Shut up Already!

[iphonecrazyy]

I literally can not stand all these people complaining about the update, the update was huge and full of features. I mean look:


iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites of music controls
Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
Stocks and cities in Stocks and Waether can be re-ordered
Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
Support for TV Out
Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
New Passcode lock time intervals
Adjustable alert volumeNot to mention that with most electronic products you have to bite the bullet to hack it. If you really want a hacked phone then don't update. For those of you who already did, well that is just idiotic. People have been warning for a while not to update right away.

Also just because the feature YOU wanted was not implemented, does not mean the rest of iPhone users wanted it.

Yes the iPhone is expensive, but it was your choice to spend that much money on it, and you bought it knowing the features. Buying a product in hope of other features is not smart.

Just like all of you there are features that I would personally like to see, and just like all of you I wish the update did not prevent third party apps and unlocking. However this doesent mean we should lash out at Apple, they really have done nothing wrong here. They just improved the iPhone and nearly all of the posts I see are complaints! Be thankful, and I wouldnt doubt it if the new firmware gets hacked anyways.

And by the way I'm far from an Apple loyalist, I'm currently typing this on a PC :laugh2:

[Tinman]

"The update was huge?" Bwaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Please, yer killing me...

If I could get rid of this POS 1.1.1 update and go back to 1.0.2 and all of my mods and apps I would do it in a heartbeat.

My mistake was believing the ^%#$* who carelessly posted that AppTapp still worked after the update. My mistake was foolishly thinking Apple really wouldn't go as far as locking down the iPhone like the iPod touch.



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[hexonxonx]

Thanks for the nice post. The first two updates were needed to stabilize the software and now this update shows that Apple is now moving on to the features. Next month, we should see even better things.

[iphonecrazyy]

"The update was huge?" Bwaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Please, yer killing me...

If I could get rid of this POS 1.1.1 update and go back to 1.0.2 and all of my mods and apps I would do it in a heartbeat.

My mistake was believing the ^%#$* who carelessly posted that AppTapp still worked after the update. My mistake was foolishly thinking Apple really wouldn't go as far as locking down the iPhone like the iPod touch.



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Looks like you made a couple mistakes, but where were apples mistakes?

All they did was protect their product (as we see in nearly all electronic manufacturers) , and improve their product.

This firmware IS an improvement, no arguing that. Third party application functionality is not a determinate in a successful firmware. Not to mention that it was very obvious third party apps werent going to work (at least in my mind)

Not to mention the biggest factor of all, NO ONE FORCED YOU GUYS TO UPDATE!

Next time if you all exercise some patience you wouldn't be in this jam. Lucky for you all though, the hackers will must likely hack it again.

But really, nothing personal to anyone, but if you look at the big picture, Apple did nothing wrong, all they did was improve the iPhone firmware, just wish people could see that.

And Mike I totally understand the frustration, but it doesn't make the update a pos.

[iphonecrazyy]

Thanks for the nice post. The first two updates were needed to stabilize the software and now this update shows that Apple is now moving on to the features. Next month, we should see even better things.

Good to see a fellow optimist! These forums are definitely running low on them, I sure hope we see a nice set of features next month, that would be great.

[Tinman]

Looks like you made a couple mistakes, but where were apples mistakes?

All they did was protect their product (as we see in nearly all electronic manufacturers) , and improve their product.

This firmware IS an improvement, no arguing that. Third party application functionality is not a determinate in a successful firmware. Not to mention that it was very obvious third party apps werent going to work (at least in my mind)

Not to mention the biggest factor of all, NO ONE FORCED YOU GUYS TO UPDATE!

Next time if you all exercise some patience you wouldn't be in this jam. Lucky for you all though, the hackers will must likely hack it again.

But really, nothing personal to anyone, but if you look at the big picture, Apple did nothing wrong, all they did was improve the iPhone firmware, just wish people could see that.

And Mike I totally understand the frustration, but it doesn't make the update a pos.
I greatly appreciate your empathy, I really do.

But there are now (many) reports that this update is bricking non-modded, non-unlocked iPhones, or at least making them unusable with AT&T.

This is going to hurt Apple more than it helps. Mark my words.


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[iphonecrazyy]

I doubt it's that wide spread of an issue, and I would assume restarting the phone in restore mode would work, that is in fact the whole point of it.

I guess we will have to wait and see the details on that.

[Tinman]

I doubt it's that wide spread of an issue, and I would assume restarting the phone in restore mode would work, that is in fact the whole point of it.
Restoring doesn't help at all; the phones report invalid SIMs and simply will not work with AT&T.

Moreover, many news reports related to the 1.1.1 update are centered around the fact that it breaks not only unlocked phones, but all of the third-party development to date. I expect this to gather more steam as time goes by.

iPhone firmware 1.1.1 released; breaks everything (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=46fcd5be4263be92&ei=hsf8RveZMIrWqQPtuPWgAQ&url=http%3A//blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/%3Fp%3D898&cid=1121285805)
ZDNet - 12 hours ago
Today Apple released iPhone Firmware version 1.1.1 via iTunes and it appears to be pretty nasty toward unlocked and otherwise hacked iPhones.


Also, David Pogue, supporter of the iPhone since before day-one, just released a video dedicated to third-party apps on the iPhone. What timing:
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=60063a68a1418ed080c995b01a36efb853a11417


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Mike

[UnseenLlama]

Moreover, many news reports related to the 1.1.1 update are centered around the fact that it breaks not only unlocked phones, but all of the third-party development to date. I expect this to gather more steam as time goes by.

So you are upset that Apple updated their software which break applications that were not meant to be on the iPhone in the first place?

Am I missing something? How is this Apple's fault?

[T3Logic]

So you are upset that Apple updated their software which break applications that were not meant to be on the iPhone in the first place?

Am I missing something? How is this Apple's fault?

I personally do not think this is a big update. Honestly I will not be using any of the additional features that has been listed so I will not update.

[Paulshaqz]

apple claims to say that if you modded the iphone the later firmwear updates will not work i think as long as you take out the modds like app tapp and restore it back to factory settings i think it should be fine shouldent have a problom ?

but i do kinda miss the modds a lil bit :(

[UnseenLlama]

apple claims to say that if you modded the iphone the later firmwear updates will not work i think as long as you take out the modds like app tapp and restore it back to factory settings i think it should be fine shouldent have a problom ?

but i do kinda miss the modds a lil bit :(

That's correct. I never unlocked the phone, but did install 3rd party apps to try out. Knew the update was coming so I did a full restore to my phone to factory settings, then updated to 1.1.1. No problems.

[edmartin]

This is not a personal attack on anyone but I just don't understand the outrage over hacked iPhones, modded iPhones and/or 3rd-party iPhone apps not working after this update. And I'm not defending Apple but they have been CRYSTAL CLEAR that the iPhone is a locked device and that 3rd party apps are not supported. Period. So if you unlock it, hack it or add 3rd party apps, you (we) do so at your (our) own risk.

I'm not pure in this. I installed and really like AppTapp, for example. But I did it at my own peril. And, I made a decision earlier this week to do a restore and get rid of it and any of the apps I had installed with it in anticipation of a firmware update.

Mike, I hear you that there are reports that 1.1.1 is bricking some non-hacked iPhones. From what I'm reading, it's not all that widespread but I have seen some. 2 things, though. First, I take them with a grain of salt. I mean really, if you are posting such a thing in any of these types of forums, you have been exposed to all kinds of tantalizing mods and hacks; I think some claiming virginity just might - might - not be so pure. Second, there is some risk in applying any type of update and with north of a million iPhones out there, odds are that any given update will have a bad experience with a few devices. We've also seen the posts, no doubt, where the folks at the Genius Bar seem to be able to magically unbrick bricked iPhones.

To the people that unlocked, hacked, modded or installed 3rd party apps on the iPhone and are complaining about 1.1.1, please go buy an unlocked device that supports 3rd party apps - Blackberry, Palm and Microsoft Mobile have hundreds of devices out there. Good luck. But if you bought an iPhone, you bought an expensive device that clearly prohibits and restricts this stuff. Or, go hang out in a hard-core hacker forum for the iPhone - they exist.

[UnseenLlama]

To the people that unlocked, hacked, modded or installed 3rd party apps on the iPhone and are complaining about 1.1.1, please go buy an unlocked device that supports 3rd party apps - Blackberry, Palm and Microsoft Mobile have hundreds of devices out there.

Don't forget Nokia and S60 devices! If the iPhone didn't exist, I would not have sold my N95. :laugh2:

[NMprofessional]

To the people that unlocked, hacked, modded or installed 3rd party apps on the iPhone and are complaining about 1.1.1, please go buy an unlocked device that supports 3rd party apps - Blackberry, Palm and Microsoft Mobile have hundreds of devices out there. Good luck. But if you bought an iPhone, you bought an expensive device that clearly prohibits and restricts this stuff. Or, go hang out in a hard-core hacker forum for the iPhone - they exist.
I agree that Apple has the right to lock down their phone to one carrier, to not allow 3rd-party apps, and to confirm that their iPhone does three things "well": iPod (some features like getting to the end of the song with the slider crashed the iPod function all of the time), phone (with 8 hrs of battery life and everyone can hear me clearly A+) and a real web-browser (which crashes even with the most minor of Javascript or HTML bugs... i.e. the Developer Debug patch from 1.1.1).

But, Apple also touts the iPhone as running 3rd-party apps remotely from server "as if they are on your phone" using Safari as the tool to accomplish this. I have been to link farms such as AppMarks, Appleopolis, etc... and while there are some "cool" iPhone-web apps out there, has anyone seen a full blown web-app that works well? The only one I have heard about is TruPhone the VOIP web-app, which still is not out for release.


3rd-party apps aren't a big deal if Developers change their focus from InstallApp to real web-app that are Web 2.0, AJAX and work.

Yes. I come from a long line of phones that allow 3rd-party apps (Treo 300 to Treo 700p on Sprint). But none of the 3rd party apps "took down the network" as Jobs has said he does not want the 3rd party apps to do, if he allowed them on the iPhone.

Yes. We all bought the phone knowing on phone 3rd-party apps are not available, but where are the web-apps?

[edmartin]

Yes. We all bought the phone knowing on phone 3rd-party apps are not available, but where are the web-apps?

Here, here! Excellent point. I wish the effort of the hackers and moral outrage of people about "what's missing" could be channeled into energy in THAT direction!

[T3Logic]

Being a developer I can tell you that Web Apps will not be the giant that Jobs and others hope it will become.

Most of the developers are building apps as a hobby. They can get more bang for the buck so to speak if they build an native app rather than a web app for the iphone. Secondly businesses will not build apps specifically for the iphone because there is no return of investment so only a small minority of companies will ever build web apps.

[tharmsen]

The web-apps are a joke. They are, for the most part, useless to me and many others. Why? I don't always have access to the internet. In my office I get horrible phone service. That means no web-apps all day while at work. When I'm on the train going to and from work I get spotty service at best... on again, off again the whole trip. Again, web-apps are useless. When I'm flying for work I can't have my cell phone on the network and I'm wanting to use my phone for entertainment... and yet again the web-apps are useless.

They need to open the phone up to real applications.

As for the update, I really like it. Sure, it's not everything I was hoping for but I really dig the iTunes functionality. I also know that more updates are coming... I can't wait for the games.

[NMprofessional]

The web-apps are a joke. They are, for the most part, useless to me and many others. Why? I don't always have access to the internet.
In part, I do agree with you. But, as we can see with apps like Password Wallet (who offers a Mac Password program which creates a "data:" booklmarklet-like structure that can be used offline) we should start to see online and offline "integration".

If more wed-apps were created around: a per cost per year model to support developers, and apps that save data to the iPhone via cookies and "data:" models would allow connectivity when available and off-line content.

Companies are doing this, they are just slow to do so. And the money can be just as good for 3rd-party apps vs. web-apps. Any app that works and works well is worth the money. And I pay for both.

[Velodog2]

The update is pathetic.

The volume increase doesn't even work for over half the people (see poll on other thread). C'mon, this is just incompetence now.

Only thing I get on iTunes is free podcasts, which they (predictably I guess) seemed to exclude from the online version.

These things are not what people are crying for.

Just fix the damned bugs for chrissake!

I hadn't modded yet, but was planning to after this update. Oh well. God forbid anyone should be allowed to move faster with apps that Apple itself. C'mon software people, tell me what it was about this update that necessitated the change that quite effectively it seems disabled jailbreak? Does it seem intentional to you, eh? That's not the way it's being sold by Apple. "Oops, just accidental" to paraphrase.

It is very obvious to me and anyone paying attention that they have used most of the last three months, and clearly whatever passes for a good engineer there, trying to lock the damned phone down again. THAT was the what this upgrade got us.

If you want me to "Shut up already" then convince me of how each of those point is wrong.

[T3Logic]

The update is pathetic.

The volume increase doesn't even work for over half the people (see poll on other thread). C'mon, this is just incompetence now.

Only thing I get on iTunes is free podcasts, which they (predictably I guess) seemed to exclude from the online version.

