Easier 1.1.1-to-1.0.2 downgrade method uncovered...

[Tinman]

Saw this over at fiveforty:
http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgrade_from_1.1.1_to_1.0.2

Method B is roughly what I used, but they have now added Method C, which appears to not require the button dance routine:

1. Install iTunes 7.3.2, which you can download from the links below.

2. Download the 1.0.2 iPhone restore file if you don't have it already.

3. Shift + Click Restore (Windows) or Option + Click Restore (Mac), then point to the file below (use .dmg file in download file).

4. Use AppTap Installer you will be back to normal with EDGE and Wi-Fi support.

Perhaps this will help those who are having trouble with the other methods?

Once again this gives 100% functionality to locked AT&T phones on 1.1.1, or those unlocked but have a "valid AT&T SIM and have used an unlock other than the free SIM unlock."

In case I need to do it again, and have trouble with the other methods, I downloaded iTunes 7.3.2 before Apple yanks it.



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[emx620]

Isn't this a double post of http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/good-news-downgrade-to-1-0-2-a-13118.html already posted the other day? :)

EDIT: Or maybe the others just employ the use of making your iphone require the restore marked by the yellow triangle, idk.

[Tinman]

Isn't this a double post of http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/good-news-downgrade-to-1-0-2-a-13118.html already posted the other day? :)

No, it's a different method than what was originally used. This one does not require holding down menu and an sleep, then just menu... you don't need to do that.



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[Velodog2]

Mike
Could you provide the links to 7.3.2? I am getting up the nerve to revert and start modding and I want to start lining up my ducks.

[emx620]

Mike
Could you provide the links to 7.3.2? I am getting up the nerve to revert and start modding and I want to start lining up my ducks.

This should work:

http://filehippo.com/download_itunes/?3005

[Tinman]

Mike
Could you provide the links to 7.3.2? I am getting up the nerve to revert and start modding and I want to start lining up my ducks.

Here ya' go...

Mac:
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iTunes7/Mac/061-3608.20070802.im8t3/iTunes7.3.2.dmg

Windows:
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iTunes7/Win/061-3610.20070802.x4r9j/iTunesSetup.exe

And just to cover all bases, the 1.0.2 firmware:
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-3823.20070821.vormd/iPhone1,1_1.0.2_1C28_Restore.ipsw



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[SpongebObiWan]

When I attempted to install 7.3.2, it told me I already have a later version installed and it could not complete the install (I have 7.4.3.1 installed). So, I am assuming that I first need to uninstall 7.4.3.1, right? My question is then, if I uninstall this, will I know lose my backup sync?

[emx620]

When I attempted to install 7.3.2, it told me I already have a later version installed and it could not complete the install (I have 7.4.3.1 installed). So, I am assuming that I first need to uninstall 7.4.3.1, right? My question is then, if I uninstall this, will I know lose my backup sync?

Yeah I would think you would have to uninstall the old one. About your backups being saved -- I'm not sure. Worst comes to worst, would a system restore restore the backup? I don't think it would. Does anyone know where the restore files are backuped up? If so, maybe you can copy them somewhere safe and put them back after? Seems a hairy situation either way.

[Tinman]

When I attempted to install 7.3.2, it told me I already have a later version installed and it could not complete the install (I have 7.4.3.1 installed). So, I am assuming that I first need to uninstall 7.4.3.1, right? My question is then, if I uninstall this, will I know lose my backup sync?
If you know where the folder is, you can at least make sure to back it up first.

Under Windows (XP) it is here:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourLoginNa\Application Data\Apple Computer\MobileSync\Backup

Not sure if that will allow you to restore from it though. Keep in mind this backup only contains settings, SMS messages, Notes, call history, etc. You other data (music, PIM data, video, etc.) will naturally come back after the first sync. It's not the end of the world if just the backup cannot be used.

Also, I am not sure if uninstalling iTunes will deauthorize that computer for iTunes content. You might need to do that before uninstalling. Perhaps someone more familiar with iTunes can chime in about that.



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[mogz]

Almost made my day... still waiting for a method for those who used the anysim method...

[Tinman]

Almost made my day... still waiting for a method for those who used the anysim method...
Yea, I keep waiting for that to appear--as I figure it will also mean a way to downgrade the baseband. Doesn't appear I need to downgrade the baseband just yet, but I'd like to know that I am able to.


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[mogz]

i was wondering, once they found a method to downgrade the baseband, will I then be able to just update it to 1.1.1 as normal?

I was thinking of selling the iphone and getting the iTouch instead...

[Tinman]

I think that is the goal: to be able to undo the unlock as if it never happened. If they succeed then, yes, I think you should be able to get it back to a fully-functional 1.1.1 (stock) iPhone.

