook that had a free upgrade to Vista, we put more ram in it, for the most part it runs fine. Sometimes it seems a little slow, and every now and again she has to restart caues it crashes. It really all boils down to what a person prefers. I wanted to run OSX cause of my iPhone, I heard that it works well with OSX as opposed to Vista, and honestly it seems the same. I really am at this point neutral, I don't like or dislike one over the other. I would really like to dual boot, I always end up messing it up so a single boot is fine.

[coinstar99]

Yep, you can check out the specs on my notebook its the HP dv6226us. Originally it came with Vista on it, and in a vain attempt to get a dual boot working a smashed the restore partition from here to Cleveland and back so I just finished the job and formated the whole thing to a Mac file format and installed Leopard. There are a few ways of doing it, I ended up installing Tiger first and getting that to work, I had a few hacks to do to get my wireless and sound to work. The other method is to use a particular patch that exsists some place out there and the original disk. I ended up installing leopard onto tiger and it works great! Like I said though I don't know if I am going to keep it or go back to Vista. I haven't had enough contact with some other computer type people to discuss it. Everyone I tell just goes WOW and then stares at me blankly! Its not really that tough to do, if you search Google the instructions are out there

[meiphones_brill]

20 servers for 70 desktops? Seems like a bit of an over kill? Are these severs running at 5% of their capacity?

I'm an ISP running various internet applications , the 70 bodies are sales and support staff, teamakers and marketeers, the servers do serving of applications mostly , plus 2 asterisk exchanges, a fax and sms gateway, bits of hosting and other stuff. the desktops have 2 servers directly - one serves up their userland and the other does their desktop applications, call centre application, crm, databases and tripe.

Most of the servers are only running at 5% though.

[Sleeper]

Vista has the usual problem of any first iteration Microsoft OS - it's been put together for a wide number manufacturers who use an almost infinite combination of components to build their PCs which results in a lot of conflicts - and that even before you start to consider peripherals. It's also got a lot of features which are irritating - the drive indexing feature and the security nanny for a start - and it's bloated beyond what it needs to be. Finally, as has been pointed out, Vista should not be appearing on PCs with less than 2Gb RAM and a Dual Core processor.

That said, I've seen the release spec for SP1 which seems to resolve most of the issues - although the proof of the pudding is in the eating. It's due in Q1 2008. Hopefully this will have the same impact that SP2 had for XP - latest iteration XP was a really nice, stable OS.

Oh and that comment about the Xbox 360 was just silly. Surely it's better to have updates than have to live with known bugs and faults that couldn't be corrected like the PS2? Any moderns system - including Apple's units - will download system updates these days. It's called progress.

As for Leopard, don't know. Haven't used it yet. I doubt it'll kick Vista's ass in the long run though due to MS's virtual monopoly on the home PC and business market (and the 64 bit versions of Vista are actually pretty nice).

[termleech]

Let me preface this post with the fact that I've used MS products since Windows 3.1 and am only recently a Mac user. While I will never use a Windows PC for my personal laptop again and love Leopard, Vista does have some nice features. I sit here and watch all the people blast Vista saying it sucks, but no one really gives a good reason. I know they've had a couple issues, but I've had Vista at work with Office 2007 and I don't mind using it at all. I find it's very snappy and other than not supporting Visual Studio 2003 (which is a small problem for me) it has worked great. I've never had a single issue with it and it is definitely much snappier and faster than XP on this machine.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but Apple did kind of have some big bugs in Leopard as well, you know kind of like that whole, let me erase a huge file for you if your network goes boom while you are copying it. Granted they fixed it, I'm just saying both OS's have their issues. I'll always go with Mac at home, but at work and for developing apps (because I have to say Visual Studio 2008 is amazing), Vista works great. I don't mind using it at all.

[Lester56]

Let me preface this post with the fact that I've used MS products since Windows 3.1 and am only recently a Mac user. While I will never use a Windows PC for my personal laptop again and love Leopard, Vista does have some nice features. I sit here and watch all the people blast Vista saying it sucks, but no one really gives a good reason. I know they've had a couple issues, but I've had Vista at work with Office 2007 and I don't mind using it at all. I find it's very snappy and other than not supporting Visual Studio 2003 (which is a small problem for me) it has worked great. I've never had a single issue with it and it is definitely much snappier and faster than XP on this machine.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but Apple did kind of have some big bugs in Leopard as well, you know kind of like that whole, let me erase a huge file for you if your network goes boom while you are copying it. Granted they fixed it, I'm just saying both OS's have their issues. I'll always go with Mac at home, but at work and for developing apps (because I have to say Visual Studio 2008 is amazing), Vista works great. I don't mind using it at all.

I'll give you a reason why Vista sucks....as I wrote at the top of this thread, my housemate just (3 weeks ago) bought one of Dell's wiz-bang desktops with 2 Gb of RAM, dual core 2.2 Gb CPU, and on and on....and it came with Vista. The GUI has a 2 second lag on everything. Click the button and wait....click and wait, click-wait, click-wait. Vista would not run any multiplayer game PERIOD. The OS was examining every packet and the game servers were punting it for lag. Once WinXP was install the machine came back to life.

[meiphones_brill]

Vista's very very pretty though.

Come on - everyone give it up for Vista's prettyness - wooooo

[Griffinaz]

Good Point. I built my computer to run Vista. I have noticed that Vista is on computers with 512 RAM...WTF? it takes at least 1GB to be decent IMO...

"No one will ever need more than 640k of memory" -Bill Gates, 1985.

(Okay, so he denies he said it and nobody can prove he did, but still....)

[smitty24]

"No one will ever need more than 640k of memory" -Bill Gates, 1985.

(Okay, so he denies he said it and nobody can prove he did, but still....)

haha, that quote is as old as me. (and obviously false.)

anyways, like the commercial says, dont give up on vista...i dont plan on it...but i guess, to each his own.

[ravman]

Do you guys remember that operating system that IBM released about 10 years ago. OS/2 (I think it was called that). Whatever happened to that?

[smitty24]

Do you guys remember that operating system that IBM released about 10 years ago. OS/2 (I think it was called that). Whatever happened to that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os2

they (Microsoft and IBM )decided to part ways...

[Lester56]

"No one will ever need more than 640k of memory" -Bill Gates, 1985.

(Okay, so he denies he said it and nobody can prove he did, but still....)

...wasn't that 64k?

[coinstar99]

So maybe you fine people can help me decide if I should put my HP back to factory or leave it in its HP-intosh state? I just am not sure what to do. I am not a hardcore computer junkie who plays hours of games, I just want a clean running machine with a pretty look. I guess I would rather have an actual Mac as opposed to a hacked Mac, but I can't decide. HELP!

[smitty24]

So maybe you fine people can help me decide if I should put my HP back to factory or leave it in its HP-intosh state? I just am not sure what to do. I am not a hardcore computer junkie who plays hours of games, I just want a clean running machine with a pretty look. I guess I would rather have an actual Mac as opposed to a hacked Mac, but I can't decide. HELP!

well, that would be your decision. It depends on how smooth it runs wheter or not i would reload it. if you like it keep it, let it die, then buy a mac...if you want a Windows computer, do the same...

personally id put windows on it, then get a 'official mac book', but thats just me

[coinstar99]

See thats a good point, I want a real macbook, but I think installing OS X on my notebook was more of a "can I do it?" Thanks for the insite