These things are not what people are crying for.

Just fix the damned bugs for chrissake!

I hadn't modded yet, but was planning to after this update. Oh well. God forbid anyone should be allowed to move faster with apps that Apple itself. C'mon software people, tell me what it was about this update that necessitated the change that quite effectively it seems disabled jailbreak? Does it seem intentional to you, eh? That's not the way it's being sold by Apple. "Oops, just accidental" to paraphrase.

It is very obvious to me and anyone paying attention that they have used most of the last three months, and clearly whatever passes for a good engineer there, trying to lock the damned phone down again. THAT was the what this upgrade got us.

If you want me to "Shut up already" then convince me of how each of those point is wrong.

I agree with this somewhat.

I can understand apple wanting to keep users to ATT. That is what an exclusive contract is for. But disabling apps from being added to the phone is a little extreme.

Didn't microsoft get sued over not allowing 3rd party companies to integrate there products in to windows like ms own products. such as browser, windows media player, and other utilities.

[ciaran00]

I think the topic speaks for itself. I'm sure that dialog back and forth wasn't something OP had in mind.

Bottom line is, update is good enough for YOU. For some others, it sucks and it doesn't do enough. For a few others it's not worth it because we like our hacked and modded phones.

I think a difference of opinion is a universal thing, whether or not you're talking about iPhones, or apple juice, or whatever. Get used to it. And...

thanks for telling us to shut up, but no thanks.

[Swagger]

To the OP, who are you to tell people to shut up??? Everyone has different opinions about every situation. Some see the glass half full, while others see the glass half empty. Just because you wrote a long rambling praise about the update does not make your word the gospel!!! You don't even understand the whole situation anyway. Tinnman was so upset about losing his Apps because a few posters yesterday (who probably didn't update yet) swore that you could update, then reinstall Apps. I almost fell for it myself, but chose to wait for more feedback.

"My Opinion" is this. I should not have to make a choice between updating or losing my Apps. I paid Apple for my phone. I should be able to do as I wish with it. I (even though I don't agree with it) understand Apple preventing people from moving away from AT&T by unlocking. I do not understand why it is Apple's business if I want to change the boring stock home screen icons. Apple has alot of nerve killing third party Apps that have greatly enhanced this wonderful device known as the iPhone. Apple has offered nothing in the way of third party Apps. People become bored very quickly. Why do you think some new gadget comes out daily. The third party Apps was the best way of renewing intrest in the iPhone, Apple killed that and offered basically nothing in return!!!

Please in future post, just say what you have to say but don't tell others to shut up, that is very rude, plus defeats the purpose of the forum...M

[SpongebObiWan]

I was going to hold my tongue on this topic, but now I feel that I must make just one point. If I am not mistaken, the mission of this forum, is that it be a helpful tool to all owners/users of their iPhone. Nowhere do I read, nor interpret that as being a help to only those who have chosen not to mod or unlock their iPhones. As a matter of fact, there exists even a specific sub-forum on exactly that; modifying one's iPhone.

Therefore, my interpretation is, that this forum exist for all. And that includes those that have chosen to mod or unlocked their iPhones and come here either to seek assistance or offer help and ideas, and share their stories. To suggest that people in that category just "shut up" or "go away", serves no purpose whatsoever here. In fact, it merely tends to cause a divide and provoke controversy.

The fact remains, that there are in fact many who have modded or unlocked their phones, hoping to attain usefullness that they do not presently have from Apple. So what? Does that somehow threaten those of you who have nothing but praise for Apple and have chosen not to do so? I wouldn't think it does.

So how about merely allowing everybody that comes to this forum, the same rights to express themselves, and not suggest that they shut up or go away?

[Tinman]

To the OP, who are you to tell people to shut up??? Everyone has different opinions about every situation. Some see the glass half full, while others see the glass half empty. Just because you wrote a long rambling praise about the update does not make your word the gospel!!! You don't even understand the whole situation anyway. Tinnman was so upset about losing his Apps because a few posters yesterday (who probably didn't update yet) swore that you could update, then reinstall Apps. I almost fell for it myself, but chose to wait for more feedback.

"My Opinion" is this. I should not have to make a choice between updating or losing my Apps. I paid Apple for my phone. I should be able to do as I wish with it. I (even though I don't agree with it) understand Apple preventing people from moving away from AT&T by unlocking. I do not understand why it is Apple's business if I want to change the boring stock home screen icons. Apple has alot of nerve killing third party Apps that have greatly enhanced this wonderful device known as the iPhone. Apple has offered nothing in the way of third party Apps. People become bored very quickly. Why do you think some new gadget comes out daily. The third party Apps was the best way of renewing intrest in the iPhone, Apple killed that and offered basically nothing in return!!!

Please in future post, just say what you have to say but don't tell others to shut up, that is very rude, plus defeats the purpose of the forum...M
Very well said, and you are right on the money as to what happened to me (though I understand I still have myself to blame, in the end).

What I don't understand about the OP, and all of the supporters of that mindset, is how any of this effects them. It doesn't. They can ignore posts and it won't hurt them in the slightest. I can't just ignore the fact that I no longer have the apps I had grown to depend upon, I see it every time I look at my iPhone now.

I used to see EIP as a place for iPhone users to help one another, but with all of these "shut up" style posts lately I am beginning to feel differently.



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[SpongebObiWan]

I used to see EIP as a place for iPhone users to help one another, but with all of these "shut up" style posts lately I am beginning to feel differently.
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Mike

Old saying: Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater :wink:

[ucla24]

Very well said, and you are right on the money as to what happened to me (though I understand I still have myself to blame, in the end).

What I don't understand about the OP, and all of the supporters of that mindset, is how any of this effects them. It doesn't. They can ignore posts and it won't hurt them in the slightest. I can't just ignore the fact that I no longer have the apps I had grown to depend upon, I see it every time I look at my iPhone now.

I used to see EIP as a place for iPhone users to help one another, but with all of these "shut up" style posts lately I am beginning to feel differently.





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Mike

I agree. The purpose of this forum is to help one another. Some users act like they own Apple and/or this forum, they don't. Enough with the "shut up" posts, already.

[cflamm]

thanks for the pogue link, tinman. amusing. hadn't seen that before.

carl

[tharmsen]

The point of a discussion board isn't to ignore posts but to respond to them.

The OP didn't express himself in the most eloquent way, but his point is valid. Why on earth would you buy a phone knowing its feature set (or at least having the option to learn about it by either doing internet research or actually using one of the countless demo phones at an Apple store) then complain endlessly about lack of features and updates?

Would you buy a 3 wheeled car then complain endlessly hoping for a factory upgrade that gives you that 4th wheel 3 months down the road? No. It's silly to buy a product based upon the hope (not even on promises from the manufacturer) that 3 months later Apple will give you those features you deem to be critical. Why would anyone of sound mind assume these features they deem to be so necessary would be added when no one from Apple has made such promises?

Let's pretend you lived in a box and didn't have the ability to research the phone before buying it. You still had 14 days to return it if you didn't like it once you got it. But no, you didn't return it but instead you hold on to it and the senseless hope that 3 weeks from now a major update will give it every feature you can dream up...

I just don't get it.

[tharmsen]

I agree. The purpose of this forum is to help one another. Some users act like they own Apple and/or this forum, they don't. Enough with the "shut up" posts, already.
I agree, we don't need the "shut up" posts from either side of the arguement.

[ucla24]

I agree, we don't need the "shut up" posts from either side of the arguement.


Agreed. Dialogue is key. We all love our iphones and people's emotions are on high when updates come out. Let's keep our emotions in check and stick to constructive/instructive dialogue, not destructive.

[Tinman]

The point of a discussion board isn't to ignore posts but to respond to them.
No one said the "point" of discussion boards was to ignore posts, so that is an unfair comparison.

Moreover, most people do not respond, and in fact there are usually more lurkers than actual posters. Always has been like this, always will be like this.



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[tharmsen]

No one said the "point" of discussion boards was to ignore posts, so that is an unfair comparison.

You're purposely taking my comment out of context, and I didn't make a comparison with that statement.

[Tinman]

You're purposely taking my comment out of context, and I didn't make a comparison with that statement.
Out of context? It was the very first sentence.

Regardless, stating "The point of a discussion board isn't to ignore posts.." implied that someone said it was the point, which is not true. Pretty simple, actually.


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Mike

[tharmsen]

Regardless, stating "The point of a discussion board isn't to ignore posts.." implied that someone said it was the point, which is not true. Pretty simple, actually.
An implication and a comparison are two totally different things. Pretty simple, actually.

[Lester56]

Do I look fat in this dress?

[tharmsen]

Do I look fat in this dress?
Break out the iPhone and take a pic... then share it here. We'll be honest. :tounge:

[colombianito]

I greatly appreciate your empathy, I really do.

But there are now (many) reports that this update is bricking non-modded, non-unlocked iPhones, or at least making them unusable with AT&T.

This is going to hurt Apple more than it helps. Mark my words.


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u r sooo funny dude...

[pn.md]

Modders vs. Non-modders ---This is going to be a bloodbath!

Yes, I got bit by the AppTapp/ openSSH bug. It appears from iPod Touch NON-progress that the new Apple encryption is proving a formidable foe.

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5836&page=3

Found this on iPod Touch board

Quote:
Originally Posted by mycintosh
Still no decrypted .dmg?
thats almost unbelievable ... was Apple doin' well this time with the passwords?

The pass key is not going to be brute forced.

The pass key on 1.0.0 was 28c909fc6d322fa18940f03279d70880e59a4507998347c70d 5b8ca7ef090ecccc15e82d

On 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 it was 7d5962d0b582ec2557c2cade50de90f4353a1c1de07b742125 13fef9cc71fb890574bfe5

Those are too long to be brute forced in any reasonable time. The keys above were found because they were exposed as simple strings in the "asr" recovery-mode executables

[vicknik]

Here is a link to some things that worked and didn't work after the upgrade:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5450827�

I'm sure there are more links... I'll be looking for them tomorrow.

[pn.md]

I miss my modded dialpad...:tounge:

http://homepage.mac.com/pnmd1/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2007-09-26%2023.13.50%20-0700/Image-C6279F626CC011DC.jpg

[hexonxonx]

Yeah it's gonna take a very long time to brek into the iPhone this time. If and when it gets hacked, Apple will just do it all over again. I think it's too funny!

[DisneyEcho]

...reports that this update is bricking non-modded, non-unlocked iPhones, or at least making them unusable with AT&T.

Verifiable reports? I can report first-hand, seeing it for myself on our two iPhones, that there were no such problems in our family and our iPhones updated perfectly, did not brick and are non-modded, non-unlocked iPhones which are still working quite well with the AT&T network as well as WiFi.

Perhaps those saying they didn't mod their iPhone in any way actually did and want to see if they can get Apple to unbrick them anyway, or perhaps they even don't actually have an iPhone at all: There's no way that I know of on this forum to prove that anyone actually has an iPhone... Anyone is allowed to post and there have been other threads hinting that perhaps people from companies making/selling other brands of cellphones might have been writing untrue things about the iPhone in order to try and hurt it. I don't mean you, of course.

The only "hack" I had done to our iPhones was the adding of custom ringtones, done with the now-obsolete method of renaming the ringtone extension, and those ringtones were removed by a previous version of iTunes.

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/DisneyEchoiPhone.gif (http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com)

[Tinman]

Verifiable reports? I can report first-hand, seeing it for myself on our two iPhones that there were no such problems in our family and our iPhones updated perfectly, did not brick and are non-modded, non-unlocked iPhones which are still working quite well with the AT&T network as well as WiFi.
Mine updated without bricking too. With yours that is a sample size of three, so I am not sure what that adds to the equation.

The problem might be centered around those who had to activate using a GoPhone plan. But I am not sure.

"The update was released yesterday (version 1.1.1) and within minutes I was coming across rumors that the firmware was responsible for bricking some unlocked phones. Within a couple of hours those rumors were confirmed - the iPhone update was toxic to unlocked handsets.

Then something strange happened. I started seeing reports that locked iPhones were being bricked by the update (Robert Scoble has a few twitter links here, Techmeme here). Turns out that this update can be just as toxic to locked iPhones - the only difference is that people with unlocked iPhones don’t have any warranty to fall back on.

Having the Internet littered with stories of iBricks isn’t going to be good for Apple. Had all the iBricks been unlocked iPhones prior to being bricked Apple might have been able to put the PR spin machine into high gear and made the hackers (and those deviant owners who wanted to unlock Apple’s their iPhones) the bad guys in all this. But even that would have been complicated. If, when the iPhone hackers dissect the update, it’s discovered that Apple had either deliberately or recklessly bricked iPhones, that’s going to paint Apple as the bad guy. If the hackers release a fix to transform iBricks back into iPhones, again Apple looks bad for having left customers out in the cold. That all makes Apple look very bad. What’s making Apple look really bad are the stories of iPhones that haven’t been tampered with being bricked. That’s going to be the nightmare part for Apple’s PR department."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=836&tag=nl.e622


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Mike

[iphonecrazyy]

Wow I didn't expect so many responses, so yea don't think I can quite respond to all of them :tounge:

I guess when you put shut up in a title it stirs things up.