However, I believe they might actually be closer to a 1.1.1 unlock. This means you'd have a 1.1.1 iPhone that is unlocked (but no 3rd party apps). If this happens you might find that an unlocked iPhone will fetch more money than a locked one (hard to tell though--after the 1.1.1 disaster people might not be willing to pay for unlocked iPhones like they had prior).


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[mogz]

I think that is the goal: to be able to undo the unlock as if it never happened. If they succeed then, yes, I think you should be able to get it back to a fully-functional 1.1.1 (stock) iPhone.

However, I believe they might actually be closer to a 1.1.1 unlock. This means you'd have a 1.1.1 iPhone that is unlocked (but no 3rd party apps). If this happens you might find that an unlocked iPhone will fetch more money than a locked one (hard to tell though--after the 1.1.1 disaster people might not be willing to pay for unlocked iPhones like they had prior).


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I see.. well right now all we gotta do is wait. :)

[adseguy]

When I attempted to install 7.3.2, it told me I already have a later version installed and it could not complete the install (I have 7.4.3.1 installed). So, I am assuming that I first need to uninstall 7.4.3.1, right? My question is then, if I uninstall this, will I know lose my backup sync?

Or you could just do a quick sync when you have the 7.3.2 installed, then do all the restoring and such after.

Good find. I'm tempted to go to 1.1.1, but I think I'll just wait for a full restore including baseband is available. I wish I could help out on this stuff, but I have a full time life aside from a full time job:frown:. (not making fun, just saying I don't have time)

[Tinman]

I see.. well right now all we gotta do is wait. :)
Yep. But in the meantime I hope you went back to 1.0.2 so that at least you can use your iPhone like a Touch.


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[mogz]

Yep. But in the meantime I hope you went back to 1.0.2 so that at least you can use your iPhone like a Touch.


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Mike

Yeah i was partially happy when I saw that it can be downgraded.. tried it as soon as I got home and voila i got the ipod part back at least...

[Shotta876]

If I uninstall iTunes, will my modified song titles and what not disappear when I re-install? For example, when I re-install, will all of my song files and whatnot just reappear without having to put them back into iTunes?

For example, I edited a lot of my iTunes song titles in iTunes opposed to the actual file, and I don't want to have to re-do that.

[Maui Dave]

Tried the downgrade, but iTunes won't launch, I get an error at "iTunes won't launch because the iTunes library was created with a newer version of iTunes. any solutions?

[dito]

4. Use AppTap Installer you will be back to normal with EDGE and Wi-Fi support.


sorry, newbie here...
but what is AppTap ???

[ahduke99]

yeah, i am afriad that will happen to me too ... i'm also wondering if there will be any 3rd party app development worth using. i assume most of the efforts will go into jailbreaking 1.1.1...

[Tinman]

yeah, i am afriad that will happen to me too ... i'm also wondering if there will be any 3rd party app development worth using. i assume most of the efforts will go into jailbreaking 1.1.1...
That's more of a different kind of work than application development. Getting jailbreak to work is essentially hacking whereas 3rd party apps are just application development. Moreover, jailbreaking could take a while from everything I have read.

New app development is still going on, even after the 1.1.1 update.

As for downgrading iTunes, if you have access to another PC, or a virtual machine that supports USB, I would use the other machine--maybe you could find a friend or relatives to use (without iTunes on it). You are only using it to downgrade the iPhone. Once that is done you can uninstall iTunes from that machine.

I probably wouldn't want to rebuild my library if it meant... oh who am I kidding, if I couldn't get downgrading to work any other way I'd do whatever it took. :2cool:




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[Tinman]

sorry, newbie here...
but what is AppTap ???

AppTapp Installer is the one-button application to get the iPhone ready for third party apps. It also will place an app on your iPhone called Installer, with which you can install many more mods and apps for your iPhone.

You can download AppTapp here:
http://iphone.nullriver.com/beta/


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[ahduke99]

That's more of a different kind of work than application development. Getting jailbreak to work is essentially hacking whereas 3rd party apps are just application development. Moreover, jailbreaking could take a while from everything I have read.

New app development is still going on, even after the 1.1.1 update.

As for downgrading iTunes, if you have access to another PC, or a virtual machine that supports USB, I would use the other machine--maybe you could find a friend or relatives to use (without iTunes on it). You are only using it to downgrade the iPhone. Once that is done you can uninstall iTunes from that machine.

I probably wouldn't want to rebuild my library if it meant... oh who am I kidding, if I couldn't get downgrading to work any other way I'd do whatever it took. :2cool:




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i have a bootcamp partition i can use, but after i restore, will i be able to use my backup from my mac on the PC? i want to retain my text messages and notes.

[Tinman]

i have a bootcamp partition i can use, but after i restore, will i be able to use my backup from my mac on the PC? i want to retain my text messages and notes.

Quite likely, no. But there is a risk--though a slim one--of that occurring with any restore, based on what I have read and seen (happened to me during one of the updates).



