Waaahhhh!

[The Toddfather]

Quit your whining.

Here are a few facts:

No one forced you to buy it at $600

Apple is a publicly traded company that has an obligation to make money for it's shareholders

You received no guarantee that the price would be set at $600

If you didn't like it, you should've taken it back

Grow up.

[Giies]

it seems like you are whining right now......my suggestion is stop reading...go to a different section.

[ps49556n]

Quit your whining.

Here are a few facts:

No one forced you to buy it at $600

Apple is a publicly traded company that has an obligation to make money for it's shareholders

You received no guarantee that the price would be set at $600

If you didn't like it, you should've taken it back

Grow up.

well said....

[gcvt]

Hear! Hear! Nicely put!

"Waaaaaah, Apple presented me with a prodcuct and I bought it. Now I want some of my money back. Waaaaaah!"

Cry us a river.

I heard GMC just lowered the prices on their trucks. If you bought one recently, Rick Wagoner owes you some money back. Waaaaaah.

[connie]

Quit your whining.

Here are a few facts:

No one forced you to buy it at $600

Apple is a publicly traded company that has an obligation to make money for it's shareholders

You received no guarantee that the price would be set at $600

If you didn't like it, you should've taken it back

Grow up.

BS-this is just bad business and not good for their reputation with loyal customers. Read it for yourself all over this forum. We have a right to complain. We were royally screwed by Apple. I for one worked hard for my money. Yah no one told me to go out and buy one but i did trusting Apple's reputation. I now have a phone that they are no longer making and could have had double the space for $100 less than I paid for the 4g just a few weeks ago. So don't tell me quit whining. I feel violated and cheated and rightfully so!!!!

[ps49556n]

I can't wait to hear artie say "wahhhhhhhh I bought an iphone for $600 now it is $400 wahhhhhhhhhhh"

[tw0k1ngs]

I certainly hope you all aren't Apple users, because I always considered other Apple users my "bretheren"... if I passed by someone with a MBP we would always give the "Apple" nod...

I always enjoyed being a part of the "Apple cult" more because of the community of Apple users rather than the technological "leaps and bounds"...

I always thought Apple users stuck by each other... and you just mock your fellow brothers.

Now I realize it isn't Steve Jobs that is taking away the feeling of loyalty and comfort of being an Apple user, its you...

[Indy]

BS-this is just bad business and not good for their reputation with loyal customers. Read it for yourself all over this forum. We have a right to complain. We were royally screwed by Apple. I for one worked hard for my money. Yah no one told me to go out and buy one but i did trusting Apple's reputation. I now have a phone that they are no longer making and could have had double the space for $100 less than I paid for the 4g just a few weeks ago. So don't tell me quit whining. I feel violated and cheated and rightfully so!!!!

You 4 giggers really did get screwed the most.

I think if anything were to happen, they should atleast allow people that bought a 4 gig to be able to return it for an 8!

Sux to be you! No wait, you have an iphone, i don't! Sux to be me!!!:tounge:

[connie]

Lol, that would be great, I think I would feel better if they gave me a 8g. At least it would save reputation as far as my bad mouthing them to no end.

[dkny18]

People on this forum thought I was crazy to return my iPhone 13 days after purchasing. I now am glad I did. Sure, I wasted about $100 for the restocking and activation fee, but I knew I'd be saving myself a lot of trouble down the road.

Why? Because this phone is total hype. I bought into it just as any other Apple-loyalist would. I hated the battery, I hated typing on it, the call quality and speakerphone were poor, 2 year contract -- and Edge -- don't EVEN get me started.

Here's my point: I think everyone is so angry about the price drop because they know, at the end of the day, the phone was never really worth $600, even if you were the first person on the planet to own one. Apple knew they'd get the diehards -- and they did. Now they need the mass market. They obviously aren't selling enough units.

Personally, I'll wait til MOST of the kinks are worked out.

[Postalgeek]

I feel violated and cheated and rightfully so!!!!


I didn't know iphone had a fondle feature

[gcvt]

I didn't know iphone had a fondle feature

LOL! It doesn't, but it does have a vibrate feature. Google "ibrate" :wink:

[tharmsen]

I always thought Apple users stuck by each other... and you just mock your fellow brothers.

Oh please. The "Apple screwed me" people are giving us a bad name. You'll notice the Apple "brethren" are sticking by Apple because we know their recent moves were made to strengthen Apples market share and that their actions were precedented. In other words, Apple didn't do anything unique today, certainly nothing every other electronics manufacturer hasn't done countless times before.

If you want to harp on someone for breaking the "Apple code", harp on those people that constantly deride the iPhone and Apple in general.

[4mula1]

You'll notice the Apple "brethren" are sticking by Apple because we know their recent moves were made to strengthen Apples market share
Guess you didnt notice Apple stock fell 3.5% after the announcement! I guess smart business people recognize stupid business moves!

[ejmonkey3]

nicely put. im sick of whiners to. remember everyone its all of the money for every company and by this drop they will get more. i know 4 people who said they wouldnt get an iphone untill a drop in price and now today got one.

[tw0k1ngs]

Oh please. The "Apple screwed me" people are giving us a bad name. You'll notice the Apple "brethren" are sticking by Apple because we know their recent moves were made to strengthen Apples market share and that their actions were precedented. In other words, Apple didn't do anything unique today, certainly nothing every other electronics manufacturer hasn't done countless times before.