But anyways, I'm probably just as unhappy as most of you, but I have an understanding for how electronics manufacturers work, nearly any manufacturer will work to block hacks. And plus if you wanted to keep your hacks, then just don't update, it was your choice. So that is why I choose not to complain, and take it for what it is. Any of you on these forums who updated and lost your hacks were warned extensively.

[krossmusic]

I literally can not stand all these people complaining about the update, the update was huge and full of features. I mean look:



iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites of music controls
Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
Stocks and cities in Stocks and Waether can be re-ordered
Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
Support for TV Out
Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
New Passcode lock time intervals
Adjustable alert volume
Not to mention that with most electronic products you have to bite the bullet to hack it. If you really want a hacked phone then don't update. For those of you who already did, well that is just idiotic. People have been warning for a while not to update right away.

Also just because the feature YOU wanted was not implemented, does not mean the rest of iPhone users wanted it.

Yes the iPhone is expensive, but it was your choice to spend that much money on it, and you bought it knowing the features. Buying a product in hope of other features is not smart.

Just like all of you there are features that I would personally like to see, and just like all of you I wish the update did not prevent third party apps and unlocking. However this doesent mean we should lash out at Apple, they really have done nothing wrong here. They just improved the iPhone and nearly all of the posts I see are complaints! Be thankful, and I wouldnt doubt it if the new firmware gets hacked anyways.

And by the way I'm far from an Apple loyalist, I'm currently typing this on a PC :laugh2:

THANK YOU !!!

[netsyd]

Wow I didn't expect so many responses, so yea don't think I can quite respond to all of them :tounge:

I guess when you put shut up in a title it stirs things up.

But anyways, I'm probably just as unhappy as most of you, but I have an understanding for how electronics manufacturers work, nearly any manufacturer will work to block hacks. And plus if you wanted to keep your hacks, then just don't update, it was your choice. So that is why I choose not to complain, and take it for what it is. Any of you on these forums who updated and lost your hacks were warned extensively.

While I can easily see your point about the extensive warnings - there were a couple "INITIAL" reports on this forum and others that stated AppTapp & therefore jailbreak continued to work AFTER the update.

The biggest issue (I personally have) is that some folks including Tinman updated their iPhone based on those reports and while they don't have legitimate gripe against Apple for doing what they have, they do have a pretty good right to be upset. :smile:

[iphonecrazyy]

As I already stated to Mike, I completely understand the frustration.

However I saw the same posts you all did and I chose to wait for more feedback on the issue. I think what hurt a lot of people is over anxiousness. Waiting 24 hours would have been quite easy and would have avoided these issues.

[DRabbit]

While I can easily see your point about the extensive warnings - there were a couple "INITIAL" reports on this forum and others that stated AppTapp & therefore jailbreak continued to work AFTER the update.

The biggest issue (I personally have) is that some folks including Tinman updated their iPhone based on those reports and while they don't have legitimate gripe against Apple for doing what they have, they do have a pretty good right to be upset. :smile:

Yeah, at themselves.

Who you gonna trust more about the iPhone... Apple or some random person you never met in a forum? Personally, if Apple says it's update might brick your phone and warns against 3rd party apps, I'd trust them first... considering they're the ones I paid the money to FOR the phone.

I actually think all of this is quite amusing... everyone getting so bent out of shape because their 3rd party unsupported apps, even ones they paid for (!!!) don't work anymore. Apple's been pretty clear from the beginning they weren't going to support 3rd party apps, and it isn't at all surprising that an update came out breaking them all. Anyone with any experience with Apple know that this is how they maintain tight control over their products... we could get into a whole discussion why Apple computers are more stable and secure than any comparable Windows machines, but I digress.

I think back to iDay and how happy everyone was... sure, we're missing some stuff, no one can deny that, but it's just been 3 months since our iPhones hit the streets. You watch what happens in October/November when Leopard comes out... it's going to be fun.

If you all can't live without your unlocks and third party hacks/mods/apps than go buy another phone. It's really simple. This is how Apple does business and they aren't going to change anytime soon... not if we're going to keep having good, user-friendly and quality products from them. Are they perfect? No. But at least to me, it's way better than the alternatives.

How quick we all forget our choices before iDay...

[mrgisriel]

I agree with the poster.
Just stop complaining already.

Yes, they need to improve/add some features but it will come eventually. Give them time, damn

Derek

[uarefunnytome]

To the best of our knowledge no one forced me to buy an IPhone, just as no one forced me to unlock, Ibrickr, Or Mod my phone...I chose to keep the phone as is. It is what I purchased, the information (price) (features) were available at the time of purchase, so my purchase was an informed one. My phone was never bought with the hopes of what it could become. I bought it because I liked the GodDammed Thing, not because Apple is a corporate pig trying to make a killing. Apple, Microsoft and every major company outhere in the world is out for one thing Money...

No one was forced to update their phone or Itunes or windows .... We are all responsible for the choices we make......

If I Didnt Like The Phone I Could Have Returned It

[DisneyEcho]

Mike, thanks for the quote and the link to where you saw it on the blog at zdnet.

Hmmmm, am I remembering correctly that it has been noticed that at times zdnet is somewhat anti-Apple/pro-PC in their reporting?

I could be wrong, of course, and I use Apples and PCs so I think I'm not biased and I know that neither is perfect.

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/DisneyEchoiPhone.gif (http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com)

[Swagger]

The point of a discussion board isn't to ignore posts but to respond to them.

The OP didn't express himself in the most eloquent way, but his point is valid. Why on earth would you buy a phone knowing its feature set (or at least having the option to learn about it by either doing internet research or actually using one of the countless demo phones at an Apple store) then complain endlessly about lack of features and updates?

Would you buy a 3 wheeled car then complain endlessly hoping for a factory upgrade that gives you that 4th wheel 3 months down the road? No. It's silly to buy a product based upon the hope (not even on promises from the manufacturer) that 3 months later Apple will give you those features you deem to be critical. Why would anyone of sound mind assume these features they deem to be so necessary would be added when no one from Apple has made such promises?

Let's pretend you lived in a box and didn't have the ability to research the phone before buying it. You still had 14 days to return it if you didn't like it once you got it. But no, you didn't return it but instead you hold on to it and the senseless hope that 3 weeks from now a major update will give it every feature you can dream up...

I just don't get it.

Sir, I think you missed the whole point. I can only speak for myself. I would like to update my phone, for the stability of the phone. I am not updating due to the update, killing third party Apps. My phone is "So Me" now, why would I give that up??? Why should I have to give that up??? to get some bug fixes that I truly need (like higher volume)????

I bought this phone from Apple. I am not renting, leasing or financing it from Apple, this is MY PHONE!!! I should be able to put whatever I want on, MY PHONE!!! No one would be modding in the first place if Apple would, A.) Offer applications for sale or free that are usable, and/or B.) Make their code available to third party software developers (for Development of software). Steve is acting like the little kid that brought the football to the field, but didn't get picked for the team, so he took his ball and ran home crying. Can you name any other PDA phone that does not incorporate or allow third party Apps??? I can't think of any, and I've owned just about all of them. Yes, the iPhone has many wonderful features, but the third party Apps make it better, hotter, more usable. This is basically a fun phone, why is Apple stopping me from having fun with it??? I don't want the fun (WiFi Music Store, give me a break) they tell me, I have to have with it. I want the fun, I decide to have with it.

I don't expect Apple to give me anything, that was not present on my phone when I purchased it. I do expect Apple to leave alone, what I have done to personally enhance MY PHONE!!!

The iPhone is basically a small computer, would you buy a computer you could not enhance via third party software??? There is no one device that will suit all. We all live different lives and our mobility needs are different, this is why modding is so important. I don't want to be in a place with ten other iPhone's that look just like mine. I want to be different, we are not clones, nor do I want my phone to be.

Software/Firmware updates come out all the time to update computers, PDA phones and so forth, it is rare that the purpose of the update was to kill, user installed software.

If you and the OP honestly believe what Apple did is right. I assume that you/he enjoy others making decisions for you. We (in the U.S.) are losing all our rights, choices and freedoms in this country. Please at least try and retain the choice of what you want your phone to do and look like.

I think that, if Apple continues down this current path, they are going to be the subject of a class action lawsuit, just like Microsoft. I thought Apple was all about innovation, anyway??? Why then would they stifle the hard work of, all the individuals (Modders/Hackers) that (for Free, might I add) made their device even hotter???

If Steve Jobs/Apple wants to control my iPhone from the "cradle to the grave" then he/they need to give me ALL my money back!!! I won't say anything then, it will be Apple's phone, that I'm just using.

Don't let Steve Jobs, guy next door appearance, fool you into thinking he and Apple are your friend, he is not!!! He and Apple are a businessman/business, and his/their job is to get as much of your hard earned dollars as he/they can. Please don't lose sight of that as you continue to mount your vigorous and frequent defense of Apple...M

[Dawgfan]

Sir, I think you missed the whole point. I can only speak for myself. I would like to update my phone, for the stability of the phone. I am not updating due to the update, killing third party Apps. My phone is "So Me" now, why would I give that up??? Why should I have to give that up??? to get some bug fixes that I truly need (like higher volume)????

I bought this phone from Apple. I am not renting, leasing or financing it from Apple, this is MY PHONE!!! I should be able to put whatever I want on, MY PHONE!!! No one would be modding in the first place if Apple would, A.) Offer applications for sale or free that are usable, and/or B.) Make their code available to third party software developers (for Development of software). Steve is acting like the little kid that brought the football to the field, but didn't get picked for the team, so he took his ball and ran home crying. Can you name any other PDA phone that does not incorporate or allow third party Apps??? I can't think of any, and I've owned just about all of them. Yes, the iPhone has many wonderful features, but the third party Apps make it better, hotter, more usable. This is basically a fun phone, why is Apple stopping me from having fun with it??? I don't want the fun (WiFi Music Store, give me a break) they tell me, I have to have with it. I want the fun, I decide to have with it.

I don't expect Apple to give me anything, that was not present on my phone when I purchased it. I do expect Apple to leave alone, what I have done to personally enhance MY PHONE!!!

The iPhone is basically a small computer, would you buy a computer you could not enhance via third party software??? There is no one device that will suit all. We all live different lives and our mobility needs are different, this is why modding is so important. I don't want to be in a place with ten other iPhone's that look just like mine. I want to be different, we are not clones, nor do I want my phone to be.

Software/Firmware updates come out all the time to update computers, PDA phones and so forth, it is rare that the purpose of the update was to kill, user installed software.

If you and the OP honestly believe what Apple did is right. I assume that you/he enjoy others making decisions for you. We (in the U.S.) are losing all our rights, choices and freedoms in this country. Please at least try and retain the choice of what you want your phone to do and look like.

I think that, if Apple continues down this current path, they are going to be the subject of a class action lawsuit, just like Microsoft. I thought Apple was all about innovation, anyway??? Why then would they stifle the hard work of, all the individuals (Modders/Hackers) that (for Free, might I add) made their device even hotter???

If Steve Jobs/Apple wants to control my iPhone from the "cradle to the grave" then he/they need to give me ALL my money back!!! I won't say anything then, it will be Apple's phone, that I'm just using.

Don't let Steve Jobs, guy next door appearance, fool you into thinking he and Apple are your friend, he is not!!! He and Apple are a businessman/business, and his/their job is to get as much of you hard earned dollars as he/they can. Please don't lose sight of that as you continue to mount your vigorous and frequent defense of Apple...M
I don't think it can be said any better than this.

[Swagger]

I miss my modded dialpad...:tounge:

http://homepage.mac.com/pnmd1/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2007-09-26%2023.13.50%20-0700/Image-C6279F626CC011DC.jpg

Where was that mod, I must have missed that one. Wow, I like that!!!

[Tinman]

I don't think it can be said any better than this.
I agree. iPhonian has been on a roll today.


--
Mike

[Dawgfan]

I agree. iPhonian has been on a roll today.


--
Mike

I think it just took a day for it to sink in regarding what we got versus what we didn't and may never get. The clock is ticking on my iPhone.

My gf laughs at my iPhone frequently (she is a BB 8800 user which I used to have) and she bought my iPhone for me. The problem/sad part is that the humor she finds in what my iPhone can't do is actually justfied.

[tharmsen]

Sir, I think you missed the whole point. I can only speak for myself. I would like to update my phone, for the stability of the phone. I am not updating due to the update, killing third party Apps. My phone is "So Me" now, why would I give that up??? Why should I have to give that up??? to get some bug fixes that I truly need (like higher volume)????

I bought this phone from Apple. I am not renting, leasing or financing it from Apple, this is MY PHONE!!! I should be able to put whatever I want on, MY PHONE!!! No one would be modding in the first place if Apple would, A.) Offer applications for sale or free that are usable, and/or B.) Make their code available to third party software developers (for Development of software). Steve is acting like the little kid that brought the football to the field, but didn't get picked for the team, so he took his ball and ran home crying. Can you name any other PDA phone that does not incorporate or allow third party Apps??? I can't think of any, and I've owned just about all of them. Yes, the iPhone has many wonderful features, but the third party Apps make it better, hotter, more usable. This is basically a fun phone, why is Apple stopping me from having fun with it??? I don't want the fun (WiFi Music Store, give me a break) they tell me, I have to have with it. I want the fun, I decide to have with it.