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[Velodog2]

Ah, getting the iTunes downgrade error. That's likely enough disincentive to keep me from moving forward for now.

[Tinman]

Ah, getting the iTunes downgrade error. That's likely enough disincentive to keep me from moving forward for now.

You can still use the latest version of iTunes (7.4.3.1), it just requires a little extra effort. The method to use that version is as follows:

1.) First, download the iPhone1,1_1.0.2_1C28_Restore.ipsw:
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-3823.20070821.vormd/iPhone1,1_1.0.2_1C28_Restore.ipsw

2.) Then connect iPhone to dock, and hold down home button and power button for about 10 seconds or until the screen goes black. (Crucial step!)

3.) Now release the power button but continue holding the home button. After about 10 seconds the computer will detect the iPhone in restore mode, and iTunes should tell that the phone needs to be restored.

4.) Hold down SHIFT key (Windows) or Option/ALT-key (Mac) when clicking the Restore button, and select the file you downloaded in step 1.

5.) Let the restore complete and ignore the error at the end. (Should be error 1013).

6.) Now your phone should show the "Connect to iTunes" screen with the yellow triangle.

7.) Run AppTap to jailbreak your phone - it will restore it to a working 1.0.2 firmware it even though you will get an error at the end. Just dismiss the error and quit the installer.

8.) Run AppTap again to actually install the installer.app. It should successfully complete. Keep rerunning AppTap if it doesn't work the first time - it may take a few tries.



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[ahduke99]

Ok...I may hold off then on that. I done want to lose everything I have on here. I'd love to use my third party apps again, but I don't know how badly. Hopefully 1.1.1 will be hacked or jailbroken before too long. Either that, or one of these class action law suits will go through and force apple to allow that. I don't think legally they have to though.

[dito]

i tried method C and I got the error message about newer itunes version /library thing also. tried method B AND IT WORKED!!! THANKS!!!:laugh2::smile:

[Tinman]

i tried method C and I got the error message about newer itunes version /library thing also. tried method B AND IT WORKED!!! THANKS!!!:laugh2::smile:
Woo hoo, glad this thread helped someone at least!


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[jdelco]

Tinman your posts have really helped me a ton over these past few days.

Heres my scoop: Got my phone FINALLY unlocked and working (upgraded from 1.1.1. to 1.0.2.) Got everything but the phone part to work.

I do not plan on using this on AT&T so i need to unlock for the SIM

ive been running anySIM with no luck. I know ive read that we still need an update for the baseband?

Does anyone have any estimate if this is going to be possible in the future soon?

Once again thanks to everyone for taking the time to share you knowledge to a noob like me

[iamtko]

EASIEST way to downgrade.

go to the apple store with your iphone and a phony problem like "it just RANDOMLY turns off" or just get creative and make up your own.

get the "genius" to give you a new phone, and VIOLA! you have a new iPhone with no 1.1.1 update :)

[ahduke99]

huh. my iphone wont even connect to 7.3.2 in windows. it tells me it requires 7.4 or later, thus it wont even show up so i can attempt to restore it. anyone else have this problem?

[ahduke99]

and for the record, i was upgrading from 7.2.9 .. so i never had 7.4 on windows before.

all i can think of is its because i am running it in vmware and it somehow knows i have 7.4.3 on my mac. i'll try reinstalling itunes after i uninstall it.

[ahduke99]

i cant even get mine to restore in recovery mode to 1.0.2

[Tinman]

i cant even get mine to restore in recovery mode to 1.0.2
OK, it sounds like you are not quite getting that step right.

If you get it incorrect, iTunes will throw up a message very quickly (error #1 I believe).

But when you get it correctly, iTunes will take about 5-10 minutes to update, and then give an error (this time error 1013). When you get to this error, you know you have made it past the hump!

So again, it's very important to get the step where you have to first hold down both buttons, and then only Menu, correct. Letting go of Sleep while continuing to hold Menu--at the right time--is critical.

If you are stuck in restore mode just restore to 1.1.1 again and you can easily start the downgrade from step 1 again.

You can do it!



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[Swagger]

OK, it sounds like you are not quite getting that step right.

If you get it incorrect, iTunes will throw up a message very quickly (error #1 I believe).

But when you get it correctly, iTunes will take about 5-10 minutes to update, and then give an error (this time error 1013). When you get to this error, you know you have made it past the hump!

So again, it's very important to get the step where you have to first hold down both buttons, and then only Menu, correct. Letting go of Sleep while continuing to hold Menu--at the right time--is critical.

If you are stuck in restore mode just restore to 1.1.1 again and you can easily start the downgrade from step 1 again.

You can do it!



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I got to that part then ran AppTapp several times but the iPhone stays stuck on the yellow triangle saying I need to connect to iTunes, any idea what I am doing wrong????