If you want to harp on someone for breaking the "Apple code", harp on those people that constantly deride the iPhone and Apple in general.

Who ****** seriously "sticks with Apple" because of their market share? The suits, that's who.... and Apple users certainly aren't made up of such loyal "business only" customers.

Don't act like this is some huge surprise that Apple customers feel a sense of "closeness" towards Apple...

[ahaxton]

Well if the job of the whole price drop was to make more money for Apple and its shareholders, hmmm why do it on the same day you change your entire music product line and announce a new product.

Its been iPhone price drop talk all day. They even mentioned it on Cable news (with no mention of the new ipod touch).

And of course the stock price drop.

I hope it drops like a brick tomorrow.

[tharmsen]

I guess you guys missed that the entire market has been in a slide for weeks. Lol.

[ahaxton]

I guess you guys missed that the entire market has been in a slide for weeks. Lol.

Uhhh todays price drop is directly related to the iPhone outrage. If you aren't into the markets, it was on cable news today.

[The Toddfather]

Uhhh todays price drop is directly related to the iPhone outrage. If you aren't into the markets, it was on cable news today.

My guess is the people complaining about the drop in price don't own AAPL, so I doubt it played a role in the decline of the stock.

P.S. Both NASDAQ and the DJI were down today, as were Sun, Intel, Cisco, MicroSoft, RIM and SanDisk. Did they discount their products too today?

[ahaxton]

My guess is the people complaining about the drop in price don't own AAPL, so I doubt it played a role in the decline of the stock.

P.S. Both NASDAQ and the DJI were down today, as were Sun, Intel, Cisco, MicroSoft, RIM and SanDisk. Did they discount their products too today?

Did they announce new products and a revamped line?

You better believe it there are plenty of shareholders who don't like this price drop one bit.

And what percentage of threads on the forums and news sites are actually about the new iPod products? A tiny fraction compared to the backlash of the price drop

[The Toddfather]

And what percentage of threads on the forums and news sites are actually about the new iPod products? A tiny fraction compared to the backlash of the price drop

Because there are a bunch of people who don't understand the basic premise of retail sales - if the product doesn't move fast enough you must discount it. Your assertion that shareholders are unhappy is silly, Apple will sell more phones, gain market share and put more dollars to the bottom line.

[ahaxton]

Because there are a bunch of people who don't understand the basic premise of retail sales - if the product doesn't move fast enough you must discount it. Your assertion that shareholders are unhappy is silly, Apple will sell more phones, gain market share and put more dollars to the bottom line.

Well I'll do whatever I can as an individual to make Apple hurt and encourage everyone else to as well.

[geordisjd]

My guess is the people complaining about the drop in price don't own AAPL, so I doubt it played a role in the decline of the stock.

P.S. Both NASDAQ and the DJI were down today, as were Sun, Intel, Cisco, MicroSoft, RIM and SanDisk. Did they discount their products too today?

I like you, Toddfather. I've always liked the Voice of Reason, especially when illogical comments are overwhelming my senses. Where do you want to meet for lunch? I'm footing the bill.

[geordisjd]

Well I'll do whatever I can as an individual to make Apple hurt and encourage everyone else to as well.

Why should I boycott a company that has increased my investments by more than 800% in 6 years? Why don't you go after Microsoft instead? How many people have died from stroking out after suffering from another software bug attack? How many more have been seriously sickened by lack of memory after upgrading to Vista, even losing their peripherals?
And then, there is the Zune disaster. So ugly that it won first place in the worst dressed category. A catastrophic adventure in bad taste.

[Mactech]

I don’t think I am whining, I bet most of you who are calling those of us complaining about the price drop don’t even own an iPhone so it does not matter to you.

However as a certified Apple Mac tech and server systems administrator for both Mac and Wintel platforms, this is something directly out of Microsoft’s book of tricks.

There is a difference from a price drop. A poster wrote comparing a GMC truck price drop, how ridiculous of a comparison is that? Thats not a price drop that’s a sale price.
Here is the correct comparison. Simple enough analogy.

That same GMC truck costs $45,000. You buy one and two months later GMC drops the price to 27,000. That would really piss you off would it not?
I bet it would, the price drop should have been $50.00 - $75.00 maybe $100.00.

I can care less about those that call me a whiner, I own it, going to keep most likely, however I just purchased a brand new 15” MacBook Pro. Less than 6 days, I am already making plans to take it back and get my 2,000 back. I really see the items (High ticket items) jumping off the shelves at the Apple store (not) (sarcasm) so I guess Apple don’t care about my 2,000 because maybe, just maybe some other guy will come right up and plunk down 2,000 for a new laptop.

[ahaxton]

Why should I boycott a company that has increased my investments by more than 800% in 6 years? Why don't you go after Microsoft instead? How many people have died from stroking out after suffering from another software bug attack? How many more have been seriously sickened by lack of memory after upgrading to Vista, even losing their peripherals?
And then, there is the Zune disaster. So ugly that it won first place in the worst dressed category. A catastrophic adventure in bad taste.

Microsoft is right around the same status as Apple with me starting today if reparations aren't made.