I don't expect Apple to give me anything, that was not present on my phone when I purchased it. I do expect Apple to leave alone, what I have done to personally enhance MY PHONE!!!

The iPhone is basically a small computer, would you buy a computer you could not enhance via third party software??? There is no one device that will suit all. We all live different lives and our mobility needs are different, this is why modding is so important. I don't want to be in a place with ten other iPhone's that look just like mine. I want to be different, we are not clones, nor do I want my phone to be.

Software/Firmware updates come out all the time to update computers, PDA phones and so forth, it is rare that the purpose of the update was to kill, user installed software.

If you and the OP honestly believe what Apple did is right. I assume that you/he enjoy others making decisions for you. We (in the U.S.) are losing all our rights, choices and freedoms in this country. Please at least try and retain the choice of what you want your phone to do and look like.

I think that, if Apple continues down this current path, they are going to be the subject of a class action lawsuit, just like Microsoft. I thought Apple was all about innovation, anyway??? Why then would they stifle the hard work of, all the individuals (Modders/Hackers) that (for Free, might I add) made their device even hotter???

If Steve Jobs/Apple wants to control my iPhone from the "cradle to the grave" then he/they need to give me ALL my money back!!! I won't say anything then, it will be Apple's phone, that I'm just using.

Don't let Steve Jobs, guy next door appearance, fool you into thinking he and Apple are your friend, he is not!!! He and Apple are a businessman/business, and his/their job is to get as much of you hard earned dollars as he/they can. Please don't lose sight of that as you continue to mount your vigorous and frequent defense of Apple...M
Nice diatribe however I don't see what it has to do with my comments. I haven't said anything about your right to modify your phone. I was commenting on people complaining endlessly about lack of features, nothing more.

Thanks though, but you might want to direct your windy post towards someone to whom it might apply vs. the first person you see in which you have some sort of vendetta against.

[Dawgfan]

Nice diatribe however I don't see what it has to do with my comments. I haven't said anything about your right to modify your phone. I was commenting on people complaining endlessly about lack of features, nothing more.

Thanks though, but you might want to direct your windy post towards someone to whom it might apply vs. the first person you see in which you have some sort of vendetta against.

Are you sure it was directed at you? I read it as a justfied post to whomever wants to read it. His comments were dead on IMO. Not sure what you said but honestly not that interested..no offense.

[tharmsen]

Are you sure it was directed at you? I read it as a justfied post to whomever wants to read it. His comments were dead on IMO. Not sure what you said but honestly not that interested..no offense.
Duhhh, he quoted me and only me in his rambling misdirected post, so yes it's pretty obvious I was the target of his diatribe.

[Dawgfan]

I apologize if my last post came off rude...it wasn't intended that way but it sure can read that way.. My thought was that maybe he went on that rant (which I agree with his points) regardless of what anyone here said to him.

[Dawgfan]

Duhhh, he quoted me and only me in his rambling misdirected post, so yes it's pretty obvious I was the target of his diatribe.

Then I stand corrected but it's just a forum man.

[tharmsen]

Then I stand corrected but it's just a forum man.
Yes, it is just a forum but then according to you, you have no interest in what I think. So why are you conversing with me?

Meanwhile, here's what I had to say about hacking the iPhone weeks ago:

http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/47553-post3.html

Further evidence that iPhonian's post was horribly misdirected.

[Tinman]

Yes, it is just a forum but then according to you, you have no interest in what I think. So why are you conversing with me?

Meanwhile, here's what I had to say about hacking the iPhone weeks ago:

http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/47553-post3.html

Further evidence that iPhonian's post was horribly misdirected.
Just as an FYI although I caught that iPhonian quoted you, after the opening sentence or two I thought he was just making a generalized statement.

In other words I didn't think he was slamming you when I said I agreed with him (didn't even remember he started out replying to you). What I agreed with were his overall comments. No biggie, but thought I'd clarify.


--
Mike

[tharmsen]

Just as an FYI although I caught that iPhonian quoted you, after the opening sentence or two I thought he was just making a generalized statement.

In other words I didn't think he was slamming you when I said I agreed with him (didn't even remember he started out replying to you). What I agreed with were his overall comments. No biggie, but thought I'd clarify.


--
Mike
Thanks for the clarification Mike. While I disagree about the direction of his post (it's pretty obvious it's directed towards me as there's nothing in his comments that would denote another intended audience) I appreciate the thought.

I figured you were agreeing with the basic premise of his comments and not necessarily his directing it towards me. Ironically, as evidenced by the link provided, I agree with him.

On edit: If you read his last paragraph, he closes with making a snarky comment about my defending Apple all of the time. This tells me he in fact directed the entire post to me.

[Swagger]

Nice diatribe however I don't see what it has to do with my comments. I haven't said anything about your right to modify your phone. I was commenting on people complaining endlessly about lack of features, nothing more.

Thanks though, but you might want to direct your windy post towards someone to whom it might apply vs. the first person you see in which you have some sort of vendetta against.

Sir,
No vendetta here. You said you agreed with the OP. I already replied to him. I just wanted to try and get you guys to see that no one is crying. We are discussing how we feel. I am very sorry if that offended you, that was not the intention of my post...Have A Wonderful Weekend!!! M

[tharmsen]

Sir,
No vendetta here. You said you agreed with the OP. I already replied to him. I just wanted to try and get you guys to see that no one is crying. We are discussing how we feel. I am very sorry if that offended you, that was not the intention of my post...Have A Wonderful Weekend!!! M
When I said I agreed with the OP, I only meant as far as the update being useful. I happen to think the update was kickbutt and I really enjoy the new features. Sure, it's not everything I hoped for but I'm quite pleased still. I know future updates will be coming.

As you can see by my post above (with the link to an old comment about hacking) I agree with your position.

I assume this post is a pseudo-apology for firing off a rant directed towards me that was misdirected. Assuming that's true, thanks.

Have a great weekend too.

[SpongebObiWan]

Newsflash: Steve Jobs/Apple Computers, Cupertino, CA, are succeeding at their attempts to "divide and conquer" the masses. Evidence of this can be witnessed at www.everythingiPhone.com (http://www.everythingiPhone.com), where members and participants of that forum have been at each other's throats for days now over the "to mod or not to mod" controversy, as well as the backlash or lack thereof, as a result of the recent firmware upgrade which has apparently iBricked many iPhones. "No other issue has so divided us", said one forum member.










Disclaimer: The above newflash was only a reality in my own imagination. :tounge:

[uarefunnytome]

Gambling has 2 outcomes = Win or Lose
Iphone Has 2 Options = Buy or Dont Buy
Iphone Has 2 Options = Enjoy or Hack
Hacking Your Property is Your Right (Unlocking)
Updating Apple Software is Apple's Right
Leaving Hacks on Phone After Apple Warned is your choice
Accepting Said Update is Your Option (Youre Not Forced)
Installing Apples Update after having been warned = your choice
Having A Bricked Phone @ this point is a choice you made........


Why are people so upset................I feel for ya.........

[DisneyEcho]

Newsflash: Steve Jobs/Apple Computers, Cupertino, CA, are succeeding at their attempts to "divide and conquer" the masses. Evidence of this can be witnessed at www.everythingiPhone.com (http://www.everythingiPhone.com), where members and participants of that forum have been at each other's throats for days now over the "to mod or not to mod" controversy, as well as the backlash or lack thereof, as a result of the recent firmware upgrade which has apparently iBricked many iPhones. "No other issue has so divided us", said one forum member.

Disclaimer: The above newflash was only a reality in my own imagination. :tounge:

:D Next we'll be hearing that to make it up to us Steve Jobs has a $100 Apple Store discount for everyone upset that some people's iPhones were bricked by the 1.1.1 update! :wink:

I'm joking, of course!

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/DisneyEchoiPhone.gif (http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com)

[burniksapwet]

So you are upset that Apple updated their software which break applications that were not meant to be on the iPhone in the first place?

Am I missing something? How is this Apple's fault?
Well if apple added these features in the first place there would be less modding.

[Swagger]

Gambling has 2 outcomes = Win or Lose
Iphone Has 2 Options = Buy or Dont Buy
Iphone Has 2 Options = Enjoy or Hack
Hacking Your Property is Your Right (Unlocking)
Updating Apple Software is Apple's Right
Leaving Hacks on Phone After Apple Warned is your choice
Accepting Said Update is Your Option (Youre Not Forced)
Installing Apples Update after having been warned = your choice
Having A Bricked Phone @ this point is a choice you made........


Why are people complaining so much................I feel for ya.........

See, the problem comes in when you refer to our discussion as "Complaining". The purpose of a forum is to discuss issues, such as on this thread. You bring in the word complaining, and all hell breaks loose because in a sense. You are judging someone else's comments, and labeling their words a complaint. You forgot something in your list above.

Don't Like Forum Topic= Leave quietly and don't disrupt or argue.....

[burniksapwet]

Yes the iPhone is expensive, but it was your choice to spend that much money on it, and you bought it knowing the features. Buying a product in hope of other features is not smart.
I understand that, but if there was a way for you to make the phone better would you not want that? That is what these third party apps have done which made the iphone experience much better (for me at least).

[uarefunnytome]

See, the problem comes in when you refer to our discussion as "Complaining". The purpose of a forum is to discuss issues, such as on this thread. You bring in the word complaining, and all hell breaks loose because in a sense. You are judging someone else's comments, and labeling their words a complaint. You forgot something in your list above.

Don't Like Forum Topic= Leave quietly and don't disrupt or argue.....


Hahahahaha.... True


There is too much tention and emotion here

[Swagger]

Hahahahaha.... True

See, we all love each other in this forum, everythingiPhone. We get very heated at one another at times, but in the end, most of us can agree to disagree. I have been in this forum for quite some time now. I am still amazed at the discussion a cell phone can invoke. I think we all need to take a break, from all the gloom and doom in the world around us. What better place to kick back, relax, voice your opinion, help the next member and maybe even start a friendship. Yes folks, all that is here in, everythingiPhone!!!! M

[nobbie]

http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/112396-post1.html

[uarefunnytome]

The Iphone is innovative forward thinking by apple...They have come to the telecommunications market with a product that since inception has caused attention.....we can all be friends.....Microsoft and Apple are not........SO I Uarefunnytome Will Take It As My Personal Quest To Bring These Two Giants Together........
I WILL PLAY HALO 3 WHILE ON A CALL ON MY IPHONE

[OJsakila]

I miss my modded dialpad...:tounge:

http://homepage.mac.com/pnmd1/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2007-09-26%2023.13.50%20-0700/Image-C6279F626CC011DC.jpg

Where can I get this file? I would love to have this as mydial pad. Please give a file link if you get the chance....thank you..

[pn.md]

No, if I can't have it no one is going to have it. :tounge:

Just place the files in the folder he recommends and it works great.
He also has the defaultdialpad if you want to put it back to the original.
The buttons even light up blue when pushed.

Here's the link, I'm so jealous...

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=877

Where can I get this file? I would love to have this as mydial pad. Please give a file link if you get the chance....thank you..

[DisneyEcho]

No, if I can't have it no one is going to have it. :tounge:

Just place the files in the folder he recommends and it works great.
He also has the defaultdialpad if you want to put it back to the original.
The buttons even light up blue when pushed.

Here's the link, I'm so jealous...

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=877

For some odd reason, i can't get this to work on my iPhone version 1.1.1 :big wink:

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/DisneyEchoiPhone.gif (http://disneyecho.emuck.com)

[pn.md]

For some odd reason, i can't get this to work on my iPhone version 1.1.1 :big wink:

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/DisneyEchoiPhone.gif (http://disneyecho.emuck.com)

It works on my 1.1.1 iPhone. Why you can't get it to work?
Actually it's improved on 1.1.1 :2cool:

[Swagger]

No, if I can't have it no one is going to have it. :tounge:

Just place the files in the folder he recommends and it works great.
He also has the defaultdialpad if you want to put it back to the original.
The buttons even light up blue when pushed.

Here's the link, I'm so jealous...

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=877

I won't even rub it in and post a photo of the new super hot NEON icons that just came out today (in AppTapp) for the home screen. I also will not mention the new NFL carrier logos, battery images, slider images, new sounds (the Aol You've got mail) or any of the other new Apps. The modders/hackers went all out today to give their own update. I would guess they rewarded all of us that had more faith in them than Apple. I am SOOOOOOOOO glad I did not update!!!!!!!!! See, I'm being nice...M

[SmartAlx]

I literally can not stand all these people complaining about the update, the update was huge and full of features. I mean look:



iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites of music controls
Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
Stocks and cities in Stocks and Waether can be re-ordered
Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
Support for TV Out
Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
New Passcode lock time intervals
Adjustable alert volume
Oh yeah, the update was HUGE.