[jpm]

Guys (And Gals) having problems with downgrading itunes and getting the invalid library problem; I posted the fix for this a couple weeks ago.

http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/itunes/itunes-7-4-a-10853.html

[Swagger]

Ok while I was stuck on the yellow triangle, (connect to iTunes) after several times running AppTapp but no Activation Screen. I decided to keep the iPhone hooked up and redownload Apptapp (didn't uninstall the version already on my computer) and run the fresh version. Worked like a charm!!! To sum it up, if you get stuck a the yellow triangle (connect to iTunes) keep the iPhone hooked up and download and run a fresh version of AppTapp..I hope this helps anyone that can only get as far as the yellow triangle...M

[ahduke99]

OK, it sounds like you are not quite getting that step right.

If you get it incorrect, iTunes will throw up a message very quickly (error #1 I believe).

But when you get it correctly, iTunes will take about 5-10 minutes to update, and then give an error (this time error 1013). When you get to this error, you know you have made it past the hump!

So again, it's very important to get the step where you have to first hold down both buttons, and then only Menu, correct. Letting go of Sleep while continuing to hold Menu--at the right time--is critical.

If you are stuck in restore mode just restore to 1.1.1 again and you can easily start the downgrade from step 1 again.

You can do it!



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wow, thank you! it seems to be restoring now.

[ahduke99]

seems as if i can no longer use my virtual voicemail now that i've downgraded. ive reset a few times and nothing...

[ahduke99]

ah well .. i'm going back to 1.1.1 ... i am thinking soon apple will release an official SDK and allow 3rd party apps on the iphone. too many issues going on since i went back to 1.0.2

[Tinman]

seems as if i can no longer use my virtual voicemail now that i've downgraded. ive reset a few times and nothing...
After restoring I usually get a pop-up asking for my VM password. Did you not get that prompt?

If so it shoud be a matter of getting the password set. I think this has happened a few times over the last month to a few people--just one of those things that can happen after a restore. IIRC, another fix was to check the messages either from a land line or by holding down "1" while on the dialpad.\


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[Tinman]

ah well .. i'm going back to 1.1.1 ... i am thinking soon apple will release an official SDK and allow 3rd party apps on the iphone. too many issues going on since i went back to 1.0.2
OK. You were very close to succeeding though!

Personally, don't think we will see an SDK for a very long time. And when and if we do I would imagine it will be very neutered.


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[rmedina8804]

This WORKS! i did this method yesterday at 5 in the morning.. took about 30 mins to finish.
at first i was scared of the idea because of the risk of losing all my contacts and important notes that were synced to the newer itunes... so i thought id try using two different computers. i used my old pc to install 7.3.2 and did the system restore. youll get an error message at the end but just run apptapp and it will finish it up. after it successfully downgraded to 1.0.2 i hooked it up to my macbook and synced my iphone and was able to get all my contacts and media files back without any problems.. after days of stress without aim and all the other apps i finally can rest at night... haha..

[vinzclortho]

Okay, so this is my first post. I got my phone on 9/22. I now know that I was fortunate to have gotten a phone with the 1.0.2. firmware. I found iBrickr, used it, liked it alot. Being a complete newb, I updated the day 1.1.1. came out, simply because I saw there was one available. It didn't even cross my mind not to do so. (I also figured "why not?" because I had to do a restore anyway - I had an appointment at the store because of the issue I have with YouTube on my home's WiFi, and I didn't want to walk in with Summerboard and a bunch of sweet apps).

I just realized that background story was pointless to type, but oh well...my question is, would I be able to just use iBrickr at the point in the downgrade where you would be using AppTap?


Another question - If I have to use AppTap during the downgrade, would I be able to use iBrickr later?


Last question - I'm on AT&T, is there anything specific I would have to do for re-activing or resetting my phone? (I ask because I saw on both Method A and B it had that part bolded - I don't wanna be charged for my 'free services!')

Thanks in advance, I have been reading thoroughly trying to get the answers myself.

[vinzclortho]

EASIEST way to downgrade.

go to the apple store with your iphone and a phony problem like "it just RANDOMLY turns off" or just get creative and make up your own.

get the "genius" to give you a new phone, and VIOLA! you have a new iPhone with no 1.1.1 update :)

Are you 100% on that? Wouldn't they just have phones with the 1.1.1. already on it? If this is true, I'd seriously consider trying this!

[Ramesh]

alright, I've tried the whole holding down the power button and home thing, but it just doesn't work. My phone just stays off. iTunes won't recognize it, not matter what I do. Any ideas?

BTW - has anyone tried using option/shift and clicking on "check for updates"? It appears to let you browse for a file. I haven't tried to see if it'll let me install 1.0.2 yet though...

[Tinman]

alright, I've tried the whole holding down the power button and home thing, but it just doesn't work. My phone just stays off. iTunes won't recognize it, not matter what I do. Any ideas?