[The Toddfather]

I don’t think I am whining, I bet most of you who are calling those of us complaining about the price drop don’t even own an iPhone so it does not matter to you.
Wrong. I waited in line day one, made my purchase at 6:20 p.m. and love the iPhone. While there are a few issues I would like to see resolved, it is a great product that will now be available to more people because of the price drop.

Thank you for a fine product Mr. Jobs, worth every dime I paid.

[geordisjd]

I don’t think I am whining, I bet most of you who are calling those of us complaining about the price drop don’t even own an iPhone so it does not matter to you.

However as a certified Apple Mac tech and server systems administrator for both Mac and Wintel platforms, this is something directly out of Microsoft’s book of tricks.

There is a difference from a price drop. A poster wrote comparing a GMC truck price drop, how ridiculous of a comparison is that? Thats not a price drop that’s a sale price.
Here is the correct comparison. Simple enough analogy.

That same GMC truck costs $45,000. You buy one and two months later GMC drops the price to 27,000. That would really piss you off would it not?
I bet it would, the price drop should have been $50.00 - $75.00 maybe $100.00.

I can care less about those that call me a whiner, I own it, going to keep most likely, however I just purchased a brand new 15” MacBook Pro. Less than 6 days, I am already making plans to take it back and get my 2,000 back. I really see the items (High ticket items) jumping off the shelves at the Apple store (not) (sarcasm) so I guess Apple don’t care about my 2,000 because maybe, just maybe some other guy will come right up and plunk down 2,000 for a new laptop.

Unlike DNA, technology evolves extremely rapidly. We thought we'd be on Mars by now, driving flying cars on this planet. Instead computers, internet, communications, nanotechnology took off and were not even predicted.
I bought a generation 4 iPod for $399. 2 weeks later, without warning, the video iPod was out. I was mildly pissed off for a day, then I bought 2 video iPods and put the generation 4 in my car where it still entertains me on the way to work.
Just evolve with it!!!
Until some idiot drops a few large nukes on the planet, or some 7 mile-long asteroid plunges in the Pacific Ocean, or some super-Ebola virus overwhelms the human race (OK, make that a Vancomycin-resistant staph), this is the way it's going to be.

I'm not mad at Apple. I may not completely understand their strategies to get what they want, but I know 2 things: they want to broaden their market and make money (surprise, anybody?). They also think outside the box and strive to be different, They give us quality products the other guys haven't thought about. They delight those of us who are sensitive to esthetically pleasing stuff, even at a cost.

And did I mention I loved my iPhone? It's been the best instant-gratification device I've ever had. I'm not going to ***** about $200. I'm happy. I'll buy the next one.

[The Toddfather]

I like you, Toddfather. I've always liked the Voice of Reason, especially when illogical comments are overwhelming my senses. Where do you want to meet for lunch? I'm footing the bill.

Drop me a line when you're in Denver my friend, my treat!

[geordisjd]

Drop me a line when you're in Denver my friend, my treat!

I live in Denver. The clear air must be doing more than unclogging sinuses. I bet the crisp and pure, yet rarified oxygen, stimulates cortical function in those precious neurones of mature brains!*

* Based on an almost double-blinded, somewhat placebo-controlled trial of mine

[The Toddfather]

I live in Denver. The clear air must be doing more than unclogging sinuses. I bet the crisp and pure, yet rarified oxygen, stimulates cortical function in those precious neurones of mature brains!*

* Based on an almost double-blinded, somewhat placebo-controlled trial of mine

Must be the air my friend.

First time I can recall where people were upset a company lowered it's price. If $200 has a substantial effect on your life, you probably shouldn't have bought the iPhone.

[iPaul]

Personally, I'm not going to evicerate myself at the thought of losing $200, although the principle of the announcement coupled with with no new functionality for exisitng users except advertising icons forced on our phones is a defininatly not looking after existing users.

Bottom line, however is business is business. Apple is not my buddy, it's a huge company with billions of dollars in revenue - so if the end result is free stuff or a rebate for the consumer... hey, all this whining and negative press is great! I could care less about signal to noise on an internet messageboard or hurting Steve's feelings.

[rumpelgeist]

Quit your whining.

Here are a few facts:

No one forced you to buy it at $600

Apple is a publicly traded company that has an obligation to make money for it's shareholders

You received no guarantee that the price would be set at $600

If you didn't like it, you should've taken it back

Grow up.

AMEN BROTHER! I *LOVE* my $600.00 iPhone!

Rumpelgeist

[rumpelgeist]

BS-this is just bad business and not good for their reputation with loyal customers. Read it for yourself all over this forum. We have a right to complain. We were royally screwed by Apple. I for one worked hard for my money. Yah no one told me to go out and buy one but i did trusting Apple's reputation. I now have a phone that they are no longer making and could have had double the space for $100 less than I paid for the 4g just a few weeks ago. So don't tell me quit whining. I feel violated and cheated and rightfully so!!!!

I gotta tell ya, Connie, I am a VERY loyal Apple customer. I own two iPhones, three iPods and an iMac.

This doesn't change my opinion of them one little bit. They are the best. I love their products and will continue to buy them, price drops, price raises, whatever.

So, in my case at least, your assertion that this will affect their reputation with loyal customers is just not true, since I am a loyal customer, and it hasn't affected my opinion of Apple in the slightest.