I just have one thing to say to that:

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/apple_features.jpeg
Picture pulled from http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont-buy-302075.php (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont-buy-302075.php)The left is what Apple should have had on its own. The right is what they gave us. Plus your list, but if you ask me, I'd rather have the apps. It's going to be awhile before I update my iPhone, even though I haven't modded it.

[Swagger]

Oh yeah, the update was HUGE.I just have one thing to say to that:http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/apple_features.jpeg
Picture pulled from http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont-buy-302075.php (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont-buy-302075.php)The left is what Apple should have had on its own. The right is what they gave us. Plus your list, but if you ask me, I'd rather have the apps. It's going to be awhile before I update my iPhone, even though I haven't modded it.

I am laughing so hard right now, this is very Funny & True. The Mac Fanboys sure can't argue with that visual..HaHaHa...M


Modded iPhone owner that didn't update :laugh2::D

Version 1.1.1 iPhone owner that updated :angry::mad:

[iphonecrazyy]

I am laughing so hard right now, this is very Funny & True. The Mac Fanboys sure can't argue with that visual..HaHaHa...M


Modded iPhone owner that didn't update :laugh2::D

Version 1.1.1 iPhone owner that updated :angry::mad:

Actually I will happily argue it as I have done, and thus the reason I started the thread.

You want a hacked iPhone? Then DON'T UPDATE! If you already did update, then I'm sorry to say, but it is your fault. You should have took into consideration the NUMEROUS warnings of doing so.

When you bought the phone did you buy it because you KNEW someone was going to hack it? Or did you buy it based off the specs that you KNEW it had. If you didn't know it lacked features you wanted, then it is your fault for buying the phone without properly researching it.

Also that list is missing several improvements the update brought.

And yea btw I'm far from a mac fan boy, the iPhone was the 1st product I ever bought from apple, and I'm currently on a PC. :laugh2:

[Swagger]

Actually I will happily argue it as I have done, and thus the reason I started the thread.

You want a hacked iPhone? Then DON'T UPDATE! If you already did update, then I'm sorry to say, but it is your fault. You should have took into consideration the NUMEROUS warnings of doing so.

When you bought the phone did you buy it because you KNEW someone was going to hack it? Or did you buy it based off the specs that you KNEW it had. If you didn't know it lacked features you wanted, then it is your fault for buying the phone without properly researching it.

Also that list is missing several improvements the update brought.

And yea btw I'm far from a mac fan boy, the iPhone was the 1st product I ever bought from apple, and I'm currently on a PC. :laugh2:

I'm so glad you reiterated your point once again. We are all so stupid that we needed you to spell it out for us. I'm modded for life. My phone has lots more features tonight than any 1.1.1 user and I am so happy about that. I would write more but I have more important business to tend to. I have several more Apps to download tonight since the Modders/Hackers so graciously thanked us for sticking with them by giving us, a slew of updates today. We can finish this conversation on IM ,which one are you running on your iPhone so I can contact you??? Oh my bad, I forgot, you don't have IM on your iPhone. BTW: don't waste your money on the iTunes WiFi store, just tell me what songs you want and I will send them to you (for Free) from my iPhone through Send A Song (it's the least I could do for you)....:laugh2:M

[pab277]

i hear ya! people just need to accept the fact that this the apple provided people with and they have just got live with it, people act as if this is the last update apple will ever come out with, all people have to be is patient.

[iphonecrazyy]

I'm so glad you reiterated your point once again. We are all so stupid that we needed you to spell it out for us. I'm modded for life. My phone has lots more features tonight than any 1.1.1 user and I am so happy about that. I would write more but I have more important business to tend to. I have several more Apps to download tonight since the Modders/Hackers so graciously thanked us for sticking with them by giving us, a slew of updates today. We can finish this conversation on IM ,which one are you running on your iPhone so I can contact you??? Oh my bad, I forgot, you don't have IM on your iPhone. BTW: don't waste your money on the iTunes WiFi store, just tell me what songs you want and I will send them to you (for Free) from my iPhone through Send A Song (it's the least I could do for you)....:laugh2:M

Speaking of reiterating, why don't you tell people one more time how many cool and great apps you have! Maybe even start a thread about how many cool apps you have. Sweet Man!

And you assume I upgraded? Who said I upgraded? I'm still on 1.0.2. My point was people need to stop whining and bashing the new firmware. That was it.

[177ike]

I agree. The purpose of this forum is to help one another. Some users act like they own Apple and/or this forum, they don't. Enough with the "shut up" posts, already.

One can actually own part of Apple by owning equity in the company or common stock. Granted, most of us do not own enough to make decisions for the company like allowing 3rd party apps, etc, but still enough to say... Recognize a capital gain that would pay for my, in some peoples minds, overpriced iPhone.

Did anyone catch that Apple's stock hit an all time high the other day? I wonder how they'll do going into the holiday season with their current lineup of products.

[T3Logic]

i hear ya! people just need to accept the fact that this the apple provided people with and they have just got live with it, people act as if this is the last update apple will ever come out with, all people have to be is patient.

If the class action lawsuit gets underway, it might be for awhile before you see another update.

[tobey]

While this update may not be huge, it's a decent update (and HELLO, it's free).

People's exectations are too high, with every update there is all this speculation about crazy new apps and gizmos that will change the world. It's not going to happen people, and it's certainly not going to happen with every monthly update, so chill out and be patient.

Since this update sucks so bad, we should all throw a huge internet fit and write nasty, rude emails to Apple. Heck maybe even a lawsuit should be filed. Yeah, that will fix them real good...

:gasp:

[tobey]

My mistake was believing the ^%#$* who carelessly posted that AppTapp still worked after the update. My mistake was foolishly thinking Apple really wouldn't go as far as locking down the iPhone like the iPod touch.


:laugh2:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, there is a lot of misinformation floating around out there...

[pn.md]

09-27-2007, 12:57 PM
Yes. I am using App Tapp right now and just tried out Sketches and it works too.

*APP TAPP DOES NOT WORK. SORRY FOR THE MISTAKE. I thought my iphone was updated and it hadn't even started to update when i posted this***

Message was Last edited by iphoneyouphone : 09-27-2007 at 02:29 PM. Reason: typo.


This is the post I read and I updated based on this. I suspect this took down more than a few people. By the time the edit was made it was too late.
Of course, my mistake in the end...:angry:

[Tinman]

This is the post I read and I updated based on this. I suspect this took down more than a few people. By the time the edit was made it was too late.
Of course, my mistake in the end...:angry:

Yep, that would be the post that got me to click "update."

Not only would I be a lot happier now if hadn't done that, a lot of other people would too (the people who had to endure my first day with 1.1.1 :tounge:).



--
Mike

[burniksapwet]

Originally Posted by iphoneyouphone http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/everythingiphone/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/official-iphone-update-1-1-1-software-update-release-discussion-12765-post110199.html#post110199)

09-27-2007, 12:57 PM
Yes. I am using App Tapp right now and just tried out Sketches and it works too.

*APP TAPP DOES NOT WORK. SORRY FOR THE MISTAKE. I thought my iphone was updated and it hadn't even started to update when i posted this***

Message was Last edited by iphoneyouphone : 09-27-2007 at 02:29 PM. Reason: typo.

He might be working for apple. Hehehehehe:laugh2:

[pn.md]

He might be working for apple. Hehehehehe:laugh2:

Prior to updating, I actually checked to make sure he was a regular user and he was.

Once again, I'm not blaming him, yes I am , no I'm not, yes I am, no...:angry:

[Tinman]

Prior to updating, I actually checked to make sure he was a regular user and he was.

Once again, I'm not blaming him, yes I am , no I'm not, yes I am, no...:angry:
Mostly I blame myself, obviously. But on the other hand I have these moments where I'd like to strangle the SO.... be nice, Mike, be nice.:embarrassed:



--
Mike

[Swagger]

Yep, that would be the post that got me to click "update."

Not only would I be a lot happier now if hadn't done that, a lot of other people would too (the people who had to endure my first day with 1.1.1 :tounge:).



--
Mike

The guy that wrote that post was nice enough to update his post. I just don't see how he made that mistake though. It's almost like letting someone hold your iPhone and they drop it. The person can apologize all they want, but the damage is done. He should have never posted (with all that was at stake) unless he was absolutely sure. That poster screwed alot of people with his post. I have read that the new encryption is so tight that it may be months before it is hacked. I would be so angry if I lost all my Apps in exchange for a stupid WiFi music store. I hope some brilliant mind hacks the encryption soon, so you and your iPhone can be "Whole" again...M

[pn.md]

Anybody know if it would be possible to switch iPhones? A relative has a 1.0.2 iphone and mine is 1.1.1. Would it be possible to switch sims and restore his 1.0.2 phone for use with my sim. Both phones are legitimately activated/contracted with AT&T.

Thx.
My relative could care less about modding...:laugh2:

[Swagger]

While this update may not be huge, it's a decent update (and HELLO, it's free).

People's exectations are too high, with every update there is all this speculation about crazy new apps and gizmos that will change the world. It's not going to happen people, and it's certainly not going to happen with every monthly update, so chill out and be patient.

Since this update sucks so bad, we should all throw a huge internet fit and write nasty, rude emails to Apple. Heck maybe even a lawsuit should be filed. Yeah, that will fix them real good...

:gasp:

I think guys/girls like you create an account just to complain about the people YOU say are complaining. You have not written one positive post, helping anyone. No one twisted your arm to read our comments (not complaints). Why don't you (since you are here) start your own thread for Mac/Apple loving Fanboys, then you will only see post's geared toward, "Whatever Apple does right or wrong, I still love them". We are sick of people like you complaining about the complaining (which you don't uderstand, is healthy dialogue). BTW: AppTapp and all the wonderful Apps are free also, so what is your point, or do you even know what your point is??? M

[Swagger]

Anybody know if it would be possible to switch iPhones? A relative has a 1.0.2 iphone and mine is 1.1.1. Would it be possible to switch sims and restore his 1.0.2 phone for use with my sim. Both phones are legitimately activated/contracted with AT&T.

Thx.
My relative could care less about modding...:laugh2:

You should probably call and ask AT&T, to make sure you get a straight answer. No sense in getting tricked again when AT&T is just a toll free call away...M

[geordisjd]

If the class action lawsuit gets underway, it might be for awhile before you see another update.

The next update will come exactly when it is planned.
Doesn't matter if a few crazies waste their time on suing for no good reason. People are always suing when they can't have it their way or their kid is not a genius like Uncle Albert. Typically, they lose.

[DRabbit]

I would like to update my phone, for the stability of the phone. I am not updating due to the update, killing third party Apps....

So update. No one is stopping you from updating your APPLE product to fix the APPLE bugs. But it isn't Apple's job to make sure all the unsupported 3rd party apps that only worked because of hacking work.

I bought this phone from Apple. I am not renting, leasing or financing it from Apple, this is MY PHONE!!! I should be able to put whatever I want on, MY PHONE!!!

Under that theory you should be able to put anything on your computer that you bought. But you can't. You can't install Apple software on a Windows machine. You can't install Halo 3 on your PS3. And if some talented 3rd party hacker makes it possible, you can't blame the computer or console OR CELLPHONE manufacturer for not supporting it in their updates. Their job is to support and update their OWN software and hardware, and 3rd party software that was built on spec. NOT ONE of these 3rd party apps is built on an approved spec, because Apple has been CRYSTAL CLEAR that, at this time, they are not supporting 3rd party developed software. Period.

A.) Offer applications for sale or free that are usable, and/or B.) Make their code available to third party software developers (for Development of software).

It has been 3 months since the phone was released, and Apple has been very clear about what they are currently supporting and allowing. You knew it when you bought the phone. If you were going to rely on unsupported 3rd party apps and mods, you should have EXPECTED exactly what you got.

Steve is acting like the little kid that brought the football to the field, but didn't get picked for the team, so he took his ball and ran home crying.

Look in the mirror. You're the one having a tantrum because Apple isn't supporting the people who are hacking it's software. I guess when Microsoft closes up a security hole in Windows you cry just as much when that virus you had fails to work properly? You're right, these mods/hacks/unlocks aren't viruses meant to hurt the device, but did you ever consider that some of them open significant security breaches? Okay, maybe they do or they don't, but do you see where I'm going? Apple has no obligation to support a closed system, which its said from the beginning the iPhone currently is. If it wants to keep the system closed, that's their right.

Can you name any other PDA phone that does not incorporate or allow third party Apps??? I can't think of any, and I've owned just about all of them.

Unlike you I haven't owned a zillion different phones... but I HAVE owned many computers, both Apple and PC. Apple has ALWAYS maintain tight control over it's hardware and software development for it's OS... hence the reason not as much software is available for Mac. By keeping such tight control they can ensure better security and better performance. And it's NO SECRET.