BTW - has anyone tried using option/shift and clicking on "check for updates"? It appears to let you browse for a file. I haven't tried to see if it'll let me install 1.0.2 yet though...
Using that to browse for update files is part of all of the methods to downgrade 1.1.1.

But just selecting the 1.0.2 update file is not enough. You need to either use Method's A or B for iTunes 7.4.3.1--which require precise button presses, at the right time--or Method C, which is documented in the first post of this thread. Method C does not require holding down buttons, but does require iTunes 7.3.1. Probably best to try Method C on a separate computer than your everyday iTunes computer (as rmedina8804 did).


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[Ramesh]

Using that to browse for update files is part of all of the methods to downgrade 1.1.1.

But just selecting the 1.0.2 update file is not enough. You need to either use Method's A or B for iTunes 7.4.3.1--which require precise button presses, at the right time--or Method C, which is documented in the first post of this thread. Method C does not require holding down buttons, but does require iTunes 7.3.1. Probably best to try Method C on a separate computer than your everyday iTunes computer (as rmedina8804 did).


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I guess that's what I'll have to do. I'll have to use my MB since my library is on my iMac. I didn't really want to risk my music....alrighty, I'll post back afterwards.

Thanks, Mike.

-Ramesh

[Tinman]

Okay, so this is my first post. I got my phone on 9/22. I now know that I was fortunate to have gotten a phone with the 1.0.2. firmware. I found iBrickr, used it, liked it alot. Being a complete newb, I updated the day 1.1.1. came out, simply because I saw there was one available. It didn't even cross my mind not to do so. (I also figured "why not?" because I had to do a restore anyway - I had an appointment at the store because of the issue I have with YouTube on my home's WiFi, and I didn't want to walk in with Summerboard and a bunch of sweet apps).

I just realized that background story was pointless to type, but oh well...my question is, would I be able to just use iBrickr at the point in the downgrade where you would be using AppTap?


Another question - If I have to use AppTap during the downgrade, would I be able to use iBrickr later?


Last question - I'm on AT&T, is there anything specific I would have to do for re-activing or resetting my phone? (I ask because I saw on both Method A and B it had that part bolded - I don't wanna be charged for my 'free services!')

Thanks in advance, I have been reading thoroughly trying to get the answers myself.
Regarding the background story, don't sweat it. You won't hear "So why the heck did you foolishly update?!" from me.

As for iBrickr, it is likely that it can be used, but why push it... AppTapp is an easy download, and do. And, yes, if you use AppTapp you can most definitely still use iBrickr afterwards.

As for reactivating AT&T, I just let it happen on its own (while connected to iTunes). No problem with that. I did reset my iPhone afterwards, just to be safe (reset: power off then back on).



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[Ramesh]

Ok, now here's my problem. iTunes said it won't recognize my phone b/c it requires 7.4 or later. How do I get around that?

On a mac btw...

[Tinman]

Ok, now here's my problem. iTunes said it won't recognize my phone b/c it requires 7.4 or later. How do I get around that?

On a mac btw...
I'm not sure, regarding the Mac.

The instructions say it should work for both. I might have typed 7.3.1 a time or two in this thread though, when it should have been 7.3.2.

Regardless, you should be able to use one of the methods to get this to work. You might have to get the button dance down pat.

I don't mean to sound at all condescending, but a lot depends on your determination. Better to start out thinking "I will do this" rather than "I hope this works." I have no doubt that if I had your iPhone I'd have it restored within an hour. Again, this is NOT meant to be condescending, merely to spur you on. OTOH, if you are not fully convinced that you want to do this, by all means back away... I don't want to sound like I am pushing anyone to do it either. Only reason I am helping out is because I was totally bummed after losing my apps and mods to 1.1.1.

Good luck!


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[Ramesh]

I'm not sure, regarding the Mac.

The instructions say it should work for both. I might have typed 7.3.1 a time or two in this thread though, when it should have been 7.3.2.

Regardless, you should be able to use one of the methods to get this to work. You might have to get the button dance down pat.

I don't mean to sound at all condescending, but a lot depends on your determination. Better to start out thinking "I will do this" rather than "I hope this works." I have no doubt that if I had your iPhone I'd have it restored within an hour. Again, this is NOT meant to be condescending, merely to spur you on. OTOH, if you are not fully convinced that you want to do this, by all means back away... I don't want to sound like I am pushing anyone to do it either. Only reason I am helping out is because I was totally bummed after losing my apps and mods to 1.1.1.

Good luck!


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believe me, I am determined. I sound more "newb" than I am. I've tried everything on my mac, and now I've even busted out a PC. On the PC, I get the same error. I DLD'd 7.3.2.6 from the site you listed, and I'm still getting that I need 7.4 or later. Any ideas on that? If not, any specific tips on the hold button holding thing? I do that and my phone just looks like it's off, and itunes doesn't recognize it...

[ahduke99]

OK. You were very close to succeeding though!