Rumpelgeist

[prolix21]

ah, finally a thread made up of sane people. seriously, the whiners about this 200$ thing are getting real old. someone needs to lock the threads. if 200$ affects you enough to create this much chaos in your life, something is wrong with your priorities (or you shouldn't be spending 600$ on a phone in the first place).

no matter what the technology or product is, early adopters always pay more. that's life. same for stuff like HD dvd/blueray. People are buying that stuff up, do you think the price won't drop considerably? Think they will be pissed that their 500$ dvd player is now on sale at walmart for 200$?

[rumpelgeist]

Because there are a bunch of people who don't understand the basic premise of retail sales - if the product doesn't move fast enough you must discount it. Your assertion that shareholders are unhappy is silly, Apple will sell more phones, gain market share and put more dollars to the bottom line.

Here, here.

Well said, my good man.

Rumpelgeist

[Hecubus]

I've had mac products since the original iMac, which I bought on day one (loved it.)
I used to own an iBook (loved it.)
I've had several iPods, including nano's and shuffles (loved all of them.)
I bought a MBP last year (currently loving it long time.)
I bought my iPhone in July for $600, and aside from minor complaints, it's the best cell phone I've ever owned.

But this weekend I'm going to the Apple store to give them a piece of my...






...paycheck. To further demonstrate my support for Apple products, I'm going to buy a Macbook and a new Nano for my fiance' as a wedding present (we get married in October.)

Seriously, are people now embarrassed by their iPhones? Last week and since June 29th everyone has been prancing around like the **** of the walk, talking about how everyone wanted to touch their precious iPhone, and how everyone else was so jealous (or pissed off) that you had one and they didn't. It's just a piece of technology designed to serve you.

I sort of understand being angry (thought I'm not), but as others have stated, it does not mean the iPhone is any less cool or functional now than when you paid $600.

If you want to fight to get some cash back, more power to you--for all the angst and stress and disappointment it will cause. So go for it, and write questionable to deceitful posts on this forum about how you kicked ass and yelled at the manager or Apple support and caused a scene and got your money back, if it will make you feel better. I will certainly enjoy reading and chuckling over them.

[The Toddfather]

I've had mac products since the original iMac, which I bought on day one (loved it.)
I used to own an iBook (loved it.)
I've had several iPods, including nano's and shuffles (loved all of them.)
I bought a MBP last year (currently loving it long time.)
I bought my iPhone in July for $600, and aside from minor complaints, it's the best cell phone I've ever owned.

But this weekend I'm going to the Apple store to give them a piece of my...






...paycheck. To further demonstrate my support for Apple products, I'm going to buy a Macbook and a new Nano for my fiance' as a wedding present (we get married in October.)

Seriously, are people now embarrassed by their iPhones? Last week and since June 29th everyone has been prancing around like the **** of the walk, talking about how everyone wanted to touch their precious iPhone, and how everyone else was so jealous (or pissed off) that you had one and they didn't. It's just a piece of technology designed to serve you.

I sort of understand being angry (thought I'm not), but as others have stated, it does not mean the iPhone is any less cool or functional now than when you paid $600.

If you want to fight to get some cash back, more power to you--for all the angst and stress and disappointment it will cause. So go for it, and write questionable to deceitful posts on this forum about how you kicked ass and yelled at the manager or Apple support and caused a scene and got your money back, if it will make you feel better. I will certainly enjoy reading and chuckling over them.
Well done, Hecubus!

Mr. Jobs has proved once again why we spend our hard earned dollars on his superior products and customer service with his peace offering to all the complainers.

[connie]

These forums are here for everyone to able to discuss whatever opinion they might have. We are in America and have the right to an opinion thats why it's so great. If we all had your opinion it would be boring. Lots of people here are upset but that doesn't mean they should close these threads. You can go on being a loyal Apple customer, I am not telling you that you shouldn't, I am just speaking how I feel. No need not to be nice because I gave my input. I am just saying I will now always be very leary of buying anything from Apple at release, but that doesn't mean you have to be.:frown:

[tharmsen]

I don’t think I am whining, I bet most of you who are calling those of us complaining about the price drop don’t even own an iPhone so it does not matter to you.
Ok, I'm going to keep a list of the "silliest comments made" during this fiasco. We'll have to vote on them once the hoopla dies down and have a chuckle.

[tharmsen]

...paycheck. To further demonstrate my support for Apple products, I'm going to buy a Macbook and a new Nano for my fiance' as a wedding present (we get married in October.)

I'm with ya brother! I'm buying my fiance a iPod Touch next week for her wedding present (or one of them). When I showed her the new iPod's she was so excited... she really wants one and I just can't say no to her.

It sucks my iPhone has all the features plus more of the latest generation iPods... because I have the urge to buy a new iPod Nano with video just 'because'. They look so freaking cool.

[Hecubus]

I'm with ya brother! I'm buying my fiance a iPod Touch next week for her wedding present (or one of them). When I showed her the new iPod's she was so excited... she really wants one and I just can't say no to her.

Awesome! Congrats on your engagement and marriage! Hope she enjoys the new iPod.