I'll go one step further. iPod and DRM music starts becoming popular and a hacker creates a peace of software that removed the DRM of purchased music... not for illegal sharing, but so you can burn MP3 CDs from your purchased iTunes songs. Several iTunes versions later the "hole" is closed and that software ceases to function. It's within Apple's right to close that hole, and you could go as far to say it's their OBLIGATION to close that hole to protect the artists, record labels and publishers who own the rights to the songs. Sure, lots of people used the 3rd party app for perfectly legal reasons, but lots of people used it for ILLEGAL reasons as well. It creates a potential security breach that Apple MUST close.

Yes, the iPhone has many wonderful features, but the third party Apps make it better, hotter, more usable...

Again, Apple was clear about what the phone did and didn't do when you bought it. A little demo of the device would have answered all your questions prior to purchase. You didn't COUNT ON 3rd party apps because I'd bet you didn't even know they existed until you owned the phone. And if you DID, you were dumb, since Apple publicly stated from day 1 there would be no approved development kit for 3rd party software at this time.

...I do expect Apple to leave alone, what I have done to personally enhance MY PHONE!!!

Then never update it. You can't have both. You can't have a properly functioning device loaded with unapproved, untrusted software AND your security updates and bug fixes. There's no way Apple can write updates that won't, at some point, conflict with unapproved, untrusted software. There is a reason computer companies put out development kits... it's so that the developers FOLLOW THE RULES that won't break the device, create security problems, and create more bugs. It's so that they don't create software that will conflict with how the OS works so that when updates DO come out there aren't more problems. Since there is no approved development kit for now, anything on your phone that comes from a 3rd party is potentially built without thought to the entire OS itself and how future upgrades might effect it. There's been no extensive testing because it's only been 3 months and the developers don't even know everything to test for.

The iPhone is basically a small computer, would you buy a computer you could not enhance via third party software???

I wouldn't buy a PS3 and expect to run photoshop on it.
I wouldn't buy a PC and cry that my WII games don't work right on it.
I could go on...

There is no one device that will suit all. We all live different lives and our mobility needs are different, this is why modding is so important. I don't want to be in a place with ten other iPhone's that look just like mine. I want to be different, we are not clones, nor do I want my phone to be.

Okay, now who's acting like a child? You want yours to LOOK different? Are you mad that you can't customize the menu on your WII or your PS3? Let's get past the GUI looking different because that is just a dumb argument.
As for your NEEDS being different, no one forced you to buy the iPhone. Yup, I said it. Like I said above, you didn't buy it based on 3rd party apps, and if you expected to be able to hack and mod it without problem, you came into the game very ignorant.

Software/Firmware updates come out all the time to update computers, PDA phones and so forth, it is rare that the purpose of the update was to kill, user installed software.

Read above. If 3rd party software developers are given the development kit, they can safely develop without problem. If they hack and write unapproved software, there will be problems. Been down the Vista road yet? Heard about all the problems people have had upgrading and software not working, hardware not being recognized? Apple maintains tight control for a reason. It works for them. If you don't like it, sell your iPhone and buy something else.

If you and the OP honestly believe what Apple did is right. I assume that you/he enjoy others making decisions for you. We (in the U.S.) are losing all our rights, choices and freedoms in this country. Please at least try and retain the choice of what you want your phone to do and look like.

Okay, now you are getting completely carried away. Apple is a corporation with a right to do business how it wants... AND they are doing it how they always do. You aren't LOSING YOUR RIGHT - oh my god, I'm LOL at you - you could buy another phone if you don't like it. OMG, didn't you think of that??? Oh, and guess what... no where in the constitution does it say you have the right to buy an Apple iPhone and have it loaded up with untrusted, unsupport software. ROFL!

I think that, if Apple continues down this current path, they are going to be the subject of a class action lawsuit, ...

It's been 3 months. Apple MAY open up a development kit for the iPhone, they just haven't yet. Apple is already involving other companies, like Google, YouTube and Starbucks into the mix. Geez, on my MacPro I can run Parallels and having Windows apps run like a champ if I need to. Are they doing anything different or are they operating the way they always have? Pretty much the way they always have... tight control... and it works for them. But they can do it AND be innovative and cooperative.

If Steve Jobs/Apple wants to control my iPhone from the "cradle to the grave" then he/they need to give me ALL my money back!!...

No one is controlling how you use your phone. Don't update until they open up an official development kit and say YES to 3rd party apps. You can't expect any company to support HACKING it's device... unless of course you're okay with all the spyware, trojans, and viruses that run amok on your PC on your iPhone and Mac OS too.

Don't let Steve Jobs, guy next door appearance, ...

LOL guy next door appearance... again dude, you're getting a bit carried away here. Of COURSE he's a business man with the goal to make money. Everyone knows that. You had a choice just like the rest of us to give Apple your $$$. All those little free unsupport, untrusted apps, well it's no ones job to make them work than the people who you downloaded them from... it's not up to Apple to make them work, or make them continue to work for you... and considering there were articles all over the net about how Apple wasn't opening up the iPhone for 3rd party developers, you got exactly what you bargained for. Don't like it? Sell it.

Scream all you want, it's not going to change.

[Swagger]

I hope Apple paid you for that extremely long winded rant about absolutely nothing!!! I didn't even read all of your rambling garbage. You certainly didn't change my mind about anything. You did however, prove to me that you have no independent thought process. Apple is leading you around like a dog on a leash. Do you really think Steve Jobs really cares how much you and the other Apple Fanboys defend him and Apple??? When is the last time Apple showed you their appreciation for your fanaticisim??? I stand by what I write, and you and no one else is going to change my mind. Furthermore, I do not need a person, absent of independent thinking telling me what to do (i.e., sell it) with my iPhone. Worry about your own phone and not mine. I for the life of me, can't understand why you one way thinking Fanboys even join forums like this. You guys/girls scan the threads looking for any opposition to Apple so you can get started, telling people they are wrong and so forth. Why not join a Macboy forum where you all think alike. Wouldn't you be more comfortable there with the other narrow minded thinkers??? Look at my default signature, I buy devices from several different companies, because I like diversity. You have a one track mind that only leads you to Apple. We all understand that, please give it a rest and STOP telling others they are wrong because their thinking is much more expanded than yours!!! I'm glad you enjoyed my post though!!! M

[DRabbit]

I hope Apple paid you for that extremely long winded rant about absolutely nothing!!! I didn't even read all of your rambling garbage. You certainly didn't change my mind about anything. You did however, prove to me that you have no independent thought process. Apple is leading you around like a dog on a leash. Do you really think Steve Jobs really cares how much you and the other Apple Fanboys defend him and Apple??? When is the last time Apple showed you their appreciation for your fanaticisim??? I stand by what I write, and you and no one else is going to change my mind. I'm glad you enjoyed my post though!!! M

LOL, you're funny! I didn't expect actual LOGIC to change your mind at all. Unlike you, I don't EXPECT things to be a certain way unrealistically. :tounge:

[geordisjd]

LOL, you're funny! I didn't expect actual LOGIC to change your mind at all. Unlike you, I don't EXPECT things to be a certain way unrealistically. :tounge:

Drabbit, I like you.

[pn.md]

I hope Apple paid you for that extremely long winded rant about absolutely nothing!!! I didn't even read all of your rambling garbage. You certainly didn't change my mind about anything. You did however, prove to me that you have no independent thought process. Apple is leading you around like a dog on a leash. Do you really think Steve Jobs really cares how much you and the other Apple Fanboys defend him and Apple??? When is the last time Apple showed you their appreciation for your fanaticisim??? I stand by what I write, and you and no one else is going to change my mind. I'm glad you enjoyed my post though!!! M

iPhonian, Defender of the Modders. Keep on, keep on. :wink:

It's not like we're putting pirated software on there. And I still haven't heard any stories where MODDING caused someone to brick their iPhone and returned it to Apple deceptively. Apple needs to remember we are the zealots and bleeding edge adapters who convince the general public to buy iPhones.

BTW- I've been an Apple fanboy since early 90's. Purchased early Macs and even a Newton. But now that I know the potential of modding- Modder 4 Life. :tounge:

[ColsTiger]

I agree. It was a great update. IF they can do all that in the first major update, then we can continue to look forward to improvements along the way.

Thanks Apple!

[Swagger]

LOL, you're funny! I didn't expect actual LOGIC to change your mind at all. Unlike you, I don't EXPECT things to be a certain way unrealistically. :tounge:

Logic??? That is the logic of an Apple Fanatic, not the general public. You also should brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said Apple should support 3rd party Apps. I said Apple should not intentionally kill them, just because Steve doesn't want them there. I have not seen one reported case of AppTapp or iBrickr, bricking a phone. Apple has bricked phones though (unhacked ones at that). I have not seen any App do anything but enhance iphones and make people recommend them even more. Apple went out of their way to kill those Apps. They should have been focused on fixing problems and offering Apps of their own. Then this whole post would be moot..M

[DRabbit]

Logic??? That is the logic of an Apple Fanatic, not the general public. You also should brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said Apple should support 3rd party Apps. I said Apple should not intentionally kill them, just because Steve doesn't want them there. I have not seen one reported case of AppTapp or iBrickr, bricking a phone. Apple has bricked phones though (unhacked ones at that). I have not seen any App do anything but enhance iphones and make people recommend them even more. Apple went out of their way to kill those Apps. They should have been focused on fixing problems and offering Apps of their own. Then this whole post would be moot..M

I thought you didn't read my reply?
By not supporting 3rd Party Apps, it's not at all surprising that the latest update closed the "hole" that was allowing them in the first place. If you want them to work again, go yell at the hackers that made them. When Apple officially opens up the iPhone for 3rd party development, then you can gripe if the official ones don't work.

As for reading comprehension, mine is just fine. Maybe yours needs a little help since you didn't understand that Apple wasn't going to support 3rd party apps... oh, yeah, and that warning last week about how unsupported software could muck up your phone or void your warranty.

I STILL tell everyone to buy an iPhone (or any Mac product in general) despite the lack of mods/hacks. I'd nearly guarantee that it's 1% or less of iPhone owners that have a hacked/modded phone. You overestimate the knowledge of the general consumer and computer/cellphone user.

[Swagger]

I agree. It was a great update. IF they can do all that in the first major update, then we can continue to look forward to improvements along the way.

Thanks Apple!

You call the WiFi music store and a few other minor adjustments, "a great update"??? Hmmm, sure makes me wonder what planet you are on. Even the co-founder (Steve Wozniack) of Apple, said he thought it was wrong of Apple to kill the 3rd party Apps. I guess he's wrong, misguided and unrealistic also, huh?? Remember, he was the technical brain of Apple. Hmmm, I wonder why he left Apple??? M

[Swagger]

DRabbit, I love a good, clean, intelligent debate, it keeps the ole ticker pumping. You really are an intelligent person. I just wish that you would expand your thinking a bit when it comes to Apple. I to love Apple's products. I just don't care for some of their practices. I must go now my unupdated, fully freaking modded, 1.0.2 baby is calling me. I enjoyed our exchange today. Live, Love & Share...M :laugh2:

[Sleeper]

Once in a while a post comes along that is so stupid and blinkered it literally takes one's breath away.

Let's see why...

So update. No one is stopping you from updating your APPLE product to fix the APPLE bugs. But it isn't Apple's job to make sure all the unsupported 3rd party apps that only worked because of hacking work.

Neither is it their job to deliberately brick the product if non-standard apps are detected. All S60 phones carry the caveat that modifying a phone is at the user's risk, however they do not deliberately make it inoperable as a result.

Under that theory you should be able to put anything on your computer that you bought.If it's compatible you should.

But you can't. You can't install Apple software on a Windows machine. You can't install Halo 3 on your PS3.However these applications were specifically designed for the iPhone and not another platform. Congratulations on missing the point.

Oh and you actually can run Apple software on a PC using Pear PC. Not that you'd want to though.

And if some talented 3rd party hacker makes it possible, you can't blame the computer or console OR CELLPHONE manufacturer for not supporting it in their updates. Their job is to support and update their OWN software and hardware, and 3rd party software that was built on spec. NOT ONE of these 3rd party apps is built on an approved spec, because Apple has been CRYSTAL CLEAR that, at this time, they are not supporting 3rd party developed software. Period.Yes. We know. Please try to understand the difference between 'not supporting' and 'deliberately breaking'.

It has been 3 months since the phone was released, and Apple has been very clear about what they are currently supporting and allowing. You knew it when you bought the phone. If you were going to rely on unsupported 3rd party apps and mods, you should have EXPECTED exactly what you got.Really? The N95 has had two major updates since its launch. Neither caused serious problems for the unit. Some apps were incompatible but if you uninstalled them it was fine. Then you just reinstalled the updated versions.

Look in the mirror. You're the one having a tantrum because Apple isn't supporting the people who are hacking it's software. I guess when Microsoft closes up a security hole in Windows you cry just as much when that virus you had fails to work properly?Please try to understand the difference between security updates that prevent malicious programs working and malicious updates that stop beneficial programs working.

You're right, these mods/hacks/unlocks aren't viruses meant to hurt the device, but did you ever consider that some of them open significant security breaches? Okay, maybe they do or they don't, but do you see where I'm going?Yes, straight to the land of unjustified supposition.