Personally, don't think we will see an SDK for a very long time. And when and if we do I would imagine it will be very neutered.


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we may not, but someone did get an email reply from steve jobs on macrumors saying "we like 3rd party apps too. we are looking for a secure way to implement them."

and as for visual voicemail, whenever i hit voicemail it would just dial my number rather than showing me my password screen. the interface was missing completely. resetting it over and over never worked. i did get everythng else working, though. the bit about the "free services may not work" part scared me .. and i thought since Visual VM wasnt working, then my entire plan was screwed up.

i may try it again in the future if for some reason a killer 3rd party app gets released, but i have a feeling the development will slow after the 1.1.1 patch with many people upgrading and not taking the time to downgrade. i am confident that eventually it'll be cracked or apple will cave in to mounting pressure my users. (see $100 credit)

of course, they may not, but 1.1.1 has features that makes life a little easier. if i had never upgraded, i would've been fine, but downgrading is a set back. i do miss mobilechat, the games, and such, but as long as 1.1.1 is uncracked, i dont expect development to move along as smoothly.

[Tinman]

believe me, I am determined. I sound more "newb" than I am. I've tried everything on my mac, and now I've even busted out a PC. On the PC, I get the same error. I DLD'd 7.3.2.6 from the site you listed, and I'm still getting that I need 7.4 or later. Any ideas on that? If not, any specific tips on the hold button holding thing? I do that and my phone just looks like it's off, and itunes doesn't recognize it...
OK, cool. I'm confused that iTunes 7.3.2 didn't work for you yet worked for rmedina8804, but no need to dwell on that when there is a Plan B.

I suggest trying to do the button presses again, as instructed, till it works. It's crucial to follow the directions, as releasing the Sleep button at the right time, whilst still holding down Menu is the pivotal step. IIRC it took me 2 or 3 tries to get it to work. I didn't get the black screen, but when I tried to load the 1.0.2 firmware iTunes didn't even try--and immediatly errored out with Error 1.

When you get it right, iTunes will take a good 5+ minutes to do the restore, and will end in error 1013. When this happens you are almost there.

If you still have trouble with the button presses, try this, copied from Nate True's blog:
=====================================
Try to sit under a good light source. You need to see the screen clearly when it's not backlit.
- Make sure the phone is on and running normally (if activated, at the Home screen, if not, just at the "Activate iphone" screen). The phone must also be docked or plugged in to your USB cable.

- Press and hold the Power and Home buttons on the phone until the screen shuts off.

- Release the Power button immediately. Keep pressing the Home button.

- You should see a number of horizontal lines invade the now-off screen, and it will be slightly disturbing. If you just see just flat blackness turn your phone back on and try again.

- Your computer will recognize an "Apple Restore (DFU) Device". Open iTunes and it will complain about needing to restore.

- Hold Shift if on Windows, or Option/Alt if on Mac, and click Restore in iTunes. Select the 1.0.2 firmware file you downloaded.
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This might work better than counting to 10.


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Mike

[Ramesh]

OK, cool. I'm confused that iTunes 7.3.2 didn't work for you yet worked for rmedina8804, but no need to dwell on that when there is a Plan B.

I suggest trying to do the button presses again, as instructed, till it works. It's crucial to follow the directions, as releasing the Sleep button at the right time, whilst still holding down Menu is the pivotal step. IIRC it took me 2 or 3 tries to get it to work. I didn't get the black screen, but when I tried to load the 1.0.2 firmware iTunes didn't even try--and immediatly errored out with Error 1.

When you get it right, iTunes will take a good 5+ minutes to do the restore, and will end in error 1013. When this happens you are almost there.

If you still have trouble with the button presses, try this, copied from Nate True's blog:
=====================================
Try to sit under a good light source. You need to see the screen clearly when it's not backlit.
- Make sure the phone is on and running normally (if activated, at the Home screen, if not, just at the "Activate iphone" screen). The phone must also be docked or plugged in to your USB cable.

- Press and hold the Power and Home buttons on the phone until the screen shuts off.

- Release the Power button immediately. Keep pressing the Home button.

- You should see a number of horizontal lines invade the now-off screen, and it will be slightly disturbing. If you just see just flat blackness turn your phone back on and try again.

- Your computer will recognize an "Apple Restore (DFU) Device". Open iTunes and it will complain about needing to restore.

- Hold Shift if on Windows, or Option/Alt if on Mac, and click Restore in iTunes. Select the 1.0.2 firmware file you downloaded.
=====================================

This might work better than counting to 10.


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Mike

Right before your post, I got the timing right. Now let's see how it goes from there...

BTW-thanks. I think you are one of the few RELIABLE people on this board.

EDIT - Also, am I going to need some sort of "activator" using method B?

EDIT EDIT - One more thing - "reset" my phone? What is that? Power down, power on?