[The Toddfather]

Ok, I'm going to keep a list of the "silliest comments made" during this fiasco. We'll have to vote on them once the hoopla dies down and have a chuckle.
I can't wait for the list.:laugh2:

[ahaxton]

I can't wait for the list.:laugh2:

I hope I win

[seb481]

I hope I win
You may win the silliest comment but I will probably win the angriest! hehe

[Mactech]

It does not matter now anyway, now that Apple is giving the $100.00 credit.




These forums are here for everyone to able to discuss whatever opinion they might have. We are in America and have the right to an opinion thats why it's so great. If we all had your opinion it would be boring. Lots of people here are upset but that doesn't mean they should close these threads. You can go on being a loyal Apple customer, I am not telling you that you shouldn't, I am just speaking how I feel. No need not to be nice because I gave my input. I am just saying I will now always be very leary of buying anything from Apple at release, but that doesn't mean you have to be.:frown:

[ahaxton]

It does not matter now anyway, now that Apple is giving the $100.00 credit.

Honestly we shouldn't roll over for anything less than $200

[snaggle]

Honestly we shouldn't roll over for anything less than $200

Are you still at it?

Can you PLEASE ... give it up?

You are 100% WRONG - and you are [negatively] affecting my investment in AAPL.

[ahaxton]

Are you still at it?

Can you PLEASE ... give it up?

You are 100% WRONG - and you are [negatively] affecting my investment in AAPL.

Apple is doing a fine job of that by themselves.

[Mactech]

I don't think that I am being silly because I have an opinion. So what? I complained here on the message board, you all seem to forget that Steve J admitted that they should have taken better care of the early adopters.

I see allot of trash talking on the boards and am hoping Chris the admin will put down the hammer on these threads. For those of us that actually have contributed on this board with constructive statements and then there is those of you in this thread that seem to still yap about the whiners. The point is that Steve admitted that Apple was wrong, simple vindication for the early adopters, i'll take the $100.00 credit thank you and be on my way.

oh... And while I am on my soap box, I am glad for those of you that like your Apple products, and continue to support Apple.

I do as well, in-fact I have my iPhone 8GB, and this brand new 15" MacBook Pro with glossy screen I'm using to type this. less than 7 days old, am I going to return it? no...
I like the products, I support the products for the company I work for. I have Apple certifications as well as Wintel at my own expense for training and education, big deal, I use work for a company in Cupertino in the mid to late 90's till the dot bomb days, that was in the original Apple buildings and my ol' CEO is best friends with Steve J. I used to see him almost every day.

I use to setup Steve's 5300 running Classic OS for presentations and setting up hos own Nortel phone and his own line on our campus. He use to have or drive a Acura NSX. I can go on and on. Apple was one of our biggest customers, we were their ad agency of choice back then.

The point is nobody here should have the right to put me or the others down because we choose to voice an opinion. What you all are basically doing is saying we’ll bully those of you who choose to make a complaint no matter how stupid the comments or rants may be.

Yes some of the comments are silly, some are downright stupid including some of my own rants, but if one can’t make fun of yourself then who eh?

[ahaxton]

I don't think that I am being silly because I have an opinion. So what? I complained here on the message board, you all seem to forget that Steve J admitted that they should have taken better care of the early adopters.

I see allot of trash talking on the boards and am hoping Chris the admin will put down the hammer on these threads. For those of us that actually have contributed on this board with constructive statements and then there is those of you in this thread that seem to still yap about the whiners. The point is that Steve admitted that Apple was wrong, simple vindication for the early adopters, i'll take the $100.00 credit thank you and be on my way.

oh... And while I am on my soap box, I am glad for those of you that like your Apple products, and continue to support Apple.

I do as well, in-fact I have my iPhone 8GB, and this brand new 15" MacBook Pro with glossy screen I'm using to type this. less than 7 days old, am I going to return it? no...
I like the products, I support the products for the company I work for. I have Apple certifications as well as Wintel at my own expense for training and education, big deal, I use work for a company in Cupertino in the mid to late 90's till the dot bomb days, that was in the original Apple buildings and my ol' CEO is best friends with Steve J. I used to see him almost every day and I use to have to setup his equipment for presentations and his phone on our campus. I can go on and on. Apple was one of our biggest customers, we were their ad agency of choice back then.

The point is nobody here should have the right to put me or the others down because we choose to voice an opinion. What you all are basically doing is saying we’ll bully those of you who choose to make a complaint no matter how stupid the comments or rants may be.

Yes some of the comments are silly, some are downright stupid including some of my own rants, but if one can’t make fun of yourself then who eh?

Yeah Chris is doing a great job at keeping out the clowns that use their defense posts 99% of the time to insult the person. No worries there.

[Mactech]

Bring the list, bring the list, I tried to be number one, I just wanted to see if I could make it... (sarcasm)


I use to like reading your previous postings in other threads,
However, this one is not one of them...


It's time for Chris the admin to shut these down.






Ok, I'm going to keep a list of the "silliest comments made" during this fiasco. We'll have to vote on them once the hoopla dies down and have a chuckle.

[ahaxton]

Bring the list, bring the list, I tried to be number one, I just wanted to see if I could make it... (sarcasm)


I use to like reading your previous postings in other threads,
However, this one is not one of them...


It's time for Chris the admin to shut these down.

Your probably right, at first glance I thought it'd be funny too. You made me re-think that. It'd probably turn into a messy bashing.