Apple has no obligation to support a closed system, which its said from the beginning the iPhone currently is. If it wants to keep the system closed, that's their right.Absolutely. However, proclaiming that something is the top smart phone and then neutering it is stupid.

Unlike you I haven't owned a zillion different phones...So you're speaking from no experience of the mobile phone market then?

but I HAVE owned many computers, both Apple and PC. Apple has ALWAYS maintain tight control over it's hardware and software development for it's OS... hence the reason not as much software is available for Mac.That and because it's market share doesn't justify the degree of third party support that MS based PCs does.

By keeping such tight control they can ensure better security and better performance. And it's NO SECRET.Do you really, really believe that?

I'll go one step further. iPod and DRM music starts becoming popular and a hacker creates a peace of software that removed the DRM of purchased music... not for illegal sharing, but so you can burn MP3 CDs from your purchased iTunes songs. Several iTunes versions later the "hole" is closed and that software ceases to function. It's within Apple's right to close that hole, and you could go as far to say it's their OBLIGATION to close that hole to protect the artists, record labels and publishers who own the rights to the songs. Sure, lots of people used the 3rd party app for perfectly legal reasons, but lots of people used it for ILLEGAL reasons as well. It creates a potential security breach that Apple MUST close.And they'd be right to do so. Please tell me how this affects an application like Flickr upload though? Are you seriously arguing that just because someone might write an app that's a bit naughty (and these already exist for S60 phones) that they should close down everything?

Again, Apple was clear about what the phone did and didn't do when you bought it. A little demo of the device would have answered all your questions prior to purchase. You didn't COUNT ON 3rd party apps because I'd bet you didn't even know they existed until you owned the phone. And if you DID, you were dumb, since Apple publicly stated from day 1 there would be no approved development kit for 3rd party software at this time.

Once again, please try to understand the difference between 'not supporting' and 'deliberately breaking'.

Then never update it. You can't have both. You can't have a properly functioning device loaded with unapproved, untrusted software AND your security updates and bug fixes.Yes you can. I own such a device as do thousands if not millions of other people.

There's no way Apple can write updates that won't, at some point, conflict with unapproved, untrusted software. There is a reason computer companies put out development kits... it's so that the developers FOLLOW THE RULES that won't break the device, create security problems, and create more bugs. It's so that they don't create software that will conflict with how the OS works so that when updates DO come out there aren't more problems. Since there is no approved development kit for now, anything on your phone that comes from a 3rd party is potentially built without thought to the entire OS itself and how future upgrades might effect it. There's been no extensive testing because it's only been 3 months and the developers don't even know everything to test for.Please try to... nah, you're just not getting it, are you?

I wouldn't buy a PS3 and expect to run photoshop on it.
I wouldn't buy a PC and cry that my WII games don't work right on it.
I could go on...You could but you'd be making more totally irrelevant statements. These apps were designed for the iPhone, not for any other device.

Okay, now who's acting like a child?You seem to have the debating skills of one.

You want yours to LOOK different? Are you mad that you can't customize the menu on your WII or your PS3? Let's get past the GUI looking different because that is just a dumb argument.Why? I can apply themes on my N95 so why not the iPhone?

As for your NEEDS being different, no one forced you to buy the iPhone. Yup, I said it. Like I said above, you didn't buy it based on 3rd party apps, and if you expected to be able to hack and mod it without problem, you came into the game very ignorant.Excuse me? If something is touted as a smart phone and the future of the mobile phone industry then, yes, we do expect to be able to add things to it.

Read above. If 3rd party software developers are given the development kit, they can safely develop without problem. If they hack and write unapproved software, there will be problems.No, there may be problems. I'd also point out there are often problems with legitimate software too.

Been down the Vista road yet? Heard about all the problems people have had upgrading and software not working, hardware not being recognized? Apple maintains tight control for a reason. It works for them.Given that Apple make the only platforms on which their software runs and given that MS have to cater for an almost infinite combination of components it's not surprising that MS Operating Systems take time to bed in. Vista runs fine on most systems and updates are released daily. SP1 will also correct some of the bigger issues around driver compatibility when it's released in early 2008.

All of which is still totally irrelevant to Apple deliberately breaking modified phones.

If you don't like it, sell your iPhone and buy something else.And there you have it. The last argument of the desperate.

Okay, now you are getting completely carried away. Apple is a corporation with a right to do business how it wants...Yup, and its customers have a right to go "Sod you, matey".

AND they are doing it how they always do. You aren't LOSING YOUR RIGHT - oh my god, I'm LOL at you - you could buy another phone if you don't like it. OMG, didn't you think of that??? Oh, and guess what... no where in the constitution does it say you have the right to buy an Apple iPhone and have it loaded up with untrusted, unsupport software. ROFL!I'm sorry, you're laughing at somebody for expecting a modern smart phone to be able to do what every other smart phone actually does as a matter of course?

Priceless. Utterly priceless.

It's been 3 months. Apple MAY open up a development kit for the iPhone, they just haven't yet.Jesus may return. It just hasn't happened yet.

Apple is already involving other companies, like Google, YouTube and Starbucks into the mix.Google apps available on any S60 phone already. YouTube mobile already available too. Starbucks... wtf? They sell coffee for goodness sakes!

[Sleeper]

Geez, on my MacPro I can run Parallels and having Windows apps run like a champ if I need to.Guess what? My PC can run these apps already because that's what it's designed to so! I don't have to install an emulator to do so.

Are they doing anything different or are they operating the way they always have? Pretty much the way they always have... tight control... and it works for them. But they can do it AND be innovative and cooperative.Innovative and co-operative? LOL! Read your post, dear. Your unconscious irony is amazing.

No one is controlling how you use your phone. Don't update until they open up an official development kit and say YES to 3rd party apps. You can't expect any company to support HACKING it's device... unless of course you're okay with all the spyware, trojans, and viruses that run amok on your PC on your iPhone and Mac OS too.You can run virus scanners on S60 phones. Oh and firewalls too.

Just so you know.

LOL guy next door appearance... again dude, you're getting a bit carried away here. Of COURSE he's a business man with the goal to make money.And with people liek you around he's always going to.

Everyone knows that. You had a choice just like the rest of us to give Apple your $$$.Perhaps his expectations are higher than yours?

All those little free unsupport, untrusted apps, well it's no ones job to make them work than the people who you downloaded them from... it's not up to Apple to make them work, or make them continue to work for you...But to actually break them? Is it their job to do that?

and considering there were articles all over the net about how Apple wasn't opening up the iPhone for 3rd party developers, you got exactly what you bargained for. Don't like it? Sell it.I think quite a few people will take you up on that.

Scream all you want, it's not going to change.

Not whilst people like you applaud Apple for their actions. Thankfully most of us have more sense.

[Swagger]

And the winner is, SLEEPER!!! Sleeper, you are the man. You just sent chills, down every Apple Fanboy's back. I am totally impressed!!! I'm driving and couldn't respond like you did. Thanks for the save..M:laugh2:

[DRabbit]

You're post is so long I can't include your replies, so bare with me while I try to reply.

Some of your random points first...

I was giving examples that were easy to follow. You obviously missed the point. Can you install Linux on your PS3? Sure you can, but if a future firmware update mucks up your PS3 you have no one to blame but yourself.

I don't know what you were trying to get at saying your PC runs Windows. I was referring to the fact that Apple makes it easy to run both, whether through an emulator or not. This was in response to innovation and the accusation that Apple is trying to prevent it somehow. Considering that out-of-the-box Leopard will give you the ability to run a dual boot system, OSX & Windows, on your Intel-Mac, I think it's a ridiculous argument to say they don't play nice with others or allow third party development. The iPhone has been out for only 3 months... they MAY offer an SDK in the future, but they aren't now. You CAN maintain tight control and still offer an environment of innovation - they are not mutually exclusive.

And you're telling me I can run virus scanners on my phone? Oh great, I'll look forward to that... NOT. Lets not go down this path. I don't WANT my iPhone to act like Windows, thank-you-very-much. That was sort of my point.

As for the update and the mods/hacks...

If an update from Apple closes a "hole" that was allowing these unsupported, untrusted apps in the first place, you CANNOT be surprised when Apple was clear from the beginning. Yup, it might have been intentional to close that "hole", and whether it was or not really doesn't matter... Apple was clear from day one it was not support 3rd party apps. If the result of closing that "hole" breaks said 3rd party apps, why are you surprised?

While you seem to think it's an argument of semantics to say "no one is asking them to support them, just not break them" you fail to realize that by allowing them to go on they are offering a sort-of unspoken support. I think the message is loud and clear now (though it should have been from the beginning)... they will not support 3rd party applications on the device.

I've already talked about the possible software issues (which you fail to ignore), but there was a discussion in another thread about the possible financial implications of this. Lets say some programming guru developes an app for the iPhone because the "hole" that allows 3rd party apps is still there... and they decide they are going to create LimeWire for iPhone. Not only does it now allow iPhone users to download illegal MP3s, but the software guru figures out how to get LimeWire iPhone edition to sync with iTunes.

You can see the conflict, can't you? It's bad financially for Apple, but it's also bad for their business model when they are trying to ensure the record companies they can keep this device locked down so people CAN'T access illegal music easily.

You say it's simple to block that? How? How to you block the development of just ONE type of software app? How do you block the ability to sync the illegal MP3 when your vision of future functionality of the iPhone might be to sync files to your desktop computer? How do you lock it down for just ONE possible application?

And this is but one example.

[Swagger]

DRabbit, amongst other things you are saying that make no sense. Limewire, iTunes??? Why would they just block it on the iPhone but allow the intergration of the two to work perfectly on computers??? Your arguments don't even hold water. Can't you see you are being slayed here??? Sleeper, Finish Him!!! M:angry:

[PussycatDoll]

Actually, the Limewire example made perfect sense...to someone who wants to get the point.

As a business person, I can accept and respect Apple's need to cover their @$$es. Good on them.

[DRabbit]

DRabbit, amongst other things you are saying that make no sense. Limewire, iTunes??? Why would they just block it on the iPhone but allow the intergration of the two to work perfectly on computers??? Your arguments don't even hold water. Can't you see you are being slayed here??? Sleeper, Finish Him!!! M:angry:

Did you ever think that's exactly what they are trying to avoid? OBVIOUSLY on a desktop computer you cannot avoid having to create an SDK for 3rd party software, since the whole goal of a desktop computer is to run software. You just made my point for me.

You CANNOT block one type of 3rd party app - or let me say, at least not easily. The WiFi iTunes store just rolled out. There may be plans for other types of software in the future that will utilize certain features we're not aware of yet, but that hackers/modders could take advantage of to get around security issues, and business issues. Six months from now Apple may be happy to provide a SDK once they've at least gotten a chance to get all their own apps on the device first and make sure security holes are as good and closed as they can.

Why would they want to allow LimeWire iPhone NOW? They don't. I'm sure they're not happy about it on the desktop platform but they cannot prevent it. For now they can, and do want to prevent it on the iPhone. Will it always be that way? I doubt it. But right now while they are working on getting all THEIR applications in place first, they are not offering a SDK. From a software AND business standpoint, it makes perfect sense.

[Swagger]

Actually, the Limewire example made perfect sense...to someone who wants to get the point.

As a business person, I can accept and respect Apple's need to cover their @$$es. Good on them.

If you honestly believe that, who am I to argue with you. I do think both of you are wrong though. The whole killing third party Apps thing isn't about DRM's, viruses or holes in the software. The killing of third party Apps is about Apple's control freak, Doesn't play well with others mentality/business model. Apple will never (and probably doesn't want to) gain significant market share with this attitude. Apple is on a roll right now, but they are pissing alot of customers off. When you buy something, it becomes yours. Customer's don't want to feel like they are being controlled by the seller. End of story!!! M

[PussycatDoll]

I think it's for a myriad of reasons-- and part of it (IMO) does have to do with Apple wanting to control it's product. But you know, at the end of the day, it is what it is. You agree to terms of service, you are warned, if you take the risk, then good on ya, mate, kwim? But you can't necessarily b!tch when they do what they "accidentally on purpose" anticipate (in terms of bricking phones)...you (in general) were warned.

Technically, the phone is mine. The software and updates are theirs. And again, it is what it is.

[Swagger]

I think it's for a myriad of reasons-- and part of it (IMO) does have to do with Apple wanting to control it's product. But you know, at the end of the day, it is what it is. You agree to terms of service, you are warned, if you take the risk, then good on ya, mate, kwim? But you can't necessarily b!tch when they do what they "accidentally on purpose" anticipate (in terms of bricking phones)...you (in general) were warned.

Technically, the phone is mine. The software and updates are theirs. And again, it is what it is.

Do I need to educate you on the difference between B**tching and commenting. The purpose of a forum is to express your views. Don't just come to the forum and start placing labels on people's comments. I don't know where you are from, but here in the U.S., we still practice some form of freedom of speech..M

[PussycatDoll]

Thanks for the civics lesson.

However, I believe I stated "you" in general terms. Ease up dude. It's just a phone. I'm sure someone else will think of new ways to hack it. Until then, I'm sure everyone will have fun (or lackthereof) using the product as Apple intended.