[Ramesh]

I'm in business! Looks like everything is working... Still curious about that "resetting" sentence though...

[Tinman]

I'm in business! Looks like everything is working... Still curious about that "resetting" sentence though...
Excellent!

Resetting just means power it off then back on. I'm pretty sure that is just to be safe, as someone said he was being charged for data till he turned his phone off and on. While I expect that was an isolated incident I reset my phone anyway (it's not a big deal). To be clear: just hold the sleep button down till the "slide to power off" message appears. Power it off, wait a few seconds, then power it back on.



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Mike

[ahduke99]

I'm in business! Looks like everything is working... Still curious about that "resetting" sentence though...

does your visual voicemail work? i used method B to restore mine last night, and visual voicemail didnt work as it just dialed my number when i tapped voicemail.

am i the only one that had that issue?

[Swagger]

I stayed up all night trying to figure out how to use the current version of iTunes in the downgrade using Method A. I found that downloading and running a fresh version of AppTapp, while iPhone is still connected and at the yellow triangle (connect to iTunes) works with the current version of iTunes. There is no need to install an earlier version of iTunes. Make sure to run the fresh version of AppTapp twice, after the error message, on the second install of Apptapp, iPhone will then go to the activation screen, open iTunes, let it activate iPhone and you are ready to roll. This works, trust me!!! M

[ahduke99]

I stayed up all night trying to figure out how to use the current version of iTunes in the downgrade using Method A. I found that downloading and running a fresh version of AppTapp, while iPhone is still connected and at the yellow triangle (connect to iTunes) works with the current version of iTunes. There is no need to install an earlier version of iTunes. Make sure to run the fresh version of AppTapp twice, after the error message, on the second install of Apptapp, iPhone will then go to the activation screen, open iTunes, let it activate iPhone and you are ready to roll. This works, trust me!!! M

does your visual voicemail work? or does it automatically dial your VM box over the phone?

[Tinman]

I stayed up all night trying to figure out how to use the current version of iTunes in the downgrade using Method A. I found that downloading and running a fresh version of AppTapp, while iPhone is still connected and at the yellow triangle (connect to iTunes) works with the current version of iTunes. There is no need to install an earlier version of iTunes. Make sure to run the fresh version of AppTapp twice, after the error message, on the second install of Apptapp, iPhone will then go to the activation screen, open iTunes, let it activate iPhone and you are ready to roll. This works, trust me!!! M

Did you apply the update recently? I thought you managed to stay away from it. Or perhaps did you do it just to get the updated baseband, knowing you would take the firmware back to 1.0.2?



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Mike

[Ramesh]

does your visual voicemail work? i used method B to restore mine last night, and visual voicemail didnt work as it just dialed my number when i tapped voicemail.

am i the only one that had that issue?

Everything works for me. :)

[ahduke99]

Everything works for me. :)

hmmm .. i dunno why mine didnt after i downgraded ..

[Swagger]

Did you apply the update recently? I thought you managed to stay away from it. Or perhaps did you do it just to get the updated baseband, knowing you would take the firmware back to 1.0.2?



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Mike

Tinman,
You are correct, I did decide to update for the baseband upgrade. I also wanted to get rid of iBrickr. AppTapp and iBrickr did not coexist well. I chose AppTapp due to all the untrusted sources on iBrickr. To the guy that asked if my visual voicemail is working, YES everything is working. I did get the password request, as Tinman mentioned...M

[Ramesh]

hmmm .. i dunno why mine didnt after i downgraded ..

I dunno. It was a pain for me. Perhaps my timing "skill" sucks. But, I followed the instruction for plan b, and everything seems to be in working order.. But it took a while.

[ahduke99]

I dunno. It was a pain for me. Perhaps my timing "skill" sucks. But, I followed the instruction for plan b, and everything seems to be in working order.. But it took a while.

as it did for me .. i had to run apptap a couple of times as it kept hanging on me and i had to force quit. everything seemed in working order except for visual voicemail. i can always go back and try it again, as restoring to 1.1.1 is not hard at all, and it works with my backup file.

[SpongebObiWan]

NICE to have 2PA's back :laugh2: <--(happy camper)

EDIT--ermm, I meant 3PA's

[bizzy045]

i am an att customer that unlocked and modded my phone w/ 1.0.2. Then 1.1.1. came out, and i wanted to check out the new features, and all of the apple threats were getting to me. so what i did was buy a new iphone, and sell my 3 month old used unlocked one with the accessories that came with the new one. I advertised it as used but in near mint condition (as it was in almost perfect condition) and got $530 for it on ebay. You can get a lot of money for unlocked iphones...

Not only did i get a new iPhone (locked with 1.1.1), but I also made a $100...not a bad trade if u ask me...

[jbarrack]

You guys are all amazing ... worked like a charm ... Tinman thank you thank you thank you for starting this thread!