[Mactech]

It was kind of funny at first, I can almost hear the defence arguments from some of the posters as I type this. I am not going to flame or bash anyone else, just I know that I have a right and not to be critisized for having a say on something, whethere it's lame, stupid or not.



Like I said, Chris should lock this down as well as some others.



Your probably right, at first glance I thought it'd be funny too. You made me re-think that. It'd probably turn into a messy bashing.

[The Toddfather]

You guys prove the point of this thread, your incessant complaining leads me to believe you whine because you are inherently unhappy people. I truly pity you and hope you find happiness someday.

[Leed]

Why should I boycott a company that has increased my investments by more than 800% in 6 years? Why don't you go after Microsoft instead? How many people have died from stroking out after suffering from another software bug attack? How many more have been seriously sickened by lack of memory after upgrading to Vista, even losing their peripherals?
And then, there is the Zune disaster. So ugly that it won first place in the worst dressed category. A catastrophic adventure in bad taste.

Maybe but most probably expect that from Microsoft not Apple.

[Kabeyun]

I live in Denver. The clear air must be doing more than unclogging sinuses. I bet the crisp and pure, yet rarified oxygen, stimulates cortical function in those precious neurones of mature brains!*

* Based on an almost double-blinded, somewhat placebo-controlled trial of mine

Denver has some of the worst ozone and particulate air pollution in the country. As the EPA said, "head into the mountains."

http://denverozone.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/weather/10194954/detail.html

But heck, I loved Denver & nearby Boulder too. Not to mention annual pilgrimages to the Rocky Mountain powder. Just a little tease. :smile:

Now back to the topic. AND PEOPLE, THANKS FOR (mostly) BEING CIVIL.

-K

[tharmsen]

I am not going to flame or bash anyone else, just I know that I have a right and not to be critisized for having a say on something, whethere it's lame, stupid or not.
I have a right to voice my opinion when you tell me I don't really own an iPhone because I'm not bashing Apple like you are/were. You can call me I'm a liar but I can't respond by saying your claim is silly?

Stop calling me and every other iPhone owner who isn't bashing Apple liars (that's criticism by the way) and I won't claim your accusations are silly. Fair?

[iPaul]

I can't wait for the list.:laugh2:


Pretty sure you'd be on it yourself, dude. This thread itself is as silly as some of the extreme complaint statements. Search function shows you haven't contributed anything much on these boards other than asking for help and putting people down.

Slow your roll.

[Mactech]

Unhappy?

Nah... What I am unhappy with is the fact that some people on here are being bullied. Constructive criticism and conversation went out the window along time ago. I just keep seeing you guys complain about the whiners, frankly I’m done with this subject.

See... I got my iPhone for free, I got paid $300.00 to wait in line to purchase some person an iPhone.

This person that paid me could stay to purchase the phone, he gave me enough cash to buy two iPhones. So basically, 900 bucks, plus I took the day off and got paid for that. Now I get a hundred dollar credit. What’s to be unhappy about? I got a great paying job, live in the S.F Bay area in one of the best and most expensive places in the country, with the best all around weather next to Hawaii.

No my friend it is you who are unhappy... I wish you the best of luck and to the others as well.



:laugh2:



You guys prove the point of this thread, your incessant complaining leads me to believe you whine because you are inherently unhappy people. I truly pity you and hope you find happiness someday.

[hax]

Pretty sure you'd be on it yourself, dude. This thread itself is as silly as some of the extreme complaint statements. Search function shows you haven't contributed anything much on these boards other than asking for help and putting people down.

Slow your roll.

hahahahahaha

[Mactech]

Tharmsen, in a previous post you quoted...

"Oh please. The "Apple screwed me" people are giving us a bad name. You'll notice the Apple "brethren" are sticking by Apple because we know their recent moves were made to strengthen Apples market share and that their actions were precedented. In other words, Apple didn't do anything unique today, certainly nothing every other electronics manufacturer hasn't done countless times before.

If you want to harp on someone for breaking the "Apple code", harp on those people that constantly deride the iPhone and Apple in general."


Well some of this is not the case, I am not giving anyone a bad name, I consider myself Apple brethren, and I have enough Apple products of my own and at the company I work at to prove it. I also support them and get paid well to do so...


You also said “In other words, Apple didn't do anything unique today, certainly nothing every other electronics manufacturer hasn't done countless times before."

Well again that is not the case because Steve and company came out and said they were wrong and that "we made a mistake". Now Apple is correcting the problem an excellent effort, I applaud them and have rekindled my faith in them.

As far as my attacks, perhaps in my haste I may have got caught up in the bashing, but I was defending others and myself from Toddfather and others out there including yourself that were bashing me and the others instead of having a civil and constructive conversation.


Like I posted before, I have enjoyed your previous posts on other subjects. Just not this one. I’m done with this issue, I’m going to sit back and watch this thread when I have time to do so, way to busy at work to keep going now. Good luck to all…





I have a right to voice my opinion when you tell me I don't really own an iPhone because I'm not bashing Apple like you are/were. You can call me I'm a liar but I can't respond by saying your claim is silly?

Stop calling me and every other iPhone owner who isn't bashing Apple liars (that's criticism by the way) and I won't claim your accusations are silly. Fair?

[Sleeper]

Why would a consumer particularly care about a company's market share? The idea is to buy the best product available at the best price available. That's it, nothing more. Brand loyalty is an outdated and, frankly, rather stupid concept.