[Sleeper]

You're post is so long I can't include your replies, so bare with me while I try to reply.

You can split your reply into two or more posts you know.

Some of your random points first...

Uh... they're not random points they're replies to points you made. You really should understand that.
I was giving examples that were easy to follow. You obviously missed the point.

No, you were giving examples that were totally irrelevant. Halo 3 will not run on a PS3 because it was never designed to do so. On the other hand the third party apps were specifically designed for the iPhone.

So no, I didn't miss the point, you made an apples and oranges comparison and you got called on it. Understand?

Can you install Linux on your PS3? Sure you can, but if a future firmware update mucks up your PS3 you have no one to blame but yourself.

If you had read my post I clearly state that all hardware providers have caveats about installing third party software on them. What they don't do, aside from Apple, is deliberately go out of their way to prevent their usage and damage the unit.

That's the difference.

I don't know what you were trying to get at saying your PC runs Windows. I was referring to the fact that Apple makes it easy to run both, whether through an emulator or not.

And my point was that PCs don't need to because they can run everything they need. The fact that Macs need to have two operating systems to access commonly used applications speaks more about them than PCs.

However, it's still irrelevant - we're not talking about what Apple allows (under license from Microsoft), we're talking about what Apple doesn't allow on its iPhone.

This was in response to innovation and the accusation that Apple is trying to prevent it somehow.

Excuse me? Preventing the usage of third party apps isn't preventing innovation?

My word!

Considering that out-of-the-box Leopard will give you the ability to run a dual boot system, OSX & Windows, on your Intel-Mac, I think it's a ridiculous argument to say they don't play nice with others or allow third party development.

Once again, we're not talking about PCs here, we're talking about the iPhone for which they most definitely do not encourage third party development.

The iPhone has been out for only 3 months... they MAY offer an SDK in the future, but they aren't now. You CAN maintain tight control and still offer an environment of innovation - they are not mutually exclusive.

The N95 has been out for about 9. It had access to thousands of third party apps from day one, none of whcih caused significant issues so your argument is a poor one.

And you're telling me I can run virus scanners on my phone? Oh great, I'll look forward to that... NOT. Lets not go down this path. I don't WANT my iPhone to act like Windows, thank-you-very-much. That was sort of my point.

And yet you raised the specter of viruses and Trojans did you not? If you're going to do this then it's reasonable to point out that defences exist to combat these.

Oh and S60 isn't Windows based. So your argument doesn't apply anyway.

As for the update and the mods/hacks...

If an update from Apple closes a "hole" that was allowing these unsupported, untrusted apps in the first place, you CANNOT be surprised when Apple was clear from the beginning. Yup, it might have been intentional to close that "hole", and whether it was or not really doesn't matter... Apple was clear from day one it was not support 3rd party apps. If the result of closing that "hole" breaks said 3rd party apps, why are you surprised?

So that explains why it closes nearly all apps and bricks phones then does it? They all depend on this mysterious hole do they?

Please.

While you seem to think it's an argument of semantics to say "no one is asking them to support them, just not break them" you fail to realize that by allowing them to go on they are offering a sort-of unspoken support.

And this would be a bad thing because...? Most smart phone manufacturers encourage third party development because it makes their units more attractive to the buyer. You're either suggesting that Apple have missed the boat here or that they're acting in the customer's best interests to protect them which is clearly nonsense.

I think the message is loud and clear now (though it should have been from the beginning)... they will not support 3rd party applications on the device.

Great. Well done to Apple on just killing a significant amount of its potential market share not to mention alienating a significant number of its adherents who are suddenly waking up to find out that Uncle Steve is not the benefactor they thought he was.

Point is I - and I suspect others - will not be buying one now. After all, what's the point? I can get an iTouch for the features and a decent smart phone for the rest.

I've already talked about the possible software issues (which you fail to ignore)

But you're talking nonsense. As mentioned S60 has been in usage for years and no really significant issues have arisen.

but there was a discussion in another thread about the possible financial implications of this. Lets say some programming guru developes an app for the iPhone because the "hole" that allows 3rd party apps is still there... and they decide they are going to create LimeWire for iPhone.

Some guru has already done this for S60 phones. It's called Symella. I didn't notice the market crashing because of it.

Not only does it now allow iPhone users to download illegal MP3s, but the software guru figures out how to get LimeWire iPhone edition to sync with iTunes.

I hate to break it to you but hacks for iTunes to load illegal music on to your iPod or phone have existed for years.

You can see the conflict, can't you? It's bad financially for Apple, but it's also bad for their business model when they are trying to ensure the record companies they can keep this device locked down so people CAN'T access illegal music easily.

But they can already do this through their PCs or Macs and, as mentioned, you can already do it through any S60 phone. The point is that it's not a big enough threat to be worth bothering with as most people use high speed broadband to file share, not mobile phones because they're just too slow in comparison.

You say it's simple to block that?

Really? Just where do I say that?

How? How to you block the development of just ONE type of software app? How do you block the ability to sync the illegal MP3 when your vision of future functionality of the iPhone might be to sync files to your desktop computer? How do you lock it down for just ONE possible application?

Mainly by suing the IPs that support the clusters and closing them down. Oh and your carrier blocking the addresses.

Thing is though, it's not worth the bother for the reasons outlined above - the benefits of having third party software outweigh the issues it may cause.

And this is but one example.

And, as shown, an extremely poor one.

[Sleeper]

Actually, the Limewire example made perfect sense...to someone who wants to get the point.

As a business person, I can accept and respect Apple's need to cover their @$$es. Good on them.

No it doesn't because Gnutella apps already exist for S60 phones and they've had no perceptible affect on the music markets.

So you really don't understand the issue at all I'm afraid.

[tobey]

I think guys/girls like you create an account just to complain about the people YOU say are complaining. You have not written one positive post, helping anyone. No one twisted your arm to read our comments (not complaints). Why don't you (since you are here) start your own thread for Mac/Apple loving Fanboys, then you will only see post's geared toward, "Whatever Apple does right or wrong, I still love them". We are sick of people like you complaining about the complaining (which you don't uderstand, is healthy dialogue). BTW: AppTapp and all the wonderful Apps are free also, so what is your point, or do you even know what your point is??? M

Cry me a river.

Maybe go back and re-read ALL of my post a few times and PM me with questions rather than trying to flex your internet muscles in a public forum. I count 9 threads that I've posted in and in 5 of them, I'm either asking a technical question or posting information to help someone else. The other 4 threads are foolish talk so I'm joining in the fun.


While this update may not be huge, it's a decent update (and HELLO, it's free).

People's exectations are too high, with every update there is all this speculation about crazy new apps and gizmos that will change the world. It's not going to happen people, and it's certainly not going to happen with every monthly update, so chill out and be patient.

Since this update sucks so bad, we should all throw a huge internet fit and write nasty, rude emails to Apple. Heck maybe even a lawsuit should be filed. Yeah, that will fix them real good...

:gasp:

The point of my post is that, it's like someone's handing out $100 bills and people start complaining because they're not handing out $500 bills. Everyone here knew what was coming with the update and yet still people went through and continued to gossip like some huge update was coming that would allow your phone to take you out to dinner and wash your car. Get over it already, you got iTunes access for your phone for free - that's more than you had on Wednesday. It's better than nothing.

It's like a forum full of victims.

[Swagger]

Cry me a river.

Maybe go back and re-read ALL of my post a few times and PM me with questions rather than trying to flex your internet muscles in a public forum. I count 9 threads that I've posted in and in 5 of them, I'm either asking a technical question or posting information to help someone else. The other 4 threads are foolish talk so I'm joining in the fun.




The point of my post is that, it's like someone's handing out $100 bills and people start complaining because they're not handing out $500 bills. Everyone here knew what was coming with the update and yet still people went through and continued to gossip like some huge update was coming that would allow your phone to take you out to dinner and wash your car. Get over it already, you got iTunes access for your phone for free - that's more than you had on Wednesday. It's better than nothing.

It's like a forum full of victims.

If you call sacrificing 50 Apps to gain 1 App, more than what you had Wednesday, then you sir, missed mathematics class...M

[DisneyEcho]

Maybe we can drop it now that the forum on hackint0sh.org has a post about how to back out of version 1.1.1

I saw it in a topic on Everything iPhone's forum but I'm on my iPhone right now so can't copy and paste the URL, sorry.

Anyone hacked a copy and paste function yet? That's what I really want.

[tobey]

If you call sacrificing 50 Apps to gain 1 App, more than what you had Wednesday, then you sir, missed mathematics class...M

I didn't sacrifice a thing with the update, and I'm willing to bet (if you updated) that your phone is working better and has more features than the day you unwrapped it.

[iphonecrazyy]

Stop whining and just go downgrade if you want your apps back: http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/good-news-downgrade-to-1-0-2-a-13118.html

[Swagger]

Stop whining and just go downgrade if you want your apps back: http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone/good-news-downgrade-to-1-0-2-a-13118.html


I'm not stupid, I never upgraded, if you had of read my post's you would have seen that. I was debating principle, not it happened to me..M

[SmartAlx]

LOL, you're funny! I didn't expect actual LOGIC to change your mind at all. Unlike you, I don't EXPECT things to be a certain way unrealistically. :tounge:Heh. Logic. Did you ever study the subject? I csnt begin to tell you how many logical fallacies you made in your tirade.

[SmartAlx]

As for reading comprehension, mine is just urs needs a little help since you didn't understand that Apple wasn't going to support 3rd party apps... oh, yeah, and that warning last week about how unsupported software could muck up your phone or void your warranty.Ok I must need to apologize because MY reading comprehension isnt as clairvoyant as yours. Mine only has the ability to allow me to read things that I actually see. So can you please show me precisely where you found that Aople said that using 3rd party software (not unlocking software) would muck up my phone and void the warranty?

I'm sure you'll find something but it will be about unlocking software, or taken from "a guy who heard from Apple" rather than from Apple itself.

And your grammar lesson for the day: "its" is the posessive form of "it". "It's" means "it is." Using the proper word keeps you from damaging your credibility with careless typing.

[DRabbit]

Ok I must need to apologize because MY reading comprehension isnt as clairvoyant as yours. Mine only has the ability to allow me to read things that I actually see. So can you please show me precisely where you found that Aople said that using 3rd party software (not unlocking software) would muck up my phone and void the warranty?

It's right in the EULA. You're not allow to modify the software on the phone, and doing so voids you warranty.

"you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone Software, iPhone Software Updates, or any part thereof."

"Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the iPhone Software and iPhone Software Updates."

"YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE iPHONE SOFTWARE AND iPHONE SOFTWARE UPDATES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU. INSTALLATION OF THIS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."

[geordisjd]

DRabbit, you're wasting your time. It doesn't matter how many times you tell them the obvious. They are not listening. It's not worth it.

As Carl Sagan once said, paraphrasing the irrationals in denial: "My mind is already made up, don't bother me with the truth or the obvious".


It's right in the EULA. You're not allow to modify the software on the phone, and doing so voids you warranty.

"you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone Software, iPhone Software Updates, or any part thereof."

"Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the iPhone Software and iPhone Software Updates."

"YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE iPHONE SOFTWARE AND iPHONE SOFTWARE UPDATES IS ADRT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU. INSTALLATION OF THIS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."

[burniksapwet]

It's right in the EULA. You're not allow to modify the software on the phone, and doing so voids you warranty.

"you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone Software, iPhone Software Updates, or any part thereof."

"Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the iPhone Software and iPhone Software Updates."

"YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE iPHONE SOFTWARE AND iPHONE SOFTWARE UPDATES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU. INSTALLATION OF THIS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."
I think he is asking you where you saw this when you first bought the iphone. Not after the fact that apple found out that people are able to unlock their phone.

[SmartAlx]

Thank you for going through the trouble to search DRabbit, but I’m afraid that what you have found does not quite answer my question. It doesn’t show where in the EULA that 3rd party software would muck up my phone.

Let me show you.

It's right in the EULA. You're not allow to modify the software on the phone, and doing so voids you warranty.Let’s examine this claim…
"you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone Software, iPhone Software Updates, or any part thereof."This I might or might not be doing when I do install software, but my question was about the warranty being voided because of the software mucking up the phone."Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the iPhone Software and iPhone Software Updates."Ok. Naturally, the warranty will be voided. But again, not because of the software mucking up the phone.


Let’s look at the interesting paragraph now…
"YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE iPHONE SOFTWARE AND iPHONE SOFTWARE UPDATES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU.Which software would I be installing that would be at my risk? 3rd party software? Or Apples?

Apple’s.

INSTALLATION OF THIS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."Which software would cause the problem again? Apple's. That's right. All they say about the 3rd party software is that the update might mess THAT up. But nothing about the 3rd party software mucking up the phone.

If anything they are admitting that their update might muck up the phone, and it might muck up 3rd party software. But they say nothing about 3rd party software mucking up the phone.

Not in the paragraphs that you have listed anyway.

But thank you for looking. I appreciate the effort.