[loOps]

Saw this over at fiveforty:
http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgrade_from_1.1.1_to_1.0.2

Method B is roughly what I used, but they have now added Method C, which appears to not require the button dance routine:

1. Install iTunes 7.3.2, which you can download from the links below.

2. Download the 1.0.2 iPhone restore file if you don't have it already.

3. Shift + Click Restore (Windows) or Option + Click Restore (Mac), then point to the file below (use .dmg file in download file).

4. Use AppTap Installer you will be back to normal with EDGE and Wi-Fi support.

Perhaps this will help those who are having trouble with the other methods?

Once again this gives 100% functionality to locked AT&T phones on 1.1.1, or those unlocked but have a "valid AT&T SIM and have used an unlock other than the free SIM unlock."

In case I need to do it again, and have trouble with the other methods, I downloaded iTunes 7.3.2 before Apple yanks it.



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Mike
Ok I downgraded did everything

from restoring, activating, jailbreaking, using iTune 7.4 newest version I might try the older one.

installing all the original installers, community source odd thing was it was 2.6. BSD Subsystems, Open SSH

now I did everything for AnySim I know the old method, and when I go to Unlock takes a few minutes then a screen pops up and says "the firmware on this iphone is already patched"

Any suggestions please let me know!

[vinzclortho]

I ran into the same error message with Method C (saying that the phone requires 7.4 or newer). I tried it on my room mate's machine that didn't have any copy of iTunes to begin with.

I've been trying to do Method B, but I must keep getting the timing wrong. I let go of the power button RIGHT as the phone shuts off, still pressing the home button and waiting. I must've tried 10-15 times by now, and it still will not work.

At first I thought it might be because I had it docked with iTunes open, so I started doing it docked, no iTunes open. I've taken the advice on NateTrue's blog and still nothing. I just find it hard to believe that it's my timing because I always release the power button EXACTLY when I am supposed to...

any thoughts?

[vinzclortho]

i am an att customer that unlocked and modded my phone w/ 1.0.2. Then 1.1.1. came out, and i wanted to check out the new features, and all of the apple threats were getting to me. so what i did was buy a new iphone, and sell my 3 month old used unlocked one with the accessories that came with the new one. I advertised it as used but in near mint condition (as it was in almost perfect condition) and got $530 for it on ebay. You can get a lot of money for unlocked iphones...

Not only did i get a new iPhone (locked with 1.1.1), but I also made a $100...not a bad trade if u ask me...

When did you do this? I have been considering trying to get a new phone and selling mine on ebay, but I don't want to waste my time if it will have the new firmware.

Also, I am an ATT customer as well and was wondering - when you (or anybody on here) say unlocked, does that just mean it's already been activated and used? Or does it mean you unlocked your phone to where it could work with any provider? Sorry for the newb-ness.

[Ldc4S]

Saw this over at fiveforty:
http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgrade_from_1.1.1_to_1.0.2

Method B is roughly what I used, but they have now added Method C, which appears to not require the button dance routine:

1. Install iTunes 7.3.2, which you can download from the links below.

2. Download the 1.0.2 iPhone restore file if you don't have it already.

3. Shift + Click Restore (Windows) or Option + Click Restore (Mac), then point to the file below (use .dmg file in download file).

4. Use AppTap Installer you will be back to normal with EDGE and Wi-Fi support.

Perhaps this will help those who are having trouble with the other methods?

Once again this gives 100% functionality to locked AT&T phones on 1.1.1, or those unlocked but have a "valid AT&T SIM and have used an unlock other than the free SIM unlock."

In case I need to do it again, and have trouble with the other methods, I downloaded iTunes 7.3.2 before Apple yanks it.Mike

What do you exactly do when you get to part 4 with apptapp?

[daniel13]

hi, tinman. Not sure what happened to my iPhone, not able to connect to network, wi-fi. i followed method c (this allow me to restore back to original 1.0.2 without unlock?). I have managed to complete step 3, but what i see on iphone is,

"Activate iPhone
connect to iTunes
Incorrect SIM
Insert an unlocked and valid SIM to activate iPhone"

What should i do next?

How do i find step 4 "Use AppTap Installer'?


4. Use AppTap Installer you will be back to normal with EDGE and Wi-Fi support.

fyi, i am in Singapore using Singtel SIM card.

I have tried many method, and always stucked with the message above.

Kindly help. Thanks.

[daniel13]

tinman, i know what is apptap. but i need to get thru the the message first.

help. help.

[daniel13]

ANYONE, PLEASE HELP.

"Activate iPhone
connect to iTunes
Incorrect SIM
Insert an unlocked and valid SIM to activate iPhone"

[daniel13]

i'm a happy man. i have resolved my problem. with the help of http://www.hacktheiphone.com/73/iphone_using_cingular_for_windows.html

1 little problem though. the iphone not able to connect to itunes because the IMEI has changed.

anyone knows how i can change the IMEI?