[hax]

Why would a consumer particularly care about a company's market share? The idea is to buy the best product available at the best price available. That's it, nothing more. Brand loyalty is an outdated and, frankly, rather stupid concept.

ding ding ding! Though apple loves it! They can just screw you over and over.

[geordisjd]

Bring the list, bring the list, I tried to be number one, I just wanted to see if I could make it... (sarcasm)


I use to like reading your previous postings in other threads,
However, this one is not one of them...


It's time for Chris the admin to shut these down.

I agree. It's time to shut down those threads that are just iPhone-bashing, Apple-bashing and Steve Jobs-bashing.
Why don't they open their own web sites and insult whoever they want?

I luv my iPhone, at any price.

[tharmsen]

As far as my attacks, perhaps in my haste I may have got caught up in the bashing, but I was defending others and myself from Toddfather and others out there including yourself that were bashing me and the others instead of having a civil and constructive conversation.

I challenge you to show where I've "bashed" anyone. Disagreeing with someone doesn't constitute bashing, otherwise we might calls these discussion boards "bashing boards".

Pronunciation: 'bash
Function: verb
Etymology: origin unknown
transitive verb
1 : to strike violently : HIT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/hit); also : to injure or damage by striking : SMASH (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/smash) -- often used with in
2 : to attack physically or verbally <media bashing> <celebrity bashing>
intransitive verb : CRASH (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/crash)
- bash·er noun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashing_%28pejorative%29

Now, if I were bashing people I would likely get banned. To bash someone you need to insult them by calling names, making libelous comments about their character, insulting their mother, etc. I've done none of this, so you running around trying to label me as a "basher" because I dare to disagree with you is also silly.

[tharmsen]

Why would a consumer particularly care about a company's market share? The idea is to buy the best product available at the best price available. That's it, nothing more. Brand loyalty is an outdated and, frankly, rather stupid concept.
Simple actually, if you're an Apple supporter you want to see them prosper and bring new and exciting products to market.

Brand loyalty isn't "stupid" by any means. I work in advertising and I can assure you, the vast majority of advertisers don't think so either. You earn loyalty buy being innovative, responsive to needs and requests, customer centric, etc. I find it odd that you don't understand this rather simple yet quite common and necessary (in a capitalist society) phenomenon or believe it's antiquated. Pretty funny actually.

[boycottapple]

Stick to fighting the opinions, not people.

Sure you want a company to prosper if you like their products. And you don't when they screw you over and over in one day.

[geordisjd]

Boycottapple, what the heck did Apple do to you that you chose such a name?
I posted this somewhere else. i want you to know that you're not alone in the Universe.

http://homepage.mac.com/jacdem/.Pictures/Other/Picture%202.jpg

[Silverado]

Hear! Hear! Nicely put!

"Waaaaaah, Apple presented me with a prodcuct and I bought it. Now I want some of my money back. Waaaaaah!"

Cry us a river.

I heard GMC just lowered the prices on their trucks. If you bought one recently, Rick Wagoner owes you some money back. Waaaaaah.

It's amazing that you, the OP and some others still don't get it (or pretend not to). It's not the price drop. It's the size of the drop and the length of time. They are unprecedented. I hope this serves to clear it up.

[tharmsen]

It's amazing that you, the OP and some others still don't get it (or pretend not to). It's not the price drop. It's the size of the drop and the length of time. They are unprecedented. I hope this serves to clear it up.
We've already shown that neither the percentage of the drop (33%) is unprecedented nor is the time line. Go back and read the posts about the Moto Q and RAZR. My Q dropped 50% in a couple of months ($400 to $199).

[The Toddfather]

Pretty sure you'd be on it yourself, dude. This thread itself is as silly as some of the extreme complaint statements. Search function shows you haven't contributed anything much on these boards other than asking for help and putting people down.

Slow your roll.

Then don't read my posts. Slow your roll?

[The Toddfather]

Stick to fighting the opinions, not people.

Sure you want a company to prosper if you like their products. And you don't when they screw you over and over in one day.
Dude, you've been banned twice TODAY from this site, get a life already.

[Silverado]

We've already shown that neither the percentage of the drop (33%) is unprecedented nor is the time line. Go back and read the posts about the Moto Q and RAZR. My Q dropped 50% in a couple of months ($400 to $199).
So the Q went down by 50% in two months from launch or from when you bought it? There is a big difference. If it was from launch, you should have had the right to be unhappy and view Motorola as having predatory practices.

[connie]

The thing is that because of their history with ipods, they have never brought the price down so quick, usually they stick to the price for awhile, they where never really on sale anywhere and when the price did drop it was like $50. Yes I know this is different, it's a cell phone but I think people were looking at how Apple had done things in the past. It just kind of took everyone by surprise. No matter what side your on or whatever, you know YOU were surprised too! I don't care who says they weren't. The only ones who weren't surprised where Steve and his people. This is just MHO so please don't be mean and nasty because we all have a right to one.

[The Toddfather]

We've already shown that neither the percentage of the drop (33%) is unprecedented nor is the time line. Go back and read the posts about the Moto Q and RAZR. My Q dropped 50% in a couple of months ($400 to $199).

The same thing happened to me after I bought my Q. My reaction was, damn! I held no ill feelings for Verizon & Motorola, or Best Buy & Sony where my TV dropped $400 after two months, or Office Depot & Toshiba last year when they rolled out the same computer with a faster processor and bigger hard drive for the same price several weeks after I purchased my last PC. I've since graduated to a Mac.

This is the price I am willing to pay to have items as soon as they're introduced. Verizon, Motorola, Best Buy, Sony, Office Depot, Toshiba, Apple etc. did not force me to buy these products, nor did they guarantee me a set price for a certain time. I was happy with these products when I bought them, much like I am happy with the iPhone I bought on day 1.

I consider myself lucky to get a store credit from Apple so now I can buy the Airport Extreme, knowing FULL well that a couple of month from now, something better will be introduced at a cheaper price.

[The Toddfather]

The thing is that because of their history with ipods, they have never brought the price down so quick...
Apple owns the market when it comes to portable music devices, yet they continue to improve and upgrade their iPods so they can stay on top. They've never needed a drastic price decrease to stay competitive in the portable music segment. But before the introduction of the iPhone, they've never been in this competitive segment before. They are but a miniscule fish in a sea of cellular and they must be able to adjust quickly if they want to succeed.

They have no history of cutting prices this quickly and by this much because they've never been in this market before.

[Silverado]

The same thing happened to me after I bought my Q. My reaction was, damn! I held no ill feelings for Verizon & Motorola, or Best Buy & Sony where my TV dropped $400 after two months, or Office Depot & Toshiba last year when they rolled out the same computer with a faster processor and bigger hard drive for the same price several weeks after I purchased my last PC. I've since graduated to a Mac.


It's not the length of time from when you buy the item, it's the length of time from launch. Of course someone will always buy an item a week from a price drop, that is not the point we're talking about. It's the size of the drop from launch that I find unprecedented. This is not the first $600 phone I buy at launch. I buy my Treo's unlocked and they are as expensive or more than the iPhone at launch. They NEVER fell down to $400 in two months.

Also, companies usually launch products to fill market need. Now we learn that this is not the case for Apple. They apparently thought all along that the 4GB iPhone is pretty much worthless out there as is evident by the fact that it is no longer available. Why did they launch it then? It was simply and precisely there to catch those early adopters who could not stomach buying a $600 phone and could get themselves to pay $500 for something that the company knows serves no real need out there.

Tell me this is not predatory. It is perfectly legal, but I didn't expect it from a supposedly respected company. Hence, I have lost respect for them and will not be sending them any more money.

[The Toddfather]

It's not the length of time from when you buy the item, it's the length of time from launch. Of course someone will always buy an item a week from a price drop, that is not the point we're talking about. It's the size of the drop from launch that I find unprecedented. This is not the first $600 phone I buy at launch. I buy my Treo's unlocked and they are as expensive or more than the iPhone at launch. They NEVER fell down to $400 in two months.

Also, companies usually launch products to fill market need. Now we learn that this is not the case for Apple. They apparently thought all along that the 4GB iPhone is pretty much worthless out there as is evident by the fact that it is no longer available. Why did they launch it then? It was simply and precisely there to catch those early adopters who could not stomach buying a $600 phone and could get themselves to pay $500 for something that the company knows serves no real need out there.

Tell me this is not predatory. It is perfectly legal, but I didn't expect it from a supposedly respected company. Hence, I have lost respect for them and will not be sending them any more money.
I understand your ire, my point is simply what I stated above. This is their first time in this segment and they need to adjust quickly if they want to survive. They're going to make mistakes, but I'm not going to stop buying stellar products from a company with a stellar track record because they're doing what they need to be competitive.

[tharmsen]

It's not the length of time from when you buy the item, it's the length of time from launch. Of course someone will always buy an item a week from a price drop, that is not the point we're talking about.
No kidding. Let me give you a small clue -- I'm an early adopter. I never wait 4 months to buy a new gadget, I must have it on or near the release date.

You do the math.

What Apple did was not "unprecedented".

[dimensiondvdrob]

They apparently thought all along that the 4GB iPhone is pretty much worthless out there as is evident by the fact that it is no longer available. Why did they launch it then? It was simply and precisely there to catch those early adopters who could not stomach buying a $600 phone and could get themselves to pay $500 for something that the company knows serves no real need out there.

Tell me this is not predatory. It is perfectly legal, but I didn't expect it from a supposedly respected company. Hence, I have lost respect for them and will not be sending them any more money.

I don't believe they released the 4GB model out of a predatory state-of-mind. I believe they did not know which model would be more successful, hence they chose to launch with 2 models to give people an option of how much memory they wanted and how much money they wanted to spend. Since launch, the 4GB model has shown to be the less attractive model (i dont know why anyone would not want to spend the extra $100 for double the memory capacity anyway) so they dumped it to be able to better compete without having to produce a 4GB model that will only take funding away from the 8GB model and not bring in any significant revenue. Now, Apple has a great iPod/iPhone lineup that can compete in the marketplace.

Hey, when I bought my 60-Inch Samsung LCD DLP TV, I knew and also checked to see myself that a newer model less than one month later has been released with newer specs for the same price. I did not ever think that Samsung was out to get the consumer, since this ALWAYS happens with technology, especially more commodicized tech products, such as cell phones, computers, TVs, etc.